Saddam, 2 Others Sentenced to Death

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..just hope it`s a public hanging...and they leave him there for awhile...

On the c ontrary - I hope that the governments of the UK and Australia maintain their opposition on principle to the death penalty and lobbhy strongly for the death sentence to be commuted to life imprisonment.

As much as I think he should be hung, it will tear the country apart to make a public spectacle out of it. Baghdad will burn if that happens.

Well it will be good for the US oil economy so long as the feilds are left :p

Unfortunately that is a neo con sentiment at this point. It is all about the oil, time to change the focus of our existence.

You have to hang him. There are too many that were promised that Saddam would come back to lead them in battle. The hanging would provide closure.

mrcg is very right. If they don't get rid of him, then the left over bathists ( how ever you spell that) will have something to use as a battle cry.

It's just like after Nuremberg, where the Nazi's rose back to power after the war criminals were hung, right?

A public hanging would only martyr him. I don't have a problem with the death penalty, but you can't make a public spectacle out of it.

CNN shows US soldiers being attacked, but will they show Saddam being hanged?

God willing. Run that on a loop in Times Square. They should do it at halftime on Monday Night Football.

CNN shows US soldiers being attacked, but will they show Saddam being hanged?

Yea! And let's make sure we drag his body through Times Square behind a pickup truck and then set fire to it!

Executions are something you don't show on television. It's not only inhumane, it's against the law too. The thugish behavior of the Iraqi insurgency isn't something to emulate Comsen, it's something we should hold ourselves above.

And please don't trot out that tired line about CNN showing our soldiers being shot at unless you're really willing to admit that the Bush Administrations failure in Iraq is so abject that we are literally executing our young men and women by sending them there.

That is about the most bizarre and stupid idea I have seen in a long time. For anyone coming from America or other western countries to actually proclaim a public execution as something that they welcome...Then they must indeed be the most egoistic piss ants there can be. What about your fellow young ones who are fighting for a lied onto and lost cause over there? Are you so depraved that you would think nothing of the outcome if something like this would happen? Or are you so short sighted that you did not think of what such an outcome could in the worst case scenario look like? Let me give you a hint..How many point targeted, kidnapped and beheaded young American soldiers do you think such an act to be worth?

I tell you what. I did in fact conduct my own research to what monstrous and inhumane acts that this pity excuse of a man (Saddam Hussein) have been up to during all his reign. I support anything that is coming to him except that by Americas leaders them self now approved and implemented despicable use of torture (you may call it what ever you feel like) .

But since we now are on the verge of global celebrations caused by the fall of one dictator, then we should perhaps look, learn by all existing evidence and then impeach with the hopes of a lifelong hard core prison time, the OTHER one too? I believe that might make it worth waiting for. You know, this one dictator to be joined by another one? Who? The mighty deciding Chimp King Bush of course. If I am kidding? Nope! One do not have to become a rocket scientist to study, learn and find the evidence against him. And I can bet one thing with total seriousness, that History will look upon this President of his handmade mess with due and honest disrespect and an utter shame. Cause his atrocities as well as his failures....They are numerous.

..Killfile I agree,execute him,say a prayer and bury him.Time to move ahead....

Guido, I live up the road from it. You can see it really well from the Twin Tow....oh wait, they blew them up. Nevermind, forgive and forget I guess.

So you are in favor of letting him live?

"Rummy abd Bush are just not living in reality and are illogical people."

because they removed a mass murder, and allowed the courts to sentence him to death?

your right, their completely nuts!

Guido, stop trolling. When did US engage in pre-meditated massacre? I don't think there is a sane person on this planet who would equate US administration, however misguided or corrupt, to Saddam and leaders of his type.

Actually, if you read the UNICEF reports from back then, Baghdad was restricting access to medicine.

news.bbc.co.uk /1/hi/world/middle_east/418597.stm [remove the space after uk]

In Kurdish areas were relief workers had access, the death rate was significantly lower.

Some highlights from the article:

"Unicef estimates that over the last 10 years at least 500,000 child deaths could have been prevented."

"However, the report says that in the northern Kurdish areas, where the UN runs a relief operation outside Baghdad's control, child fatalities have decreased by more than a fifth."

"US State Department spokesman James Rubin said both areas were subject to the same sanctions and both were covered by the oil-for-food programme."

"He said the clearest conclusion was that the programme was successful where it was allowed to work freely."

"The bottom line is that if Saddam Hussein would not continue to hoard medicines and capabilities to assist the children of Iraq, they wouldn't have this problem," he said."

"UK Foreign Office Minister Geoff Hoon insisted that sanctions were not targeted against children."

"Unicef says Baghdad's delay in distributing aid supplies under the food-for-oil deal has contributed to the problems."

