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CAIRO — Omar Osama bin Laden bears a striking resemblance to his notorious father — except for the dreadlocks that dangle halfway down his back. Then there's the black leather biker jacket. The 26-year-old does not renounce his father, al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, but in an interview with The Associated Press, he said there is better way to defend Islam than militancy: Omar wants to be an "ambassador for peace" between Muslims and the West.
Omar — one of bin Laden's 19 children — raised a tabloid storm last year when he married a 52-year-old British woman, Jane Felix-Browne, who took the name Zaina Alsabah. Now the couple say they want to be advocates, planning a 3,000-mile horse race across North Africa to draw attention to the cause of peace.
"It's about changing the ideas of the Western mind. A lot of people think Arabs — especially the bin Ladens, especially the sons of Osama — are all terrorists. This is not the truth," Omar told the AP last week at a cafe in a Cairo shopping mall.
Of course, many may have a hard time getting their mind around the idea of "bin Laden: peacenik."
"Omar thinks he can be a negotiator," said Alsabah, who is trying to bring her husband to Britain. "He's one of the only people who can do this in the world."
Omar lived with the al-Qaida leader in Sudan, then moved with him to Afghanistan in 1996.
There, Omar says he trained at an al-Qaida camp but in 2000 he decided there must be another way and he left his father, returning to his homeland of Saudi Arabia.
"I don't want to be in that situation to just fight. I like to find another way and this other way may be like we do now, talking," he said in English.
He suggested his father did not oppose his leaving — and Alsabah interjected that Omar was courageous in breaking away, but neither elaborated.
Although there is no way to confirm the details he describes of his childhood and upbringing, the strong family resemblance and Omar's knowledge of Osama's family life have convinced many of his lineage.
"Omar Bin Laden is the son of Osama bin Laden and his first wife, Najwa," a U.S. intelligence official said Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media. The official confirmed Omar was raised in Sudan and Afghanistan after his father was forced out of Saudi Arabia.
Omar and his wife insist they have not been bothered by Egyptian officials, who said Thursday that the terror leader's son did not pose a threat.
"He comes and goes just like any other tourist," said a security official, also speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media. "He is taking a line that is totally different from him father."
Omar said he hasn't seen or been in contact with his father since leaving Afghanistan. "He doesn't have e-mail," Omar said. "He doesn't take a telephone ... if he had something like this, they will find him through satellites."
Omar doesn't criticize his father and says Osama bin Laden is just trying to defend the Islamic world.
"My father thinks he will be good for defending the Arab people and stop anyone from hurting the Arab or Muslim people any place in the world," he said, noting that the West didn't have a problem with his father when he was fighting the Russians in Afghanistan in the 1980s.
Omar is convinced a truce between the West and al-Qaida is possible.
"My father is asking for a truce but I don't think there is any government (that) respects him. At the same time they do not respect him, why everywhere in the world, they want to fight him? There is a contradiction," he said.
Osama bin Laden, believed to be in hiding in the Pakistan-Afghan border region, offered a truce to Europe in a 2004 audiotape and a conditional truce to the United States in a 2006 message. In November, he called on European nations to pull out of Afghanistan in a message seen by some experts as an effort to reach out to Europe.
But in a series of messages since last fall, he also has been calling for Muslims to rally around jihad, or "holy war," encouraging fighters in Iraq in particular to continue their battles with U.S. and Iraqi forces.
At least two of Osama bin Laden's sons, Hamza and Saad, are believed to have an active role in al-Qaida — with Hamza believed to be in the Pakistan-Afghan border zone and Saad thought to be in Iran, perhaps in Iranian custody.
But most of the al-Qaida leader's children, like Omar, live as legitimate businessmen. The family as a whole disowned Osama in 1994 when Saudi Arabia stripped him of his citizenship because of his militant activities.
