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Number of U.S. Inmates Rises 2 Percent

Sun May 21, 2006 5:07 PM EDT
us-news, prison, population, prison-population
Elizabeth White, Associated Press Writer
A-P correspondent Tim Maguire reports the latest statistics show a growing prison inmate population in this country.

Inmate Amanda Espinoza stands in the Dakota Women's Correctional Rehabilitation Center in New England, N.D., on Wednesday, May 10, 2006. The 21-year-old Grand Forks native said she wants to raise her son and attend college once she completes her 3-year prison term for failing to comply with her probation on an auto theft conviction. Oklahoma, Mississippi and the Mountain states have set the pace in increasing the imprisonment of women, while several Northeastern states are curtailing the practice, according to a new report detailing sharp regional differences in the handling of female offenders. (AP Photo/James MacPherson)

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Sprydle

Land of the free?

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Sun May 21, 2006 7:04 PM EDT
wolfger

Home of the brave!

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Sun May 21, 2006 7:57 PM EDT
Drew Bryden

...the very definition of a republic is "an empire of laws, and not of men." ~John Adams

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Sun May 21, 2006 8:58 PM EDT
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HobgobblerDeleted
Hypnos

legalize drugs that will clear out those prisons. Boost the economy too.

  • 13 votes
Reply#3 - Sun May 21, 2006 7:48 PM EDT
voiceofreason

Well, except the ones who are in for murder, theft, and assault. Let's legalize those too.

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Sun May 21, 2006 7:56 PM EDT
Mimizhusband

Agreed.

    #3.2 - Sun May 21, 2006 8:04 PM EDT
    CactusJack

    I'm not too keen on legalizing all drugs, but you have to consider why some drugs are illegal. Ecstasy is illegal now, yet 20 to 30 years ago it was legal. Why is marihuana illegal?

    I know, I know, they are gateway drugs. They lead to people doing other drugs. Then why isn't alchol and cigarettes illegal?

    I also thought this was the land of the free, why have restrictions on people when it doesn't impact others? When was the last time you seen anyone on marihuana go on a killing spree? In fact, if marihuana was legal then it would be a boom for the fast food industry. (I do not do marihuana because I have asthma, but I do not see the big deal in it either)

    If a drug is addictive then by all means make it illegal.

      #3.3 - Mon May 22, 2006 11:12 AM EDT
      Mimizhusband

      Cactus, Your own statement about banning addictive substances is the source of the argument for legalization. Many currently legal substances or activities are quite addictive, so it seems that there is a restriction on some addictions (those thought to be more difficult to levy tax on) and an allowance of other addictive agents (those generally easier to tax.)

      • 1 vote
      #3.4 - Mon May 22, 2006 3:23 PM EDT
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      Aine MacDermot

      CJ : It would almost be worth it to go to prison to earn a degree, if the jobs were waiting when they got out. The cost of a college degree in dollars is way out of their reach. Who would voluntarily pay taxes to put inmates through college? Even in prisons where there are work programs, most don't earn anywhere near minimum wage to pay for such an education. And once you're an ex-con, who's going to hire you?

      • 8 votes
      Reply#4 - Sun May 21, 2006 7:51 PM EDT
      Transparent Opal

      The thing that stunned me on another featured article today was the fact that only 6.7% of the people interned in us prisons are women. That kind of a double standard is quite shocking.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#5 - Sun May 21, 2006 8:18 PM EDT
      Drew Bryden

      Yet we are bombarded with complaints that women (especially mothers) are being unnecessarily victimized by our criminal justice system. I wonder how many inmates are fathers?

      • 2 votes
      #5.1 - Sun May 21, 2006 9:03 PM EDT
      Transparent Opal

      Yes, DBS... men in our society are sincerely afflicted by this problem. I have worked with children in past years... and have seen the effect of abusive parenting. Children become much more inattentive, and bouncy and out of control when they are spanked. The same thing is true for men and how they're threatened like this by the heavy handed judicial system. Men become scared, and rebellious, because of this kind of abuse. "Get tough on crime" legislation is just terribly abusive. I read an article recently of a male highschool teacher who got a 200 year prison sentence for having 20 pictures of child pornography on his computer. This was upheld by the supreme court of arizona. And yet, recently there was a woman teacher - Debra LaFave - who pled guilty to sex with a minor, and charges were subsequently dropped. This is what happens in our society. This is one root issue which molds our society. Why can't people see this? Men are abused. A film about a scheming or violent man by some hollywood studio is not misogynous - it's misandrous.

      • 1 vote
      #5.2 - Tue May 23, 2006 1:40 PM EDT
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      Vulgrin

      The funny thing is, the people who do the worst things that affect the most amount of people's lives aren't the ones behind bars.

