Democrat Calls for North Korea Talks

Indeed, I'm going to pretend he's still walking TO the podium. It would give me some shred of hope that not all is lost.

Anyone notice he can't color coordinate?

I don't think he dresses himself in the mornings, so it's hardly his fault.

Yes, it's true.. Now even matters in other countries are all Bushes fault..

I can't believe the ignorance at work here.

OK, that comment was meant for "firsty"'s post.. Yes the moon walk would be way cooler.

Now, what did I just say. Nuculer?

I just about feel out of my chair looking at the picture reading the moonwalk comment. Freakin hilarious. And it would be a whole lot cooler if he did.

As for talks, um, isnt that how they got the technology in the first place? We cant trust them to stick to their agreements, let China smack them down.

"Ok, I'm off to the bunker now. CYA SUCKAZ!"

"Please let the door open this time, please let the door open this time..."

ROFL

"Damnit, I left the water running..."

The Bush hate is in every Newsvine article already.. find some fresh material.

i NEVER SAID that this was bush's fault. i simply posted my thoughts about bush's opinion of the matter.

he gets whats coming to him. that is his fault.

The Bush hate is in every Newsvine article already.. find some fresh material.

hmmm. Not seeing you providing any "Bush Love" either....

The Bush hate is in every Newsvine article already.. find some fresh material.

Dude #1: Dude, why the @!$%# did you set the house on fire?

Dude #2:Dude, you just have to bash everything I say, don't you?

Dude #1: DUDE, YOU SET THE HOUSE ON FIRE, YOUR STUPIDITY HAS CONSEQUENCES

Dude #2: DUDE, QUIT HATING ON ME

Vulgrin, trust me, I have much respect for Bush. I would have plenty of negatives to talk about any President but Bush has been targeted so much that it is just entirely taking away from the reality of the world around us.

Say what you want about Bush, you will anyways, but we don't look like a weak country on his account. He makes decisions and sticks to them. Many of the current administrations choices had potentially better alternatives but when faced with choosing the path that is unpopular because he felt it was better for America, he made it! I don't have blind faith in our government but honestly I could be truly scared if all of the sudden we pulled our troops home or if Bush went out and said he was wrong about a single thing that he has been rock solid on. Even things I don't agree with.

People don't feel safe right now. But if you really look back at when you started to feel unsafe you will see that it was before Bush made any decisions to go to war. I feared the economy when the dot coms put the squeeze on. I feared flying, high rise buildings and bombings on bridges I go over in the Bay Area on 9-11. Neither of those events can be blamed on Bush any more then any other man on Earth. And honestly, the choices made and actions taken after those events didn't help our economy much if at all, but they made me feel safe and showed the world that we are not cowards. That makes me feel safer.

I don't want to live in a nation of victims! I would spit on any President that encouraged that kind of thinking by inaction or weak action. Call Bush a dumb redneck, call him whatever you want, but I'll be damned if you could ever call him an indecisive coward. A leader must always be decisive and strong.

Bush is our countries political Bill Gates. He is hate. He uses tactics that people don't like. But in the end he will ensure that we remain strong.

And if Korea leaks a bomb out to people who would find a way to detonate in our country then it will hurt us bad. But the real-estate market is supposidly going to do that anyways. So get ready for 5-10 years of pain brothers and sisters but stop looking at Bush.

Until then remember that we have sharks in the oceans with fricken laser beams attached to their heads! OH YEAH THATS RIGHT! FRICKEN LASER BEAMS!

Ok, maybe not. But we do have the greatest missile defense systems. Korea couldn't stop a single one of our missiles! And we do have lasers that can blow the @!$%# out of incoming missiles. We're like the Klingons Vs 1954 Cleveland Indians. They have baseball bats, we have photon torpedoes!

I don't want to live in a nation of victims! I would spit on any President that encouraged that kind of thinking by inaction or weak action. Call Bush a dumb redneck, call him whatever you want, but I'll be damned if you could ever call him an indecisive coward. A leader must always be decisive and strong.

no offense, but that is simplistic drivel at its best. it takes a strong person to admit when that he made a mistake. cowards fear change.

Bush is our countries political Bill Gates. He is hate. He uses tactics that people don't like. But in the end he will ensure that we remain strong.

first bush is compared to a business genius? he couldnt run a baseball team. then you say "he is hate"? well, thats reason enough for him not to be in office. at least we agree that "he is hate."

in the end, he is NOT ensuring america's strength. america is more hated now than it was on 9/12, and it is more at risk from foreign threats than ever in its modern history. most of our military is off fighting a mindless war, the nation went from, on 9/12, being united, to being extraordinarily polarized, and he is destroying the very freedoms he pretends to want to defend.

