MSNBC's Chelsea Comment Angers Clinton

Exactly, my girlfriend pimps out my web design business all she can. And when I get a client, I pimp their site.

Kevin Dicks

Exactly, my girlfriend pimps out my web design business all she can. And when I get a client, I pimp their site

Kevin.... how many more unrelated examples can you "Pimp" out?

You sound like a David Shuster "ho".

No "dis" intended....of course.

LOL. Bat, I think you're overestimating your importance. This won't even be a story by Monday.

I don't think it will be nearly enough to put an end to her campaign. Bad press, sure, but the MSM isn't spinning it that way. Olbermann, to my great disdain, apologized to the Clintons on behalf of MSNBC. I say, no apology necessary. Although, it does show how petty and out of touch the Clintons are to some of us, the spin of the MSM is all most people really listen to.

Olbermann isn't known for offending Dems, he's well trained on who to yap at, and who to cower to.

@ 34.6

Who are you yelling at, and agree with what decision?

Olberman sometimes stumbles on a good point or two. But I agree w/ Tim. He's a hack. I think he keeps a glossy mag w/ pictures of Bill & Hill under his pillow.

Oh, it wasn't easy to tell since you didn't actually address anything I said.

First of all I didn't call him a hack, I suppose by implication I called him a lapdog, but what I really think he would be is the opposite side of the O'Reilly card. They both grab onto issues that will score points with their demographics and run with them and don't veer into unknown waters. If a reporter from MSNBC had commented that Bush had "pimped out" his daughters in the 2004 campaign you wouldn't see him apologizing for that comment, it doesn't fit the agenda he's pimping. He see's O'Reilly's rantings and ratings and decided to go for the other end of the spectrum and can't match the numbers. Apologizing for that comment was pure and simple pandering, if it was his own comment, fine he can feel sorry for having said it if he wanted to, but it wasn't.

I've seen a few of Olbermann's rants when friends recommend them to me, but I'm not impressed. Vacabulary has nothing to do with it, he certainly doesn't stretch that very far. He's superficial and takes himself far too seriously. Now if he wants me to take him seriously he could go after ALL of the feeble attempts to hold public office that we're seeing these days, on both sides of the aisle.

Sorry to break it to you, but not finding anything redeeming about a news commentator isn't a mark of political viewpoint, its a simple matter of I couldn't stand to watch him as a sports announcer, and he hasn't done anything to impress me as a commentator.

Nope, Newt was just as lousy as Pelosi is now, we haven't had a good speaker in quite a while. I miss Tip O'Neil. I once referred to Olbermann and O'Reilly as the twin blowhard of the appocolypse, throw in Limbaugh and Franken and you'd have a finely balanced barbershop quartet.

Don't mess with Keith. He is the only one holding the Shrub's feet to the fire. He really likes David and so does Chris Matthews. Poor David I do not think he deserved this.

Morning Joe go to you know where. You are getting on my nerves putting Mika down like she has no opinion.

I wondered why MSNBC was showing Hillary so long today at her stump speech in Washington as well as throughout the day. They hardly showed Obama. Now I know why...

MSNBC and CNN (ABC This Week, Tim Russert) are complicit in letting the Clintonistas and their surrogates get away without answering the hard questions. Whenever Mark Penn is on the show they treat him with kid gloves. How many times have you been watching an interview with one of them and you're yelling at the TV because you cannot believe an opportunity to push back on a lie or slight untruth is passed up. How many times have you watched as the MSM allows Billary to not tell the truth about her mandated healthcare and how she is going to penalize folks for not participating but allows her to slam Obama's for not covering everyone?

I hope you are reading this MSNBC. We are sick of it...

Prediction

If Clintonistas get back to White House, Chelseanista will have a WH wedding. I'm just saying...

Don't mess with Keith. He is the only one holding the Shrub's feet to the fire

There's thousands of feet he's ignoring, like everyone that says they want to end the war the keep voting to fund.