      I'm talking about abusers of corporate power and government officials of course... Any fool can kill someone else, or buy drugs from a cop. But contaminating an entire town, or through direct and indirect action cause several thousand civilians to be killed... that takes real talent.

      But the real question is... Do you feel safer now than you did 8 years ago?

      • 10 votes
      Reply#6 - Sun May 21, 2006 8:50 PM EDT
      Shibbolith

      I'm talking about abusers of corporate power and government officials of course...

      Not many Black folks in those positions.

      The racial makeup of inmates changed little in recent years, Beck said. In the 25-29 age group, an estimated 11.9 percent of black men were in prison or jails, compared with 3.9 percent of Hispanic males and 1.7 percent of white males.

      If 12% of all Black 35-29 year old males are in jail you have to start to think that is deliberate racial victimisation.

      In answer to your well put question. No, I don't.

      • 2 votes
      #6.1 - Sun May 21, 2006 9:40 PM EDT
      Hammer of God

      But the real question is... Do you feel safer now than you did 8 years ago?

      Not remotely.

      • 3 votes
      #6.2 - Sun May 21, 2006 11:28 PM EDT
      Vulgrin

      If 12% of all Black 35-29 year old males are in jail you have to start to think that is deliberate racial victimisation.

      I don't know about that. I'm thinking its more unintentional or indirect racial issues. As in, society not helping those who are poor well enough to give them the things they need to keep them from cycling through the prison system. So, they make up a higher percentage.

        #6.3 - Mon May 22, 2006 7:22 PM EDT
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        lll

        Sure, I was almost arrested for dating a white girl (I am Asian). The cop thew me on my own car's HOT hood, handcuffed me, and proceeded to talk to my (now ex) girlfriend, who was sitting in the passenger seat. He asked if she was being kidnapped and if she was in any danger. After repeatedly said no, the cop told her "ma'am, he is handcuffed, he can do no harm to you; you can tell me the truth". After another few confirmations, we were let go; without a single ticket (no traffic violation at all).

        I was pulled over for having a white female on my passenger side. I suffered a first degree burn from the hood.

        Almost became that 6.7%, it's that easy.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#7 - Sun May 21, 2006 10:50 PM EDT
        Zaki

        hahaha, you think you got it bad?

        You should totally come with me next time I go flying. It's a joy.

        • 2 votes
        #7.1 - Sun May 21, 2006 11:03 PM EDT
        Captain Nemo

        I've heard a lot about the racial profiling thing, but getting arrested for being Asian dating a white girl? Over here, in Europe, Asians are sometimes ridiculed but not too often harrassed like that. It's the Arabs people fear or loathe or hate.

        I do remember one incident where I was carrying a large and heavy bag on the street and was stopped by the police.

        "What you got in there?"

        "My clothes. I am going to the laundry. Wanna have a look in there?"

        "Um... no. Move on."

        He he...

        • 1 vote
        #7.2 - Mon May 22, 2006 2:21 PM EDT
        Vulgrin

        III: did you get the name, badge number of the cop who did it and report him? And possibly, let the local media know?

        When I was 18, I was "age" profiled by cops in a local small town. Everyone involved on both sides was white. We had just gotten food from a late night Burger King and, instead of eating while driving because that is unsafe, we stopped in a parking lot at a closed grocery store. (Don't ask me why we didn't eat AT burger king - I can't remember. Might have been just the drive through that was open that late.)

        As we were getting ready to pull out after eating our tasty refreshment, cop lights came on behind us. An older friend of mine who was driving had a concealed weapons permit and was carrying a pistol. He TOLD the cop that he had a pistol, which is what he was supposed to do and that he had a permit.

        The cops freaked out. They both drew guns, and one guy hollered into his radio for backup. Within 5 minutes there were two other city cop cars, the sheriff, and a state police trooper. (who looked at what was going on, shook his head, and drove away) They had us against the car, handcuffed, padded down, then separated so they could "check our stories". Over the next hour, all three of us were in the FRONT seats of different cop cars, sitting right next to LOADED WEAPONS that the brilliant cops had left in their cars. They eventually let us go, with no ticket, no warning, and really no explanation.

        I don't abide by harassment or abuse of power, but frankly, I think we DO have to have some racial profiling when it comes to homeland security. 75 year old six foot tall red haired Japanese women didn't blow up four planes. I'd rather that resources weren't going to "randomly" selecting them out of a security check line. If effort is going to be expended then I at least want it directed toward more likely suspects.

        That said, I think "random" checks are B.S. anyway and by and large, most of the security practices put in place after 9/11 were a waste of money and effort. (Except for strengthened cockpit doors.)