And if Korea leaks a bomb out to people who would find a way to detonate in our country then it will hurt us bad...But we do have the greatest missile defense systems. Korea couldn't stop a single one of our missiles!

there are plenty of countries who had the bomb years ago and have a better reason for "leaking" it to a terrorist. and the fact that we have the best missile defense system in the world means we really shouldnt care about n korea's having the bomb.

F.

Say what you want about Bush, you will anyways, but we don't look like a weak country on his account. He makes decisions and sticks to them.

So do crazy people that walk into a school and shoot up a bunch of kids. Doesn't mean that they can run the country. Frankly, sticking to a position while all of the evidence piles up against doesn't make you look brave, or mean you have good leadership skills. It just makes you look like you are out of touch, bull headed, and stupid.

People don't feel safe right now. But if you really look back at when you started to feel unsafe you will see that it was before Bush made any decisions to go to war. I feared the economy when the dot coms put the squeeze on. I feared flying, high rise buildings and bombings on bridges I go over in the Bay Area on 9-11.

...I don't want to live in a nation of victims!

You go on about how much you were afraid of everything, but then talk about how you don't want to be. I think that you need to figure out your own issues first - sounds like you have the victim mentality - not the rest of us.

but I'll be damned if you could ever call him an indecisive coward

Ah, well then lets look at his stellar Vietnam war record then! How many sorties exactly did he fly over 'Nam while he was in the theatre? Oh, right. He wasn't there. Real heroic.

And if Korea leaks a bomb out to people who would find a way to detonate in our country then it will hurt us bad.

Agreed. Too bad Bush and his "stick to his guns" attitude hasn't been able to do a single THING about this problem. Instead, he's playing "who's dick is bigger" with NK instead of actually just sitting down and talking. Oh, wait, right, that would be the coward's way out... @!$%# it then - bring on the nukes! We'll be short a couple west coast cities, but at least then no one can call Bush a "coward"! Hey, everyone in Seattle and Anchorage - can you maybe move inland for a while? Thanks.

But we do have the greatest missile defense systems.

Which one would that be? Star Wars? Please - go do some searching and come back with some references where, after billions of dollars of research, IT ACTUALLY FREAKING WORKED?

Our primary "defense" against a nuclear attack is in three little words: "Mutually Assured Destruction." That means that they might get us, but dammit, they are going to glow too. But at least its not the cowards way out!

Yes. Lets lay waste to another society instead of actually figuring out how to live in peace. As George Carlin once said: "You don't have to look too far to see the 'Bigger Dick Foreign Policy' at work..."

Great idea. I've always wanted an extra set of arms. This way my children and grandchildren can have that dream come true for them.

S'ok, Tigerblade. You won't be able to feel your arms anymore, because you will be a cloud of cosmic dust.

Maybe Critical is on the right path. If the world was destroyed, at least then we could all stop Newsvining.... or could we....?

"AP: World Destoryed - Liberals Fault"

#1 - "Its not the liberals' fault!!!! Damn you AP!!!! IMPEACH BUSH!"

#2 - Uh, why does the headline say "Destoryed"? Stupid AP.

(Headline Change: "AP: World Destroyed - Liberals respond")

#3 - Ok, so this is B.S. We already know this... Gawd!

#3.1 - Of course it matters - this is Bush's fault!!! He and Cheney are profiteering off of the cosmic dust collectors on the Halliburton space ship!"

#3.2 - The world isn't destroyed. Bush is God. He'll put us back together.

#3.3 - This is ALL CLINTON'S FAULT!!!!!!!!!111

(Headline Change: "AP: World Destroyed - Pudding still popular")

Talk Talk Talk. Look at what talk has done for us, especially after Carter and Albright's screw up. We built the nuclear reactors, we should take them out. Just bomb them into dust. No electricity, no nukes. Bye Bye

mrcg

You don't honestly think that the best course of action is to obliterate North Korea, do you? Please tell me you are speaking in hyperbole. Please.

Not obliterate. Kill the electric generating plants. Bomb them so they no longer work. Turn them to dust and rubble. We built them, they are ours. We can repossess them.

Electricity gone! no power for military or civilian purposes.

It doesn't matter what the target it, an act of aggression like that would spark some serious anti-American actions. As comforting as it would be to rid them of their nuclear capabilities, it's not a viable option, and I think you know that.

Talk talk talk ......... Don't give me that crap!

Talks are their signal to reload, retool, and arm up.

Who cares about anti-Americanism? Who cares what they "feel" about us?!?

If they fear us, they won't act against us. If they think that all we will do is talk, then they arm up.

