I'm still a firm believer in the "we can't predict anything or call anyone a frontrunner this far out" theory.
No doubt. It is way too early in the scheme of things. I have a feeling though that Hillary has a bad case of hype right now. I think she would be better if she were just to stay in the senate and eventually become the senate majority leader.
Go Hillary! You can pull off!
Interesting to see the field shaping up and really starting to take form on the Democrat's side. The Republican's seem to be moving very slowly in comparison.
I bet the whole staff of Liberty University would support him.
whitewater, cattle futures, billing records, covering for bill, hillarycare, vince foster, sandy berger, war votes ... the lady has a lot of heavy baggage to explain away.
Yeah, all those convictions will be tough to explain. Oh, wait.
Whitewater: No charges filed after an extensive investigation.
Cattle futures & Billing Records: Not familiar with these two so I won't comment on them. I might look them up and comment later though.
Covering for Bill, I assume you mean with the infidelity. Who really gives a @!$%# about this. It really didn't affect my life until some people decided to spend my tax dollars to make it a big deal.
HillaryCare: I've never really understood why people got pissed off when the first lady tried to do something for the country other than stand by, smile, and play the perfect 1950's wife.
Vince Foster: Really? Vince Foster? You still believe that @!$%# Wow.
Sandy Berger, I assume you mean with his document stuffing. I really don't know why this is Hillary's fault.
War votes: Every elected official should be judged on their public record. I think she's pretty weak here.
I'm not a big Hillary fan and I hope she doesn't get the Democratic nomination but I can't think of a Republican I would vote for instead of her.
Vince Foster: Really? Vince Foster? You still believe that @!$%# Wow.
Well, now that you've provided such compelling evidence against it I'm sure everyone will change their mind. Wow.
Covering for Bill, I assume you mean with the infidelity. Who really gives a @!$%# about this. It really didn't affect my life until some people decided to spend my tax dollars to make it a big deal.
I completely agree that this is not anyone's business. Of course, you imply it won't be an issue in the election, and I'm almost certain that no matter what happens she will have to discuss her marriage at some point and the infidelity will come up. I'm sure there is already a response ready to go.
War votes: Every elected official should be judged on their public record. I think she's pretty weak here.
The war vote is no problem - "I voted for the war based on the assumption the administration's evidence was conclusive. Had I known the whole story I would have voted otherwise." Done.
"Well, now that you've provided such compelling evidence against it I'm sure everyone will change their mind. Wow."
Classic example of the burden of proof fallacy (Also known as argument from ignorance). Thanks for providing it.
Burden of proof would be me requiring him to provide an inordinately high level of proof - I just want him to say something other than "You still believe that @!$%#? Wow."
Why do people focus on the fact that Hillary Clinton is a female, and Obama is black? Focus on what they say they will do, and not their race and gender, for those will be irrelevant to the running of the country if they are elected.
While I completely agree with you, I don't think you are going to hear about anything else.
Great, let the party begin. Or the brawl.
Bring us some broken beer bottles over here, thank you. And get those tables out of the way.
The whole year will probably be a ¨my candidate rulez, your candidate suxxor¨ kind of brawl. or better yet, and my favorite, no one and I mean no one is good enough for us so let's just flame each other for no apparent reason kind of struggle.
Oh boy....I'm still voting for Obama.
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Okay... the question for Dems is... which of them will swing the key central or southern states to them?
Hilary will certainly pull in the states Kerry held. What others will she bring?
It's a question to ask of Obama or Edwards too.
I think there's the makings of a strong Dem ticket amongst the initial runners, but it will be interesting to see what it is. Hilary will have to be the Presidential candidate, I can see either of the other two going for VP if it came to it, but I can't see Hilary taking it.
Hilary and Obama
Hilary and Edwards
I bet it'll end up Hilary and Edwards with Obama getting a key Cabinet position promise. Edwards is a known and strong performer who'll bring heartland Dems in and the South.
She'll never make it through the primaries.
Clinton is considered the front-runner, with Obama and 2004 vice presidential nominee John Edwards top contenders.
Of the three, the one I would actually consider voting for is Edwards. Obama only if the republicans put a madman up for nomination*.
* I so set someone up for a witty jab at republicans.
Obama only if the republicans put a madman up for nomination*.
The only way for the Republicans to avoid nominating a madman is to nominate a woman.
*bah dum ching!*
In an attempt to give an international perspective on this, I can tell you that nothing would be better for the image of the US in my country than electing a woman president, especially one with such an ability to rally support for unity and bridge gaps between democrats and moderate republicans, who feel as if Bush has drawn them into something they don't really believe in anymore.
I think Americans sometimes think they are the only ones who care what their president does, but it affects partnering nations like mine, who can't of course vote for leaders of a foreign country, sometimes far greater than it effects residents in states which have powerful state governance, which balance out and occasionally rival the control of the federal government.
