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Redskins' Taylor Dies Day After Shooting

Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:01 AM EST
us-news, sports, nfl, obituaries, washington-redskins, taylor, pro-bowl, sean-taylor, richard-sharpstein
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<p>Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor (21) escapes the grasp of Detroit Lions tackle George Foster in the NFL football game at FedEx Field in Landover, Md. in this Oct. 7, 2007 file photo.  Taylor was shot as his Florida home, according to a statement released Monday, Nov. 26, 2007, by the team. (AP Photo/Nick Wass, File)</p>

Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor (21) escapes the grasp of Detroit Lions tackle George Foster in the NFL football game at FedEx Field in Landover, Md. in this Oct. 7, 2007 file photo. Taylor was shot as his Florida home, according to a statement released Monday, Nov. 26, 2007, by the team. (AP Photo/Nick Wass, File)

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MIAMI — Pro Bowl safety Sean Taylor died Tuesday after he was shot in his home by an apparent intruder, leaving the Washington Redskins in mourning for a teammate who seemed to have reordered his life since becoming a father.

The 24-year-old player died at Jackson Memorial Hospital, where he had been airlifted after the shooting early Monday.

"It is with deep regret that a young man had to come to his end so soon," father Pedro Taylor said in a statement on behalf of the family. "Many of his fans loved him because the way he played football. Many of his opponents feared him the way he approached the game. Others misunderstood him, many appreciated him and his family loved him."

A string of mourners, including Taylor's father, visited the player's home and embraced outside. Authorities entered the home, but it was unclear what they were doing.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said the league will honor Taylor's memory at all games this weekend.

"This is a terrible tragedy involving the loss of a young man who leaves behind many people struggling to understand it," he said in a statement.

Redskins coach Joe Gibbs said what he would remember most about Taylor was his excitement about playing football.

"God made him to play football," Gibbs said Tuesday during a news conference. "To me, he just loved and thrived on the competition part of it. ... Sean, he loved football. He loved these guys here."

Gibbs acknowledged it will be hard to concentrate on football this week.

"I don't know how we'll deal with it, except we'll all do it together," he said.

Fans already had begun a makeshift memorial by laying flowers on a field near the front entrance to the Redskins' practice facility in Ashburn, Va.

"This is a terrible, terrible tragedy," Redskins owner Daniel Snyder said.

He added the team would honor Taylor with a patch on the jersey and the No. 21 on the helmet.

Redskins teammate Clinton Portis also played with Taylor at the University of Miami. He had sensed a new maturity in his close friend.

"It's hard to expect a man to grow up overnight," Portis said. "But ever since he had his child, it was like a new Sean, and everybody around here knew it. He was always smiling, always happy, always talking about his child."

Two bouquets were left by a palm tree outside a front gate of Taylor's home. Beside the mailbox, an untouched newspaper lay with news of his shooting.

Taylor's death comes nearly a year after Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams was killed in a drive-by shooting following an argument at a Denver nightclub on Jan. 1. University of Miami defensive lineman Bryan Pata was shot to death in November 2006 several miles from Taylor's home in an unsolved killing.

"Sean has been a close friend of mine since our days at the University of Miami," New York Jets linebacker Jonathan Vilma said in a statement. "He was a great teammate and an even greater person. It is so hard for me to fathom that I am not going to be able to pick up the phone to call him."

Doctors had been encouraged late Monday when Taylor squeezed a nurse's hand, according to Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins' vice president of football operations. But family friend Richard Sharpstein said he was told Taylor never regained consciousness after being taken to the hospital.

"Maybe he was trying to say goodbye or something," Sharpstein said.

Taylor, the fifth overall pick in the 2004 NFL draft following an All-American season at Miami, was shot early Monday in the upper leg, damaging the key femoral artery and causing significant blood loss.

Trauma experts said a serious wound to this large artery, leading from the abdomen through the upper thigh, is among the most difficult to fix and can quickly drain the body of blood. Too long a blood loss prevents oxygen from reaching the brain and vital organs.

"According to a preliminary investigation, it appears that the victim was shot inside the home by an intruder," Miami-Dade County police said in a statement. "We do not have a subject description at this time."

The attack came eight days after an intruder was reported at Taylor's home. Officers were sent to the home about 1:45 a.m. Monday after Taylor's girlfriend called 911.

