The Zidane Mystery: What Set Him Off?

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{"commentId":199137,"authorDomain":"bmvaughn"}

Even if Materazzi called Zidane a "dirty terrorist", a headbutt was not the proper response.

Zidane could have insulted Materazzi pretty easily by not headbutting him and actually staying in the game to score a goal.

France lost - it's on Zidane's shoulders.

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  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:58 PM EDT
{"commentId":199265,"authorDomain":"media"}

If it's on anyone's shoulders, it's Trezeguet. He was the one who missed the PK, and had a lackluster tournament to boot.

If Materazzi did say something like that, it's not an isolated incident in European soccer. There have been racist incidents in Italy and Spain fairly recently, and Nike has a "Stand Up, Speak Up" campaign in Europe featuring Thierry Henry and Cristiano Ronaldo to counter racism.

The Italian team has some ties to fascism. Gianluigi Buffon touched a nerve last year when he wore a t-shirt with a fascist slogan under his jersey, and picked the curiously high number 88, which was interpreted by Jews as a coded reference to a Hitler salute. Striker Paolo Di Canio, who didn't make the WC squad, has given the fascist salute after a Serie A match. That's not an excuse to attack them on the field, but it is reason not to dismiss the accusation out of hand.

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  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:28 PM EDT
{"commentId":199294,"authorDomain":"bmvaughn"}

I had no idea of the history of racism in European soccer.

I suspect that in American sports, no one seems to use the "n-word" because they know they'll get a heck of a lot more than a head-butt.

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  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:41 PM EDT
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{"commentId":199143,"authorDomain":"nandopereira"}

Do not mix what he was and what he did. It is a lifetime versus only one act, an ugly and violent act, but he was, he is a master of this art called soccer in France. The Pele of France. I take my hat to the brilliant (yet human) Zidane.

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  • 13 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:02 PM EDT
{"commentId":199775,"authorDomain":"jimdent"}
Zidane's red card was anything but unusual. He was sent off 14 times in his career at the club and international level.

Only one act?

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    #2.1 - Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:15 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":199145,"authorDomain":"tj"}

    That headbutt was something else... maybe we have a new Juggernaut for X-men IV.

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    • 8 votes
    Reply#3 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:03 PM EDT
    {"commentId":199149,"authorDomain":"Brad-Leclerc"}

    "I'm Zidane @!$%#!" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

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    • 4 votes
    #3.1 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:06 PM EDT
    {"commentId":199168,"authorDomain":"pundonor"}

    It is funny to see how these pro's don't use their hands for anything.

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    • 9 votes
    #3.2 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:22 PM EDT
    {"commentId":199730,"authorDomain":"ansab"}

    @Rukh

    No, "I'm Zidane @!$%#!" doesn't have a nice ring to it. But, "I'm the ZIZOU-NAUT, @!$%#! does sound pretty nice.

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    • 2 votes
    #3.3 - Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:09 AM EDT
    {"commentId":199736,"authorDomain":"ansab"}

    or, I'm the ZIDANAUT, @!$%#!

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      #3.4 - Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:12 AM EDT
      {"commentId":199770,"authorDomain":"mimizhusband"}

      If it is ok at some level to be like Zidane, than Germany has an entire history to rewrite since Hitler was a great motivator. Being great at some skill does not allow a person to skate on everything else.

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        #3.5 - Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:06 AM EDT
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        {"commentId":199146,"authorDomain":"ravikhalsa"}

        Something had to happen to provoke it: I hope we get to find out what.

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        • 1 vote
        Reply#4 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:04 PM EDT
        {"commentId":199170,"authorDomain":"maciek"}

        It certainly wasn't a hero's exit, an inexcuseable act for sure. But I still think Zidane is the best footballer in the world, and at least we now know he's human (vs. superhuman hero) after all. It's easy to criticise both players in this situation...I'm sure both are innocent and guilty at the same time. But we should leave this situation to Zidane, Materazzi, God, and of course, FIFA.

