White House, Cheney's Office Subpoenaed

As good as Cheney claiming that his office is not part of the Executive Branch.

dem or repub- don't you think people have to follow the rules?

"Do what we say, or you're dead" - the GOP's campaigning in a nutshell.

The dems will not be happy until we are attacked again. I particularly enjoyed the threat to defund Cheney's office this week.

What gives you the idea that the Dems want us to be attacked? That's a pretty evil thing to say about 50% of the country.

Also, you have no problem with Cheney bascially saying he is above the Constitution and is his own branch of the government? Rahm E. isn't defunding him, just giving Cheney what he gets for being in the legislative branch. If Cheney doesn't want to be in the executive branch, he has to take it all the way.

What gives you the idea that the Dems want us to be attacked? That's a pretty evil thing to say about 50% of the country.

It's not about the reasoning behind it, it's the effect that saying something like that has. It keeps the focus on the evil Democrats and away from the good Christian Republicans.

The gop refused to give the dems this exact power.. and yet now it is the dems that wont be happy until we are attacked again.
well the GOp wont be happy until our constituion only exists in history.
Is it worth destroying our entire way of life, to protect us against somethign that kills less of us than deer, year after year?

Sorry giving up our way of life and traveling down the paths of evil(aka torture) isnt worth it and if you recall the the terrorists dotn hate us because we have more bases than there ar ecountries on the planet or push our adgenda down peoples throats, but they hate us for our freedoms, so we fight them by dumping those freedoms??? well to me that means osama won. and personally i didnt vote of osama.

Oh, please! Cheney was claiming he wasn't part of the executive branch. What do you want the Democrats to do, waste tax payer dollars by paying for an executive branch position that doesn't exist, according to the man occupying the office? Rep. Emanuel (D-IL) clearly stated his case that Cheney should only be funded through his legislative pay only and not in addition to his executive pay as well: "[Cheney] is acting like he's unaccountable to anybody…and he's taking an unbelievable step saying he's not a member of the executive branch, he's a member of the legislative branch, therefore he doesn't have to provide information. … So I said, If that's your logic, then we shouldn't be funding you through the executive branch. Either Wednesday or Thursday my amendment will be on the floor, because the funding for the executive branch is on the floor. And I'll strike the money for the Vice President's Office. He can live off the Senate presidency budget that funds him up here. And that's fine. But if he's going to be funded in the executive branch, he complies with the rules that apply to everybody. He is not above the rules of the executive branch." Republicans seem to suffer from an amnesia of convenience.

It keeps the focus on the evil Democrats and away from the good Christian Republicans.

I forgot, Bush only wants good things for the country and is above reproach :)

The dems will not be happy until we are attacked again.

The US is under attack, from the inside fascists in the White house.

I swear, I thought they had stopped labeling everyone who disagrees with them as evil. Yes, "The dems will not be happy until we are attacked again", that's definitely implying that democrats are evil. They must really be insecure to stoop that low.

The dems will not be happy until we are attacked again.

You mean Bush and Cheney have a new wag the dog, Martial Law plan.

The dems will not be happy until we are attacked again. I particularly enjoyed the threat to defund Cheney's office this week. That was a good one.

Yes Lisaed as a Democrat I sit around just wishing and hopin we can be attacked again so Bush and company can react in a totally inappropriate manner. That has really worked out for us and your party too by the way. Get a clue!

We will only be attacked if the Bush crime family remains in power.

Due process is just that. Fairness and democracy take time. Nixon got a long and ultimately fair hearing on Watergate, and the fairness of the process was good for the country. By contrast, the Clinton impeachment hearings were a partisan kangaroo court. Better to let the process work. The consequences of not doing it right can last far longer than Bush and Cheney's regime.

I'm all for doing it right, jblossom. I would much prefer accountability and justice be served than a clumsy miscarriage hinting at skewed partisan motives.

Still I struggle with impatience having waited far too long for these investigations to start.

Due process is just that. Fairness and democracy take time

It's disturbing to see how the sausage gets made.

I know! There seems like nothing conservative at all in the opinions of many 'conservatives'! All that has seemed to have happened is that more and more and more and more money has been spent (where does it come from) by the government, and it seems to have grown grown grown grown (when do we stop). Even so, this is another story and another argument that should be made on a different thread.

The pro cheney crowd are like giggling schoolgirls chattering at the back of the class about their hunky heros, no substance,just quips.At least they have each other.

... by many on the left... The piercing and undeniable accuracy of FOX News.

Disowned is an interesting word,must be lonely having the solid proud core of your base just dropping away from you as you gamely spill the same old deflections that have held up so well for so long.