Sharpstein said Taylor's girlfriend told him the couple was awakened by loud noises, and Taylor grabbed a machete he keeps in the bedroom for protection. Someone then broke through the bedroom door and fired two shots, one missing and one hitting Taylor, Sharpstein said. Taylor's 1-year-old daughter, Jackie, was also in the house, but neither she nor Taylor's girlfriend was injured.

Police found signs of forced entry, but have not determined if they were caused Monday or during the previous burglary.

The shooting happened in the pale yellow house Taylor bought two years ago. In last week's break-in, police said someone pried open a front window, rifled through drawers and left a kitchen knife on a bed.

Taylor starred as a running back and defensive back at Gulliver Prep in Miami. His father is police chief of Florida City.

A private man with a small inner circle, Taylor rarely granted interviews. But, behind the scenes, Taylor was described as personable and smart.

After Taylor was drafted, problems soon began. Taylor fired his agent, then skipped part of the NFL's mandatory rookie symposium, drawing a $25,000 fine. Driving home late from a party during the season, he was pulled over and charged with drunken driving. The case was dismissed in court, but by then it had become a months-long distraction for the Redskins.

Taylor also was fined at least seven times for late hits, uniform violations and other infractions over his first three seasons, including a $17,000 penalty for spitting in the face of an opponent during a 2006 playoff game.

Taylor endured a yearlong legal battle after he was accused in 2005 of brandishing a gun at a man during a fight over allegedly stolen all-terrain vehicles near Taylor's home. He eventually pleaded no contest to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to 18 months' probation.

Taylor said the end of the assault case was like "a gray cloud" being lifted. It was also around the time that his daughter was born, and teammates noticed a change.

On the field, Taylor's play was often erratic. Assistant coach Gregg Williams frequently called Taylor the best athlete he'd ever coached, but nearly every big play was mitigated by a blown assignment. Taylor led the NFL in missed tackles in 2006 yet made the Pro Bowl because of his reputation as one of the hardest hitters in the league.

This year, however, Taylor was allowed to play a true free safety position, using his speed and power to chase down passes and crush would-be receivers. His five interceptions tie for the league lead in the NFC, even though he missed the last two games because of a sprained knee.

"I just take this job very seriously," Taylor said in a rare group interview during training camp. "It's almost like, you play a kid's game for a king's ransom. And if you don't take it serious enough, eventually one day you're going to say, 'Oh, I could have done this, I could have done that.'

"So I just say, 'I'm healthy right now, I'm going into my fourth year, and why not do the best that I can?' And that's whatever it is, whether it's eating right or training myself right, whether it's studying harder, whatever I can do to better myself."

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Associated Press Writer Jessica Gresko in Miami and AP Sports Writer Joseph White in Ashburn, Va., contributed to this report.

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Scott Isaacs

Wow... just wow. So young and so talented and all of that is gone now because of someone that intentionally set out to murder him.

I really hope that the Miami Hurricanes program is looked at closely and this "thug" mentality rooted out because too many of the former 'Canes have met with bad endings and Taylor's is the worst of all. I mourn for his daughter that will never get to know her father. :-(

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Reply#1 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:37 AM EST
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Ramon Lo

As a long time Hurricane fan dating back to Howard Schnellenberger, I've seen many Canes of questionable character come and go. There have been many non thug Canes as well who were great players and of great character and did great things on and off the field. Unfortunately, the one thug in every let's say five good guys is the one that gets the most attention. It's only natural that one bad headline is more powerful than five good ones.

Having grown up with the Canes during their heydey where they portrayed themselves with an arrogance of being better than opponent, it's easy for the rest of the country to hate on them. I can really only think of four Canes who were killed in the last 20 or so years. Jerome Brown in a car accident, Al Blades in a car accident, Bryan Pata was murdered and now Sean Taylor was shot.

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#1.1 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:15 AM EST
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Scott Isaacs

I don't think I'm hating on them. I'm disappointed that a university didn't find a way to help keep these kids out of trouble. The program should be helping them avoid run-ins with the law and violence off the field, not abetting it... don't you agree Ramon Lo?

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#1.2 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:20 AM EST
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Ramon Lo

I wasn't saying you specifically. Down here there is a conspiracy (and I guess I fell into it as well) how nationally NCAAF is against UM and portrays it in a negative light (with brawls like the one with FIU that can be reviewed over and over on YouTube I don't blame them).

I do agree with you that the university should be doing something to curb this type of violence...I don't know if UM has something in place (I hope they do). The school seems to be trying to correct its reputation. but they've been trying that for years.

