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Sniping Continues As Stakes Grow in N.H.

Mon Jan 7, 2008 3:36 AM EST
politics, white-house, mitt-romney, campaign, new-hampshire, rdp, hillary-rodham-clinton, democrat-barack-obama, republican-mitt-romney
Glen Johnson, AP Political Writer
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<p>Presidential hopefuls Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., greets Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., during a break between the televised Republican presidential debate and the Democratic presidential debate at Saint Anselm College Saturday, Jan. 5, 2008 in Manchester, N.H. (AP Photo/Steven Senne)</p>

Presidential hopefuls Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., greets Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., during a break between the televised Republican presidential debate and the Democratic presidential debate at Saint Anselm College Saturday, Jan. 5, 2008 in Manchester, N.H. (AP Photo/Steven Senne)

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NASHUA — Barack Obama, the new Democratic front-runner, told cheering supporters, "You're the wave and I'm riding it." Hillary Rodham Clinton, her voice breaking, told voters in a little cafe that her White House quest is not just political.

"It is very personal for me," she said in Portsmouth.

The presidential contenders hurtled toward Tuesday's New Hampshire primary, tired, spent and some still sniping at each other — hopefully or painfully aware of the stakes.

The top three Democrats criticized each other and Republicans John McCain and Mitt Romney traded words with ever more bite.

Romney declared, "We need some voters," one sentiment that could be embraced by all.

Clinton and Romney suffered defeats in last week's Iowa caucuses and are struggling to avoid a second major loss. McCain is surging on the Republican side, and polls show Obama leading for the Democratic primary here.

Fighting back, Clinton questioned the substance behind the Illinois senator's soaring rhetoric. She said Obama "is a very talented politician" but is not living up to his claim to be a new type of politician.

Interviewed on ABC's "Good Morning America," Clinton pointed out that Obama has portrayed himself as being outside the influence of special interests yet picked a New Hampshire lobbyist to co-chair his campaign in the state. She also accused him of changing positions on issues, even though he criticizes other candidates for the same thing.

"All of a sudden you start to ask yourself, Wait a minute. I mean, what is the substance here?" she said. "What, as famously was said years ago, where's the beef? You know, where is the reality?"

Later, during a meeting over coffee with undecided voters, a sympathetic voter asked how she keeps going. "It's not easy," she replied. "It's not easy."

"I've had so many wonderful opportunities in this country," she said, her voice catching. "This is very personal for me. It's not just political. It's not just public."

As for Obama, he had an enviable logistical problem. Hundreds of people couldn't get into his speech at the Lebanon Opera House, so he addressed them with a microphone from the steps.

"You guys caught us a little by surprise," he said. "You're the wave and I'm riding it."

Earlier, in Claremont, the long days seemed to be taking a bit of a toll on him — he flipped one of his signature campaign lines during a rally, saying, "The time for come has change."

He also saw a doctor Sunday about losing his voice. The advice, Obama wryly told the audience in Claremont was "shut up."

Obama challenged Clinton's claim in a weekend debate that he was raising "false hopes" about what he could deliver for the country. Obama told his audience that hope made President Kennedy aim to put a man on the moon and Martin Luther King to imagine the end of segregation.

"If anything crystalized what this campaign is about, it was that right there," Obama said of Clinton's comment in the debate. "Some are thinking in terms of our constraints, and some are thinking about our limitless possibilities."

Democrat John Edwards, running third in New Hampshire polls, showed no sign of flagging after a nonstop bus tour during which he gave speeches every couple of hours through Sunday night and into Monday morning.

In a swipe at Clinton, he said: "The candidate — Democrat or Republican — who's taken the most money from drug companies is not a Republican, it's a Democrat, and she's in this race tomorrow morning."

"There's nothing illegal about it ... but it is the status quo," Edwards said.

Romney scheduled six events, an end-of-the-day rally and a two-minute television ad, while McCain pushed into what he called "The Mac Is Back" bus tour, flanked by dozens of friends and relatives who turned out for the final New Hampshire push. Optimism mixed with nostalgia as the Arizona senator sought a repeat of his surprise win here during his first White House run eight years ago.

"Tomorrow is the day when we will tell the world that New Hampshire again has chosen the next president of the United States," McCain told a couple of hundred sign-toting supporters.

With his wife, Cindy, and two of their daughters behind him, McCain's tone was a bit wistful at a chilly morning rally on the steps of the Nashua city hall. "There's a lot of nostalgia associated with this morning. We've had a great time," he told said. "My friends, it has been an uplifting and wonderful experience."

Iowa's GOP winner, Mike Huckabee, said he wasn't counting on winning a top spot in New Hampshire's primary Tuesday. "If we come in anywhere in the third and fourth slot, we're going to do great. I'd like to do better than that, but you have people who have had a lot more money spent here," he told CNN.

The once front-running Romney was also circumspect about his chances.

"If I come in in a second-place finish, that will actually say that I am clearly one of the leading contenders. I will have come in second in Iowa, first in Wyoming, second in New Hampshire. That will mean that I probably have more votes than anybody else in those first three states," he said.