The family is wealthy: Osama bin Laden's billionaire father Mohammed, who died in 1967, had more than 50 children and founded the Binladen Group, a construction conglomerate that gets many major building contracts in the kingdom.
Since leaving his father's side, Omar has lived in Saudi Arabia, where he runs a contracting company connected with the Binladen Group, but he spends much of his time in Egypt. It was during a desert horseback ride at the Pyramids of Giza that he met his wife.
Their marriage in April made them tabloid fodder, particularly in Britain, where headlines touted the "granny who married Osama bin Laden's son." Alsabah, who has married five times, has five grandchildren.
The couple has applied for a visa to Britain. And they are planning their endurance horse race across North Africa, which they hope to start in March. It is in the planning stages — they are seeking approval of governments along the route and need sponsors to help pay for the event and raise money for child victims of war.
Omar said they plan to ride 30 miles a day, with periodic weeklong rests in each country.
Teams from around the world will be encouraged to join in what the couple envisions as an equine version of the Paris-Dakar car rally. That rally was canceled this year due to fears over terrorist threats made by al-Qaida-affiliated groups in North Africa.
Omar, however, said he isn't worried.
"I heard the rally was stopped because of al-Qaida," he said. "I don't think they are going to stop me."
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Associated Press writer Pamela Hess in Washington contributed to this report.
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{"commentId":1373659,"authorDomain":"bootie"}
This is the most encouraging bit of news I've read regarding the relationship between the West and al-Qaida.
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- 20 votes
#1 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:29 PM EST{"commentId":1374018,"authorDomain":"dugan49"}
We (the west) don't need a relationship with al Qaida. We had a relationship with Saddam Hussein at one point too. Look what that got us. There may God willing one day be a detente between Islam and the West, but a 'relationship", no.
{"commentId":1374018,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"dugan49"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1374156,"authorDomain":"leftist"}
dugan - blessed are the peacemakers.
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- 8 votes
{"commentId":1374364,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
wow dugan i jusge by your comments, that all islamic people are in al quada.
even our many allies.
you do know al quada is a mad up term right?? that simply bunched a bunch of unrealted terrorists groups under one moniker?
{"commentId":1374364,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1379091,"authorDomain":"chasing"}
I might agree if this son had anything to do with al-Qaeda...
{"commentId":1379091,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"chasing"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1373718,"authorDomain":"eddiefrench"}
I wouldn't pin your hopes on this man and woman.
The woman lived in my village in Cheshire. She says she is teetotal yet frequented the same pub that I did in the village.
She offered her story to an English Newspaper for £10M; the paper didn't want to know. She then said that she was destitute in Egypt and couldn't get home.
It's all about getting back into the UK with her 'Husband'
{"commentId":1373718,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"eddiefrench"}
- 11 votes
#2 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:45 PM EST{"commentId":1373784,"authorDomain":"Coolman"}
{"commentId":1373788,"authorDomain":"200MilesUp"}
You can go one better Mr Laden. How about telling us where your evil dad is?
{"commentId":1373788,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"200MilesUp"}
- 13 votes
#4 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:01 PM EST{"commentId":1374367,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
Dead?
{"commentId":1374367,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1373813,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}
I don't believe any of this. Sorry to be so blinkered but sometimes, you just have to listen to your gut.
{"commentId":1373813,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}
- 5 votes
#6 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:06 PM EST{"commentId":1373828,"authorDomain":"eddiefrench"}
Raat, I have already stated the obvious I know but again, I am sure it is true. I know of the woman through third parties - regulars in the pub, and the pub landlord - it's a game to get the 'husband' recognised by the UK authorities as a 'good boy'. I have seen her about the village some, years ago now, but what I have seen backs up my impression of her and the press reports.
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- 5 votes
{"commentId":1373834,"authorDomain":"samguzman"}
His wife is 52?? She is exactly twice his age! At any rate, I don't think Bin Laden Jr. can negotiate peace with the west. His name conjures up to many negatives and he would likely get assasinated by extremists anyway. I'm not trying to be pessimistic, but I think that the chances of him working out peace, after so many have failed, are astronomical.