I don't begrudge Olberman the right to criticize Bush, it's his painting Bill Clinton with golden saint paint that bugs me. Amazing that people are so partisan that they call O'Reilly a blowhard, but are blind to the blowhards they agree with.

Although, it does show how petty and out of touch the Clintons are to some of us, the spin of the MSM is all most people really listen to.

Yeah, if that were true, then the Clinton's wouldn't be out of touch at all. They'd have their finger on the MSM pulse, and "all the people" who "really listen to" it.

Tim

One of the few good things about football season being over is that fans won't be subjected to Oralmann on Football Night In America until next season.

He's a hack of the first order never having anyone on his show (his valet Dana Milbank comes immediately to mind) who will disagree with Keith's consistent menu of quarter-truths and outright lies wrapped in supposedly hard-hitting investigative journalism.

One of the most hilarious segments was a few months back when he had the WaPo's great military reporter Tom Ricks (no fan of the Iraq war btw) on. Oralmann was trying to push the MoveOn talking point that Gen. Petraeus's and Ambassador Crocker's Congressional testimony was written by the WH. When Tom shot that one full of wholes the interview came to an end.

Howie Kurtz follows up on the Shuster "story" today:

After Shuster made the remark on "Tucker," Clinton spokesman Philippe Reines contacted him and said the reference was offensive. Shuster e-mailed back that he was referring to the fact that Chelsea Clinton is making calls to convention superdelegates but refusing to talk to the press. After Shuster continued to defend himself, Phil Griffin, MSNBC's top executive, called Reines yesterday to apologize.

Wolfson noted that MSNBC's Chris Matthews expressed regret last month for suggesting that Hillary Clinton's political success can be traced to sympathy stemming from her husband's affair with Monica Lewinsky. "At some point you have to question whether there is a pattern at this particular network," Wolfson said.

Matthews antipathy to the Clintons is well-known and Shuster's an Obama and Democratic cheerleader too. Matthews even played the race card after the NH Clinton win implying that the reason the polls were so wrong was because Clinton voters who presumably told pollsters that they'd vote for Obama were lying so as not to suggest that their votes were tinged with latent racism, a/ka/ the "Archie Bunker" vote.

Bat

Unlike you, my life is online, that's where I make my living.
Just because you can't get your message to a massive audience doesn't mean that I can't, and I do.

Heh.

Same comment towards any other family gets little to no response

Can you give us an example of a similar case from your planet?

Jena Bush charmed Diana Sawyer in her interview and the job that she is doing. The difference is that the Bush family faced the music of being parents of normal kids nowadays.

Hillary should bury this subject because Chelsea's living in London was not that exemplary.

Hillary should bury this subject because Chelsea's living in London was not that exemplary.

Yes.....and the relevance to this subject of that "news breaking information" is......?

We're waiting?....Do take your time.....

You gonna boycott Newsvine, too, as it is owned by MSNBC?

Welcome back Tom if ever so briefly. I will keep you / family in my thoughts and prayers.

The political scene is wearisome but there is plenty of hope for optimism... in 2012?? :-)

More proof that old people need to learn modern English.

Tom...Wish you and yours well...

Hey Tom -- stay strong my friend.

More proof that old people need to learn modern English.

The young don't "own" the language, sorry. Maybe young people should be more aware of how they might inadvertently be insulting their elders, instead?

Maybe young people should be more aware of how they might inadvertently be insulting their elders, instead?

No thanks. I'm a progressive. I'm for progress. I'd love to see the day when there was no censorship. Period. None. I like irreverence. I like openness. People are vile, there is no need for pretense. Changing one's behavior to "fit in" and not offend is nothing more than living a lie. If I think something, I say it, and I don't care who I offend.

No thanks. I'm a progressive. I'm for progress.

The addition of a definition to a long-used word isn't progress, its simply change.

If I think something, I say it, and I don't care who I offend.

Yeah, try that at my job, and you soon won't have one.