I know i'm going to sound like I'm stereotyping but many of the inner city kids who get recruited to UM just cannot get out from under the inner city thug mentality. They can't get away from their 'boys'. SEE Michael Vick. Taylor had his run ins with the law and I would not be surprised that if they do catch his killer they will find out it was not necessarily random but connected to Taylor somehow.

Whether it's UM, college or Pro it's a loss of a life and a talented player. I got to see Sean Taylor play at Miami and he was phenomenal. It is tragic.

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    #1.3 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:05 AM EST
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    Scott Isaacs

    I actually remember I think it was his first preseason game for the Skins he caught my attention because he made SportsCenter with a very athletic interception and run back for a TD. I was impressed with his versatility to tackle but also to be agile and cover very well. If not for this I believe he would have had many more productive years in the NFL and possibly an induction into the Hall of Fame. With his talent it was a possibility. Very tragic and very unfortunate.

    As for inner city youth, I think that you are right about their cultural influences. Charles Barkley said that when he was growing up the older males would tell the young boys to get the hell out of there if they were trying to gamble with them or drink or something and now they welcome them into the circle and encourage them to ever more self-destructive behavior. I think this is a desperate reality for them and a growing problem for not just the young athletes that grab our attention, but the other boys we never see that get caught up in it and killed before they can make a name for themselves.

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    #1.4 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:17 AM EST
    {"commentId":1219574,"authorDomain":"ramonlo"}
    Ramon Lo

    True. It is horrible that talent was wasted. Even more so because he was supposedly turning his life around and becoming a better person.

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    #1.5 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:34 AM EST
    {"commentId":1219583,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
    Bill Harrison

    All of this is no doubt true of others but not Sean Taylor. His father is the police chief of Florida City, FL and Sean went to a prep school in high school, Gulliver Prep, that counts among its alumni the president's niece and nephew. The only serious runin he had with the law (other than an alleged DWI on the Beltway that was later thrown out) was over some people he thought had tried to steal some ATVs he owned.

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    #1.6 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:37 AM EST
    {"commentId":1220014,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
    Scott Isaacs

    Someone that had a bone to pick with his dad then? Or perhaps an enemy he made through a teammate at UM?

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      #1.7 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:46 PM EST
      {"commentId":1220097,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
      Bill Harrison

      Hard to say on that score but doesn't look like any ordinary b&e to me. Looks more like a hit.

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        #1.8 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:20 PM EST
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        AdipicAcid

        Agreed, Bill. From what we've seen so far, this was rather well planned. The only thing that bothers me as far as an intentional hit is the extent of his injuries. A pro would have finished the job with a headshot while he was down, I think. Or maybe I watch too much TV.

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          #1.9 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:29 PM EST
          {"commentId":1220161,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
          Scott Isaacs

          AdipicAcid:

          Agreed, Bill. From what we've seen so far, this was rather well planned. The only thing that bothers me as far as an intentional hit is the extent of his injuries. A pro would have finished the job with a headshot while he was down, I think. Or maybe I watch too much TV.

          I am inclined to agree with you. If I were to assess this simply on what I know of the previous B&E and the murder itself I would conclude thusly:
          1) The original B&E was an attempt to "roust" Taylor and intimidate him by disturbing his belongings and leaving the knife on the bed in clear view
          2) Someone on a normal B&E does not come into the house armed with a handgun, they almost always get the handgun from the victim of the B&E
          3) The shot to the thigh that severed the femoral artery was an accidental kill shot
          4) This was an inexperienced killer that either got nervous, misfired and hit Taylor in the leg severing his femoral artery by luck of the draw or he meant to scare Taylor and accidentally killed him by popping him in the leg thinking he could teach him a lesson and leave him alive that way
          5) Whomever did this was specifically after Taylor I am 99% sure because of their bringing the firearm to the B&E combined with the previous B&E and obvious threat of the knife on the bed
          6) If I had to guess, the police are likely looking at anyone that had a personal grudge against Taylor, his girlfriend, his father or an immediate family member. The working theory is that Taylor was not randomly targeted and that he was either being intentionally maimed or intentionally murdered.

          That's just from what I have read though... other information coming to the public's knowledge could change the complexion of the case. The police likely (hopefully) know some things that we do not and that will lead them to the killer.