{"commentId":1373834,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"samguzman"}
- 2 votes
#7 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:13 PM EST{"commentId":1373895,"authorDomain":"celestina"}
And on the other hand, he hasn't talked to his father since he left, and there is no reason to believe that he could. So he stands between two sides fundamentally opposed to talking to each other, already convinced there is no middle ground. He would have to be one hell of a diplomat.
{"commentId":1373895,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"celestina"}
- 11 votes
{"commentId":1374100,"authorDomain":"noah"}
He would have to be one hell of a diplomat.
Only if he could clear the monumental hurdle of convincing the American people he's not a psychopathic killer. Most Americans would probably rather shoot a person named "Bin Laden" than talk to them. Sad, but most likely true.
{"commentId":1374100,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"noah"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":1374137,"authorDomain":"melonhead"}
His wife is 52??
And your point is . . .? ? ? 'Seye, smack him for me!
{"commentId":1374137,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"melonhead"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1374374,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
His name conjures up to many negatives
unlike barack hussien obama
believe it or not their is hope for US
while the world thinks bush is a crazy ignorant war monger, i doubt they are stupid enough to hate all "bush's"
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1374930,"authorDomain":"kimmy123"}
What has age got to do with the argument?
If he is trying, why aren't you?
{"commentId":1374930,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"kimmy123"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1377264,"authorDomain":"rkurtz57"}
The American people don't deal with diplomats however, only political leaders do... and I don't think it would phase them.
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{"commentId":1374125,"authorDomain":"melonhead"}
Omar doesn't criticize his father and says Osama bin Laden is just trying to defend the Islamic world.
"Omar! Kid! You don't understand! One minute everyone loves you, you think everything's fine, next thing you know, they're all on you 'cuz blow up one lousy embassy - what? oh - and a boat - ship, I'm sorry, where was I? - and fly one little airplane into some lousy building - - OK fine, two - howzat? thr, four - yeah, I hear you! - jetliners into - some lousy - Oh? {pause} Those buildings? - and they're all like, so totally pissed."
{"commentId":1374125,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"melonhead"}
- 7 votes
#8 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:33 PM EST{"commentId":1374171,"authorDomain":"ytmnd"}
Read between the lines: he's no peace activist, just a propagandist.
{"commentId":1374171,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"ytmnd"}
- 9 votes
#9 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:49 PM EST{"commentId":1374250,"authorDomain":"fawnshore"}
Bin Laden is Rob Zombie's father????
{"commentId":1374250,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"fawnshore"}
- 10 votes
#10 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:15 PM EST{"commentId":1397196,"authorDomain":"carloseduardosanchez"}
win
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{"commentId":1374265,"authorDomain":"stewart-colbert4prez"}
Does anyone else get the feeling these two are the "Brittany" and "K-Fed" of the Arab world? Disfunction crosses ethnic lines, eh?
{"commentId":1374265,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"stewart-colbert4prez"}
- 2 votes
#11 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:21 PM EST{"commentId":1374288,"authorDomain":"onuraydin"}
Hans Adolf Hitler tried the same thing, and it didn't work.
{"commentId":1374288,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"onuraydin"}
- 5 votes
#12 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:28 PM EST{"commentId":1384869,"authorDomain":"larahoward"}
{"commentId":1374303,"authorDomain":"sammygmr"}
I feel that this guy is an intelligent man; however, I don't believe that he will be the one to start world peace. His background just has too much questions, and people don't know if he is just scheming with his father, Osama.
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- 1 vote
#13 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:31 PM EST{"commentId":1374391,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
do you know how many kids ossama has?
you know a few are very successful in the wester culture.
our own president has an operational relationship with ossamas family in the form of the bin ladin group. These are his immediate family. AND our president knows them well.
