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Poll: Clinton Strong, Iowa Raises Doubt

Mon Dec 3, 2007 10:02 AM EST
politics, democrats, poll, ap-pew-poll
Alan Fram, Associated Press Writer
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<p>Presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. waits to be introduced to a crowd of several hundred at The Pageant theatre Sunday, Dec. 2, 2007 in St. Louis.( AP Photo/Tom Gannam)</p>

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WASHINGTON — Health care and Iraq dominate Democrats' concerns in the three pivotal early voting states of the 2008 presidential race. Advantage: Hillary Rodham Clinton, a poll shows.

Clinton has clear leads in New Hampshire and South Carolina, building on her ownership of the health-care issue and her broad but more fragile trust among Democrats on Iraq, the survey showed Monday. Yet she could stumble in Iowa, whose Jan. 3 caucuses will be the first voting and where she is in a scramble with Barack Obama, trailed closely by John Edwards.

An extensive poll in the three states by The Associated Press and the nonpartisan Pew Research Center finds Democrats enthusiastic about their overall presidential field. Most rate it strongly, and they spiritedly back the contenders they prefer.

The poll shows Clinton's advantages in the early contests stretch beyond the top issues. The New York senator has amassed strong support among crucial groups including female, older, less-educated and lower-income Democrats — significant because women and older voters in particular have dominated these primaries and caucuses in the past. In Iowa though, she has only a modest lead over Obama among women.

"She knows how to deal with the opposition, she can get national health care passed and stop the war in Iraq," said Steven Arcone, 63, a geophysicist and Clinton supporter from West Lebanon, N.H.

The AP-Pew poll shows:

_Clinton essentially tied with Obama in Iowa, 31 percent to 26 percent, with Edwards at 19 percent and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson at 10 percent.

_In New Hampshire Clinton 38 percent, Obama 19 percent, Edwards 15 percent, Richardson 10 percent. The primary is Jan. 8.

_In South Carolina Clinton 45 percent, Obama 31 percent, Edwards 10 percent. Democrats vote Jan. 26.

Obama and Edwards haven't taken title to any issues with party voters in the three states, the poll shows, though Obama is close to Clinton on immigration and job creation. Unfortunately for the Illinois senator, neither concern is more than a blip for Democrats, with only one in 20 listing them atop the agenda.

The two men have only scattered strength among Democratic blocs, with Obama's strongest backing coming from Democratic-leaning independents, liberal, younger and better-educated voters. That is especially true in Iowa, which has helped vault him into contention there.

Edwards, the former North Carolina senator, has yet to lay claim to any critical group of Democrats in the three states.

Even among blacks who comprise about half of Democratic primary voters in South Carolina, Obama does no better than break even with Clinton. She offsets that by leading him by three-to-one among the state's whites. There are few black voters in Iowa or New Hampshire.

"We need somebody right now who can address" Iraq and health care, said J.W. Sanders Sr., 78, pastor of Bethel Baptist Church in Gaffney, S.C. "This isn't something I have against Obama. But I feel we must look now beyond gender as well as race."

Democrats in each state overwhelmingly call Clinton the Democrat with the best chance of winning the White House. Yet that doesn't carry the weight it did in 2003, when it helped Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts win the nomination. Not even one in four says he would prefer an electable candidate to one with whom he agrees on the issues — more than 10 percentage points fewer than in 2003 in Iowa and New Hampshire, and about the same as said so then in South Carolina.

In all three early states, Democrats trust Clinton more than her rivals on Iraq, though by smaller numbers than she gets nationally from her party. Even so, she has small double-digit leads over Obama and Edwards in Iowa and New Hampshire when Democrats are asked which candidate would make the wisest decisions about the war, and is tied with Obama in South Carolina.

All top Democrats have said they want to end the war, though Clinton has drawn criticism for her 2002 vote supporting the use of force against Saddam Hussein and for saying she would continue combat operations against al-Qaida in Iraq. Strong majorities of Democrats want to bring the troops home.

On health care, no rival approaches the support Clinton wins from party voters. The 41 percent in Iowa who say she would best improve the country's medical system is double the support for Obama and Edwards, and she boasts even wider leads in New Hampshire and South Carolina.

Clinton and Edwards want universal health coverage, while Obama would expand coverage but not require people to buy insurance. In each state surveyed, eight in 10 Democrats favored government-guaranteed health insurance, even if it means higher taxes.

Iraq and health care are essentially tied in all three states as concerns Democrats most want presidential candidates to address, with each named by roughly one-third.

Despite Clinton's leads in New Hampshire and South Carolina and her front-runner status nationally, Iowa's often unpredictable caucuses threaten to trip her before she can fashion an unstoppable head of steam.

Clinton draws the support of nearly half of women in New Hampshire and South Carolina. Yet in Iowa, women split 34 percent for Clinton, 27 percent for Obama and 17 percent for Edwards.

