US: al-Qaida in Iraq Training Children

Best AQ recruiting tool ever.

I don't know about that-America's fully in control of Iraq. Al Qaeda must be desperate for Islamic martyrs after most of their jihadists got decimated in Iraq or were running scared from US forces. Now they're turning to women, children and mentally handicapped people, how pathetic.

When they've exhausted this supply of 'willing subjects', they'll turn to senior citizens and stray animals to carry out their terrorist attacks that they're too cowardly to do themselves.

My sentiments exactly.
Bush and Co. are becoming the boy who cried wolf.
The sad part is that many Americans are still doing the "run, duck and cover" routine.
My main fear is that when they figure that they can't control the oil, they will look for an easier target. Canada!

um.. well concidering theri wasnt an al qaeda till we gave it a name..
concidering all reports have shown that bush's war on terror has increased al qaedas recruiting.
recent reports by our own cia says that al qeada is now as strong as it was on 9/11
but is the unitary executive.. it was his decidering that have caused al qeada to grow..

I suppose if the police instead of going after the bank robbers, decided to attack the donnut shop down the street and left the banks un guarded... well then you could blame the cops.. but luckily for all of us.. most of society isnt as dangerously ignorant and incompetant as bush.

Since when do you believe what the CIA says?

well concidering theri wasnt an al qaeda till we gave it a name..

Take your medication.

We did not give it a name.

This vanguard constitutes the solid base` [qaeda in Arabic] for the hoped-for society .... We shall continue the jihad no matter how long the way, until the last breath and the last beat of the pulse - or until we see the Islamic state established.'

"The Solid Base" (Al-Qaeda), Al-Jihad (journal), April 1988, n.41

Abdullah Yusuf Azzam

Al-Qaeda (also al-Qaida or al-Qa'ida or al-Qa'idah) (Arabic: القاعدة‎ al-qāʕida, translation: The Base) is an international alliance of Islamic militant terrorist organizations founded in 1988 by Azzam

Perhaps he meant we gave it a world stage and recognition it would not have received. bin Laden is a product of the USA, period. Another example of what is going to happen in Iraq when the Sunnis we have been arming turn against us. I guess by then the Shrub, Decider, Commander Guy will have retreated to his ranch in Texas or maybe kidnapped to go on trial at the Hague for war crimes.

According to history Azzam was Bin ladin mentor

can you shgow me a quote from ossama using that term prior to 9/11
how about in his war decoration on the west in 96??? no?? but he is the leader of al qaeda head boogey man no? maybe he didnt know what to call his group.
did you scrolll down to the bottom of that wiki entry that talks abotu the origins of the term?

anyway i did mean what the poster above suggest.. we gave them legitamacy.

Azzam named the group. Take your meds...get some sleep.

can you shgow me a quote from ossama using that term prior to 9/11
how about in his war decoration on the west in 96??? no?? but he is the leader of al qaeda head boogey man no? maybe he didnt know what to call his group.
did you scrolll down to the bottom of that wiki entry that talks abotu the origins of the term?

anyway i did mean what the poster above suggest.. we gave them legitamacy.

I know drunken typing when I see it.

Carry on...

Dude, everytime an article like this appears the same circle of jerks line up to take turns blaming everyone except the ones who should be blamed in the first place.

True

decades?

maybe terrorist groups.. or if you mean al qaeda means terrorist in arabic or something..
but al qaeda didnt exist decades ago.
the cia first used the term al qaeda in 1998
bin ladin himself never used the term until well after 9/11

it's an avertisement.. a NLP.. stupid terorists couldnt get organised.. so we did it for them.

Al-Queda has been training children for decades, it's pretty common knowledge

I am not surprized.The Palis have also been training kids to hate-- and to kill. They've been doing it for years.

the cia first used the term al qaeda in 1998
bin ladin himself never used the term until well after 9/11

Ok... a decade 1998-2008

It's a label and doesn't mean that prior to the term the group did not exist, even by the same label. Palestine didn't 'exist' until a US reporter 'coined' the term in WWII (or shortly after) - but I'm willing to bet you that Palestinians would rigorously argue that Palestine in fact did exist. the point is that WE (Americans) didn't use the word commonly or that most of us didn't hear the word until 1997. But, the did exist for decades

so...

The radical Islamist movement in general and al-Qaeda in particular developed during the Islamic revival and Islamist movement of the last three decades of the 20th century along with less extreme movements.

-source

Palestine didn't 'exist' until a US reporter 'coined' the term in WWII (or shortly after) - but I'm willing to bet you that Palestinians would rigorously argue that Palestine in fact did exist.

Thats a fairly interesting claim. Can you explain why my grandma's birth certificate says Palestine then?

Thats a fairly interesting claim. Can you explain why my grandma's birth certificate says Palestine then?

Thats why I had 'exist' and 'coined' in quotes. I was illustrating that simply because people in the US never heard of the place or of an action before does not mean that it didn't exist prior to hearing about it. And, just because someone in the US introduced the term or event isn't grounds to say that we discovered it or created it - as Joules Beef was trying to say about Al-Queda not being around until 1998. My entire point was that Palestine did exist before the US heard of it or before it was a heavy use word, just like Al-Queda.