Not trying to start any conspiracy.. just pointing out that perhaps not all bin ladins are bad..
and as far as scheming with his father.. apparently our own gov didnt think that was too likely when it flew all the bin ladins out of the country on sept 12th
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1374571,"authorDomain":"BeneluxBandit"}
{"commentId":1376871,"authorDomain":"query254"}
I don't believe that he will be the one to start world peace.
Considering the vast majority of terrorism in the world is caused by muslims, world peace will start when the death cult of Islam is banned and their radicals exterminated with extreme prejudice.
{"commentId":1376871,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"query254"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1374433,"authorDomain":"elenapezzuto"}
This is soap opera material; Days of our Lies!
{"commentId":1374433,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"elenapezzuto"}
- 2 votes
#14 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:10 PM EST{"commentId":1374506,"authorDomain":"bootie"}
Perhaps it's untrue, perhaps not. I will assume it is unless I hear evidence pointing to another possibility. It's not like it came from the National Enquirer.
The dude (Omar) can still be a firm believer in his religion and have a desire for a better solution at the same time. Not all followers of Islam want to kill us.
dugan49 said:
We (the west) don't need a relationship with al Qaida.
That is the kind of narrow-minded perspective that will keep us in this conflict forever. Our government doesn't want to acknowledge al-Qaida because they are a "terrorist organization". Well, this petty little "terrorist organization" orchestrated the most brazen and deadly attack on U.S. soil. An enemy is an enemy, and as long as we ignore them, nothing will change. They will still want to kill us, and we will still have to try and stop them. If we could sit down at the table and talk about our issues (as Omar suggests) then perhaps we could turn this boat around and begin to find some common ground. But to not even try is about the dumbest thing we, or al-Qaida, could do.
{"commentId":1374506,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"bootie"}
- 2 votes
#15 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:28 PM EST{"commentId":1374963,"authorDomain":"kimmy123"}
What al quaida was fighting for was a Muslim home without Western influence.
They wanted the Palestinians to have a home without Israeli occupation.
The original agreement was to go back to the 1967 borders.
That never happened!
Israel has stolen too much land.
If everyone agreed to go back to the borders of 1967. Al Quaida would have never happened.
This is all about the theft of land and the occupation.
The problem is Israel and the US.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1374977,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
kiml:
Thanks for that bit of terrorist apologism... I vomited a little bit in my mouth.
{"commentId":1374977,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"isaacs"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":1374642,"authorDomain":"cplmcl"}
I wish him well. His efforts may go nowhere, but at least he's trying.
{"commentId":1374642,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"cplmcl"}
- 3 votes
#16 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:17 PM EST{"commentId":1374851,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
Call me a cynic but I, for one, don't believe him a whit. Bin Laden's son that trained in his terrorist training camps suddenly turns peacenik? I don't think so. LOL
{"commentId":1374851,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"isaacs"}
- 5 votes
#17 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:22 PM EST{"commentId":1375010,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
Omar doesn't criticize his father and says Osama bin Laden is just trying to defend the Islamic world.
I guess that's why his father and his adherents are killing Muslims all over the world who don't toe the party line.
@!$%# him and @!$%# his grannywife too. Looks like the type of Eurotrash that frequents Sesto Senso here in DC. Had more than a few run-ins with some of that crowd after 9/11 in that place. Only reason I even would go in there in the first place is that the barmaid was smokin' hot.
{"commentId":1375010,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1381687,"authorDomain":"cplmcl"}
I guess that's why his father and his adherents are killing Muslims all over the world who don't toe the party line.
If you can't see how easily someone coming from an Arab point of view could say "I guess that's why Bush and his adherents are killing people all over the middle east who don't toe the party line," you have no hope of being part of the solution.
You also sound like a particularly unpleasant sexist. Hard to take your politics too seriously.
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{"commentId":1374920,"authorDomain":"kimmy123"}
Maybe he is right.
