Macs Are Virus Targets, Some Experts Warn

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{"commentId":112185,"authorDomain":"goat77"}

"Norton: Macintosh Edition" will probably be out within a year.

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Reply#1 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:54 PM EDT
{"commentId":112194,"authorDomain":"ngng"}
"Norton: Macintosh Edition" will probably be out within a year.

Norton on OSX already exists

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#1.1 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:03 PM EDT
{"commentId":112210,"authorDomain":"thabergman"}

and is worse for the health of an Apple computer than any virus could hope to be.

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#1.2 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:25 PM EDT
{"commentId":112458,"authorDomain":"wtbard"}

Norton Internet Security stopped working a rev or two ago. Haven't seen an update yet, but I've also stopped using it now.

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    #1.3 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:16 PM EDT
    {"commentId":112629,"authorDomain":"ISPY"}

    Didn't we all dump Norton ( if we were using it ) in 2004 because of that mail scam ? Remember the Symantec Mail server got haxed and all those fake emails telling people to delete certain files. That was a funny one . The first Mac attack a fony virus from symantec. Any one who followed the instructions in the email broke their OS :)

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      #1.4 - Mon May 1, 2006 4:36 AM EDT
      {"commentId":114288,"authorDomain":"danbedford"}

      Don't get Norton.

      Get ClamXav. It's free and works well. After this threat came out a few weeks ago, I notified my clients at the media production company I work for. It's all Mac based. Some people are a bit paranoid about viruses and spyware around here since some are Windows users at home. So, I needed to find a solution to protect us in that just in case scenario.

      So I found the open source Calm virus scanner and luckily there is a Mac OS X version.

      I've been using it at my iMac at work to see how it works and if it causes any problems, and so far it's worked flawlessly.

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        #1.5 - Tue May 2, 2006 4:49 PM EDT
        {"commentId":114780,"authorDomain":"abhibeckert"}

        Or just do what all most power users do: backup regularly.

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          #1.6 - Wed May 3, 2006 1:44 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":112190,"authorDomain":"giromide"}

          No user should assume their system is safe, regardless of their OS. Use a firewall. Protect what you can. Be weary of what you link to on the Internet.

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          • 11 votes
          Reply#2 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:58 PM EDT
          {"commentId":112832,"authorDomain":"braytek"}

          You sir, are brilliant. My exact words. This should be put on every user's face when they boot their computer.

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            #2.1 - Mon May 1, 2006 11:19 AM EDT
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            {"commentId":112193,"authorDomain":"nixfu"}

            Boy would it SUCK or what to be an "independent security consultant" or a "virus software company" if EVERYONE used MACS?

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            • 4 votes
            Reply#3 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:02 PM EDT
            {"commentId":112197,"authorDomain":"jason-newton"}

            God! This Mac virus news is so old now. These are 'Proof of Concept' threats.

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            • 6 votes
            Reply#4 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:07 PM EDT
            {"commentId":112260,"authorDomain":"pauls"}

            Agreed. This was an old threat that was only for users clicking around hap-hazardly in Safari. It's like careless windows users that pick up spyware.

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            • 4 votes
            #4.1 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:35 PM EDT
            {"commentId":116915,"authorDomain":"goat77"}

            It's careless users PERIOD that pick up spyware.

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            #4.2 - Thu May 4, 2006 10:16 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":112265,"authorDomain":"tswartz"}

            Does anyone else find it funny that every "virus" that comes out for OSX is suddenly OSX's "first virus" -- and every time the "virus" is an overplayed and weak attempt to do nothing to your system?

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            Reply#5 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:49 PM EDT
            {"commentId":112631,"authorDomain":"ISPY"}

            So far the only one I know of is that stupid worm that went through I chat. What a lame worm that was. First it had to trick the user into manually installing it and then it only spread via direct contact and did noting it just sat there looking like the crippled thing it was, I only knew a handful of people who got it and half of them deliberately loaded it just to see if it did anything.

