Holocaust Archive Tells Many New Stories

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{"commentId":386364,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

Interestingly, the ICRC was created by the Wall Street banks, notably JP Morgan.

The Red Cross was unable to cope with the demands of World War I and in effect was taken over by these New York bankers. According to John Foster Dulles, these businessmen "viewed the American Red Cross as a virtual arm of government, they envisaged making an incalculable contribution to the winning of the war." [1] In so doing they made a mockery of the Red Cross motto: "Neutrality and Humanity."

In exchange for raising funds, Wall Street asked for the Red Cross War Council; and on the recommendation of Cleveland H. Dodge, one of Woodrow Wilson's financial backers, Henry P. Davison, a partner in J.P. Morgan Company, became chairman. The list of administrators of the Red Cross then began to take on the appearance of the New York Directory of Directors:

* John D. Ryan, president of Anaconda Copper Company

* George W. Hill, president of the American Tobacco Company

* Grayson M.P. Murphy, vice president of the Guaranty Trust Company

* Ivy Lee, public relations expert for the Rockefellers.

Harry Hopkins, later to achieve fame under President Roosevelt, became assistant to the general manager of the Red Cross in Washington, D.C.

The question of a Red Cross Mission to Russia came before the third meeting of this reconstructed War Council, which was held in the Red Cross Building, Washington, D.C., on Friday, May 29, 1917, at 11:00 A.M.

Chairman Davison was deputed to explore the idea with Alexander Legge of the International Harvester Company.

Subsequently International Harvester, which had considerable interests in Russia, provided $200,000 to assist financing the Russian mission. At a later meeting it was made known that William Boyce Thompson, director of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, had "offered to pay the entire expense of the commission"

All expenses were paid by William Boyce Thompson and the $200,000 from International Harvester was apparently used in Russia for political subsidies. We know from the files of the U.S. embassy in Petrograd that the U.S. Red Cross gave 4,000 rubles to Prince Lvoff, president of the Council of Ministers, for "relief of revolutionists" and 10,000 rubles in two payments to Kerensky for "relief of political refugees."

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Reply#1 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:05 PM EST
{"commentId":386409,"authorDomain":"regbarc"}

So Pamela - did the Holocaust happen? Yes or no.

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#1.1 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:57 PM EST
{"commentId":386473,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

There's no question it happened; I'm not sure what the question was designed to do or the relevance as a comment.

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#1.2 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:42 PM EST
{"commentId":386495,"authorDomain":"marilynl"}

It IS interesting to know that the ICRC had US coprorate connections in during WWII. The history of the US re holocaust victims, Jewish refugees is abysmal. So is the history of the ICRC, who accepted Hitler's model Jewish camp, Theresienstadt, as proof that the developing Holocaust was a myth. Thanks for the link, Pamela.

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#1.3 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:08 PM EST
{"commentId":386501,"authorDomain":"marilynl"}

Wait a minute though. Is your quote about the International Committe of the Red Cross, or the American Red Cross. Two very different, though connected, organizations?

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#1.4 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:10 PM EST
{"commentId":386507,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

They are different but connected by founders and funders. The item above is related to the International, ICRC creation.

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#1.5 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:15 PM EST
{"commentId":386576,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

Marilyn L., sorry to race off with half an answer. It is all connected and the heart of all America's wealth and power are run out of Wall Street and delivered with the best research and PR bottomless pockets can buy. One of the more brilliant pieces of strategy is to marry the words conspiracy and theory in the public consciousness. It is as if the very mention of conspiracy evokes a visceral assumption of theory. In simple fact there is ample documentary evidence that it runs like an organized crime ring, more finely tuned than a Swiss watch.

If you eliminate the issue of politics for a moment, and think of the Nation purely in terms of consumers profiled in a business model it is obvious to the very least among us, they know everything about us, right down to the average squares of toilet paper used and whether it's one ply or two. Every document, illness, transaction transfer and title is just clicks away in a database. Every one is grouped by types to target with messages honed to razor like sharpness using focus groups and feed back and carefully controlled flows of information. Consumers all know it, duh? We know companies work together for profits.

The disconnect comes when we transition to Washington. It's as if the cone of ethics is lowered over the region inside the Beltway. Suddenly the foreknowledge of global populations and production methods is erased from their minds and a whole parallel intelligence operation, supplementing the consumer models, don't know enough about what might be where. Pleesee, industry tracks everything perfectly. So much so, we can wave a UPC and a debit card at a terminal and voila!

How did $12 million dollars get "lost" in Iraq? The bank won't lose an ATM charge but thanks me by name for the visit. The only plausible explanation is the correct one; it was stolen. Why is no one held to account? Criminal conspiracy exists at the heart of Congress and has been growing for over a century. Now is the time when the Pavlovian reaction to the claim is to add the term theory; resist.