The truth is.....sanctions are not targeted at children or meant to starve civilians. It is the direct actions of ruthless dictators that cause deaths.

Koozebane, thank you for your research and common sense on this issue. We need more like you who look at the facts and make educated points.

because they removed a mass murder, and allowed the courts to sentence him to death?

your right, their completely nuts!

No they are not!

What Bush and Dumbsfeld, Dick face and them others really are?

They are mass murderers!

Why?

Oil!

How?

More then 600.000 civilian and soon to become 300 US soldiers life for a war they and their Nation were lied into!

What evidence do I have?

A brain that functions and eyes to see the truth with. Plus the fact that I can add and multiply.

Interesting Guido. Here you condemn collective punishment when it is applied to non-Americans, yet you wrote an entire article "The Myth of the Innocent Americans" that appears to call for collective punishment. Which is it?

"Actually, I wouldn't stop there. I would try to hang their supporters too."

Apparently, Guido thinks mass murder is perfectly alright when it serves his own purposes.

I'm chalking him off as an attention whore whose posts aren't worth the attention.

The 600,000 death toll figure is questionable. I see no reason to use unverified figures........except in some shoddy attempt to paint the US as being worse than Saddam.

Expecting rational people to believe that over 500 innocent civilians have been killed every day since the conflict in Iraq started is a pretty tall order.

October Surprise II: The Lancet Strikes www.fallacyfiles.org /archive102006.html#10122006
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And to further aggravate the whole "the US is as bad as Saddam" mantra, there are old articles that point out the staggering number of executions and deaths that have been inarguably documented by respectable organizations.

From 2002:

~ Indict Saddam ~
By Kenneth Roth, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch
hrw.org /english/docs/2002/03/22/iraq12900.htm
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It seems Human Rights Watch believed there was sufficient grounds to remove Saddam from power after the first Gulf War gave the organization access to areas of genocide.

A Stanford University report from 2003:

~ IRAQ: Deaths under Saddam Hussein ~
wais.stanford.edu /Iraq/iraq_deathsundersaddamhussein42503.html
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"The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's needless war with Iran. Coldly taken as a daily average for the 24 years of Saddam's reign, these numbers give us a horrifying picture of between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam's 8,000-odd days in power"

And this doesn't even include the needless deaths of half a million children by Saddam's heartless withholding of medicine and humanitarian aid.

You all with have to do better than use an unverified number to overshadow the cold brutality of Saddam Hussein.

More reasons to ignore the inflated death tolls.

blog.washingtonpost.com /earlywarning/2006/10/600000_iraqis_killed_by_war_cr.html
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Read the rest of Guido's articles/comments. The man is clearly anti-American. In addition, he leans for far to the left, he's driving in circles.

"Obviously, Saddam is not the only one in the dock and what is unacceptable is having one criminal responsible for trying another, rival criminal. - Guido"

So whenever the victor makes the vanquished stand tall in front of Justice, the victor is evil? It's too bad the Nazi's didn't have you in their corner at Neuremburg. Your anti-American venom is the kind of poison that infects the liberal media and the rest of the leftists.

..sorry that reply should have been here.But for those that missed this last nite,I highly recommend you watch it .Guido it drives my point home on the Total War argument..sad even the children are puppets of the extremist...

Why would you want to fight a war that cannot be won?

I totally disagree there..question is,do we have the stomach to the carnage..there I `d say NO..but yes the US alone has the ability to kill 1.3 billion Muslims...complete lunacy is it not...as I told you in the other thread..its not my choice..but it is a ability I (we) have..we can talk and come to a rational conclusion or we can kill a good majority of the world..again make a choice..its their`s not mine...

..kind`a racist there don't ya think...or are you of the opinion that is depicted in the movie...I merely stated a fact,we will defend ourselves and go after those that wish us harm..you seem to be..well what are you saying,you wish the demise of western society?

...I cant for the life of me understand what you saying..what rights are being snuffed out and where...man I see quite the opposite ..please expand your comment.

sad even the children are puppets of the extremist...

Yep! And little young Israeli girls wrote their form of best wishes messages on shells at a heavy artillery position near Kiryat Shmona, before they where sent to the Lebanese side to amongst other things, kill other little girls and children.

and

...two thirteen year old "all American" twins, Lamb and Lynx Gaede from Bakersfield, California, are white nationalists and use their talents to preach a message of hate with their "Prussian Blue."

It sure smells utterly bad when those damn extremists use children as their puppets ain't it?

Look before you leap. I would have imagined that would have sunk in after going in to the Iraq war in the first place, but maybe not ...

..considering we talking Iraq can you really believe we would be any further along no matter the tract..?This struggle is going to take generations I wholeheartedly agree.But in the end Muslims are going to have to understand while we will respect them and their religion,thet WILL have to respect ours or those that don't believe at all...thru words I hope...by other means if necessary...again its their choice..