Mr. Tom. As a poster that lost 3 friends in less than 24 hours I understand how you feel.

Yeah, try that at my job, and you soon won't have one.

Yeah, that's why I'm self employed now.

Change is part of progress, you can't have progress without change, and the word pimp has begun to progress from meaning selling whores, to selling anything at all. That's a progressive change to the word "pimp".

you can't have progress without change

You can't have regress without it, either.

Yes you can. Regression is going back to what was. You aren't changing anything, you are reversing changes that have been made.

But I guess it all depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is. Or pimp. Get my point?

You aren't changing anything, you are reversing changes that have been made.

Semantics. Reversing change is, itself, a change.

Hi Tom,

I've been thinking about you and my family has been praying for yours.

Good common sense comment, too.

Well, I'm involved in some life and death issues in my family at this time, and have been for awhile

Tom - your absence has been missed as has your voice. You are in our prayers. Hope you come through the challenges. Stay safe.

I'm looking forward to a more permanent return for you Tom... good luck with your trouble.

Thanks to everyone for your kind wishes. Suffering and death remind us that we're all in this together ... all of us, Republican and Democrat, black and white, male and female, American and European and Asian and Latino and African and Islander and all God's children everywhere, and atheists and anybody I inadvertantly left out.

Determined, I am so sorry to hear of your losses, and I will be thinking and praying for you and your loved ones.

I'll be back as I am able. Carry on!

Jeez, how will she respond to a threat to the nation is they say something mean then?

The same way Bush did, and she supported - by attacking them and not talking to them.

I hear it's a great plan!

I realized the huge typo that went on. *"how will she respond to a threat to the nation, when they something mean?" Dear Lord. I need sleep.

it seems to be the status quo

So she is trying to tell us she has the leadership skills to run the nation, but she won't even talk to a network that made a comment about her daughter. Jeez, how will she respond to a threat to the nation is they say something mean then?

Yeah, if you think that "saying something mean" is a threat to the nation, then you've got some pretty heavy-duty rose-colored glasses on. Seriously.

Or it was just a comment, to point out some of Hillary's bad qualities. It's just a joke, seriously.

It's just a joke, seriously.

I'm laughing.

Seriously.

jFrank = check out her so-called "health care plan" and you'll have another reason not to vote for her.

Dirtclod.

Her health care plan is quite interesting. I support something similar to universal health care, well more of having an optional base level health care system for those who can't afford it. But not force health care on everyone.

Excuse me. Is there a reason you are personally attacking me? Do I know you? My opinion and comments are clear. You can agree or disagree that's your prerogative but please refrain from the personal attacks.

Your opinion is based on a definition of a word that is no longer tho only one in play. It is as if you are going around calling people 'gay', assuming it meant 'happy'. That just isn't what the word means anymore. You don't acknowledge this fact, so you are not particularly wise. If you see that as an attack, I recommend never getting into a real argument.

The word in the contex it was used implied that they "prostituted" her not that they put spinning chrome wheels on her car. but I guess only you 'playas" know whats up and hip.

Report this pal! I don't know or care about your ethnic background or give a damn about the color of your skin. Maybe you should know I got my ass kicked marching for civil rights in the sixties.

Old people just don't understand

That crack alone shows me your a fool.

I'm done with you now, best if you keep you mouth shut.

I'm sorry, did you just tell someone, "Best if you keep your mouth shut"?

Yes, you did. I see it right there. I don't believe it, but I see it.

I have a question for you: Has saying that to anyone ever worked for you?

I have a question for you: Has saying that to anyone ever worked for you?

You see anymore comments about him calling me a racist?

This can go forever. So I'll shut up now!

That just isn't what the word means anymore.

The same word can mean different things, depending on context, audience, and subject. The "modern" use of "pimp" has not supplanted the old, but simply become yet another addition to its possible meaning. If a newscaster isn't aware of this, then they've got what's coming to them. And if you aren't aware of this, you might try becoming a mute. And stop typing.

