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{"commentId":500367,"authorDomain":"CopenhagenDK"}

Sudan would have been a nightmare selection. The African Union seems to have defied its critics by making a different choice. Will this make a difference for Darfur?

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Reply#1 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:50 AM EST
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{"commentId":500378,"authorDomain":"mickmcn17"}

I wonder if the United States will do anything substantial to help the African Union and the UN end the genocide in the Sudan, or will there be more pap and slurry, signifying nothing? If you doubt the war in Iraq is about anything but oil, look to the non-participation of American forces in Darfur. Kinda smacks of racism too. After all, only black people are getting killed, starved, raped, dispossessed. If George won't even help African Americans in New Orleans, why would he spare even one troop to help a Fur village recover after the janjaweed destroyed its crops and burned its structures? Bush only cares about Africans like Dikembe Mutombo who can write big checks. What a shameful president.

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    Reply#2 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:02 AM EST
    {"commentId":500393,"authorDomain":"prez"}

    Did you notice no one else is helping them either?

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    #2.1 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:17 AM EST
    {"commentId":500484,"authorDomain":"jibberjabber"}

    Are we really admitting that absolutely nothing can be done by the international community with involvement from the U.S. True I bash the current US administration as much as the next person but you cannot blame them for absolutely everything that goes on in the world. Conversely if the US was actually helping every country it could in the world with a positive effect people would no doubt blaming them for not helping absolutely everyone.

    My point is that it is extremely disappointing to think that nothing of great importance in the world can be accomplished without the involvement of the US in that decision.

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    #2.2 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:21 AM EST
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    {"commentId":500541,"authorDomain":"CopenhagenDK"}

    As the name might indicate, I know a little bit about Denmark, and I can tell you that Denmark's assistance to Darfur consists of words. Words are hard to hide behind when someone is shooting at you.

    Are we really going to wait - again - for the UN to do something? Or did we try that in Darfur? And Liberia? And Congo? Etcetera ad infinitum.

    And finally, what exactly is it that China helping Mugabe does to benefit the people of Zimbabwe? The last thing Africa's dictators need is more foreign money.

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    #2.4 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:44 AM EST
    {"commentId":500548,"authorDomain":"CopenhagenDK"}

    Does Darfur remind anyone else of Rwanda? And we're going to wait for the Americans to come and fix it for us? Perhaps they're a little busy.

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      #2.5 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:46 AM EST
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      {"commentId":500568,"authorDomain":"mickmcn17"}

      Guido is right about Europe, and I would add Norway and France to the list. China perhaps is more problematic. China needs raw materials, Africa has them cheap (in Zimbabwe they are so cheap that it might better be termed "stealing") and China can give expertise (engineers, economist, etc.) as part of the bargain. The wise African leaders are the ones who will pluck the knowledge China can offer and not just the bridges and dams they can help build. Bridges and dams will crumble and fall. Knowledge, if guarded and enhanced, will live forever and can improve one's country even after the Chinese go home.

      Now as to the U.S. role (or lack thereof) in Africa: the U.S. economy is by far the biggest in the world. When the U.S. in effect bars small African countries like Malawi or Benin from trading with Americans because the only products they have that U.S. consumers want are agricultural and the U.S. is standing by Big Ag here in the states, then what the U.S. is effectively doing is standing on the throats of the Malawians and Beninois and politely insisting we are doing everything we can to help them, they just don't want to help themselves. To be sure, the AGOA (African Growth and Opportunities Act) Third Country Fabric Provision, which was just extended last week, is a small step toward helping these struggling economies, but it is like giving a thimble-full of water to a thristy man when you are sitting on a reservoir.

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        #2.7 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:57 AM EST
        {"commentId":500732,"authorDomain":"CopenhagenDK"}

        A stadium?

        Blood diamonds. Years and years of brutal cĂ­vil war. Child soldiers. AIDS. Economic and societal collapse.

        How exactly is a stadium supposed to help Sierra Leone?

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        #2.8 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:27 PM EST
        {"commentId":501238,"authorDomain":"prez"}
        "I'm not saying it's right, just that Chinese investment is succeeding because they don't set high benchmarks." His example has been repeated across the continent

        I know the poor folks in West Virginia and Tennessee would sure be a lot better off if they had a stadium! Why, they could do all sorts of things there, like not be able to afford to watch a game, or sell peanuts and drinks to the few who can.

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          #2.9 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:35 PM EST
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          {"commentId":500411,"authorDomain":"mickmcn17"}

          Actually, many European and Australian aid organizations have been helping, but as they are not armed, the task is difficult. The International Herald Tribune is reporting just today (via AP) that Medicins du Monde (Doctors of the World), a leading French aid group, has "suspended its activities in Darfur for an undetermined period of time" because the violence posed too great a risk to its workers. The U.N. is "poised" to intervene, but without impetus from the U.S., they may "poise" for a great while longer and not get around to intervening.

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            Reply#3 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:30 AM EST
            {"commentId":500468,"authorDomain":"CopenhagenDK"}

            Why do we always have to wait for the US to fix our problems? Why did it take them to make the Dayton peace plan and end the war in Bosnia? Where was the EU? What did the UN accomplish in Bosnia? They accomplished nothing.
            Why do we always wait for America to decide to do something before doing something ourselves? Yesterday was Holocaust Day and all the talk about "never again" nearly made me ill. Never again? It happens every day! Is it because they're not white that we don't care? All we do is send bandages and our "concern".
            Forget George Bush. Why can't the remaining 200-odd countries and their 7 billion-plus people do something to stop this? Is it because we're waiting for George Bush to tell us what to do, or is it because we can't pull ourselves together enough to do anything other than watch yet another genocide on TV?

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            Reply#4 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:12 AM EST
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