School Shuns Tech, Teaches Fountain Pen

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{"commentId":420421,"authorDomain":"zaki"}

I miss fountain pens! I used them all my years as a kid in France, and I could never find them in the States. I'm sure they are around, but I am not looking for the expansive models, just a nice cheap one with ink cartridges.

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    Reply#1 - Sat Dec 9, 2006 10:51 PM EST
    {"commentId":421041,"authorDomain":"cqtech"}

    I haven't really thought to look for years myself. I have too many ball point pens lying around and have more of a need for permanent markers (or a decent pencil) most of the time.

    A quick check online finds: http://www.bizrate.com/pens/products__keyword--fountain+pens.html

    Which appears to have some very reasonably priced disposable fountain pens available.

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      #1.1 - Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:41 PM EST
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      {"commentId":420503,"authorDomain":"sbudhe"}

      I miss fountain pens too!! It was compulsory to use a fountain pen from the 5th grade onwards in my school in India and I loved them. In addition, cursive handwriting was appreciated by teachers, although it was not compulsory.

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        Reply#2 - Sat Dec 9, 2006 11:45 PM EST
        {"commentId":420557,"authorDomain":"johnreiss"}

        You can find fountain pens for relatively cheap at many places. I use a Hero 329 that I purchased from www.hisnibs.com. You would be surprised by the large amount of people that actually still use daily and collect (I find myself in both categories) fountain pens. You can also check out www.fountainpennetwork.com or www.pencollectors.com for more information.

        As a disclaimer, I am not affiliated with the website www.hisnibs.com and do not get anything from it. I have just purchased from him in the past, that is all. The other two, I am a member but still get nothing from it.

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        Reply#3 - Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:18 AM EST
        {"commentId":420678,"authorDomain":"kirklennon"}

        And where are the parents who think it's a waste of time and resources?

        I really don't see how using a fountain pen is going to actually improve schoolwork. "I like it because it makes me concentrate much more on my work." And just how does it do that? Writing on a piece of paper, regardless of pen used, takes more effort than typing. You have to actually look at where your hand is physically moving, where you are on the paper, and more. You get down to the bottom of the page of a notebook and your hand is forced into a less comfortable position of either half-hanging off or floating in the air. I'm not saying it's a lot of effort, but a not-negligible amount is exerted concentrating on the act of writing itself. Surely it's more important to focus on the content of what you're writing?

        In addition, cursive handwriting was appreciated by teachers, although it was not compulsory.

        Cursive writing, in anything other than a signature, is absolutely absurd. It is harder to write and much harder to read. Read a page of perfectly written print, and a page of perfectly written cursive; you can read the former much faster. The latter, no matter how "beautiful" it may be, is categorically inferior as a format for the exchange of information.

        As for finding inexpensive fountain pens, it's quite easy. Just walk into any Michaels, or other art supply store.

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          Reply#4 - Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:39 AM EST
          {"commentId":421075,"authorDomain":"cqtech"}

          Perhaps it is not so much the use of the fountain pen, as it is the encouragement of taking the time to collect ones thoughts before transferring them to some other medium. A practice that is easier to engage in using an arguably simpler interface of actual writing.

          Writing on a piece of paper, regardless of pen used, takes more effort than typing.

          I would challenge that assertion by pointing out that both writing and typing require a good deal of practice to gain enough proficiency to no longer have to look at ones hands to see where they
          are on paper or relative to the keyboard. I no longer have to look at the full sized keyboard I am using to type this reply, even when I make a spelling mistake I can move to correct it without looking down for the backspace or delete keys. But, when I try to transfer the same skill to the smaller keyboard on my (new) laptop, I invariably make mistakes that are harder to correct without looking down to find the correct placement for my hands.

          A practiced writer of longhand script falls into the same pattern of use when taking up pen and paper, they do not have to worry about looking down to where they are on the paper, because after years of writing they have established automatic (subconscious) patterns of knowing what their relative position is to the top of the page, and they will, from habit, stop and move to the next page before the point of discomfort occurs. We have ergonomic keyboards now because the same problems of proper hand placement still exists beyond the writing pad.

          The latter, no matter how "beautiful" it may be, is categorically inferior as a format for the exchange of information.

          There is more to text-based communication, using pen, typewriter, or computer, than the simple exchange of information.

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          #4.1 - Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:09 PM EST
          {"commentId":421619,"authorDomain":"kirklennon"}

          With lots of practice, yes, writing with a pen gets easier, but I still maintain that it can never be as easy or efficient as typing. It puts all the effort into one hand, and even requires arm movements. With typing, you spread out the effort between the two hands. It also doesn't require me to move my arm around. There's really no question about it; typing is simply faster.

          There is more to text-based communication, using pen, typewriter, or computer, than the simple exchange of information.

          Specifically, this was in the context of schoolwork. If you're making formal wedding invitations, by all means, write them with a fountain pen, or even calligraph them. You can even write a thank-you note in pen. But pens should be avoided for anything even remotely lengthy. I'm even going to go so far as to call it rude to hand write a letter. It's an unnecessary burden on your recipient. To write a letter in cursive, no matter how neat, is onerous.

          Full disclosure: In school, my teachers had nothing but complaints about my handwriting. Every year I heard, "They're not going to take that next year." But they did. They always did. They also often strongly encouraged me to type, whenever possible. For the record, I absolutely love my handwriting.

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            #4.2 - Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:10 PM EST
            {"commentId":433424,"authorDomain":"Lis"}

            I think the point of teaching hand-writing is not that it is the most efficient. Proper writing forces you to put more of your personality into your work and teaches you (among other things) that aesthetics are important.
            Say whatever you want about the clarity and efficiency of typing, it's also impersonal. Writing something by hand remains a personal and even artistic form of expression.

            Besides, all important businessmen here in Spain have fountain pens and often use them to write little personal notes to clients and especially to sign contracts.

            It's all well and good to say you should only use them to sign, but if you don't know how to write to begin with, you're not terribly likely to look or feel comfortable using one.

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              #4.3 - Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:25 AM EST
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              {"commentId":420767,"authorDomain":"TomB1002067"}

              Wonder what the Driver's Ed. class is like...

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                Reply#5 - Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:15 AM EST
                {"commentId":420929,"authorDomain":"Ardith"}
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                {"commentId":421397,"authorDomain":"ultimategfx"}

                Regular handwriting lessons, now THERE is a waste of time. If I was paying thousands a term to send my son/daughter to school I'd be pretty annoyed that my kids time has been wasted on using a novelty item.

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                Reply#7 - Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:21 PM EST
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