The fact of the matter is there is this word, and you're never going to convince my grandmother that it means something other than what it's meant her entire life, and still means, depending (once again) on context, subject, audience. You don't own it. You can't take it away from her. And if you want her vote (and as she's in a demographic that votes heavily), you might be wise to be a little careful about what you say, and how you say it. Otherwise "but it doesn't mean that any more" will be just a whine, and not a vote. And isn't a vote what all of this is ultimately about?

The context is clear. He wasn't calling her a whore or a prostitute. There was no sexual connotation in what he was saying. He absolutely, most obviously was not saying Hillary sold Chelsea's body for sex. Nobody in their right mind would think that he meant they sold her body for sex when discussing placing phone calls to super delegates. If there is no sex in the context, then obviously the "Pimps and Whores" definition of the word pimp does not hold.

He absolutely, most obviously was not saying Hillary sold Chelsea's body for sex.

I agree. Yet the connotation remains. If only he'd chosen a different word....

Why should anyone get to decide what offends or does not offend Hillary Clinton? If she doesn't like the connotations of the word 'pimp', that is her perogative.

When she gets someone fired over it, it becomes a far bigger issue.

When she gets someone fired over it, it becomes a far bigger issue.

She didn't "get" anyone fired. What the commentator "got", last I checked, was suspended - an action which came not from Clinton, but from MSNBC.

If Shuster had simply stuck with the essence of the story, i.e., that Ms. C. Clinton is campaigning for her mother as a grown woman, and not inserted the derogatory implication that somehow her parents were using her by using a street vulgarity none of this would have ever happened. In that vein it might be interesting to examine the fact that Ms. Chelsea Clinton is employed by a Democratic-leaning, vulture-capitalist hedge fund.

I agree with you 100%!

Let's not forget the slant of Rush Limbaugh, Laura Schlesinger, Michael Savage, and Dr. James Dobson. Of course there is no bias at all coming from them. But then they don't report the news, they shape opinion, right?

I agree that there are many obviously slanted newcasters & commentators. It certainly isn't limited to NBC/MSNBC.

Well, he definitely didn't mean "whore". But even if he had, which he didn't, I'd still say so damned what.

Well, he definitely didn't mean "whore". But even if he had, which he didn't, I'd still say so damned what.

Easy for you to say, you're not the one suspended. Should he have been? Probably not. But MSNBC is the one being stupid here, I think, and not HRC.

Considering the news slant of MSNBC lately, any thinking person would know he meant whore!

I'm a thinking person, and, being up on the pop culture of the now, I understand that most pimping does not involve whores.

HRC is the one who threatened to not debate on their network. The power of the purse, something she well knows how to use, but not when she's in congress to get the war ended.

I understand that most pimping does not involve whores.

Thank you! Somehow this point seems to escape some people! Shuster was not calling Chelsea a whore. What he was saying was that Chelsea was being used by the campaign in a targeted and calculated way. I don't think many would successfully argue that Chelsea is not being used, no matter whether she volunteered to be used, was asked to be used, or was forced. If someone sees my son mowing a neighbor's yard they don't know whether he volunteered to do it, was asked to do it, or was forced to do it.

Christine S

Considering the news slant of MSNBC lately, any thinking person would know he meant whore!

Christine S......Please use the "updated hip hop version" for Henry and Kevin.

ho 2 �� (h) KEY � NOUN: pl. hos Slang A prostitute.

We cannot let "appropiate English" interfere with the line of communication.

After all ,they may miss your point entirely!

[see David Shuster@MSNBC ]

This is the true offense--not the various meanings of a word.

Very well said, Brenda.

Brenda, that was brilliant. I hope everyone reads it and considers it thoughtfully, because you put your finger right on the issue.

