Key Evangelical Quits Amid Gay Sex Claim

It's a political move. The faster it is taken cared of, the less the fallout.

Sheep? No, I believe it is an accusation of homosexuality, not bestiality.

Sorry. I couldn't resist.

The church by-laws require the pastor to temporarily step down until accusations of immorality can be proven wrong. I guess we'll find out what the investigation finds.

Of course he would temporarily step down during something huge like this. There is no way a congregation of people are going to listen to a pastor preach when there are looming allegations like this.

Assuming things doesn't get anybody anywhere. Think before you speak.

I think He just did.

I think He just did.

Hahaha

"Innocent 'til proven guilty" is such a pesky mantra.

OK. Let's give him a fair trial, then hang him.

As is "judge not lest ye be judged," as the good pastor is now finding out.

se7en,

Thanks so much for pointing out the Bush connection. This excerpt from a recent article in Harper's magazine entitled "Inside America's most powerful megachurch with Pastor Ted Haggard"

Pastor Ted, who talks to President George W. Bush or his advisers every Monday...

So we're not talking about just any evangelical. We're talking about one of THE most tightly Fascist-connected evangelicals in the nation

judge not lest ye be judged

Well saying an action in general is wrong isn't judging, per se, so I wouldn't rush to say that that verse is applicable in terms of him denouncing homosexuality. Of course, denouncing homosexuals might be a bit more of a sticky area--in any case, let's not fudge to say holding moral beliefs is judging...

OK. Let's give him a fair trial, then hang him.

So homosexuality is a capital offense? ¡Doble estándard!

OK. Let's give him a fair trial, then hang him.

So homosexuality is a capital offense? ¡Doble estándard!

It. was. a. joke.

let's not fudge to say holding moral beliefs is judging

He did more than "hold a moral belief." He has directed his followers to oppose equal rights for homosexuals and has tried to "cure" them of their "sin." He has most certainly judged them.

Not to mention the whole section in Matthew about praying in public. Jesus wasn't much into public displays of superior piety. He left that to the Pharisees.

Wait, wait, wait--whether you agree or not, he believes that the Bible says that homosexuality is wrong, along with a host of other things, and saying that those actions are wrong and should not be encouraged is not "judging"... It's quite clear that the Christians are to "expel the immoral brother" from among them, which sounds like "judging" by your standard, but not so by the Biblical one.

Saying that homosexuals are less worthy of respect and less valuable as human beings, etc. is certainly judging and unbiblical--saying that the act of practicing homosexual intercourse is wrong and should be discouraged is stating a belief...

@Dennis
Yeah, I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek as well, knowing that you weren't saying what I characterized you as saying.

The hatred that drips from their mouths as they deliver their spittle-laced invective against gays makes it quite clear that they have judged them. Not allowing a non-celibate homosexual to worship in the church is on the line, but directing that they should receive inferior partnership benefits and that people should be allowed to discriminate against them because of their orientation is a whole 'nother ball of wax.

I think I agree with you. Certainly on the latter of the two issues.

that should read PLAYING you... not paying you.... cripes.....

LOL. Either way...

oh my.. I had not thought of the joke that made :-)

Boy do I hope he puts up.

or think the word hypocrite.

Recorded messages from Haggard, an envelope that likely has DNA evidence... I expect he will.

or think the word hypocrite.

Brian, now you made me think it. Damn you!

Boy do I hope he puts up.

Recorded messages from Haggard, an envelope that likely has DNA evidence... I expect he will.

Once again, he said "claiming you have evidence and having evidence are not the same thing". He says he has evidence, but it hasn't even been processed yet--it probably won't be, either, since it's not a criminal case at this point.

As anyone who followed the wireless macbook exploit debacle knows -- claiming you have evidence and having evidence are not the same thing.

And sometimes the evidence is there if you know where to look.

http://projects.info-pull.com/mokb/MOKB-01-11-2006.html

Boy, I really hate to drive this off-topic but as we're on an AP article, here goes:

That is -not- evidence of the exploit that Krebs and Maynor were all gung-ho about a few months ago. That is evidence of an exploit against a wireless card that hasn't been in use for over 3 years.