"The things he grew up with, a single mom, working hard to get where he's gotten, I just get a good feeling about him," Nola Olson, 35, teacher's aide in Adel, Iowa, said of her candidate, Obama.

He and Edwards have more support than Clinton as a second choice in Iowa — which could be important on caucus night, when candidates with weak support are eliminated. Eighteen percent of Iowa Democrats rule out voting for her — far more than her two chief opponents and approached only by the 12 percent who shun Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio.

Mark Penn, Clinton's chief strategist, attributes her weaker showing in Iowa to a late start there and her husband Bill's bypassing the state in his two successful presidential campaigns. Obama pollster Cornell Belcher says Iowa is where the candidate has been most active.

The telephone survey involved interviews conducted from Nov. 7-25 with 460 likely Democratic voters in Iowa, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 5.5 points. Also interviewed were 594 likely Democratic voters in New Hampshire, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 5 points, and 373 likely Democratic voters in South Carolina, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 6 points.

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Associated Press news survey specialist Dennis Junius and reporter Seanna Adcox in Columbia, S.C., contributed to this report.

© 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Ratigan

Do not believe this article at all. They started getting respondents on November 7th. That's last month. It ended before the Des Moines Register and ARG started conducting their poll (showing Obama up by 2 and 3). Can you imagine what that means in terms of perceptions on honesty and "electability" especially after that fiasco in the Democratic debate? It means that this poll and its analysis is outdated and irrelevant.

Did I mention that the AP is grossly negligent in releasing this poll and this analysis? I think I just did.

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    Reply#1 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 11:03 AM EST
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    Eco-geek

    Good catch, Ratigan.

    One thing that I'm curious about is if Obama wins Iowa and Edwards comes in 3rd, how many Edwards supporters would jump ship and back Obama over Clinton in New Hampshire and South Carolina. I see that as a real possibility, and if/when Edwards has to bow out of the race, I suspect his people would largely back Obama over Clinton.

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      #1.1 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 12:09 PM EST
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      jmack02

      Good call on that one. I would see Edward's supporters backing Obama as well which could give him the boost he would need going into the other states. The democratic vote is very fractured right now and if it starts to consolidate down to just Obama and Clinton, I don't see many supporters from the other candidates going to the Clinton side. I think there are too many democrats who still don't think she would be electable in the general election, but do think Obama is.

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        #1.2 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 12:25 PM EST
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        Ratigan

        I agree with all of that. To add to the rumor mill, I read somewhere (an article on Real Clear Politics perhaps yesterday) that Edwards has stated openly that if he doesn't win Iowa, he's dropping out. Personally, I think that's an amazing thing for Edwards to do and points to a selflessness that is all to rare. Clearly, there's a bit of a tag team between Edwards in Obama where there's a sort of understanding that "may the best man win--as long as it's not Clinton."

        If Edwards does lose (even if it's second behind Obama) and he drops out, I'd say 80% of that goes to Obama along with 80% of the other candidates' support (who can now rally around the clear alternative).

        The real difficult question is what happens if Obama comes in second behind Edwards or even third behind Edwards and Clinton? He's got so much money that it would be stupid to drop out. Also, Edwards has so little money that he could hardly hope to keep up after Iowa. Hopefully, somehow, Obama comes out ahead of Edwards (which seems somewhat likely) and that won't be an issue.

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          #1.3 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 1:35 PM EST
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          jmack02

          I have been noticing for a while that Edwards seems to be campaigning for VP with Obama. It wouldn't surprise me in the least that regardless of Edwards' outcome in Iowa, he'll end up dropping out and throwing all of his weight and support behind Obama. I can also see that starting a domino effect within the party with some of the other candidates bowing out and throwing support behind Obama. Now the democratic party has an issue: Among the presidential candidates, Hillary is enjoying little to no support from others, while Obama has become a rallying point. How do the superdelegates interpret this? As you said, Ratigan, now there is a very clear alternative to Clinton. There may be some in the party who would have only voted or supported Clinton because there wasn't another viable alternative. Make no mistake, many in the party are very concerned about Clinton's electability in the general election and maybe secretly wishing and hoping for a viable alternative to emerge.

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            #1.4 - Mon Dec 3, 2007 2:42 PM EST
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            jmack02

            This depends on the poll you look at. One poll done here in Iowa shows almost a dead heat between Edwards, Clinton, and Obama once you factor in the margin of error. I don't think this race is a lock-in for Clinton. Consider, for example, Oprah's recent entrance on the campaign trail for Obama. I would almost guarantee you that she has the potential to sway more votes in the female bloc than Clinton does. I think Oprah lending her support and voice to the Obama campaign could make big waves in the democratic nomination race. We'll see in just a few more weeks.

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