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AP: Whites on Top of Katrina Insurance

Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:30 AM EDT
us-news, insurance, associated-press, katrina, hurricane-katrina
Rukmini Callimachi, Associated Press
An Associated Press investigation reveals a wide gap between insurance payments to white and black victims of Hurricane Katrina. The A-P's Jon Belmont reports.
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<p>Doretha Kitchens, 58, walks out the front door of one of her homes in the Lower Ninth Ward section of New Orleans Wednesday, Aug. 30, 2006. Kitchens two homes both of which took nine feet of water, destroying everything. She received $19,000 on each house from two insurers, Allstate Corp. and the state-run insurance pool Louisiana Citizens Property Corp., but was unhappy with their settlement, explaining that they had to borrow money to begin their repairs. Although they eventually got $34,000 on each of their two houses, the final amount they received, said Kitchens, "wasn't enough to do nothing."  (AP Photo/LM Otero)</p>

Doretha Kitchens, 58, walks out the front door of one of her homes in the Lower Ninth Ward section of New Orleans Wednesday, Aug. 30, 2006. Kitchens two homes both of which took nine feet of water, destroying everything. She received $19,000 on each house from two insurers, Allstate Corp. and the state-run insurance pool Louisiana Citizens Property Corp., but was unhappy with their settlement, explaining that they had to borrow money to begin their repairs. Although they eventually got $34,000 on each of their two houses, the final amount they received, said Kitchens, "wasn't enough to do nothing." (AP Photo/LM Otero)

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chill

There may be a race issue here but this reporting is shoddy and incomplete.

Nearly 75 percent of the settled cases were filed by residents currently living in predominantly white neighborhoods. Just 25 percent were filed by households in majority-black zip codes, the analysis found.

Yikes, they track neighborhoods by color?. But what percent of the population lives in each neighborhood. Maybe (I have no idea) 75% of the neighborhoods are whitish.

The analysis also suggests income was a factor. The average resident who sought state help lives in a neighborhood with a median household income of $39,709, compared with the statewide median of $32,566 in the 2000 Census.

So? Obviously the rich are far more likely to have insurance than the poor (this is another issue).
These stats without perspective mean nothing.

AP analyzed 3,118 complaints filed by homeowners still living in Louisiana. The state's data did not identify whether the addresses on complaints were the same locations as the damaged homes. The state also refused to release any information on approximately 5,000 complaints still under review.

As I said, maybe there is a race issue here or maybe there is a news organization looking to inflame.

  • 9 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:59 AM EDT
gzirra

Though poor and minority neighborhoods suffered the brunt of Katrina's fury, residents living in white neighborhoods have been three times as likely as homeowners in black neighborhoods to seek state help in resolving insurance disputes, according to an Associated Press computer analysis.

This has been refuted many times - even by the Los Angeles Times, yet the race myth of Katrina is still out there.

Now comes an analysis of the hurricane's dead by the Louisiana Population Data Center at Louisiana State University, which led to a story by the Los Angeles Times with a subheading of "The well-to-do died along with the poor, an analysis of data shows. The findings counter common beliefs that disadvantaged blacks bore the brunt."

The study and the story revealed that hurricane victims were almost as likely to be recovered from middle-class neighborhoods as from the city's poorer districts.

Joachim Singelmann, director of the Center, said New Orleans was unique among American cities because, despite pockets of poverty in such places as the Lower 9th Ward, the city was remarkable for its integration of blacks and whites of different incomes living in close proximity.

Of the 528 bodies recovered from identifiable addresses in city neighborhoods, 230 came from areas that had household incomes above the citywide median of $27,133. Areas below the median in income accounted for 298 bodies. And while the New Orleans population was 28 percent white, 33 percent of the identified victims were white.

The affected population is more multiracial, multiethnic and multicultural than one might discern from national media reports, according to Richard Campanella, a Tulane University geographer, who has studied which parts of the city were hit worst by flooding. His research showed that predominantly white districts in the city were almost as likely to flood as predominantly black ones.
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  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:19 AM EDT
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It's 2006 and were still talking about race and color, WTF, who cares, what happened to were all Americans, When a disaster happen's were americans, but after it happens and stuff gets back to normal (somewhat, you know what I mean) and there's no other "new" news for the main corporate reporters to talk about, they bring up the race issue. It is soooo old, lets move on. Yet still lets not forget, we still have to help ALL of our fellow Americans. God bless America.

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:38 AM EDT
gzirra

Hear hear!

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:43 AM EDT
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chill

It's 2006 and were still talking about race and color, WTF,

God bless America.

Its 2006 and we're still talking about God?

  • 6 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:48 AM EDT
KevinR

Considering %84 percent of the world believes in a God I don't find that 'shocking'.

Please, leave the stand up to comedians.

  • 3 votes
#4.1 - Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:13 PM EDT
firsty

considering the level of racism in this country, i dont find it shocking that we're still talking about it.

    #4.2 - Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:28 PM EDT
    FL Independent

    Considering the level of education in the world, Im not suprised so many believe in god.

      #4.3 - Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:56 PM EDT
      JG.

      Considering the level of education in the world, Im not suprised so many believe in god.

      As if educated people don't believe in God?

      • 1 vote
      #4.4 - Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:19 AM EDT
      FL Independent

      It does make me wonder sometimes, consider there is absolutely zero evidence in any area of reality of anything of even the slightest supernatural origin. So it makes one wonder why people would believe the whole god whopper.

        #4.5 - Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:40 PM EDT
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        bmvaughn

        The discrepancy of rich vs poor areas getting more likely has more to do with education level (and knowing about the ability to appeal) than it does race.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#5 - Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:13 PM EDT
        KevinR

        Then the left will argue that the difference in education is dependent on race itself.