Teddy Roosevelt would have never given them any stinking reactors. He would surely knock those reactors into rubble, as soon as he figured that they weren't our ally (much less enemy).

They no longer deserve our reactors that we gave them. Blow them up with tunnelling munitions.

mrcg - sounds like you should join up and go over there and fight them yourself... I wonder how quickly your opinions would change when you actually saw real combat, with real bullets and bodies.

Electricity gone! no power for military or civilian purposes.

Cripes! You are a monster. Shall we march the starving, orphaned children in little chain gangs too?

When the hell is half of this country going to wake the hell up and realize that the world doesn't work like they imagine it? Have some respect for other human life.

If they fear us, they won't act against us.

Sounds like something Hitler might have said.

Listen mrcg, they can arm up all they want but the entire world, including North Korea themselves, know that an unprovoked attack on ANY nation would be signing their own death warrant. They might have nukes but they don't have any real power to back them up. It's like an old man with a sledgehammer. Were he strong enough, he might be able to wield it and do some damag -- But he's not. So all this talk about a preemptive strike being necessary to take out their firepower, so they don't "reload, retool, and arm up" is ridiculous. They can't do much without China backing them anyway.

no, it is a toddler with a revolver. He will grow into it. You take it away!

You guys just don't get it.....

A more likely scenario would be North Korea selling their technology to a more radical country, with a lot less to lose. North Korea with nukes is a null threat. They can't do anything with them, plain and simple. Some other nations out there, it might be a different story. But there's nothing we can do about that right now, under the current circumstances. The fact that we are American doesn't give us the right to play the role of the world's police officer.

mrcg -

What on earth makes you think that we (the US) have the right to exact such an atrocity on another country?? Are you telling me that the actions of a country's government merit the reduction of an entire population to the early 1900's?? If that's the case, we here in the US are in some serious trouble, based on the incredibly awful things our government has been doing lately.

If in fact you truly believe the nonsense you are spouting and believe that military action is the only option - when are you enlisting? Or are you just another in the already long and continuously growing list of cowardly republicans that espouse military force, but eschew the idea of actually serving themselves.

First, it is not an atrocity to blow up a building. It is our building, we provided the biggest share of its value to exist.

Second, they threaten our allies and our military forces in the region.

Third, IT WAS THEIR CHOICE TO DO THIS THING, IT IS NOT OUR FAULT. It is not the policeman's fault, that the bank robber had a weapon and had to be dropped.

It is a toddler with a revolver. You don't sit around and discuss the matter. You take away the weapon!

... and then slap (or arrest?) whom ever left the gun case open .....

"First, it is not an atrocity to blow up a building."

So by your definition, 9/11 wasn't an atrocity? C'mon, that's the hand that beats your war drum! It's not an atrocity if it happens to someone else but if it happens here, boy howdy, we gots to start us a war.

@Raconteur -- 9/11 wasn't an atrocity because a couple of buildings were bombed. 9/11 was an atrocity because thousands of relatively innocent civilians were killed. I don't imagine mrcg is advocating blowing up a highrise or apartment building.

I believe that mrcg has advocated reducing North Korea's infrastructure to rubble. You can't tell me that even with the most well guided precision munition strike known to man that there still wouldn't be civilian casualties of an appreciable magnitude.

Regardless, the argument should come back to the question of who are we to make the call to decimate a country? Are we now judge, jury and executioner? I thought our country was founded on beliefs to the contrary??

Oh right, I forgot, we forfeit our rights at the slightest indication of danger. It's the new American way.

What do you do with people that continually break their promises? Every step of the way? Becoming stronger and more dangerous each step? Threatening our good friend Japan? Firing missiles over their land? Using our technology and infrastructure that we gave them to threaten a billion people in range? When have they stopped their aggression?

What do you do? Do you really want to hide in your shelter and just talk? Ask politely? Beg? Plead? Prostitute yourself? Enslave yourself? Where does it stop? "Promise you won't develop! Please don't build! Please don't test! Please don't assemble! Please don't fire! Please don't fire another"

This is not rhetorical. I want your answer.

This is not diplomacy! This is a recipe for battered spouse syndrome!!!

Military action should not be the automatic, knee jerk reaction to something or someone that the US does not agree with. There has to be a better way than to just drop bombs. Do I know what that better way is? No. But then, that's not my job. That's called diplomacy.

Now I know where you are going to go with that - that diplomacy is weak, and that Clinton used diplomacy, that diplomacy = appeasement. That's crap. Those are talking points and are completely meaningless. Diplomacy can have significantly more teeth than your impression of it holds, it's just that our current administration is awful at it.

That and they prefer war to peace.