Romney's first stop was the entrance of BAE Systems North America, where he found reporters and camera crews far outnumbered arriving workers. That prompted the former Massachusetts governor to exclaim, "We need some voters."

After a speech to employees at the Timberland shoe company in Stratham, Romney argued that McCain would not be the best candidate to compete against a Democrat such as Obama.

"I think Barack Obama would be able to do to John McCain exactly what he was able to do to the other senators who were running on the other side" in Iowa, he said.

Told about Romney's comments, McCain said, "I appreciate all those predictions about my political future, and I know they come from a vast storage of knowledge and background. ... I'll let the voters make a decision."

Romney planned to air a two-minute television ad Monday evening, portraying Washington as in need of a president with the business and government background and experience that he has.

"It's long past time to bring real change to Washington," he says in the ad. "That's never going to happen if all we do is send the same people back to Washington to sit in different chairs."

A new survey showed Obama opening a lead over Clinton, while the Republican race remained a statistical dead heat.

Obama had 41 percent, up from 32 percent in mid-December, in a new USA Today/Gallup poll. Clinton was at 28 percent, down from 32 percent. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards had 19 percent, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson had 6 percent, and no other candidate had 3 percent.

On the Republican side, McCain had 34 percent, up from 27 percent in mid-December, while Romney had 30 percent, down from 34 percent. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee was third with 13 percent, while Rep. Ron Paul of Texas and former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani were tied at 8 percent. No other candidate, including former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson, who conceded Sunday he was focusing on South Carolina rather than New Hampshire, was above 3 percent.

Both surveys had a margin of error of 4.4 percentage points, a small enough gap to consider the GOP race tied.

"Undeclareds" make up the majority of registered voters in the state, and they are free to vote in either primary on Tuesday. Romney aides hope for a surge in favor of Obama, denying McCain the independent votes that catapulted him past Bush in 2000.

Huckabee — and free pancakes — lured more than 400 people to tiny Mason, N.H., Monday morning to hear his populist economic message. The crowd had to be divided into two seatings to hear Huckabee and his campaign sidekick, actor Chuck Norris.

Huckabee encouraged voters to bring their friends and neighbors to the polls with them. But, he added, only if they supported him.

"If they're not going to vote for me ... let the air out of his tires. Shovel your snow into his driveway," he joked. "Don't let this person do damage to this country while you're trying to do a good thing."

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Associated Press Writers Nedra Pickler, Liz Sidoti, Charles Babington, Beth Fouhy, Libby Quaid, Holly Ramer and Philip Elliott contributed to this report.

© 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Henry VII

Rep. Ron Paul of Texas and former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani were tied at 8 percent.

This is good, as Paul's supporters are far more adamant about being at the primary than any of the other candidates - especially on the Republican side.

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Reply#1 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 4:43 AM EST
Sandie Seward

I have to admit, that for the first time ever, I am following Americas presidential race with great interest. As a Brit, I still don't fully understand the methods used, regarding all these Primarys ect, but it certainly seems to capture an exciting race for the White House!

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 5:15 AM EST
Henry VII

I think most American's don't even really know how everything works... which is kind of sad. In any case, we use these to choose the candidates that will be on the ballot for the two mainstream parties. It's a way for the parties to ensure one of them wins and that all third parties are locked out of the political process permanently.

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#2.1 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 5:45 AM EST
nw-meyer

Sandie,

It's about who gets the money. In our system, which Henry has accurately depicted as almost straight-jacketed into two competing parties, each of the major parties rallies behind a single chosen candidate to go on the ballet. This chosen candidate is heavily funded and assisted by the party that nominates then.

As you might imagine with the amount of money, time, support, and all around effort going into the election each party has several people who wish to have that nomination and thusly each party holds Primaries to determine which of the party candidates wins the party nomination.

These Primaries and Caucuses are held once in each state, at a date chosen by the party/state officials. These are more or less a test of the candidate's ability to become President as well as the main method for nominee selection. Also, both parties hold they're own Primaries per state, which is why you'll see the Dems and Repubs both in they're own selection process. Historically we tend to hold them on the same day at the same time for both parties in a given state.

Following that idea, obviously the first states to hold they're primaries are closely watched to see what the common reaction is to the candidates, a kind of political litmus test. This is why Iowa and New Hampshire are all over our news right now as they are the first time the candidates will be really voted on. If the results are definitive, showing a strong lead for one candidate over the others then the first state primaries tend to weed out the parties nominee early. If the results are muddled then they matter less as each successive primary is used to try and bring the results into focus.

There are innumerable strategies connected to the primaries, as it's basically a big popularity contest with voters and there are many ways to go about campaigning to win the party nominations. Then end result that everyone shoots for though is to grab that nomination.

The nomination is not a mandate, it simply tells us party pundits who to fall in line with. We are free to vote for ANYONE in our Presidential election but only the major nominees will be on the ballet and thus have any real hope of winning.

Our process is long, typically soap-opera like with it's twists and turns, and it is utterly vicious to those participating and results in the brightest of lights shined on your life and family. This is both a good thing and a bad thing, and we as Americans have generally come to accept it.