Thanks Tom, I appreciate it. I expanded this comment into an article, but decided against attention whoring and pimping my column by providing a link. *grin*

LOL. That concept never stops me, whenever I have a new article, which hopefully will be soon. Darn it, if I hadn't procrastinated, I could provide the link RIGHT HERE!

but news broadcasts attacked all minority women recently when they said they would have a hard time choosing between clinton and obama: sex or race. as if theis is the entire limits of their political thought.

Exactly my point. It is faux paternalism.

How would Dave Shuster, MSNBC execs, or you, like to have this comment said about your daughter!

um I wouldnt but then again, i wouldnt put my daughter in the election game

I stand by my first comment.. you dont put your daughter into a mud fight and then cry when she gets hit by mud. And it is ovious to anyone paying attention to how think and stinky that mud can be.
No you cant put your daughter in the spot light and NOT expect someone to say something, that you can get offended from.

it's photoshoped outrage.

and would you be upset if chelse was a boy?

What about President Bush! Would he have ignored the comment about one of his daughters? I don't think so!

and would you be upset if chelse was a boy?

I'm not "upset", I'm pointing out what I consider to be the true issue. The true issue is that we wouldn't be having this discussion if Chelsea was a boy.

I agree Phaedrus = If you wanna run a country, might want to have skin thicker than a kleenex. (Pun Intended)

putting the daughter in the mud slinging contest says a lot about the clintons.

nope this is nothing more than a political advertisement purposefully designed to make you feel sorry for hillary. Udder garbage i say.

@jb: I usually find your comments to be pretty good at seeing though to the issues, so I have a hard time understanding why you keep saying things like:

putting the daughter in the mud slinging contest says a lot about the clintons.

This is making an assumption that, as Brenda pointed out above, Chelsea Clinton -- at 27 years old -- is somehow being forced or manipulated into working to see her mother elected President. That she's being "put" into the mud-slinging rather than choosing to do what's necessary for her mother's campaign. And that her presence in the campaign somehow "says a lot" about the Clintons. Are they doing something different than any other modern political candidate by accepting the help of family in the campaign organization? And are they doing anything different in reacting with anger at the guy who made the comment?

Margaret Truman, who died on January 29, was the only daughter of President Harry Truman, and was almost exactly Chelsea's age in 1950 when she began a professional singing career. Her father didn't take kindly to negative reviews of her performances:

When Washington Post critic Paul Hume wrote after a 1950 concert that she "is extremely attractive on the stage ... (but) cannot sing very well. She is flat a good deal of the time," her father fired off a note on White House stationery scolding Hume for a "lousy review."

"I have never met you, but if I do you'll need a new nose and plenty of beefsteak and perhaps a supporter below," the president wrote.

His advisers had told him not to send the letter, and when the story was picked up by the Post's competitor, there was a great deal of uproar about the incident. Unlike this case, however, the mail to the White House was 80% in favor of Truman for being a parent who stood up for his child.

Guys - As many of us have experienced on Newsvine, when Evano steps into a heated discussion, he has an uncanny knack at quickly getting to the root of the issue under debate. And spelling out what it is that we should be focussing our energy on during the discourse. He does that impartially without judgement and backs up his argument with relevant examples and sources.

There's much to be gained from learning from Evano. The biggest learning opportunity is actually for the column moderator as I found. It's a shame that, as this is an AP feed, there is no such opportunity here.

Thanks Evano - I don't see you step into these types of discussions often. But when you, boy, does it make a difference.

Evano, a letter to the critic is a far cry from having someone suspended.

Free speech and a free press trumps all. We cant have elected officials or folks who want to be elected strong arming the press. This is America not Venezuela. Voicing outrage at what was said is one thing, getting a newsman fired or suspended simply because you dont like what was said is unconscionable. Like I said, if every news person was suspended who made disparaging remarks about Bush and his family, we would have no more news programs to speak of.

Phaedrus, I agree with your point. But Shuster's being called down not for the substance of his comments which are 100% correct but for his unfortunate use of an urban slang term in doing so and therein lies the tale.