Would the act of disowning yourself be terminally painful I wonder?

Banish the thought. As long as there are people who can titter together about 'not showing sweat'

[interesting choice, not 'not sweating' but 'Never let 'em see ya sweat.' gosh that's almost an admission of sweat right there] then you will always have a sporting metaphor to base your political cheerleading on. If the present quality of political defense equaled cheerleaders legs you would have varicose veins and if breasts then double mastectomies,not pretty but then brittle insecurity never is, as I say,you have each other but it must be a little disconcerting pretending your unpopularity is a chosen asset,especially when your minority is dwindling such that you may eventually lack numbers even to hide behind.

I suppose the cruelest cut is to be pitied by those you despise. You have my sympathies.

Thanks for all the attention. Basking. Basking. Basking.

When Orin Hatch who is a rightie's rightie, sides with the Dems that is huge. I think the fact that the 3 most senior Republicans sided with the Democrats on this speaks volumes.

It kinda divides the "Republicans" from the "Bush supporters" in a tidy way--i.e. who is standing for the rule of law and who is standing for Bush.

This combined with the defeat of the immigration bill has as one pundit today put it "changed him from a lame duck president to a dead duck president".
People have lost faith in this government to lead. He could help himself by firing Gonzales but he is too dumb or too stubborn to do that. I don't have any sympathy for him. He has had many many chances to do the right thing and chooses the wrong path every time.

He is uncanny that way, isn't he? Sort of like a birddog in reverse. You can trust him to @!$%# up every time. The thing is, does he look for trouble to get into or does trouble find him? It's hard to tell sometimes.

Will the village which is missing its idiot kindly report to the Lost and Found at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.? We believe we have something for you.

Mike,

The thing is, does he look for trouble to get into or does trouble find him?

Not sure if you're referring here to Cheney (with your reference to hunting) or Bush, but thought your quip to be funny. I've been calling Bush my Troubled Liege for about a year and a half. Perhaps longer.

My Troubled Liege... that has a nice ring to it, Caltha. I've been thinking much worse things. I'd put one or two of them in this post but it would be deleted. Alas, some of them are pretty funny.

Kath, yea well this IS a family show. I'm sure between us we've a few choice R-rated names for Bush or Cheney.

What would you call it? Total information awareness perhaps?

You disgust is self-admittedly a bit of a handicap, if you cannot survive your inability to digest phrases that upset you then certainly you would need a govt that looked after your handicap for you.
Luckily there are those among your country who can cope where you cannot.

Security has been what practically every fascist regime has used to bend the people they govern to their will. Saying you'd rather have security than the freedoms we're guaranteed in our Constitution saddens me and I'm sure disgusts anyone who has ever read the Constitution.

Also, it's in our National Security to actually stop formation of Islamic militants instead of creating new ones, like the war in Iraq has done. But hey...why use logic?

It has become apparent to me that the majority of this countries population has no regard for National Security. When I arrived at the words "warrant-free eavesdropping" I was forced to discontinue my reading before disgust set in. When the safety of this country and the well-being of its citizens is being jeopardized; it no longer falls under the category of eavesdropping.

The majority of this country is more concerned about the attack on the constitution by Bush that any supposed gain on the war on terror by listening to millions of Americans calls and reading our mail. Funny about how the only people in this country entitled to privacy are in the Cheney administration.

Any society that gives up a small amount of freedom for a small amount of security loses both and deserves neither. -Ben Franklin.

ron

Perhaps you are old enough to remember when the nation pulled together in wartime or maybe your parents or grandparents told you about it.

Please tell us all what it was like.

Perhaps you are old enough to remember when the nation pulled together in wartime or maybe your parents or grandparents told you about it.

Back then the war (WWII) were justified, and not invented to help the oil companies like Iraq was.

I believe in those days, like these, the Bush clan was pushing the other way and profiting.

epiphany sorbet - I am sure you are not suggesting that we overlook high crimes and misdemeanors in the whitehouse as well as the subversion of the constitution in the mistaken belief that this is somehow pulling together in time of war are you? Tell me you see the difference between a political hatchet job and genuine impeachable offenses.

There were many times that Bush's party and supporters should have intervened and said "no, you're going too far. This is not in the best interests of our country or our Democracy". You did not. You are still in denial and are blaming the Democrats for your political problems when in reality it was your own party's willingness to rubber stamp and not exercise oversight. The chickens are coming home to roost.

During the various Clinton scandals, especially Whitewater, the Republicans often said something along the lines of, "If you have nothing to hide, just produce the documents."

To our executive branch, Cheney included, I say, "If you have nothing to hide, reveal everything."