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          #1.10 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:46 PM EST
          {"commentId":1220165,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
          Bill Harrison

          That's true enough. I'd still be looking for some kind of domestic angle through an acquaintance or maybe the girlfriend. It's all just idle speculation at this point though. Some guy on the Post's comments section actually had the nerve to speculate on this would affect next season's salary cap.

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            #1.11 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:46 PM EST
            {"commentId":1220181,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
            Scott Isaacs

            Bill:

            Some guy on the Post's comments section actually had the nerve to speculate on this would affect next season's salary cap.

            That's pretty sick and twisted, Bill. I think the Post has an insensitive user or, at worst, a sociopath on their site.

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            #1.12 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:52 PM EST
            {"commentId":1220192,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}
            AdipicAcid

            More likely a fourteen year old who thought it would be "cool" or "funny." He's probably lost nothing more dear to him than a pet hamster he actually intentionally fed to the cat.

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              #1.13 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:54 PM EST
              {"commentId":1220213,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
              Scott Isaacs

              AdipicAcid:
              It probably is... and what a gem that one will grow up to be, eh?

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                #1.14 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:02 PM EST
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                {"commentId":1219011,"authorDomain":"marilynl"}
                Marilyn L

                I listened to the reports last night, and it was moving to hear Coach Gibbs concern and show of emotion while he was still alive. What a waste of a life. So sad.

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                Reply#2 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:52 AM EST
                {"commentId":1219105,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}
                AdipicAcid

                Yes, for all the carping that the game has passed him by, Gibbs remains a class act and a man of real character. Unlike certain coaches in this league, no matter how much they win.

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                #2.1 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:37 AM EST
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                {"commentId":1219124,"authorDomain":"vicaxp"}
                vicaxp

                I just spoke to a good friend of mine who was part of Sean's "inner circle" and all he could say was that everyone,; friends, family, etc is just in shock and devestated!

                My thoughts and meditations go out to his family and most importantly his baby!

                He will be missed!

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                Reply#3 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:45 AM EST
                {"commentId":1219142,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
                Scott Isaacs

                vicaxp:
                Did s/he happen to mention what they suspect happened and who they suspect did it? I read that about a week beforehand someone had broken in, rifled through his things and left a knife on his bed and they were investigating a connection. I was wondering if it was a personal dispute, robbery or some other motive. I hope they're able to arrest and convict the person(s) responsible.

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                Reply#4 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:55 AM EST
                {"commentId":1219264,"authorDomain":"vicaxp"}
                vicaxp

                Scott,
                Per the family's request, no additional information is to be let out on the news etc until the investigation is complete, so to honor their reqeust, I am unable to discuss anything more than what I have said already. Thanks for understanding.

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                #4.1 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:47 AM EST
                {"commentId":1219370,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
                Scott Isaacs

                Certainly. I do hope that you also understand my asking since you mentioned that you are close with a member of his inner circle. I was sure that if there were anything else that could be shared responsibly in accordance with the family's wishes that you would.

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                #4.2 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:29 AM EST
                {"commentId":1220274,"authorDomain":"vicaxp"}
                vicaxp

                Scott,
                I truly appreciate your understanding. Things are terrible on this end and the 'child', I am assure he/she will be taken care of! I've been told time and time again, this is just a game and though we on the outside seem to (often) feel otherwise, the reality is that it realy is ONLY a game...and not LIFE!

                We will miss you, Sean!

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                #4.3 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:21 PM EST
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                {"commentId":1219306,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
                Bill Harrison

                Those of us here in the Washington area, vix, adipic and me among us, are hard-pressed to believe this has happened. Former Redskins db Brig Owens is a colleague and I'll ask him about any new details later. What seems odd to me is that the house had no security system even after the recent break-in. This simply doesn't smell like a random b&e to me that ended up a murder. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's some kind of connection between the shooter and Taylor or one of Sean's family members.

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                Reply#5 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:07 AM EST
                {"commentId":1219365,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
                Scott Isaacs

                I was surprised that Taylor kept a machete rather than a handgun. I keep a handgun for personal protection in my home and I would recommend that anyone with the money to purchase a good one (about $600 to a couple thousand dollars) do so if they are interested in killing an intruder. Having also already taken a concealed carry course, have a plan in case of a break-in so that everyone in your immediate family is isolated with you in a room (preferably the master bedroom) with a cell phone to call 911 and your firearm aimed outward from the defensive corner that you've chosen. At least Sean would have had a fighting chance with his own firearm.