"Freedom of speech" is not the issue here, Phaedrus. No one's rights are being trampled on. Even if she or her staff had demanded Shuster's firing for his comment -- which no one is claiming they did -- that isn't a violation of anyone's rights. If Senator Clinton introduced a bill in the Senate meant to penalize MSNBC for their reporter's actions, that would be a violation of Shuster's freedom of speech.

If you go to a restaurant and the waiter insults your child (or wife or husband or friend or whatever) -- intentionally or not -- are you violating his freedom of speech by voicing your anger to the management? If the waiter offers an unsatisfactory apology, are you violating his rights by demanding the waiter be penalized? If the manager refuses to penalize the waiter, are you violating anyone's rights by refusing to patronize that restaurant and encouraging others to avoid the place?

The answer to the above is no. MSNBC benefits financially by hosting the debates just as the restaurant makes money by serving you, so Senator Clinton is just using her power as an individual to influence the actions of a corporation. This issue has nothing to do with rights, merely civility.

MSNBC, like most professional news organizations, requires their reporters follow rules of objectivity, professionalism and civility towards the people they report on as well as towards their audience. I don't think Shuster should have been suspended unless he refused to provide an apology for using a slang term which, as a presumably intelligent adult, he had to know would be found offensive by a significant part of the population.

Instead of just thumping one reporter for a first offense, this would have been a good time for MSNBC to examine their seeming approval of their on-air staff's biases and continual stream of insults toward one candidate, then use that examination as a basis for a new set of policies regarding professional behavior.

It's not just free speech, it's a free press issue. I don't care what the hell this guy said about Chelsea, MSNBC should be defending his right to say it, period. Your comparisons to a restaurant are entirely moot. These talking heads have been saying worse things about Bush and his daughters for years, and nothing has ever been said. Ever! Of course the Clintons have a right to lodge their complaints and their disgust at what was said. The fact that the guy was suspended and possibly fired is beyond ridiculous. And you can not tell me that the Clinton's had nothing to do with it. And the way that MSNBC have basically fallen all over themselves to apologize to the Clinton's is disgusting. They should have said, "look, we don't condone what he said and maybe he should have been more politically correct, but as a news organization we take freedom of the press very seriously and therefore there will be no repercussions against him whatsoever, if you want to boycott us that is your decision, our decision is clear."

Plus, evano, maybe you need to take a look at the differences between reporting and editorial opinion. This guy was not reporting anything, he is not Brian Williams, what he said was said in the context of an editorial opinion. In other words, bias is an understood element of editorials. What's next? Is the Clinton Gestapo gonna come after us next here on Newsvine for making disparaging remarks about her or her family? I mean we ARE a part of MSNBC, right?

It's amazing how a decision by MSNBC to discipline one of their reporters for violating professional standards -- whether reporting news or stating opinion -- is somehow due to some "Clinton Gestapo." I'm guessing this shadowy yet extremely powerful organization was also responsible for MSNBC canceling their simulcast of Don Imus's show.

MSNBC must be terrified of this group, because if they don't follow their demands, the Clinton Gestapo will... will... umm... use all their power to... to... umm... to say not nice things about them? That's why MSNBC has suspended Chris Matthews for his nasty remarks about the Clintons and why the network also suspended Tucker Carlson and... They did suspend those guys, didn't they? They didn't? Well I guess maybe this Clinton Gestapo isn't as all-powerful as some hysterical screeds suggest.

We have a Code of Honor here at Newsvine which offers some restrictions on what we can say and how we can say it. We also have a Conduct Policy which prohibits us from posting material which:

is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, known to be false and presented as truth, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

Violating those terms can get us suspended or get our posts or accounts deleted. Most professional media organizations have similar rules. We're not professional news reporters like Shuster, and therefore not usually subject to such strict enforcement of these rules -- if we were, many Newsviners wouldn't still be posting here.