In short, I think you took what I was saying wrong, but its okay.

I did, indeed, misconstrue your point. My bad.

Not a problem, sometimes that happens.

My thoughts exactly regarding the violent video-games.

Also, don't forget the Boy Scouts. Surely we must dismantle this Christian terrorist-training organization!! All those boys going around learning how to tie knots, build fires and use knives!

And hate gays.

And hate gays.

So true. Funny (and also sad)!!

It's an "extremist, hate" group!

First, Boy Scouts aren't a 'hate group'. it is a group that you can choose to join, but are not required to join. As such the rules as they are set forth give the participants an option. Be a member and do or dont do these things, or dont be a member and dont worry about it.

One of the rules is that a Scout Leader cannot be gay. I could understand the anger at teh BSA is say the government disallowed a gay only organization to form. Girls are not allowed to join the BSA (they can Explorers which is co-ed). What did the girls do? Made the GSA... what stops gays from making the Homosexual Scouts of America? Nothing.

At NO point in my BSA membership was I EVER told, taught, or even given suggestion to hate anyone for any reason. Nor were any of the things we did 'extreme' unless you consider kayaking in class 4 waters, spelunking about 200 feet down, or hiking 50 miles in 3 days kind of extreme.

It is true that they do have a lot of Christian backing, but that has a lot to do with their founding and that most Troops are sponsored by a Church. It is not required you attend church or even have a faith. The do offer medals and 'knots' for having faith and demonstrating a good working knowledge of your faith if you have one, but no merit badges or belt loops (if you kick it old school) have any requirements that can only be met with church involvement (aside from Clerical ones, which are optional and rare)

It amazes me at the total lack of understanding people have of the BSA yet their readiness to fire off about it.

@ Joules Beef

We have the video game "Americas army" and then we also have a wide variety of military schools for troubled kids of all ages.

I don't buy into the vilent video games makes violent kids stuff... nor do I completely buy into AA being a training tool. A recruiting tool (but its purpose is optional) - yes I'll agree to that much.

Anyone who wants to equate 8 and 9 year olds using live AKU-74s and AK47s to kill real people to being just as bad as using a mouse to point and click a glossed overview of a watered down Medal of Honor is really far off base. Especially when in the same comment you point out that the youngest suicide bomber was 16.

Did America's Army cause Columbine? No... they blamed that on 'artists' like Marylin Manson and Ozzy... despite that Americas Army was popular in those times too.

Pointing out children in war from close to 70 to....about 130 years ago does what? show that we stopped doing that and they didn't? okay.... and then....

Gee whiz!! I was half-way joking about the BSA!

I was never a Boy Scout, but, as a boy, I had the Boy Scout manual right next to the U.S. Army Improvised Munitions Handbook. I never actually did much with each, but it was fun reading about how one could make explosives using urea from pee and all the different types of knots one could tie.

As a(n) (almost) typical American youth, we were running around with cammo pants and toy guns pretending to kill each other. My friends who lived up in the mountains got to fire real guns (and would have been trained to hunt, no doubt, had they not been vegetarians).

Even if the story is about real occurrences, I see a whole lot of hypocrisy in any American decrying it considering the culture of violence in which we live.

sad state when the US and the world soooo disbelieve our intelligence service.
Bush has made us much much more in danger with all his lies.
iran could probably nuke a city and the world wouldnt belive us, even if we have amadinajda admit it on live tv.

You know JoulesBeef...I couldn't agree more. Crazy that we tolerate even a *single* lie from our commander in chief.

if you recall wolf was actually real once.. still didnt change the story.

You should get help.

It's not harsh, patti, it's genocide.

You should get help.

Why seek help when you can hate?

Much easier to blame others for all your trouble, no?

1) Your tax dollars do bomb people
2) Your argument is that we should bomb more people
3) The vast, vast, overwhelming majority of the people you now want to bomb are very nice people that don't bomb anybody, children patti...you remember them, right?
4) You wouldn't last 30 minutes in the deserts where these people have created civilization

PLEASE don't feed the trolls!

Although, I think we've found a good running mate for Huckabee now. An independent run for the Turn-Em-Into-A-Glass-Parking-Lot / Arab-Genocide Party?

Although, I think we've found a good running mate for Huckabee now. An independent run for the Turn-Em-Into-A-Glass-Parking-Lot / Arab-Genocide Party?

LOL!!