To end all of these conflicts the Israelis have to accept the 1967 borders that were agreed upon years ago.
They wont now because they have stolen too much land.
Go back a few years.
Everything could have been settled.
But Israel wanted more land.
They have taken more land.
The hell with the Palestinians.
They have only been occupied for over 60 years.
Freedom fighters have been labeled as terrorists.
The Israelis and the US are terrorists.
{"commentId":1374920,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"kimmy123"}
- 3 votes
#18 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:53 PM EST{"commentId":1374926,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
Stolen? The sovereign rulers of those lands attacked Israel and lost those lands in war because they got their ass handed to them. That is not theft.
{"commentId":1374926,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"isaacs"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":1375013,"authorDomain":"BeneluxBandit"}
{"commentId":1375045,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
Not really Bandit, I'm just an incurable optimist. ;-)
{"commentId":1375045,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"isaacs"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":1375202,"authorDomain":"BeneluxBandit"}
{"commentId":1375204,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
I tried that once. I'd rather be waterboarded.
{"commentId":1375204,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1375227,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
Bill:
I agree, you class whore. ;-)
{"commentId":1375227,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"isaacs"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":1375377,"authorDomain":"phree"}
At least some people know history.
Israel IS the biggest threat to world peace--according to world polls. A terrorist state if there ever was one.
People that don't know history or don't understand what is happening TODAY in Israel, would do themselves well by educating there ignorant minds.
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{"commentId":1375411,"authorDomain":"BeneluxBandit"}
{"commentId":1375413,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
Just because some don't agree with you doesn't mean they're ignorant of history. Perhaps you should review the laws governing conquering territory in war, which is precisely how Israel acquired all of its land.
{"commentId":1375413,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"isaacs"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1376674,"authorDomain":"phree"}
It has nothing to do with whether you agree with me or not. History is history, and facts are facts!
FACT - Israeli soldiers use human shields LITERALLY--by placing their rifles on the shoulders on Palestinians while in combat! They even tie kids to their vehicles! They strip search 14 year old girls at the checkpoints, and even force them to remove their "sanitary napkins" The regularly point their rifles at CHILDREN. They bulldoze Palestinians houses, and build their own. They have built walls and set up check points all over. They KILL KIDS all the time.
If you choose to turn the other cheek, than shame on you. It's happening as we speak.
Israel is a terrorist state. They use fear to control their enemies and their own people.
Now, you can waste your time arguing with me, OR you can spend it finding out the truth.
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{"commentId":1376930,"authorDomain":"melonhead"}
sources, phree?
{"commentId":1376930,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"melonhead"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1377156,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
Indeed. I want sources, as what phree is claiming is ridiculous. If anyone thinks that the anti-Israel U.N. wouldn't be all over that if Israel were doing it is kidding themselves.
{"commentId":1377156,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"isaacs"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1380219,"authorDomain":"phree"}
Thats funny. You ask for sources and in the same breathe state my claims are ridiculous!
You don't want sources unless they jive with your beliefs!
If I spend my time finding links for you, are you going to actually read them? I doubt it, and if you do you will then likely try to convince yourself that the source is unreliable.
Here's my source - the internet. Why don't you Google it yourself? Is it because you don't want to know? Thats what I think.
I'll be nice though...since I am new here. But, for future references, I don't like doing people's homework for them...especially when they ignore it. Israeli Strip searches
Israeli Sniper kill 14 year old Five Children killed in Gaza
Humiliation and Child Abuse at Israeli checkpoints More on Strip searches
Video - Israeli terror squads forcing people out of their homes, then demolishing them
Video - More homes getting demolished
Video - Tears, Death and Israeli Terror
13 Year old kid tied to vehicle
Warning graphic pics Pic - Baby with head blown off
Pic - Israeli soldier pointing gun at kid
Pic - Dead women in the street Pic - Dead and injured children Pic Human shields Pic - Pointing gun at kid Pic - Human Shields
Pic - Human Shields Pic -human shields
Pic - Pointing rifle at little kid
Is that enough sources??
