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Black Lawmakers Rethink Clinton Support

Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:29 PM EST
politics, barack-obama, clinton, superdelegates
David Espo, AP Special Correspondent
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<p>Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., speaks during a campaign stop at the General Motors Assembly Plant in Lordstown, Ohio, Thursday, Feb. 14, 2008. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)</p>

Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., speaks during a campaign stop at the General Motors Assembly Plant in Lordstown, Ohio, Thursday, Feb. 14, 2008. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

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WASHINGTON — In a fresh sign of trouble for Hillary Rodham Clinton, one of the former first lady's congressional black supporters intends to vote for Barack Obama at the Democratic National Convention, and a second, more prominent lawmaker is openly discussing a possible switch.

Rep. David Scott's defection and Rep. John Lewis' remarks highlight one of the challenges confronting Clinton in a campaign that pits a black man against a woman for a nomination that historically has been the exclusive property of white men.

"You've got to represent the wishes of your constituency," Scott said in an interview Wednesday in the Capitol. "My proper position would be to vote the wishes of my constituents." The third-term lawmaker represents a district that gave more than 80 percent of its vote to Obama in the Feb. 5 Georgia primary.

Lewis, whose Atlanta-area district voted 3-to-1 for Obama, said he is not ready to abandon his backing for the former first lady. But several associates said the nationally known civil rights figure has become increasingly torn about his early endorsement of Clinton. They spoke on condition of anonymity, citing private conversations.

In an interview, Lewis likened Obama to Robert F. Kennedy in his ability to generate campaign excitement, and left open the possibility he might swing behind the Illinois senator. "It could (happen). There's no question about it. It could happen with a lot of people ... we can count and we see the clock," he said.

Clinton's recent string of eight primary and caucus defeats coincides with an evident shift in momentum in the contest for support from party officials who will attend the convention. The former first lady still holds a sizable lead among the roughly 800 so-called superdelegates, who are chosen outside the primary and caucus system.

But Christine Samuels, until this week a Clinton superdelegate from New Jersey, said during the day she is now supporting Obama.

Two other superdelegates, Sophie Masloff of Pennsylvania and Nancy Larson of Minnesota, are uncommitted, having dropped their earlier endorsements of Clinton.

On Wednesday, David Wilhelm, a longtime ally of the Clintons who had been neutral in the presidential race, endorsed Obama.

The comments by Scott and Lewis reflect pressure on Clinton's black supporters, particularly elected officials, not to stand in the way of what is plainly the best chance in history to have an African-American president.

"Nobody could see this" in advance, Rep. Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, the highest-ranking black in Congress, said of Obama's emergence. He is officially neutral in the race, but expressed his irritation earlier in the year with remarks that Clinton and her husband the former president had made about civil rights history.

One black supporter of Clinton, Rep. Emanuel Cleaver of Missouri, said he remains committed to her. "There's nothing going on right now that would cause me to" change, he said.

He said any suggestion that elected leaders should follow their voters "raises the age old political question. Are we elected to monitor where our constituents are ... or are we to use our best judgment to do what's in the best interests of our constituents."

In an interview, Cleaver offered a glimpse of private conversations.

He said Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois had recently asked him "if it comes down to the last day and you're the only superdelegate? ... Do you want to go down in history as the one to prevent a black from winning the White House?

"I told him I'd think about it," Cleaver concluded.

Jackson, an Obama supporter, confirmed the conversation, and said the dilemma may pose a career risk for some black politicians. "Many of these guys have offered their support to Mrs. Clinton, but Obama has won their districts. So you wake up without the carpet under your feet. You might find some young primary challenger placing you in a difficult position" in the future, he added.

Obama and Clinton are in a competitive race for convention delegates. Overall, he has 1,276 in The Associated Press count, and she has 1,220. It takes 2,025 to clinch the nomination.

But the overall totals mask two distinct trends.

Obama has won 1,112 delegates in primaries and caucuses, and Clinton has won 979 in the same contests in the AP count.

The former first lady leads in the superdelegate chase, 241-164.

Not surprisingly, two sides differ on the proper role of the superdelegates.