There are a few major components here that are not voter related when it comes to the primaries though, as the whole shebang is a big popularity contest it's obvious that whoever gets the most spotlight with the media and the public in general tends to win... not always, but often enough. Thus media coverage is a HUGE deal, as is public perception about dirty tactics and mud-slinging. It all comes together to make a very interesting political stew.

I hope that helps give some insight into the process, but do be aware that it in no way sums up the whole things. We haven't even touched on the Electoral College yet or why you can win the popular vote and loose the actual race.

Makes me wonder if the national motto shouldn't be; "If it's not complicated, we don't want it."

But hey, here we are.

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#2.2 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 9:32 AM EST
logossun

Hi!
WHO acually chooses the candidate, i.e. is there a vote tally, a certain number of votes per state, or what and WHEN does the actual decision get made (i.e. is Iowa "locked" now? I remember watching an episode of West Wing where there was a third guy entering the race on the final night of the caucases - and almost won without any campaigning.
I mean, Christ, how ridiculous can you get. It's lika huge free-for-all-pander-to-me until you drop.
Is that about right?
d.

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#2.3 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 9:33 AM EST
nw-meyer

Logossun,

The candidates in the primaries are decided by the respective parties. Those parties have rules about what must be done to make it on the ballet, such as campaign HQ establishments, form filing, fees and so on. Due to those requirements it keeps every average Joe from making the list.

Keep in mind that the primaries are NOT the presidential election, they are the contests to see who the parties will nominate FOR the presidential election. Our presidential election will have the names of the major nominees from those parties, but you can write in the name of anyone on the ballet.

This is technically all a pre-election show, but with our majority two-party system the show ends up being decisive in how people think and vote as the parties work with the media to promote or snuff the field of candidates. Though our elections are supposed to be free and fair at the federal level, at the party level things get more... fluid.

The party primaries have grown to fill the void between the voters and they're elected officials. The parties promote a platform, inform (or mis-inform) the people, and give they're chosen candidate all the air-time they can with the highest level of visibility possible in order to garner the public vote.

The primaries are crucial to use so that American's can see the serious contenders, learn as much as we can about their politics, and decide who (if) we wish to vote for. If you're preferred candidate doesn't get their party nomination it doesn't mean you can't vote for them, it just means very few will and you essentially use your vote for a lame duck. Occasionally however a candidate will run without a party nomination.

If you are not part of a party, and wish to run for the presidency then a monumental amount of money is required to compete with the resources that the two parties can dish out for their candidates. This is very rare as few have those resources, and you most commonly find it that someone from the major parties will run with their party until they are denied the nomination and then they go "Independent" to keep in the running for the Presidency.

Hope that answers your question adequately!

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#2.4 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 4:38 PM EST
nw-meyer

Logossun,

I don't think I answered your first part of the question, which dips into the Electorate. I'm NOT the most informed person on how this part of the system functions but I'll see if my summary gets shot down by more knowledgeable peoples.

In a Primary the votes are tallied, the winner announced per state. The party who held the primary has a certain number of delegates that are assigned per state. The actual numbers or the way those delegates are attributed is not something I'm fluent with, however the idea is that you as a candidate win a state, and that state is worth so many delegate votes which are cast by the delegates themselves (and who don't always vote for the person that actually won their state, though often they do) and at the end of the primary season those delegate votes are counted by the party and they use the results of those to decide who gets awarded the party nomination.

This method is used because if we were to attribute an equal number of delegates per state then the more densely populated states would be under-represented and the underpopulated ones would be over-represented. If I recall correctly population count in the state is a major factor for determining the number of delegates for your state (though not, I think, the only factor).

If a large number of delegates do NOT vote in the way that they're party primaries indicate they should (I'm not sure if that is possible in the primaries but it is in the presidential election) then a candidate can win the popular vote, but lose the nomination.

The delegate selection system and it's criteria is not something I'm well informed about either, but yes to answer the obvious question this means you can win the vote, but loose the race... and it's legal. This is why in the previous elections in the USA you will hear that Gore won the "popular vote" but lost the Electoral vote.

This is also interesting because while it means that Iowa and New Hampshire can show who's popular they don't actually have enough sway to decide the nominees outright as states that hold the primaries later on can outweigh them with they're delegate votes. This is the plan that current GOP candidate R. Guilianni (sp?) is using by going for the bigger states with more delegates and ignoring the early primary states. The problem there is that he's out of the spotlight until those primaries and thus he has a strong chance to loose his political momentum altogether.

This is where my previous comment on various primaries strategies comes in.

Again, I hope this helps you better understand all the hubbub.

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#2.5 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 4:57 PM EST
janimac777

Barack Obama for President 2008!

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#2.6 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 6:51 PM EST
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Sandie Seward

Thanks for that explanation, HenryVII.

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Reply#3 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 6:05 AM EST
ChristianForLife2008

Wow, these are some very interesting times. I just saw Mitt's new 2-minute ad at his website and I think that might have been the final push of momentum that Mitt needed. It is going to go over so well in an independent thinking type state like New Hampshire.

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Reply#4 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:06 PM EST
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