Let me know if you need more convincing.
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{"commentId":1380359,"authorDomain":"BeneluxBandit"}
{"commentId":1380436,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
I love Jews.. Apple Jews, Orange Jews, cranberry Jews, I love it all.
{"commentId":1380436,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1380492,"authorDomain":"BeneluxBandit"}
{"commentId":1380960,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
I know, I was just trying to be silly!!
{"commentId":1380960,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1381064,"authorDomain":"BeneluxBandit"}
{"commentId":1381130,"authorDomain":"phree"}
I don't have a problem with Jews at all. I have a problem with the methods employed by Zionist/Racist/Terrorist Jews.
As do most Jewish people.
{"commentId":1381130,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"phree"}
{"commentId":1381630,"authorDomain":"BeneluxBandit"}
{"commentId":1382006,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
Phree, those are similar to this one that I found. Is this the kind of activity you were trying to alert me to by the Israelis?
{"commentId":1382006,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"isaacs"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1382533,"authorDomain":"phree"}
You two both act like this is a laughing matter. Now I love a good joke...big South Park fan...like to smoke weed and @!$%# around...but, my friends this is not a time to joke and @!$%# around. In case you missed those pictures of the terrorist Zionist Israeli soldiers pointing theirs guns at kids (even making one kid piss himself from fear) maybe you should look again at them while you're thinking of a something funny to post.
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{"commentId":1383115,"authorDomain":"bootie"}
In case you missed those pictures of the terrorist Zionist Israeli soldiers pointing theirs guns at kids (even making one kid piss himself from fear)
phree, certainly you're not implying that this type of injustice against children and other innocents only happens on one side, are you?
{"commentId":1383115,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"bootie"}
{"commentId":1383357,"authorDomain":"cplmcl"}
I know you're talking to phree, but I hope you don't mind my two cents.
It isn't that the Palestinians are these innocent lambs. It's that everybody thinks that Israel is this noble entity that is far, far above behaving like that.
Not quite.
{"commentId":1383357,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"cplmcl"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1383427,"authorDomain":"bootie"}
I don't mind your two cents at all. Anything to clarify. My complaint is with both sides. Thanks.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1385027,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
Phree:
As I asked, is that the kind of think that I linked to that you are talking about?
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1374932,"authorDomain":"ligrimzz02"}
It lets me breathe. I have much respect for Omar, not just because he has defied his father, because he is willing to defy a murderous group called Al-Qaida. And he has close ties. I think I will go write my own blog, check it out at www.purplestates.tv.
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#19 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:00 PM EST{"commentId":1375168,"authorDomain":"narky"}
Remind me again, please, what is the greatest lie ever told? Omar Osama bin Laden seems to be pursuing a noble cause, but is it a wolf in sheep's clothing? (Dude looks like a rock star. I've always wanted to look like a rock star.)
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#20 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:36 PM EST{"commentId":1375182,"authorDomain":"barry-rutherford"}
At last some one talking peace again...
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#21 - Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:45 PM EST{"commentId":1375434,"authorDomain":"roybatty"}
KILL THIS @!$%#ER. TEACH HIS FATHER A LESSON.
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#22 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:57 AM EST{"commentId":1375462,"authorDomain":"fawnshore"}
Roy,
Your all-cap format is superfluous....the content of your message already accurately conveys your intellectual capacity.
thank you,
Walt
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1378870,"authorDomain":"roybatty"}
Walt,
My apologies ... this was meant as satire ... if you look at my history of posts you might realize this ... sorry again about the confusion.
But at least I don't degrade other users and call them names.
-Roy
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1379689,"authorDomain":"noah"}
But you see, Roy, pulling off satirical comments is an earned right. Most people have to put little ";)"s at the end of their post to tell everyone they weren't serious.