Or, perhaps you have more evidence?

hell, they are all gay... bush too!

hell, they are all gay... bush too!

That's foolish.

why do you say its foolish ? ever heard of jeff gannon ?

Everything goes back to Bush and Cheney, doesn't it vladimer? Maybe the love of money isn't the root of all evil - it must be Bush - yeah, thats it- Bush is the root of all evil... Is this why the left is obsessed with assassinating Bush (e.g. the movie that's about to come out)?

the topic was....... is bush gay ?? maybe he is maybe he isn't. care to comment ? your other comments are off topic.

Thats what I'm trying to figure out - why is Bush's sexual orientation or Iran-Contra an issue in this news item? Please clue me in.

why is Bush's sexual orientation or Iran-Contra an issue in this news item?

Republican/Socially conservative leaders possible homosexuality is important because they are so quick to judge and denigrate unapproved sexuality.

Iran Contra, slightly off topic, I brought up to show what happens to conservatives who get caught doing stuff they might publically condemn, like selling arms to bad guys.

Jeff Gannon is gay, so Bush is gay--that's genius. Obviously not foolish, Vlad. Glad you corrected me.

My money's on bottom,

and he made the guy wear a Pat Robertson mask.

a lot of guys are versatile, you know. while we're on the subject...

Looks like not. A Google of "new life bible church" brings up several results.

Might as well be, though. Although, on the whole, I'd say the folks at the blog NLBC are having far more interesting lives.

It looks more like a mega-Entertainment Complex / God Mall. You can see it + an interview with Haggard himself >> Part 1 - Richard Dawkins documentary "The Root of All Evil"

That's good stuff.

I've been to churches like this and I highly recommend the experience to any student of humanity. But...don't go alone.

I have this to say about them...where is Jesus when you need him?

(Mark 11:17 'My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations? But you have made it a den of robbers')

But didn't the article say that Haggard already paid?

Nah, he's played... ;)

winsome-

i guess we'll have to see if faux news pics up the story.. if so, it's probably not the "mess with the librul media" angle.

i for one hope like hell it is all true.

not that he is gay or likes men, that i could care less about but it is a great day when hypocrisy is exposed.

Full disclosure: I have no idea how to play chess, can you even castle with both queens on the board?

Either way it's very rich, very saucy and ultimately very distracting.

A very good point dude. The phrase misdirection comes to mind.

Full disclosure: I have no idea how to play chess, can you even castle with both queens on the board?

Yes, here's the details. I once blew a date by castling. Didn't realize going into the game that I totally outclassed the man in question. About a third of the way through the game, after I had already castled, I realized I was going to slaughter him, seldom conducive to fun later in my experience, so I eased waaaay back. He got all pissy because I was "letting him win". I denied it, but he said that all he needed to know that I was a better player was that I castled. He had never even heard of it. DOH! He would never play chess with me again, either.

It's okay to be a prostitute as long as you're an evangelical leader on the side? Sign me up for this deal!

thats insane. can you imagine having to lead the life of an evangelical leader? talk about a bad crowd.

can you imagine having to lead the life of an evangelical leader

You only work on Sundays, and even then it's a bit sketchy as to what your work is. You get to scream for hours and yell at people, who you subsequently rob and fondle. You also have closeted buttsecks.

Being a prostitute for a priest is way better. You can confess immediately afterwards, reducing to a minimum the likelihood you die with the unconfessed mortal sin of father @!$%#ing.

yeah i think i'd rather be a prostitute than an evangelical leader. there were prostitutes in the bible, after all, with whom Christ made friends, not to mention the prostitutes who contributed to the lineage of abraham's descendents. there were no evangelical leaders in the bible.

and as a prostitute, i'd have the good feelings that went along with providing a meaningful service in trade. evangelical leaders are simply criminals - they engage in simple theft. what they pretend to give to their sheep in return is, in no uncertain terms, much less enjoyable than sex.