And how about Patrick J. 'Bulldog' Buchanan? He never met a Nazi war criminal he didn't like.

They rehabilitate these corporate media apparatchiks in the time-tested Stalinist tradition. (See Bill Bennett.)

Interesting sometimes. After all he's an old Nixon hand. But mostly a boorish bloviating barroom-type bully-boy grown somewhat mellow with age.

BTW -- Have you ever seen Pat and his sister Bay anywhere together? Maybe Bay is really just Pat in drag...? No? Even if not, too much of that Buchanan negative energy could cause all sorts of atmospheric disturbances...

PS -- I'd forgotten she had been Treasurer of the US under Reagan for a few years. Furthermore, I didn't know she converted to Mormonism.

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Evano, the simple fact remains that David Shuster and many many other so called "professionals" have been violating these standards for a long time now. It didn't just start last week. He only got suspended and possibly fired when he said something disparaging about the Clintons. These talking heads have lost their professional standards a long time ago, and they have been disparaging the Bush family for years.

Again, you fail to realize the difference between editorial opinions and news reporting. The news channels have had these types of politically incorrect shows for years now. Just turn on CNN after 6 pm. It is not exactly politically correct. We've got "hard ball" with Chris Matthews, we've got Fox News which is almost entirely editorial. These sorts of things did not just start last week. No body has EVER complained until now and I have never heard of anyone getting fired until now, except for Don Imus, which was an entirely different ball of wax.

Sorry for the triple post, but again... the Newsvine code of honor you are referring to provides a standard of conduct for how we treat each other. It says NOTHING about what we can say about our elected officials or anyone who desires to be in political office or anyone in entertainment. If I want to come here and say that Chelsea Clinton is a whore, there is nothing in the code of honor which I have violated. Look around Newsvine if you don't believe me. Bush has been compared to Hitler, many people have called Britney Spears a whore, and these people are all still here.

George W. Bus, our President and our V.P. Cheney had to put on with the Media, Dems, Blogs, Kerry and Edwards about their daughters.

I don't remember that GWB or Cheney called the Station or wrote to the newspapers.

And an article on Newsvine inventing a pregnancy. Welcome to the tabloid world.

She is smart, strong, capable, experienced, and fearless, and I admire her for all of that.

It's comments like that, that make me want to go into the bathroom and stick my finger down my throat. She is evil, conniving, manipulative, self centered, self absorbed, and power hungry and I despise her for all that. God save us all if she gets elected President.

The Hillary is utterly reptilian. I swear that if a fly had the misfortune to come within a couple inches of her mouth, a sticky, rope-like tongue would snake out and snag it.

Man you guys act like this one individual killed santa and then buggered him in front of your mothers.
[With a strap on naturally] [or maybe buggering Bill with a strap-on as he buggered santa using Bill like a human condom]

Your wanting to vomit and inability to quite describe the strength of your feelings and unable to contemplate a shed of humanity in them is as trite a childlike and silly as it is impressive in it's own impotent way. Is there anything or anyone you hate more? Or do you save it all up for something you have little control over?

Course if she makes it pres you'll put your feelings aside like good patriots right, respect for the pres being paramount. Wouldn't want to be seen as a hater and thereby unamerican.

After all if she wins she'll be your president too and we'll all expect your support.

Ha ha ha ha ha.

First off, leave little Chelsea alone.

Screw Chelsea. If somebody like us were doing something similar, we'd go down with whatever happened, maybe with a frown, but we'd go down, if, that is, we had even a shred of personal integrity, which apparently is a rather rare commodity these days, especially where the Clintons and the Dems are concerned. She and her "parents" put her out there on the stage, so she deserves whatever she gets. She's an adult. She's free to walk away. Nobody's forcing her to represent the two insects she sees as her parents.

I dunno, I think that joke is pretty funny.

Matt Kennedy

I dunno, I think that joke is pretty funny

Well... Matt, maybe you can jot it down in your "Bathroom Stall Collection"?