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              #5.1 - Mon May 1, 2006 4:51 AM EDT
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              {"commentId":112273,"authorDomain":"ISPY"}

              This is what we Mac users call Windnoise I laugh and still don't use any security. My OSX has a properly written core :)

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              Reply#6 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:01 PM EDT
              {"commentId":112580,"authorDomain":"prez"}

              Don't let it go to your head, I've used Windows XP on a college campus network (a dangerous place!!) for nearly two years with only a router to keep me safe and I had zero trouble. It doesn't take an overpriced piece of fruit to be safe on the Internet.

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              #6.1 - Mon May 1, 2006 1:34 AM EDT
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              {"commentId":112302,"authorDomain":"ibnabouna"}

              I doubt any Mac user who has worked with OS X for more than two days would fall for a virus presenting itself as an operating system update. Apple has thankfully developed a consistent, official way of delivering software updates via System Preferences. Most users never have to double-click any file to update OS X; it's all done automatically directly through Apple's servers.

              In Windows, however, one has to go to a Microsoft web site, which itself needs to install an ActiveX script. For most users, there is no way to know whether the ActiveX script or even the web site are legitimate.

              This is not to say Mac OS X users will never see viruses or trojans; I'm sure the day will come eventually. However, I believe OS X is far superior to Windows in how crucial updates, etc. are delivered to the end user so as to minimize the potential for malware.

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              • 10 votes
              Reply#7 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:29 PM EDT
              {"commentId":112623,"authorDomain":"aine"}

              I don't have to go to Microsoft's website for updates to install. It can be set to do so automatically.

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              #7.1 - Mon May 1, 2006 4:05 AM EDT
              {"commentId":112638,"authorDomain":"brgiant"}

              Ahh but you had to download a service pack, from Microsoft's website which installed an Active X script, to get such functionality. Mac OSX comes with System Updated out of the box.

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              #7.2 - Mon May 1, 2006 5:11 AM EDT
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              {"commentId":112342,"authorDomain":"d2kagw"}

              I have to agree with a large majorty of the posts above... All the viri have been proof pf concept, and haven't actually been able to do anything. The "first" Torjan requires a silly user initiated attach - where the user has to open a foreign file AND enter their administrator username and password... just between you an me... if I had a tif file that asked for my administrator password, i'd know something was up...

              with OSX security, it all comes down to education, if a user [ take my mum for example ] decides to download or visit some nasty sites on the web, i've made if very clear to her NOT to give out details like your administrator password etc, its like they always say, if you go looking for trouble, you'll get it !

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              Reply#8 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:39 PM EDT
              {"commentId":112351,"authorDomain":"paper"}

              As a matter of fact, there's a $20.000 award for the first spreading virus under OS X. The "virus" available today requiers the user to give it permission. That is, enter the root password when prompted.

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              Reply#9 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:58 PM EDT
              {"commentId":112459,"authorDomain":"wtbard"}

              Current Windows NP users logged in as Admin (which most are) will spread viruses like wildfire. I understand Vista will be similar to OS X by asking permission even when logged in under Admin, but may go overboard by asking several times for each task.

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                #9.1 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:19 PM EDT
                {"commentId":112604,"authorDomain":"rodo"}
                I understand Vista will be similar to OS X by asking permission even when logged in under Admin, but may go overboard by asking several times for each task.

                That wouldn't be surprising - when was the last time Microsoft was efficient at doing anything?

                And as for this article, it sounds to me like poor Benjamin Daines is an extremely clueless computer user. Clicking on random links and allowing them access to your computer... um... that's just insane.

                Unfortunately, there are many many individuals out there who are not educated enough on this issue (having worked for years in IT support, as a part of my job description or not, I have seen this on an almost daily basis). It is never, ever a good idea to assume your OS is 100% safe... I guess some people will learn the hard way (on their personal machines) or just end up causing more work for their IT department (on their work machines).