The fact that a military offensive is the first thing you want when a situation such as this arises is frightening. The fact is, this IS diplomacy, and will remain so unless some outside factor causes a drastic change in the current situation between the US, North Korea and China. Do you honestly see the United States being "enslaved" by North Korea? Do you really fear them that much? Politics isn't like a video game, and North Korea knows they can't just go launching missiles without costly repurcussions. I'm just thankful that the people in charge of our nation's guns aren't as irrational as you, mrcg.

Arises? Just how long has this been arising?

We have been on the other side of this diplomatic table for 50 years. Where has it gotten anyone? Threats, diplomacy, cheating, forgiveness, threats, diplomacy, cheating, forgiveness, threats, diplomacy, cheating, forgiveness, threats, diplomacy, cheating, forgiveness.

This is battered spouse syndrome. You guys have no spine. You will take it, and take it, and take it again. Phooey!

Do the South Koreans feel safer? Not at all. They have felt that the North would invade at any time for many years. Now they could get a missile launched at them too.

Do the Japanese feel safer? No. They protested the first empty missile launch that went over their country years ago. Recently they did it again and now the test of the nuke. The Japanese want offensive nukes now. They are scared of a nuclear North Korea. What do you say to that? I am curious.

China is unhappy. They are now pushing diplomatic buttons that they didn't think they needed to push. Kim is dangerous.

The Russians are laughing up their shirt sleeves, because North Korea has rattled everyone with a population.

Here is the kicker: Are the North Koreans scared? LOL! They know that you will bend over and take it again and again.

If you have no spine for standing up to dictators, then you get what you deserve. (*)

When precisely has diplomacy EVER created a lasting peace, anywhere? The truces are always uneasy and broken.

Yet neither of you answer the question of when to recognize that diplomacy will not work. Diplomacy is not the magic wand that fixes everything. There will be times it will not work, and it does not work unless both sides are willing to engage in it. So far they have shown no interest in keeping to their agreements. How many times should you get burned before you take action?

Id like to borrow money from both of you. Every day, I'll borrow $100 from you and promise to pay it back the next day. However, each day I will ask to borrow more and not pay anything back. At what point will you stop paying me, demand your money back, and then take action to reclaim your money?

Do you understand the definition of insanity? Doing the same things and expecting a different outcome. Is war the correct answer. Not necessarily, but neither is diplomacy. Is there a third option? Not that Im aware of. However, lacking any other mechanism to force people to comply we are left with either the option of letting them get away with it or taking action.

Ok, you win mrcg. Your logic and compassion has provided the more compelling argument. Let's nuke North Korea!! That'll solve our problems! It's awesome that we have brilliant minds like you on the front lines, making the hard decisions so the rest of us can sleep well under your blanket of freedom.

In fact, lets just pre-emptively nuke everyone!! If NO ONE has electricity/nukes/infrastructure/an army we will finally be safe...right?

Right??

Cool.

Yes lets just nuke em all. Why have a real discussion and provide real answers when you can act exasperated as if the opposition just cant listen to reason, even when nothing of reason is provided.

I understand your sentiment FL-I, but we have run out of talk on this one.

I would be open to a middle ground, but Kim would kill every citizen before he would give up on any of his own personal luxuries. This is the nature of the man. Know your advisary in discussions. This guy has been the consumate brinksman.

I really think that removing the nuclear power plants that provide laboratories and breeding ground for more nukes is a measured action. It will place the crisis back in the lap of the dictator, remove all of his toys, give us 20 years of less nuke problems on the penninsula.

Kim caused all of this. Let him figure out how to get electricity to his nuke program, military, or citizenry.

Why not just EMP rather than a Nuke?

I meant EMP the area rather than missile strikes or any physically damaging.

This is the first suggestion of inflicting something on them. I am for it. Especially if it knocks out the electronics that service military objectives.

Their actions go unpunished for decades and they laugh at us all the way. Frustration demands some action. Take away some of their toys.

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Uhm. No.

and I had such a nice platform .... and lost my only constituent, too..... Shoot!

I dunno. He might make some KILLER tacos - what with all the mesquite he has laying around from all of his vacations...

All Bushes should be exiled to a desert island somewhere without any food or water. All of them.

What ever happened to tolerance? Tsk! Tsk! What ever happened to open mindedness and kindness to all living beings?

All Bushes should be exiled to a desert island somewhere without any food or water. All of them.

Isn't that what they did to Terry Schiavo?

Hey!! That's right! She felt euphoric the whole time, right CNN???

Libs call the Schaivo murder a humane act, and they call wearing panties on one's head "torture" .... go figure!

We are living in an upside down world.....