Meticulously researched, ground breaking work by Antony Sutton, focused on the Skull & Bones, moved the subject into a factual, scholarly documentation of their history. Pressure from the exposure eventually forced public acknowledgement. There's a Wikipedia entry for the Bonesmen and here's a link that can trace some of the connections from the ICRC, originally named The Red Cross War Council. I noticed on the Wiki link that there's a neutrality challenge on it. That happens often enough but I have faith in the original research of Antony Sutton, who had publication of about 26 textbooks on the Soviet Cold War economy under his belt, when he published his Secret Establishment work.

He called it his magnum opus. Despite every attempt to dismiss conspiracy, the pieces all fit perfectly.

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#1.6 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:28 PM EST
{"commentId":444219,"authorDomain":"hamburg66"}

There are two international Red Cross organisations: International Committee of the Red Cross () was founded in Geneva in 1863 and primarily aims to help victims of armed conflict. The International Federation (initially 'League') of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (www.ifrc.org) was founded in 1919. It serves as an umbrella body for national Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies and focuses on helping victims of natural disasters. Indeed, Henry Davison was a driving force in its creation.

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#1.7 - Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:46 PM EST
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{"commentId":386411,"authorDomain":"crocus"}

I imagine a lovely Steven Spielberg Soderbergh etc. movie made up on the premises of two Holocaust researchers meeting coincidentaly in the gaudy scene of Bad Arolsen, and fall in love helplessly. Then they name their children after Anne Franks siblings...

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Reply#2 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:58 PM EST
{"commentId":386430,"authorDomain":"MissDev"}

Or - they fall in love, only to discover that one is the grandchild of a Holocaust survivor and the other the grandchild on one of the guards at the death camp the other's grandparent was held.

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#2.1 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:11 PM EST
{"commentId":386722,"authorDomain":"ansab"}

Hey! My grandfather died at Auschwitz. He fell off the guard tower.

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    #2.2 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:58 PM EST
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    {"commentId":386431,"authorDomain":"MissDev"}

    Sorry - I just re-read what I wrote and it sounds insensitive. This is a really powerful story and a powerful move to understanding the people and time of the Holocaust. I think that opening these files will add an immeasurable service to the world, and one from which we can all benefit.

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    Reply#3 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:12 PM EST
    {"commentId":386451,"authorDomain":"crocus"}

    Of course. But it'll still make a good story.

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    #3.1 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:25 PM EST
    {"commentId":386480,"authorDomain":"fort"}

    I believe there was actually a made for TV movie that ran along the lines you suggested.

    I just wish I could remember the name of it...

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    #3.2 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:49 PM EST
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    {"commentId":386566,"authorDomain":"chAng"}

    ...It makes no sense to me why those eleven countries would not immediately consent to the research of these files.It also doesn't make sense to me why it is illegal in a slew of countries to question the number of deaths or any aspect of the official story.Their is no doubt in my mind the holocaust took place,but making it criminal to research and question the specifics of the event seems absurd,especially when there hasn't been access to the information which raises the question of why.
    ...If these bankers head the Red Cross still,(and I might have misunderstood here) and they basically hold the key to these files,why would they seemingly put up the political red tape of having eleven countries agree to open the doors?(again,I might have misunderstood their power of accessing these files) ...I just feel if these files could answer the questions that solidify the historical event then it would be in the best interests of everyone so the endless debate and the problems it has caused can stop.
    ...Hopefully the opening of these files wouldn't throw fuel on the fire in that debate.

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    Reply#4 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:13 PM EST
    {"commentId":386584,"authorDomain":"marilynl"}

    Hi chAng. There is lots of legitimate research going on all the time about the Holocaust. There is no question that it happened, nor that millions and millions of people died. For me personally, the exact number of each ethnic/religious/political group that died is less important than remembering forever so that civilized nations do not recreate the pathology that created the Holocaust.

    The release of this trove of data will be important to show the detailed records kept by the Nazis themselves, the eye-witness accounts of the perversion of humanity that occurred. In addition the anguish of many family members who still don't know what happened to their loved ones may finally be put to rest.

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    #4.1 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:33 PM EST
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    {"commentId":386773,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

    Can anyone really explain why the Holocaust occurred? I can.

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    Reply#5 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:20 PM EST
    {"commentId":386777,"authorDomain":"ansab"}

    Explain away, please.

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    #5.1 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:24 PM EST
    {"commentId":386805,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

    Hitler attempted to rival the Antichrist.

    Hitler was likely familiar with the Judeo-Christian prophecies regarding the rule of the Antichrist from Jerusalem during the Millennium. Hitler was aware of the Antichrist's Eastern European lineage and the approximate era of his birth ("he who would be BORN king of the Jews"); so, like Herod of old, Hitler sought to wipe out European Jewry and thus the potential Antichrist.

    Hitler had his own version of a Nordic/Germanic faith to supplant Judaism and Christianity. He also had his 1,000-year Reich, which was to be the equivalent of the Millennium.

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    #5.2 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:57 PM EST
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    {"commentId":386921,"authorDomain":"tabgilbert"}
    After that, each of the 11 countries can have a digital copy of the files and decide who has access to it.

    Does this mean the documents have already been scanned?

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      Reply#6 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:06 PM EST
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