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                  #9.2 - Mon May 1, 2006 2:59 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":114793,"authorDomain":"towler"}

                  In addition, Dan Goodin is an extremely clueless computer security reporter, and his editors ought to replace him with someone who has spent enough time around the industry to write a decently accurate article. See John Gruber's response to the article.

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                  #9.3 - Wed May 3, 2006 2:17 AM EDT
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                  {"commentId":112509,"authorDomain":"rjhunter"}

                  Anybody else think it's funny the guy in the picture isn't even on a Mac?

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                  Reply#10 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:28 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":112628,"authorDomain":"lifeinjersey"}

                  I was wondering that myself, funnily enough!

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                    #10.1 - Mon May 1, 2006 4:34 AM EDT
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                    {"commentId":112576,"authorDomain":"creativevision"}

                    The problem isn't the computer but the user. Why would you click on links to unreleased software updates?? You deserve an attack if your that uninformed. But as of right now the Mac user base isn't full of your average internet/email user. Their people who use their Macs as tools, therefore know how to use their tool and not be used by it.

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                      Reply#11 - Mon May 1, 2006 1:21 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":112626,"authorDomain":"cantoni"}

                      OS X still has some unpatched security holes; the sooner they're fixed, the better. Hopefully, the attention being drawn to these vulnerabilities, both within the industry and through articles like this one, will give Apple some incentive to fix their (perhaps minor) security flaws.

                      Of course, what's amazing is that (according to the article) only two people have been infected on OS X. That's bad publicity?

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                        Reply#12 - Mon May 1, 2006 4:23 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":113318,"authorDomain":"abhibeckert"}

                        With or without attention, apple has a history of fixing security issues asap.

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                          #12.1 - Mon May 1, 2006 8:47 PM EDT
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                          {"commentId":112719,"authorDomain":"matt"}

                          Thank goodness for security consultants — always willing to go above and beyond what's necessary to let everyone know the importantance of, well, security consultants.

                          "Now that we've been made aware that some of you have switched to Macs, we've realized that Macs are now susceptible to viruses..."

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                          Reply#13 - Mon May 1, 2006 9:19 AM EDT
                          {"commentId":112752,"authorDomain":"masem"}

                          I can't remember what podcast I was listening to (TWiT or Security Now, or a similar one), but at least what we've come to know as viruses for computers have become sort of a 'grey hat' type goal for young hackers, to only show that they can write a piece of software that can get in between the OS and user without knowledge and do stuff, but as many above have pointed out, do absolutely nothing once that's there save for maybe flash the user's online name or some group, just to proof that it can be done. E.g. comparable to graffiti. Viruses are still hard to infect because they usually require the user to actually run some program in order to open the payload and do the damage, but now that Outlook's gone through it's trials, it takes a bit more work to actually infect yourself with a virus.

                          On the other hand, the more malicious software today is spyware and worms, where they can actually get key critical data back to some point for illegal monitoring and other activities, definitely 'black hat' type approaches; these are the ones that are likely to be backed by groups with questionable motives and likely will use that data for monetary purposes. Nearly all of these are built off the insecurities of IE on Windows, and I've yet to hear of a Linux or MaxOSX attack, though I'm sure there are black hats that are working on that as well. Yes, such hacks can ride in the payload of a virus, but it's much easier to simply take advantage of uninformed users and have them install the software for you from an environment that would encourage them to do so - through the web. Eventually, I'm sure we'll hear of an OSX spyware problem but likely will have required you to be logged in as root/admin in order to actually do any damage.

                          It still comes down to basic precautions you should use - inbound and outbound firewall protection, anti-virus software, and just knowing how your computer generally operates day to day as to be able to spot irregularities.

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                            Reply#14 - Mon May 1, 2006 9:49 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":112813,"authorDomain":"allgood2"}

                            Actually my favorite statement was:

                            He and at least one other person who clicked on the links were infected by what security experts call the first-ever virus for Mac OS X, the operating system that has shipped with every Mac sold since 2001 and has survived virtually unscathed from the onslaught of malware unleashed on the Internet in recent years.