You'd think that Huckabee, with his connections "Upstairs" could arrange for a Passover-like plague that would only afflict the baddies without having to take out everybody in the region.

and i suppose you believe all muslims are terrorists too? i suppose you believe that there are still wmds to be found? i suppose you think there were still ties between sadaam and bin-laden? i suppose you still think that bushs abuse of signing statements, proven lies and pardoning of a man that was tried and convicted in our own courts was ok? i suppose you think that bush claiming executive privilege to keep people from adhering to a congressional subpoena is just fine and constitutional? i suppose you think cheney illegally classifying every document so that it will never leave the white house and bush trying to establish retroactive immunity to being charge for any of this is just plain christian-like? i suppose you also think that halliburtons 82% of the war reconstruction contracts without delivering (in fact being caught NOT doing so) and cheneys stock in halliburton rising over 3000% is just coincidence? i suppose its also just ok that thousands of emails, ones that were illegally forwarded through the GOP, just disappeared including backups that system redundancies are designed to keep?

just shut up. you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. you haven't done crap for research or you'd realize you're talking straight out of your backside. it's an insult to us that spend our time researching the truth that you would even expect anyone to believe that crap anymore. get off of fox news and start searching the internet. theres plenty of public data out there and you do yourself and this country an incredible disservice to keep spreading this kind of propaganda.

or are you getting paid to spread this crap? it surely would explain the blatant disregard for logic and truth.

don't feed the trolls

She's worse than a troll, she's a psychotic bucket o' irony.

How many people must they continue to slaughter before you open your eyes and see what they really are?

I think "we" have slaughtered way more of "them" than "they" have slaughtered of "us".

That, and what everybody else said.

The U.S. practically kidnaps children, but it waits until they're 18 (though many, no doubt, are still 12 emotionally). With recruitment centers predominantly in lower-income areas, the Army entices the "lower classes" with promises of job-training, money for college, respectability, etc.

More hypocrisy.

More nonsense.

More nonsense.

Have a lot of recruitment centers in *your* neighborhood, do you?

Mighty,
What are you talking about? Any Army in the history of man has been made predominately of the underprivileged.

At least in the U.S. we have a choice whether or not to serve in our Armed Forces. Furthermore, the lower-income individuals who volunteer for service keep people, like yourself, from being drafted. They receive great benefits and make decent money for not having a college degree.

Anyway, who are the hypocrites?

Anyway, who are the hypocrites?

I would have happily spent a few years of my younger years in a mandatory service corps dedicated to maintaining infrastructure, building goodwill with our neighbors, etc.

I don't consider killing strangers to be in anybody's interest--not mine, not yours, not theirs--except the person selling the bullets.

Any Army in the history of man has been made predominately of the underprivileged.

That's right. "Predominately" being the key word. The officers have almost all been members of the social elites. In England, they even bought and sold their commissions.

Can you explain to me why a country like ours, which has not been attacked from without since 1812 needs an Army of more than a couple hundred thousand unpaid volunteers? What's wrong with militias? Heck, why not mandatory military service for all adults the way Israel has? I'm all for that, as long as we are *defending* our country and not invading sovereign nations with our armed forces.

Can you explain to me why a country like ours, which has not been attacked from without since 1812 needs an Army of more than a couple hundred thousand unpaid volunteers?

Pearl Harbor does not count?

Anyway, we could not have defended Europe with militias.

Kind of like what IndependentVoter was alluding to: The reasoning for our massive military goes back to WWII when we had to gain and train around 4 million troops over the course of a year.

The military is also a great source of employment in peacetime.

I do, however, see your point on defense. It could be a good thing to re-establish the State Militia as our forefathers intended. I would have to look into that deeper before I would be sold on it. We did go through a civil war once.

Pearl Harbor does not count?

Anyway, we could not have defended Europe with militias.

Good point about Hawaii. It's not part of the Continental United States, though, and, according to many ought to be a sovereign nation like the Philippines.

Why was it our business to defend Europe? If Europe had fallen to the Germans (probably only temporarily--they never did fully take Russia), do you honestly think they would have tried to conquer the US next?

Still, these are quibbles. In today's world, imperialism is the only reason why the US needs a professional military.

The military is also a great source of employment in peacetime.

Yeah, and what do they do during peace-time? Train and sit on their butts? How useful is that?

In the former Soviet Union, a good many troops, so I am told, never even fired a real rifle--they would drill with wooden dummies. Many Soviet troops were involved with infrastructure-related work--building and repairing railroads and the like.

Considering that we have bridges collapsing here at home, our military could be better employed repairing and extending our infrastructure, don't you think?

Better yet...why don't you get a job.

Better yet...why don't you get a job.

Is that "you" me? I've been working full-time for county government since 2000, when my son was born. I do volunteer video/audio work with my local Community Television. Before that, I lived simply and worked part-time to pay my bills so I'd have more time to make music.

Or am I getting needlessly defensive?

Perhaps you were referring to people getting "real" jobs rather relying on the military for employment.

MM do not let Independent bait you.

MM do not let Independent bait you.

Thanks for the warning, MaryGJ. I thought I might have just misunderstood him/her.

Patti,
Settle down now. You seem to have some hate issues. Do you think that all Muslims are bad? Perhaps you are just being misread?????

Do some research on UAE. You will find an Islamic. Middle Eastern, State that is tolerant, conservative and stable.

There are many places in turmoil outside the Middle East.

I just find it best to try not to generalize, though it is difficult at times, always look at the big picture.

~have a grand day~