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                #5.1 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:27 AM EST
                {"commentId":1221504,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}
                AdipicAcid

                Taylor could not possess a handgun as one of the terms of his probation. Sometimes our mistakes have large consequences.

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                  #5.2 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:39 PM EST
                  {"commentId":1221857,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
                  Scott Isaacs

                  AdipicAcid:
                  That is certainly the truth. Not having a handgun may have cost Taylor his life, although there is no way to know for sure because it is being said that he crossed to the bedroom door to lock it after he got his machete and that was the point at which the door was broken down and the two shots fired. If he'd had his own firearm at least he would have had the opportunity to set up away from the bedroom door and return fire when they broke the door down.

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                  #5.3 - Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:35 AM EST
                  {"commentId":1223169,"authorDomain":"ArbitraryIntelligence"}
                  Arbitrary Intelligence

                  Bill were you listening to DC101(Elliot) this morning?

                  It seems to me that his fiance would be a prime suspect. There are a few reasons: this occurred at a vacation home, he was shot in the groin, the phone line was not cut as she said, and the security system was shut off.

                  I'm not that read up on this, but from what I do know it looks bad for her.

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                    #5.4 - Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:59 PM EST
                    {"commentId":1223293,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
                    Bill Harrison

                    No, I don't listen to radio in the a.m. as I take Metro from my place in Arlington to work downtown. I'm not sure there's any connection with the fiancee who incidentally is Andy Garcia's niece. Nor was this Sean's second home. It was his primary residence and his townhouse in Ashburn was his second home. According to today's WaPo he kept the machete for doing yard work which he enjoyed. He also liked to fish with neighborhood kids in the lake behind his townhouse here. By all accounts a very nice fellow when you got to know him.

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                      #5.5 - Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:27 PM EST
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                      Arbitrary Intelligence

                      That's what I get for listening to entertaining radio.

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                        #5.6 - Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:38 PM EST
                        {"commentId":1223627,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}
                        AdipicAcid

                        DC101 gave Howard Stern his start: they've been proudly hiring ignorant morons for going on thirty years.

                        I remember when Howard actually had to play music and not just blather. And you kids get the hell off of my lawn, dammit!

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                          #5.7 - Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:43 PM EST
                          {"commentId":1224463,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
                          Scott Isaacs

                          Bill:

                          He also liked to fish with neighborhood kids in the lake behind his townhouse here. By all accounts a very nice fellow when you got to know him.

                          :-(

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                          #5.8 - Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:28 PM EST
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                          {"commentId":1219347,"authorDomain":"abenton"}
                          Andrew Benton

                          The school strikes again. This is really sad though. Hope justice prevails.

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                          Reply#6 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:20 AM EST
                          {"commentId":1219358,"authorDomain":"jwbuchan"}
                          jamiewb

                          This news is shocking and very sad. Rest in peace Sean.

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                            Reply#7 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:25 AM EST
                            {"commentId":1220092,"authorDomain":"SirAce79"}
                            SirAce79

                            In conversation this morning after we found out that Sean Taylor had indeed passed, my colleague remarked, "What is the world coming to?" That made got me to thinking. The world will be fine, it will be here until the sun burns out. Through fire, flood, or frost the world might purge the impurities and contaminations bestowed upon it by its non-consent seeking inhabitants, along with said inhabitants. But the world will always be here. The future of the human race however, is another question all together.

                            Specifically it got me thinking about guns. I value the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution granting the right to bear arms. I don't ever plan on owning a gun, but if that's your bag, so be it and may you never have to use it. My point is that while the NRA, et al, will staunchly advocate a broad interpretation of the Second Amendment and others will seek the tightest of firearm restrictions (restrictions that obviously won't apply to any illegally obtained firearm), where are all of our leaders in voicing a goal to eliminate the circumstances that lead people to desire possession of a firearm? The NRA, our neo-conservative Executive Branch, Democrats, Republicans, etc., should all be united in a very visible, very aggressive effort to rid the human race, not of guns per say, but of the circumstances that lead to gun acquisition, both legal and illegal.

                            As a race, we have achieved so much. Advances in medicine, art, technology, etc. are incredible. But one thing that we have truly excelled at is finding new ways to kill each other, new reasons to hate each other, all the while not forgetting about the old ways to kill and reasons to hate. So what is the world coming to? Wrong question. What is the human race coming to? Look around, the answers are all over the place.