You get to my position, though, and you can say whatever the hell you want and nobody pays any attention. Case in point:
ROT AND DIE, WALT D!!!! IN THAT ORDER!
See? And Walt will probably even chuckle at it if I'm lucky, even though I totally just broke the CoH.
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- 6 votes
{"commentId":1382009,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
Yes Noah, verbal abuse is an earned privilege around Newsvine. ;-)
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1382111,"authorDomain":"BeneluxBandit"}
{"commentId":1375503,"authorDomain":"Coolman"}
{"commentId":1376029,"authorDomain":"PeaceFighter"}
You Americans and Europeans are set of stupid and arrogant bastards. Everybody knows that the issue of "Terrorism" started with the fact that you people assisted Jews (Zionist) to steal Arab lands. The people saw the injustice and started fighting for their rights. Unfortunately, you Zionist started manipulating Arab Leaders to bend to your wills and support the illegal state of Israel. The Independent Arabs saw this and started bombing your Planes and Building in order to drum senses into you people heads. Unfortunately, instead of learning from this, was you resort to is calling this freedom fighters terrorists. While your leaders (Bush and his European counterparts) uses state money to terrorize other citizen of the world, the freedom fighters uses their means (intelligent and scarce resources) to bomb your planes and cities. Are all not the same. You people are so much in comfort that you are not aware that others are suffering. Your leaders stole (and still stealing) resources from Africa and other third world countries so that you people can live in affluence. I hope, one day some of you will realize how your leaders have destroyed others in order to keep you people in wealth and enjoyment. One day Israel and the whole of Zionist infrastructure will surely collapse. And the whole world will be free again.
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- 2 votes
#24 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:24 AM EST{"commentId":1376523,"authorDomain":"bootie"}
You Americans and Europeans are set of stupid and arrogant bastards. Everybody knows that the issue of "Terrorism" started with the fact that you people assisted Jews (Zionist) to steal Arab lands. The people saw the injustice and started fighting for their rights. Unfortunately, you Zionist started manipulating Arab Leaders to bend to your wills and support the illegal state of Israel. The Independent Arabs saw this and started bombing your Planes and Building in order to drum senses into you people heads. Unfortunately, instead of learning from this, was you resort to is calling this freedom fighters terrorists. While your leaders (Bush and his European counterparts) uses state money to terrorize other citizen of the world, the freedom fighters uses their means (intelligent and scarce resources) to bomb your planes and cities. Are all not the same. You people are so much in comfort that you are not aware that others are suffering. Your leaders stole (and still stealing) resources from Africa and other third world countries so that you people can live in affluence. I hope, one day some of you will realize how your leaders have destroyed others in order to keep you people in wealth and enjoyment. One day Israel and the whole of Zionist infrastructure will surely collapse. And the whole world will be free again.
Nice. But the point is that sitting down with an enemy and trying to find a peaceful solution to our differences is always preferred to a more violent method. Or do you just want to kill everyone who disagrees with your beliefs?
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1376704,"authorDomain":"phree"}
I think that is his point. Are the US and Israel sitting down and discussing their point?? Or are they bombing the @!$%# out of everyone, killing children, and stealing land and resources?
Who's doing the killing here?
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{"commentId":1377184,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
Israel has tried to give away land for peace. Arafat rejected the offer.
Since when did we let supporters of @!$%#ing terrorists on Newsvine? Apologists I can handle... people that openly advocate "freedom fighters" killing Americans and Europeans, no.
{"commentId":1377184,"threadId":"204505","contentId":"1235209","authorDomain":"isaacs"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1377189,"authorDomain":"bootie"}
Neither side is doing the right thing. We both need to be sat down in the corner like children and told to work it out. This attitude of "We're right and you're wrong" from both sides is the fundamental problem.
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{"commentId":1381144,"authorDomain":"phree"}
Israel has tried to give away land for peace. Arafat rejected the offer.
