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{"commentId":514664,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
British officials also had asked their U.S. counterparts to release the material to the family but had been rebuffed.
"The main thing to stress is that we have always had a very clear view that what matters is the information should be available to the family and — whilst the Americans cannot be legally obliged to help — they should do so, bearing in mind they are our allies,"
Nice allies.
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- 9 votes
#1 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 6:57 AM EST{"commentId":514918,"authorDomain":"timlarsen"}
Pamela,
You always know what to say ;)
If you recall, all wars have friendly fire issues, and this is not the 1st of it s kind in this conflict/war.
Pat Tillman, the NFL star who took on his "responsibilities" was killed by friendly fire for the US.
Plus, for the number of British Troops on the ground in Iraq, their numbers of killed are getting up there as well.
This is one mess that is getting progressively worse and worse.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":514675,"authorDomain":"keld"}
Watch the video at LiveLeak.
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- 6 votes
#2 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 7:12 AM EST{"commentId":514784,"authorDomain":"WriterX"}
Thanks Keld.
The video is over 13 min long. The important part is this:
ERROR ONE came when they asked the Forward Air Controller, call sign Manila Hotel, if friendly forces were around the Iraqi vehicles — not to the west.
In ERROR TWO neither pilot gave the precise grid references for the Household Cavalry patrol to double check its identity.
ERROR THREE saw them convince themselves the identification panels were really orange rocket launchers.
In ERROR FOUR POPOV36 decides to attack, saying he is "rolling in" — without permission from the Forward Air Controller. POPOV35 asks for artillery to fire a marker round into the target area to clear up confusion.
But ERROR FIVE came when POPOV36 attacked without waiting for it. In ERROR SIX POPOV36 strafes the column for a second time but still doubts its identity.
You don't really see anything in the video, it's pretty much just audio.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":514903,"authorDomain":"keld"}
This doesn't look too good either:
The soldiers were being approached by a crowd of civilians carrying a white flag when they were attacked.
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{"commentId":514724,"authorDomain":"stephan"}
This happened four years ago and I remember back when it happened that the U.S. did not deny it was a friendly fire incident. I do not see what the release of the video does except stir up the memories of friends and family of the soldier.
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#3 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 8:17 AM EST{"commentId":515088,"authorDomain":"keld"}
Here's a response from his widow:
- She said last night: "I'm very relieved this is being made public at long last. I can't believe these pilots can discuss what they're doing so casually when these are the last moments of my husband's life."
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":515175,"authorDomain":"stephan"}
Thanks for the link. They are casual up to the point where they realized what they had done. Pilots (and soldiers) must separate themselves from the job they are doing somewhat or it could take a serious toll mentally.
My other point still stands, the Americans never denied the incident so what is the point of the video? To try and make these pilots look bad? Like vic-5 stated below, the blame lies with the FAC, not with the pilots, they were doing what they were told.
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{"commentId":515614,"authorDomain":"martinez"}
I can't believe these pilots can discuss what they're doing so casually when these are the last moments of my husband's life."
If these men dealt with issues like this the way the "rest of us" do, they could not be in the positions they are hold... The wife of a military man does not realize this?
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{"commentId":514857,"authorDomain":"vik-5"}
Seems to me that the pilots are not to blame. They checked that there were no friendly units in the area and were assured that there were indeed none by "MANILLA Hotel". Blame the FAC not the pilot who was simply carrying out his mission
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- 3 votes
#5 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 9:55 AM EST{"commentId":514889,"authorDomain":"stephan"}
Good point.
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{"commentId":515115,"authorDomain":"se1f"}
Hm, the video makes me sad....
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- 1 vote
#6 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 11:43 AM EST{"commentId":515604,"authorDomain":"smaran"}
It makes me sadder.
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{"commentId":515648,"authorDomain":"affinity"}
Very sad, but it sounds like they were given the go-ahead. IMO it was not the fault of the piolots
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- 1 vote
#7 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 3:34 PM EST{"commentId":517578,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
In most of these situations, tired stressed people in impossible situations make very understandable, human errors. The problem comes when the bureaucracy cranks out lies to sell the idea that the wole boondoggle isn't a haphazard killing spree, which it is. It is keeping the lid on the propaganda lies that's at fault.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":517878,"authorDomain":"stephan"}
Pamela, can you point out anywhere where the U.S. government has attempted to cover up this incident or make it out to be something it is not?
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