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                            Reply#8 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:19 PM EST
                            {"commentId":1221147,"authorDomain":"abowhite45"}
                            abowhite45

                            There is more to follow this story. Somethings just don't add up and I believe the investigation with turn up more then meets the eye.

                            My heart and prayers go out to his family.

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                            Reply#9 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:02 PM EST
                            {"commentId":1221524,"authorDomain":"charles4000"}
                            analog ninja

                            clearly a hit, knife left on bed, etc...

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                            Reply#10 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:49 PM EST
                            {"commentId":1222582,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
                            Bill Harrison

                            I'd say the odds on that are pretty good. Nothing was taken from the house in either of the break-ins.

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                              #10.1 - Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:15 AM EST
                              {"commentId":1225879,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}
                              AdipicAcid

                              Not according to the police this morning. They are treating this as a random break and enter with tragic results. Again, a hit man would have been more certain of the job, and very likely would have left no witnesses to call the police.

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                                #10.2 - Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:10 AM EST
                                {"commentId":1226339,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
                                Bill Harrison

                                Don't know what to make of it. Too many conflicting details. Now it turns out that the phone line wasn't cut. Still, if it's a b&e why wasn't anything taken? If it was it must have been one dumb burglar. And, of course, we have Antrell Rolle coming out and saying that Sean had losts of enemies in Miami who were out for him.

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                                  #10.3 - Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:31 AM EST
                                  {"commentId":1226561,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}
                                  AdipicAcid

                                  One possibility is that the burglar(s) thought the house was empty, realized it wasn't, shot, and then panicked. It's plausible, but we have no way of knowing right now.

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                                    #10.4 - Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:23 PM EST
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                                    {"commentId":1233772,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}
                                    Dr Know

                                    This suddenly showed up on my tracker.

                                    Are any of you amazed at the level of pure speculation that went on here about it being a 'hit'.

                                    Three guys have admitted they were there to rip him off. They knew who he was. They thought he was going to be out of town. He died because he was shot in the groin which ruptured a major artery.

                                    He was concerned for his welfare but continued to live there "keeping it real".

                                    Don Imus said a few poorly chosen words. Massive outraged ensued. Four black men intent on ripping off another black man end up killing him but it is business as usually for Al and Jesse.

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                                      Reply#11 - Sat Dec 1, 2007 8:01 PM EST
                                      {"commentId":1233802,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
                                      Bill Harrison

                                      I always thought there was some connection with Sean and that it wasn't just a random b & e and that speculation appears to be 100% correct what with one of the guys having dated his sister and even being in the house on Thanksgiving where apparently a party was going on. I don't know much about his mother, Donna Junor, but it appears that she was less than ideal in the role of an adult supervisor.

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                                        #11.1 - Sat Dec 1, 2007 8:13 PM EST
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                                        {"commentId":1233817,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
                                        Scott Isaacs

                                        Oppression of black people is Jesse Jackson's thing and oppression of all people is Al Sharpton's. Bill Cosby's thing is the deterioration of the black family and black youth having bad role models. Imus was in Jackson and Sharpton's purview, Sean Taylor's murder is not because it isn't a civil rights issue. Four black young men killed another black young man, Q.E.D.

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                                        Reply#12 - Sat Dec 1, 2007 8:20 PM EST
                                        {"commentId":1233988,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
                                        Bill Harrison

                                        Yeah, I don't see a Jackson-Sharpton angle on this either. All I know is that apparently a young man of pretty good character who happened to be a pro athlete was murdered because one of his relatives chose to hang out with losers. I didn't know much about Sean personally even living in DC because he didn't talk to the press. What really got to me the other night was a neighbor here's story about how he liked to fish with their children in the lake behind the townhouse development he lived in here. Truly sad.

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                                        #12.1 - Sat Dec 1, 2007 9:50 PM EST
                                        {"commentId":1236047,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}
                                        Dr Know

                                        Pretty good character? He skipped the rookie orientation. He spit in the face of an opponent on the field. He was fined several time for late hits. He was arrested for a DUI. He was arrested for waving a pistol and was able to plead to probation. He sounds more like Pacman or Tank and not the rest of the black players who you never hear about.

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                                          #12.2 - Sun Dec 2, 2007 9:49 PM EST
                                          {"commentId":1236501,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
                                          Scott Isaacs

                                          Whatever happened to not speaking ill of the dead?