        • 1 vote
        #7.3 - Mon May 22, 2006 7:32 PM EDT
        Zaki

        75 year old six foot tall red haired Japanese women didn't blow up four planes. I'd rather that resources weren't going to "randomly" selecting them out of a security check line

        The SECOND you stop real random selection and solely search Middle Easterners, Terrorists will just laugh and get of their blue-eye buddies to bleach their hairs, or hell, wear a wig and let's say...some fake boobs.

        Either provide random selections for all, or don't do it whatsoever.

        This prejudice against Middle Easterners has got to stop. We're not all out to get you, Jesus Christ. My life is not going to be ruined because of 19 stupid @!$%#s.

        Do you see me looking at all white people at the airport as a potential sleeper cell / militia / skinhead nazi / KKK "terrorist"?

        Everybody living in Fear. Whatever happened to that terrorist-color-coding system?

        Whatever happened to freak out about a legitimate reason? When is the last time Americans were paranoid about their job? The Great Depression? Whoa!

        • 2 votes
        #7.4 - Mon May 22, 2006 9:44 PM EDT
        Aine MacDermot

        As an illustration to Zaki's point in 7.4, let me just say that at one time in my younger days, I had a Turkish man as my boyfriend, and he had red hair and blue eyes. All middle easterners do not fit the "appearance" profile.

        • 1 vote
        #7.5 - Mon May 22, 2006 9:50 PM EDT
        Captain Nemo

        Woa, Aine... That comment will go straight into the file they got on you :)

          #7.6 - Mon May 22, 2006 10:27 PM EDT
          Aine MacDermot

          Oh, I'm sure it's already in there, along with my fingerprints, how often I partied and with whom, etc. I don't question whether there's a file, I know there is... and I won't let it affect how I live my life.

          Fear is the enemy.

            #7.7 - Mon May 22, 2006 10:38 PM EDT
            Vulgrin

            This prejudice against Middle Easterners has got to stop.

            Sorry you feel that way Zaki, I really do. I don't think that what I'm talking about is prejudice, but you and others may feel differently. Take race out of it and look at it this way:

            You have been given the job to find poison M&M's in a candy store. There have been cases of death in 20 children so far, and, by all accounts and everything you've heard so far, the ones who died only ate the red ones. You have a limited amount of time and manpower to search the M&M's and test them for poison. (I didn't say the entire example made sense, but bear with me.) Do you:

            Spend time testing all of the colors of M&Ms? or
            Put the majority of your resources on the red M&Ms and do what you can on the other colors?

            Please, I don't mean to trivialize your race, or your travel difficulties with candy. But see it from this perspective. I don't bear any ill will or hatred of any middle-easterner personally and (and this is going to sound like I'm just BSing, but I'm not) but have worked with and still have friends of mine who live in Pakistan and Egypt whom I talk to on a fairly regular basis.

            Now. All that said, I did hear a news report recently that said that Al Qaeda was recruiting more heavily in southeast asia because those muslims didn't fit the "profile." So, yes, I agree the random checks are pointless, and we should focus our efforts more on metal, biological and radiological detectors, and in the instance of air travel, further security for the passengers and flight crew.

            • 1 vote
            #7.8 - Tue May 23, 2006 12:33 PM EDT
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            Rob Ballew

            How is this the governments fault, Is it the governments fault people don't raise their children right or other decide to kill, steal and do all sorts of "F'ed" up things. I was a correctional officer for years and the chances at high school and college degrees are always there as well all types of mental health services, such as AA, NA, and other types of support. Most offenders get to use such programs to help shorten their time in prison. It seem to me the government is doing a lot for people who don't give much back upon their release.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#8 - Mon May 22, 2006 11:35 AM EDT
            Captain Nemo

            Wow, these people are nearly enough to start a country of their own. I still haven't come up with a name, but I'm sure some people out there have suggestions.

              Reply#9 - Mon May 22, 2006 2:24 PM EDT
              Vulgrin

              New Australia?

              • 1 vote
              #9.1 - Mon May 22, 2006 7:32 PM EDT
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              KyleN

              I agree with a few commenter's posts about drugs. I don't think they should be illegal, it shouldn't be the role of government to protect us from ourselves. Enforce laws that punish actual deviant behavior or behavior that harms others such as DUI with much more vigor and drop most substance laws.

              It should also help separate further the responsible people from irresponsible ones. I think it's likely to result in greater economic class differences however I do not intrinsically see a problem in allowing irresponsible and/or stupid people to fail in life.

              Another aspect not talked about much is the line between people who are sick (mentally) and people who are bad (as in evil). I can't figure that out easily myself, seems some days that anybody who commits a heinous crime such as homicide must be mentally ill but other days I think there really are simply evil people.

                Reply#10 - Mon May 22, 2006 3:01 PM EDT
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