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          Reply#5 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:23 PM EDT
          {"commentId":199174,"authorDomain":"pundonor"}

          According to a panel of lipreaders on a Brazilian TV-show (Fantastico / Source (in dutch)) Materazzi twice insulted Zidane's sister. Insinuating she gets paid for certain services.

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          • 2 votes
          Reply#6 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:25 PM EDT
          {"commentId":199194,"authorDomain":"bmvaughn"}

          Acupuncture?

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          • 5 votes
          #6.1 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:44 PM EDT
          {"commentId":199202,"authorDomain":"tj"}

          lip-reading on Brazilian TV?

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          • 7 votes
          #6.2 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:48 PM EDT
          {"commentId":199273,"authorDomain":"media"}

          They can lipread an incident that happened on the field. HDTV rules!

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          • 5 votes
          #6.3 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:32 PM EDT
          {"commentId":204110,"authorDomain":"paddy"}

          The Fantástico crew have got into trouble with Parreira (Brazil's coach) for the lip-reading stunt before. They like it. Whether they're good at it or not, is another story :-)

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            #6.4 - Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:33 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":199284,"authorDomain":"leftist"}

            Jon Binet Ramsey had nothing to be here with this and in the inception.

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            • 1 vote
            Reply#7 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:37 PM EDT
            {"commentId":199472,"authorDomain":"zaki"}

            Zidane's agent said he will explain himself in a few days, so soon, we will know what Materazzi said.

            Materazzi would be wise not come to France if his club ends up having a game there.

            Think about it. You're captain of your team. You're playing overtime. Your arm feels broken from an earlier incident. You've been insulted the entire game, and there's 10 minutes left before penalties.

            What Materazzi said must have gone way over the line. Zidane can lose his cool, but he went from angel to devil in a split second. That wasn't a little slap or punch he gave...he ran into Materazzi's chest like a bull.

            He is still the greatest football player in the past 15 years.

            France vs Italy on September 6th 2006 (Euro 2008 Qualification Rounds) is going to be fun to watch...

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            • 1 vote
            Reply#8 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:28 PM EDT
            {"commentId":199488,"authorDomain":"rimuladas"}
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              Reply#9 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:48 PM EDT
              {"commentId":199490,"authorDomain":"luisf"}

              that headbutt was awesome.....World Class to be specific!

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                Reply#10 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:52 PM EDT
                {"commentId":199500,"authorDomain":"rimuladas"}

                fixing link

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                  Reply#11 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:00 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":199502,"authorDomain":"rimuladas"}

                  last try - man i wish we had edit

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                    Reply#12 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:00 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":199571,"authorDomain":"gnichols"}

                    Well, if history is any indicator, Materazzi isn't such an angel himself.

                    Still, it doesn't excuse Zidane for what he did. What a better way to put it in Materazzi's face than to score a goal or PK and win the World Cup?

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                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#13 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:11 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":199642,"authorDomain":"maaz"}

                    On Materazzi's video: the first time he did I thought it looked like a mistake, but the next clips show how many times he does it. He definitely shouldn't be visiting France any time soon.

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                    • 2 votes
                    #13.1 - Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:30 PM EDT
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                    {"commentId":199771,"authorDomain":"mimizhusband"}

                    Everyone here is shocked at bad behavior. Do none of you live in the world? Zidane is just human, but society expects that we not let the amygdala response have its way.

                    If I walk down the street and call out "Dirty terrorist" (for example) to someone and they then come punch me in the presence of a police officer, they are in trouble, not me.

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                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#14 - Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:10 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":199791,"authorDomain":"zaki"}

                    I must say the first time I was called that (terrorist), I really wanted to do something stupid. Thankfully I was wearing my work shirt and I was in front of my retail store, therefore I ignored the comments of these 4 little @!$%#ing high school kids, and went into work.

                    I must mention that if I was anywhere else on the planet, I would have done something very stupid, a la Zidane.

                    Black people don't want to be called the N-word, Middle Easterners do not want to be called the...I guess you could call it the T-word.