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                                          #12.3 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 1:58 AM EST
                                          {"commentId":1236736,"authorDomain":"acidreflux"}
                                          AdipicAcid

                                          Internet Tough Guys have no need for manners.

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                                          #12.4 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 6:59 AM EST
                                          {"commentId":1236930,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}
                                          Dr Know

                                          Whatever happened to not speaking ill of the dead?

                                          1) It was claimed that he was a good character

                                          2) That admonition has validity during the funeral especially in the presence of family. There are many persons in history about whom negative things have been said.

                                          3) If someone is to effect change in the ugliness, the ugly truth needs be aired clearly.

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                                            #12.5 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 8:50 AM EST
                                            {"commentId":1237167,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
                                            Bill Harrison

                                            You play much ball in your life? I never once saw Sean Taylor take a cheap shot at anyone. Yes, he spit in Michael Pittman's face but given Pittman's rep the spitting was probably warranted. He was acquitted of the DWI. He was accused of waving a pistol at some low-lifes he thought might be stealing his ATVs. He later pleaded to misdemeanor battery.

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                                              #12.6 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 10:34 AM EST
                                              {"commentId":1237517,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}
                                              Dr Know

                                              The league fined him for cheap shots.

                                              Yes I played ball to the point some thought me good enough to pay me to do it.

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                                                #12.7 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 12:26 PM EST
                                                {"commentId":1237554,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
                                                Bill Harrison

                                                Good. You'll know then that the NFL hands out fines for alleged cheapshots that aren't especially if the qb is wearing a dress as was the case with Brett Fav-rah and Kenechi Udeze of the Vikes a few weeks back.

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                                                  #12.8 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 12:35 PM EST
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                                                  {"commentId":1238826,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
                                                  Scott Isaacs

                                                  Dr. Know:

                                                  1) It was claimed that he was a good character

                                                  Some of the people that were the nicest to me in my life had a reputation for being a badass, if you will. Things are a little more gray and a little less black and white than you perceive them to be, I think.

                                                  2) That admonition has validity during the funeral especially in the presence of family. There are many persons in history about whom negative things have been said.

                                                  Yes, but typically the bad things are said about those people when objective historians or biographers set out to write their life story... it's been approximately a week since Taylor died. While your point also has some merit, shouldn't we wait a while before we render the final opinion that most criticisms are a part of?

                                                  3) If someone is to effect change in the ugliness, the ugly truth needs be aired clearly.

                                                  Well, I will say this. Having went to college on a campus that was located in the middle of a black neighborhood, Sean Taylor would have been one of the best role models that you will find. Furthermore, his actions saved the life of Jackie Garcia and his young daughter so, despite his run-ins with the law and difficulties keeping his temper (which I have been guilty of flying off the handle occasionally myself), I do think that he should be remembered for how he died which was driving off intruders that were armed and interested in hurting people as evidenced by their use of force against Taylor himself.

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                                                  Reply#13 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 7:43 PM EST
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                                                  Dr Know

                                                  I completely agree about things being shades of grey. He had improved his behavior a lot. He does deserve respect for that. This is being discussed in other threads where at least 2 black writers were not surprised that this happened because he did not completely removed himself from the situation. As we have learned, at least one of the perps was at his house for a party. It would seem the wrong type of people were still being let around.

                                                  Any lost life is a tragedy. His notoriety is the only reason we even know about it.

                                                  He can best be remembered if someone is inspired to take the final step needed in this case, completely leave the poor environment.

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                                                    #13.1 - Fri Dec 7, 2007 4:52 AM EST
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                                                    Bill Harrison

                                                    The problem in Sean's case is that the "bad actors" apparently included his half-sister and perhaps, his mother, as the former is the one with the connection to the perps.

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                                                    #13.2 - Fri Dec 7, 2007 10:27 AM EST
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                                                    Scott Isaacs

                                                    I think Bill said this earlier but Sean's relatives were hanging out with these people and they, not Sean, were the ones that were talking about Sean's wealth when these fellows decided that they would rob Sean. Unfortunately I think this proves a truism that I believe which is what is bad for your neighbor is bad for you because you are inextricably linked with your neighbor. Every American's fate is intertwined with the fate of the others' because we have chosen to be one people. Until we realize that and start dealing with things that way I think we will see this happen many more times over unfortunately.

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                                                    #13.3 - Fri Dec 7, 2007 1:12 PM EST
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