                            Wow! Two whole people, I see the virus is spreading far and wide. That had me laughing.

                            I'm a lifelong Mac user, who also works does technical support work, which means I fix Windows problems continuously. While, I would never call the Mac OS immune to viruses, it is relatively virus free. I do encourage Mac users to have anti-virus software. There are a number of benefits: (1) it's been years and those pesky Microsoft Office worms are still alive and kicking, and while they may not screw up a Mac, they can be pretty lethal to Windows users, that you may share files with; (2) automatic pruning of your attachments folder, set your virus scanner to delete virus related files so you don't have to do so manually; and (3) warnings for when you visit websites that are doing things that they shouldn't, like downloading files are trying to access data. They scripts might not work properly on a Mac, but do you really want to continue to visit a site that's trying to compromise your computer??

                            Those are just my top three reasons for recommending Mac users have anti-virus software; and yes for the record, I also recommend they have Little Snitch installed as well. Because I hate applications that call home or elsewhere without reason or notification. Obviously, the best protection is knowledge. But even the best of us can fall behind in that, so if using a Mac takes you 50-75% of the way to carefree computing, why not add a few other components to increase it to 80-95%.

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                              Reply#15 - Mon May 1, 2006 11:01 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":112839,"authorDomain":"ISPY"}

                              I disagree with using an anti virus on the Mac unless you are sharing files to a windows box. There is just no need. Little snitch is a good idea though I will check it out more thoroughly I have it installed but it has only chewed RAM it has not been needed however i still keep it.

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                                #15.1 - Mon May 1, 2006 11:28 AM EDT
                                {"commentId":113007,"authorDomain":"allgood2"}

                                I think I specifically mention, sharing files with a Windows user. But I'd have to state strongly, that you should have an antivirus application if you share files at all, since you rarely have any control over what machine a person will check their email and pull down any associated attachments. While Mac OS X and Eudora are my backbone, for email, I can honestly say that I've used web mail from a number of different machines and a range of OSs, and I will pull down the attachment, if I believe its needed, regardless if the machine is mine.

                                But file sharing is no longer the primary way virus for sharing virus (though it's probably still the most effective), but a lot of the new viruses are found in web-based scripts, and often hosted by unexpected individuals. In fact, a couple a months ago, I had to inform a colleague (also in the tech arena) that his website had been compromised with Troj/DownLdr-NO. He had a hosted website account, and a fairly popular blog, and for at least two or three days, everyone who visited his website was getting a little extra surprise.

                                Of course the little extra surprise, did nothing to my Mac OS X machine, but my Sophos install allowed me to immediately identify what had been downloaded (though not installed), delete it, and send him a report to clean up his site. He also used a Mac at home, and his web hosting site used Linux, but none of that mattered, because the delivery method was iframe with javascript, which almost any web browser in the world will read (though safe browsers will warn about the download or not execute the file after download).

                                But still, a little proof. Even if his site was extremely unpopular, over a 2-3 day period he could have spread the virus to 100+ people. But his site was popular, his stat logs for that period of time was over 4,000 hits. I told him he should public acknowledge that his site had been compromised and reader should scan their machines, but he wimped out. He didn't think it would look good for an IT Guy to admit to being exploited.

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                                #15.2 - Mon May 1, 2006 2:10 PM EDT
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                                {"commentId":112928,"authorDomain":"robknight"}

                                I just seeded the Yahoo! news version of this story. A sad display of recycled news. I hope the author gets lectured about this crap.

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                                  Reply#16 - Mon May 1, 2006 12:50 PM EDT
                                  {"commentId":113085,"authorDomain":"homunculus"}

                                  The unbelievably spooky picture is what really sells me on the threat!

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                                  Reply#17 - Mon May 1, 2006 3:22 PM EDT
                                  {"commentId":134474,"authorDomain":"jbstrick"}
                                  Daines was the victim of a computer virus.

                                  This was not a virus. It was a trojan. Completely different

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                                    Reply#18 - Wed May 24, 2006 2:35 PM EDT
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