..maybe you should ask the Kurds...for it was those,mostly he slaughtered...

My guess, given that numbers were released in one instance and not the other leads me to suspect that the verdict is an unpopular one.

In the absence of fact most people see what they want to see. Rob wants to see a signs of positive resolution so that's what he sees. You want to see unrest, so that's what you see.

...guess that's the difference,your are a pessimist , I`m a optimist..I never said this will be the fix all..but I do believe this is good for Iraq.

Not 'want to see' in my case. I 'predicted' unrest. Later events, such as Rallies Continue in Wake of Saddam Verdict have confirmed this prediction.

All told, I've seen reports of maybe 5,000 people protesting in various cities around Iraq. In a nation of over 40 million people that's .01% of the population. That hardly points to it being an unpopular verdict.

No, I reckon that most Iraqis are more concerned with survival than justice. Justice (or Injustice depending on your perspective) for a dictator deposed 4 years ago becomes a minor concern when everyday is a struggle to survive and put food on the table.

Ok, so when defined that way they are concerned with justice for themselves, not justice for Saddam.

I agree that the Iraqi people deserve to leave in a country free from persecution, occupation, and secretarian violence, but I fail to see how one nation completely destroying another's infastructure and then leaving them to pick up the peaces can be called justice.

To be honest, I don't see this trial accomplishing anything other than seeing 3 men hanged and several days of increased violence in protest. My point was simply that, given what I have read, I don't think the average Iraqi really cares that much. In their mind they have more important concerns.

You would love that,would you not?

I would call that unAmerican.

Why don't you guys just fire up the ovens while your at it?

You could rid the world of all who oppose your will.

Seems to be a perfect question for the Bush regime.

I would call that unAmerican.

Hell yeah it is! But then again, who ain't nowadays? And you'll have to thank your dear beloved Chimp deciding wonder bubble boy for most of them reasons to why it is so.

And before (instead) you start the old "I bet you ain't American!... bla bla bla" I can tell you the answer. Nope!And like the majority of humankind who lives outside your "Yo! we ar´still a supah powha" borders, I am also oh my Gaawd! so happy about that fact.

"Treason to the Constitution is unAmerican"

You are right.

"Actually, I wouldn't stop there. I would try to hang their supporters too. "

That is unAmerican.

Treason-
1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.

Traitor-
1.One who betrays one's country, a cause, or a trust, especially one who commits treason.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.

I was more thinking of him calling his old handshaking pal Dumbsfeld and going a little something like...

Yo Rumzy man! Waz uuup dude? yeah I like, did my best but them damn proto-elemites or Persians and their followers of those goophy looking turban wearing mo´lahs was way to organized and such. so it all went pretty darn down from when they cowardly decided to go poopoooh on the whole I-attack-you-then-you-attack-me-deal dat you n´ I so cleverly thought up back then. Sorry bout that though. But hey, I've just gotten my self into this little messy thingy see. So now that we handed the oil over to your master wit'em big ears, could you do an old pal a favor you dink?

...he is a rabid animal,and today there is no cure........

If by that you're attempting to draw some kind of simplistic and base comparison between Saddam and a 'rabid animal' then you really have a childish view of human nature, I'm not sure it's worth responding but I will for the benefit of any interlocutors.

This man was a ruthless and selfish b*stard, he deserves to spend the rest of his life considering his actions without freedom or luxury, his liberty under the control of others and maintained at a basic level - time and the vicissitudes of the conscience will offer a far better torture than man can devise.

Killing the guy by hanging gives him a short period of fear and then the off switch, after which his suffering cannot continue and he has no opportunity to consider how much he is reviled. Way too easy a way out: force him to ponder his actions in an environment where his basic liberties are lost and he'll get a far better appreciation for the error of his ways than offering him what he probably considers a martyrs way out.

I never understood people who defend the death sentence by arguing it is the ultimate punishment - once you're dead you're dead and can't experience any more punishment, there is no more 'you' to be punished. The death sentence is the animalistic brutes' way to exact a revenge, primitive and pointless.

..thanks `wookie ,after reading your post a couple of times,I agree...to torture him for years is a better way to go...what was I thinking... death would be to quick,thanks.....maybe this rabid animal kept in a cage is more humane...

…from your somewhat flipant tone I suspect that the subtleties of what I'm talking about may be lost on you…

yeah Guido we do...lets just say they keep "Kool-Aid" in business ,but there's seldom a boring moment..

..probably so there `wookie..but nice try tho...hey wonder how many steps o` Saddam could take on the o` dunking board..you could have years of enjoyment there...frankly I would just care to forget him and move along..but I`m just one vote...

Do your peers a favor.

Avoid jury duty in the future.

Your views on what constitutes the presence of "evidence" is a danger to them all.