                    I really can't put it into words how irratating it is, to see so much ignorance is plain sight, and that so many millions simply don't give a @!$%# and refer to all muslims as crazy talibans because that's what they see on their little TVs.

                    I'm not gonna go too off-topic. France forgives Zidane, but Zidane will never forgive himself.

                    It's really too bad that people who know nothing of the sport and of the history of france football jump in this conversation, with outburts that Zidane is the worst person on the planet because of this incident. We don't condone that behavior, but it is what it is, another dangerous play on the field, another red card. There's been plenty of red cards during this world cup, there will be more during the next one. How would Americans feel if Michael Jordan, during his last game, made a stupid mistake where he hit a player and got sent off? Would you only remember that, or his many years of great game?

                    Zinedine Zidane is the inspiration of all the youth. Every kid in France wants to be him. His popularity everywhere on the planet. He is the best player in the sport in the past 15 years. His fans are from everywhere, from Marid in Spain where he played, to Italy with Juventus. He even made fans in Brasil when people could not deny his impressive skills during the 1998 world cup final, and the 2006 world cup quarter-finals (brasil 0 - 1 france).

                    I don't mean to be an evil frenchman, but I am getting sick to have to draw all these damn parrellels so that people would "get" what the @!$%# I'm talking about.

                    But let's not be too damn cocky, I like to explain @!$%# to people who want to understand, yet can't draw the relations. I don't know everything in life, but the few tiny things that I do know, if I can put it into words that you will understand, that you will be able to feel at the exact moment the feeling I am describing, then my job is done.

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                    • 10 votes
                    #14.1 - Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:41 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":199904,"authorDomain":"thendh"}
                    If I walk down the street and call out "Dirty terrorist" (for example) to someone and they then come punch me in the presence of a police officer, they are in trouble, not me.

                    Umm no, you would be in trouble for inciting racial hatred.

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                    • 2 votes
                    #14.2 - Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:04 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":200128,"authorDomain":"mimizhusband"}
                    Inciting racial hatred.

                    Ummm. Perhaps. But that is way down the list for a typical judge compared to clear physical violence.

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                      #14.3 - Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:04 AM EDT
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                      {"commentId":200079,"authorDomain":"200MilesUp"}

                      If someone cursed my mother or spewed obscenities about my mother, sister or wife, I'd smack them in the face too!

                      And by the way, Zidane is so classy that this has to be one of the best Head Butts of all time!

                      It didn't mar the final.

                      He still got the Golden Ball!

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                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#15 - Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:37 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":200365,"authorDomain":"figgz"}

                      Regardless of what Materazzi said to Zidane, being the hero for many World Cups and an icon to millions as a football hero, he should have been an advocate of sportsmanship and fair play.

                      Just because one person wants to sink to a low level does not mean you should as well. What irritates me is the fact that I think he thought he would get away with it. Even more is the that the french coach feels that it was a justifiable action and that Materazzi is at fault.

                      They both are at fault but I think Zidane deserves for this to over shadow his career because it is unacceptable behaviour. In my opinion Marco Materazzi is an excellent defender but he is not anywhere near the caliber of Zinedine Zidane and Zidane needed to be the bigger man out there and let it go.

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                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#16 - Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:04 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":200454,"authorDomain":"Gadof"}

                      I agree completely. Materazzi was at fault for saying what ever he did, but insults have been around for a long time, and if it was racial, France isn't one to talk, being that they are one of the most racist countries in the world. But all that aside, Zidane went way over the line. That kind of conduct is not acceptable from anyone, especially someone who is looked up to by everyone, and someone of his calibre.

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                      • 1 vote
                      #16.1 - Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:29 PM EDT
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                      {"commentId":204120,"authorDomain":"paddy"}

                      I've played a lot of soccer in my life, and I can tell you that in a game of any importance, most players will not be their normal self. And after an hour and half of provocation, not many can stand it. It is possible the italians really wanted Zidane out, I don't know.

                      It's a terrible pity what he did. I can never approve of it, but I can understand it.

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                        Reply#17 - Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:39 PM EDT
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