We don't have that balance here, we just get the American president we're given and don't really have much choice over what he, or now she does and says. That's why it's much easier for us to live under a democratic party president - because historically they listen more to international advise on world affairs than republicans do. And giving opinions on everything and anything, even if it doesn't concern us, is a particular speciality of the British.
Unless it's someone who's on the protectionist side of things like Edwards...
I voted for George Bush, but I would never make that mistake again. So far his misjudgments have caused much unhappiness in (Iraq, Afghanistan & America), if another country did what he did, we would want them tried for war crimes.
We need a leader who has the capacity to CARE, forgive and lead. Hillary Clinton has my vote and $upport. Contact me: Lambright [at] gmail [com], I'm ready to help.
Gahhhhhhh! I consider myself Libertarian, and will likely vote along those lines in '08. But I'm fed up with the administration of the past 7 years as well. I just don't get this. The Dems have a cakewalk to win the Presidency in 2008 - all they have to do is screw it up. And what are they going to do? Put a woman or Black/Arab as the nomination? I hate Hillary Clinton, and would never vote for her. Seriously, the Dems will lose unless they find a mainstream candidate. Try the minority ticket after another 4 years....2008 needs to just stop the momentum the country is heading with. There's tons of people unhappy with the Republican administration of the past 7 years, but there's plenty more who would never vote for a woman OR a black man for President, at least not now.
Can someone explain to me why the Dems think this is a good idea?!?
Please explain WHY you hate Hillary Clinton.
Hate is a very strong emotion -- particularly when directed towards someone you do not know personally.
The corporate/career politician thing. Her views on violence in video games thing. The whole randomly moving to New York and becoming senator even though she'd never had anything to do with the state in the first place thing. She's just a career politician, and nothing more. Everything she does is a means to an end, which I imagine is to gain the Presidency. The country needs a change, but another Clinton is not it.
Edmic, at least we have some hope, Ron Paul is considering running, and I actually think he has the best chance he's ever had.
If Hilary wins, I think I'll go to live in Switzerland...
And they've got killer chocolate too.
Dear god no.
Hillary lost me when she started with that "violent video games" bull@!$%#. I'm pulling for Obama.
Unless I'm mistaken, Howard Dean did not become the Democratic Nominee in 2004 despite his early perceived lead?! She thusly has a fight on her hands, regardless of the high staus in the party...
Thats because Dean yelled his way out of the nomination. As long as she doesn't do something dumb she has a shot I think. At least at the nomination.
I honestly dont think she has a chance
And mostly do with the hate of Bush
A lot of people think this country is beginning to look like a monarchy and despite weather or not you agree, a lot of people dont want to continue the legacy of bush/clinton. It is bad enough that so called freedom means we have the choice between 2 people out of 300 million to elect to run the most powerful country on the planet but it is even worse to only choose out of two families rather than two parties.
She really should stay in the senate and run next time... but we need a break from the family power crap.
I agree with everything but the suggestion to stay in the Senate. I'm a New Yorker stuck with Hillary and I'd love to see her completely outside elected office. She's about two degrees of separation from GWB and more of the same corporate- -government, mafia style representation that we have had too much of for generations. Thankfully she has enough dirty laundry as part of her history she doesn't stand a prayer of passing muster in the blogosphere if it came to nomination.
It is bad enough that so called freedom means we have the choice between 2 people out of 300 million to elect to run the most powerful country on the planet
It doesn't mean that. You have a choice between everyone who decides to run for nomination, and there's no limit to the number of people who can do that. If more people got involved in the political process (instead, I'd argue, of just whining about how it's never going to change) the choice would be far broader.
Arggh. I seeded the Guardian story because I searched Newsvine (tags, text) and this story did not show. [Mike - y'all really need to work on the search tool!]
I have a 2008 Presidential straw poll (Rs and Ds) on my blog at About.com, if anyone is interested.
I dislike Hillary for a number of political reasons, but the disagreeable aspect of her candidacy that trumps all others is the unsettled feeling I experience whenever I see her face on the television. I realize that aesthetics is a sorry and shallow basis on which to elect a president, but I feel that the sour , lemon-sucking expression inevitably perched on her age worn face might promote a subconscious animosity in our neighboring nations. Say what you like about George W. He was always amusing to watch on TV. But with Hillary it would be a chore, one that I don't feel up to for four years.
For almost every cheer, there was a shouted "Go home, Hillary!" and the emerging Republican theme that carpetbagger Clinton simply wanted to use New York as a launching pad for a later presidential run.
Lately it seems to me that the Republican party isn't getting very much right. However, they would appear to have hit this nail right on the head.
Does anybody know how Hillary polls among women? African-Americans lean to Hillary over Obama in polls, and I recall a poll that showed women prefer her by a wide margin. Anybody find data?
BTW, if Hillary does win, count on Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., to replace her in the US Senate. Dynasty?
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