Here you are Jason a well known novelist/"gay activist" Guy Hocquenghem signed this Petition. There are a 100 more I could post where gay activist have signed petitions and moved to remove laws protecting children. This is adult vs. child and gays together. So yes Jason, what with not worth the space used to refute. This is just and if you need more, I'll be happen to send them your way showing gays pushing for the removal of laws protecting children/ adult vs. child.
French petitions against age of consent laws
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Between 1977 and 1979, while a change in the French Penal Code was under discussion in the Parliament of France, a number of French intellectuals, including prominent names, signed petitions and open letters defending either the abolition of age of consent laws or the release of individuals arrested under charges of statutory rape.
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* 1 1977 petition addressed to the Parliament o 1.1 1977 petition to the Parliament - List of signatures * 2 1978 radio conversation between Foucault, Hocquenghem and Danet * 3 Open letters published in French newspapers o 3.1 Le Monde – January 26, 1977 o 3.2 Signatories o 3.3 Libération – March, 1979 * 4 Footnotes * 5 References o 5.1 In English o 5.2 In French o 5.3 In Italian * 6 See also * 7 External links
[edit] 1977 petition addressed to the Parliament
In 1977, a petion was addressed to the parliament calling for the abrogation of several articles of the age-of-consent law and the decriminalization of all consented relations between adults and minors below the age of fifteen (the age of consent in France).
The document was signed by the philosophers Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida, Louis Althusser, Jean-Paul Sartre, Simone de Beauvoir and André Glucksmann, by the philosopher and semiotician Roland Barthes, by the "novelist/gay activist" Guy Hocquenghem, the actor/play-writer/jurist Jean Danet, the writer and filmmaker Alain Robbe-Grillet (elected in 2004 a member of the Académie Française), the writer Philippe Sollers, the pediatrician and child psychoanalyst Françoise Dolto and also by people belonging to a wide range of political positions. [1]
[edit] 1977 petition to the Parliament - List of signatures
* Alain Robbe-Grillet * André Glucksmann * Françoise Dolto * Guy Hocquenghem * Jacques Derrida * Jean Danet * Jean-Paul Sartre * Louis Althusser * Michel Foucault * Philippe Sollers * Roland Barthes * Simone de Beauvoir * and "people belonging to a wide range of political positions".[2]
This reminds me of a farmer doing nothing until the coyote breaks into the chicken coup and eats the chickens. "Man I wish I had done something before hand". OMG wake up!!!
Or like someone shooting coyotes just because they're coyotes, even if the coop is concrete.
nice.
I have heard this man is the most hated man in America. I would highly doubt that because, I didn't not know this guy existed until a few days ago. And while I am think this guys should be taken off the streets, I do not hate him. He is a man with who has admitted he has these feelings and fantasies. I think it is brave of him to be forward to us about this so that we can protect our children from him. So, no I don't hate him for who he is and what he has said. I just wish someone would now do the right thing and get him the help he needs. Why wait until he does something illegal to get him help? We are a foolish nation because we turn our backs on people who are in obvious need to be taken from society. And then when they "suprisingly" does something wrong, we want to then throw the book at them. Stupid society.
Jopo said in a previous comment:
'What you have to understand is that pedophiles as minorities will eventually be accepted.'
Time to check into the Reality Hotel there, Jopo. Unless by 'accepted' you mean accepted by the receiving authorities at wherever prison a pedophile ends up. One of the things about raising a child is a social and moral obligation to keep kids away from predators.
ML Irons says:
'We are a foolish nation because we turn our backs on people who are in obvious need to be taken from society.'
Good point, but until someone actually commits the crime...they can't do the time. The guy in question regarding this article will cross the line sooner or later. When he does, I hope it is the father of the victim who gets his hands on the guy, first...then the police can have whatever is left.
patriotintellect: My comments would be the same whether I was American or from the planet Vega. It's a simple concept, and has zero to do with where I was born.
Anyone who attempts to exploit children sexually needs to be dealt with harshly. This is not rocket science, nor are there are higher intellectual questions here. Hurt a kid. Pay the price. What part of this concept escapes you?
patriotintellect: I am not espousing the idea of arresting the guy before he's actually done something wrong. I did object to Jopo's comment:
''What you have to understand is that pedophiles as minorities will eventually be accepted.'
I rather doubt this will ever be true. You may not believe this, but we're actually a lot closer on the issues than you think. If you research some of my articles here, you'll see this. National health care, for example.
In a post 9/11 world we can bust people at the airport, for just looking awkward.
Yet we can not take care of this sick man.
this is like a person admitting they are a terrorist, but have yet to commit any acts of terrorism.
a person admitting to be a terrorist would be slammed. and this guy should be slammed also.
what a sick guy.
If you were looking to debate my claim on whether or not pedophiles will be accepted, you better come harder then reality hotel and self-doubt. I quoted Bertrand to begin my part in the debate, I see no better reason to quote him once again, being the master of analytical debate, and the resident bell-hop of your reality hotel.
Let's move some luggage, "When the intensity of emotional conviction subsides, a man who is in the habit of reasoning will search for logical grounds in favour of the belief which he finds in himself. "
"Those who forget good and evil and seek only to know the facts are more likely to achieve good than those who view the world through the distorting medium of their own desires."
"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible. "
"Conventional people are roused to fury by departures from convention, largely because they regard such departures as a criticism of themselves. "
"Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones. "
"An individual may perceive a way of life, or a method of social organisation, by which more of the desires of mankind could be satisfied than under the existing method. If he perceives truly, and can persuade men to adopt his reform, he is justified. Without rebellion, mankind would stagnate, and injustice would be irremediable. "
"As soon as we abandon our own reason, and are content to rely upon authority, there is no end to our troubles. "
"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way. Persecution is used in theology, not in arithmetic, because in arithmetic there is knowledge, but in theology there is only opinion. "
"Neither acquiescence in skepticism nor acquiescence in dogma is what education should produce. What it should produce is a belief that knowledge is attainable in a measure, though with difficulty; that much of what passes for knowledge at any given time is likely to be more or less mistaken, but that the mistakes can be rectified by care and industry. In acting upon our beliefs, we should be very cautious where a small error would mean disaster; nevertheless it is upon our beliefs that we must act. This state of mind is rather difficult: it requires a high degree of intellectual culture without emotional atrophy. But though difficult, it is not impossible; it is in fact the scientific temper. Knowledge, like other good things, is difficult, but not impossible; the dogmatist forgets the difficulty, the skeptic denies the possibility. Both are mistaken, and their errors, when widespread, produce social disaster. "
and finally, why I'll wait for your next move...
"Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time. "
Have fun.
Very good Jopo,I can't wait to see the responce to your post .
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