Since when did we let supporters of @!$%#ing terrorists on Newsvine? Apologists I can handle... people that openly advocate "freedom fighters" killing Americans and Europeans, no.
Why don't you delete your account than? You are the one supporting terrorists! What's funny is YOU DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT!
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{"commentId":1381635,"authorDomain":"BeneluxBandit"}
{"commentId":1382015,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
phree:
Why don't you delete your account than? You are the one supporting terrorists! What's funny is YOU DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT!
Good point. Newsvine by participating in America's capitalist system that powers its war machine and allows it to shoot small Palestinian children out of tank turrets has supported the true terrorists. Why doesn't Calvin Tang delete himself and his wretched site off the plain of American capitalism so as to avoid getting any more blood on his hands than he already does? GOD HELP US ALL! *rolls eyes sarcastically*
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1382550,"authorDomain":"phree"}
Seriously Scott, do you think small businessmen and entrepreneurs are the problem? Think about it. You are being extreme. The problem is companies like the one your daddy worked for. You know G.E. --the second largest company in the world--who makes weapons, planes, jet engines (like your Daddy) and also OWNS mainstream media outlets like NBC and MSNBC.
Do you trust NBC to report fairly on a war that they make billions from?
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{"commentId":1376184,"authorDomain":"Andimia"}
this all smells of some horribly calculated plan. Face it, this guy is going to remain loyal to his father. I just hope there are not a lot of people around when Osama asks for his sons act of loyalty.
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- 1 vote
#25 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:06 AM EST{"commentId":1377194,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
These people are very clannish. I'd be surprised if he actually wasn't loyal to his father.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1376599,"authorDomain":"eddiefrench"}
I think you are all missing the point.
This is a pair of down and out, going nowhere losers who are merely trying to take advantage of the relationship between the two men.
It's pathetic.
They have courted just about every media outfit that they could get to. Most know what the game is and ignore them.
Don't give them undue credit by jumping on the Peacemaker bandwagon.
If they get permission to enter the UK they will just disappear into Moulton Village and spend Friday night in the pub and probably try to get on an adult education course somewhere to avoid work.
They are parasites.
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- 1 vote
#26 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:40 AM EST{"commentId":1376676,"authorDomain":"galaxis1592"}
"Only if he could clear the monumental hurdle of convincing the American people he's not a psychopathic killer. Most Americans would probably rather shoot a person named "Bin Laden" than talk to them. Sad, but most likely true."
Most Americans are of the "blind hatred" school of thought, whereby they think that if a terrorist is a Muslim, then ALL Muslims must be terrorists. The question I have is: Are Mohammed Ali, Cat Stevens, and Dave Chappelle then terrorists because they are all Muslim? If Omar bin Laden is indeed talking about establishing peace between the Middle East and the West, then we owe it to ourselves to at least listen. While I am not saying that we blindly believe him, I am saying that maybe this could be the turning point we were looking for. We should, under no circumstances, pigeon-hole him for his DNA or his religion...doing so will only make us look arrogant and ignorant at the same time.
Call me naive, I don't care, but I am sick and tired of all the cultural blackballing that America is sadly known for.
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#27 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:55 AM EST{"commentId":1377204,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
If Hitler had a son, would we have welcomed him with open arms during WWII?
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1379707,"authorDomain":"cplmcl"}
If his goal was an end to the slaughter, I think we might have.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1378723,"authorDomain":"DianeCrestoncrestonassoc"}
I'm not all that trusting, but on this one I'd like to be an optimist. The road we're on now is NOT working.
We've lost countless American lives as well as those of other nations who support us. The debt we are facing will pull America down for generations to come. Maybe, just maybe, he's for real.
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- 1 vote
#28 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:23 PM EST{"commentId":1381700,"authorDomain":"cplmcl"}
And if he's not for real, what harm has he done?
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