        • 1 vote
        #5.1 - Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:15 PM EDT
        firsty

        Then the left will argue that the difference in education is dependent on race itself.

        as someone on the left, i will say that the level of education is only partly dependent on race. race also contributes to socio-economic status, which helps to determine one's education.

        if fewer blacks have higher levels of education than whites, and it has nothing to do with racism, then you're saying that it has to do with some inherent different between races?

        • 1 vote
        #5.2 - Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:31 PM EDT
        FL Independent

        The race component has more to do with culture of the race and the importance placed on education.

        • 3 votes
        #5.3 - Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:58 PM EDT
        bmvaughn

        if fewer blacks have higher levels of education than whites, and it has nothing to do with racism...

        Perhaps you mean a smaller percentage rather than "fewer"... if you mean raw numbers rather than percentage, your assertion is likely correct.

        • 1 vote
        #5.4 - Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:54 PM EDT
        firsty

        Perhaps you mean a smaller percentage rather than "fewer"... if you mean raw numbers rather than percentage, your assertion is likely correct.

        whats my assertion?

          #5.5 - Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:00 AM EDT
          bmvaughn

          Maybe we should drop this if you don't know what you're debating :)

          • 1 vote
          #5.6 - Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:41 PM EDT
          firsty

          yeah, see, the thing is, if you were to read more than one comment, you'd see that i'm not debating anything. i'm simply asking kevin and flindependent to follow thru on their loaded statements about race, social status, and education.

          but thanks for poking your head in.

            #5.7 - Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:02 PM EDT
            FL Independent

            I didnt see any questions for me or references to what I said. As for clarification of what I am saying, I would reference the work Bill Cosby has been doing over the past couple of years.

              #5.8 - Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:31 PM EDT
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              firsty

              The race component has more to do with culture of the race and the importance placed on education.

              you're treading on thin ice, to be honest. you'd be hardpressed to find, in any of cosby's work, something that implies that any point of view held by a group of people is due to their race. you're clinging to portions of an argument that is much more complex than you are representing, and you are representing it in such a way as to imply that you believe that some races are different from others by virtue of their race. i think you're confusing race with culture, and, actually, i think thats the best-case scenario for you, at this point. i hope thats what you're doing.

                Reply#6 - Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:45 PM EDT
                FL Independent

                I have no idea what you are saying but its nothing close to what I saying.

                What I am talking about and Cosby's work, is that there are severe problems with the black culture that is the root of many of their problems, one of which is their lack of emphasis and importance placed on education. How blacks are often view by other blacks as sellouts for achieving academically and how its importance is downplayed.

                  #6.1 - Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:35 PM EDT
                  FL Independent

                  After re-reading your statement a few times you somewhat saying what I was saying but in a convoluted way. However, your statement is semi amibiguous. And no I am not confusing race with culture. They do, at times, overlap.

                    #6.2 - Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:45 PM EDT
                    firsty

                    After re-reading your statement a few times you somewhat saying what I was saying but in a convoluted way. However, your statement is semi amibiguous.

                    you should hope that you are confusing race and culture. race does not equal culture. race is not the same as culture. culture is not the same as race. race and culture are two different things.

                    please read that several times to make sure that you are not confused by any semi-ambiguous.ness.ist.isim.

                    i dont think you're equipped to have this conversation, so in order to save you the embarrassment and the risk of being outed, perhaps by accident, as a raging racist, i'll let you back away slowly.

                    cheers.

                      #6.3 - Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:22 AM EDT
                      FL Independent

                      Well you can take your condescension and self serving superiority shove it there buddy.

                      I will state again, many times culture and race do overlap. Jews are an obvious example. Now does that mean all Jews share that culture, obviously not. Are they the same? No. Did I say they were the same? No. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with what culture is. Let the dictionary define it for you:

                      Culture: the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group

                      Do a google search for "black culture" and you will find more than plenty of examples. I guess there are alot of racist people who feel there is a black culture including the New York Public Library, AOL, black dating services, and least of all the Association for Black Culture Centers.

                      Someone is not equipped to have an intelligent discussion and its the one you see in the mirror. As for the raging racist comment, if you actually knew anything about my life, which you dont, you would know how much of a moron you are for making such a statement. So keep your small minded statements to yourself.

                      Sorry its a pet peeve of mine when people make such inflammatory comments with so little knowledge.

                      • 2 votes
                      #6.4 - Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:36 PM EDT
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                      firsty

                      I will state again, many times culture and race do overlap

                      never disagreed.

                      the distinction is that the black culture you're talking about is not caused or defined by the race of those involved. the race of those involved is irrelevent from a causal standpoint. the culture is what it is for reasons other how race affects behavior or mindset. the racism experienced by parts of a black culture in america is due to the fact that members of that culture are black. but the race of those people within the culture is not what is causing the culture to be the way it is.

                      thats my point. thats my only point. you are bordering on racism by your lack of understanding of the subtleties of that distinction. you can probably not be convinced of that, for the same reason that you cant grasp the difference.

                      i'm not your buddy.

                        Reply#7 - Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:47 PM EDT
                        FL Independent

                        Well, obviously there is nothing inherent about being black biologically that would cause much of these items. That was never a point of contention. Your attempt at trying to sound intellectual fails due to its complete lack of any real relevance. No one was arguing that there was a biological or genetic basis to being black that had to do with the culture but more of historical fact and circumstance that lead to the current situation that they continue to perpetuate.

                        I am not bordering on racism and I do see the subtlety but its use here is irrelevant and serves no purpose. God you are a pompous ass. You damn skippy you aint my buddy. Your arrogance is too overwhelming.

                        • 1 vote
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