"My strong belief is that if we end up with the most states and the most pledged delegates, and the most voters in the country, then it would be problematic for political insiders to overturn the judgment of the voters," Obama said recently.

But Clinton said superdelegates should make up their own minds. She noted pointedly that Massachusetts Sens. John Kerry and Edward Kennedy have both endorsed Obama, yet she won the state handily on Feb. 5.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California, who is neutral in the race, said she hopes one or the other of the rivals emerges as the clear winner through the primaries and caucuses.

"I don't think it was ever intended that superdelegates would overturn the verdict, the decision of the American people," she said Thursday.

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Division by Zero

'bout damn time...sheesh!

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:52 PM EST
KEEPING IT REAL!Deleted
TheFunkyBunch

Is that a muffler I just saw drop off of the Clinton campaign bus? Jeesh. Falling apart at the seams.

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:14 PM EST
CliffDogg

And the momentum continues to build for Obama. But will it be enough to catch fire in Texas and Ohio, and on into Pennsylvania? If he can keep it pretty close in those states and then end up ahead at the end there's going to be a big fight at the convention, with Obama in the strongest position to win. It's trending toward that scenario more and more each day. Clinton has really got to do something to throw his campaign off and break his momentum.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:22 PM EST
glennonsweeney

What options are left for Hilliary at this point? Going negative against the "hope" candidate has already proved problematic for her campaign. She's scrambling to win in Ohio and Texas next month, but by how much will she really win? The Democratic party can not afford a dead-locked convention or even the possibility of super delegates deciding the winner against the popular vote. I don't really see, at this point, what she can do to gain favor with the majority of democratic voters. Already she would have to win every state left to beat Obama in the delegate count. Obama has the energy and momentum right now, and quite frankly, she is not the kind of charismatic, inspirational speaker that he is. Regardless of policy differences (which, in all reality are not too significant and either candidate's platform would be a vast improvement over that of the current administration's) I am of the opinion that it is the personality that many people are voting for at this point: I just don't see how she can break into this force that is Barack Obama.

  • 3 votes
#4.1 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:06 PM EST
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njb

But hey---you heard she picked up 1 delegate in New Mexico right?

Wanna bet to her that is a good sign?

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:15 PM EST
bluecollarbytes

It's good to see there are dynamic outside the control of the Clintons.

  • 2 votes
Reply#6 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:24 PM EST
paulteDeleted
Double Demon

Go Obama!

  • 5 votes
Reply#8 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:50 PM EST
Tacitus13

So it's acceptable for blacks to vote for Obama because he's black, but if he loses the presidential race because enough whites don't vote for him because he's black, how crazy will the MSM go?

    Reply#9 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:14 PM EST
    Independent Rob

    Well, if Obama gets 50 percent of the White vote, it is probably fair to say that 50 percent of the black voters are voting for the same reason that white people vote for him. The other 50 percent may be partial to his skin color. But that's ok right? I figure 50 percent of the women who vote for Hillary probably vote because she is a woman. Maybe 50 percent of the Latin voters vote for Hillary because she is a Clinton. So if it is a war between baseless reasons to vote for a candidate, Obama is probably in a lot of trouble. Personally, I was a Ron Paul man, but since he gathered more money than delegates, I switched to Obama.

    I vote for Obama, because i believe he can unite the country and not continue to divide it like the Bush and Clinton Tag team Dynasties.

    • 4 votes
    #9.1 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:09 PM EST
    Karen9284757

    Clinton has plenty support by blacks. Initially the majority of blacks supported her.

    By the way, Barack Obama won an election competition against another black man back in one of those Illinois elections. So to say people voted for him because he was black doesn't hold up under that scenario.

    Just pretend all the candidates are the same gender and race. Then vote or support them according to their record, elected experience, and leadership qualities.

      #9.2 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:37 PM EST
      Tacitus13

      So if it is a war between baseless reasons to vote for a candidate, Obama is probably in a lot of trouble.

      Actually, after looking at Obama's positions, I think it (baseless reasons) rather helps him. But my initial point was not really about the reasons that people will vote for whom they do but rather that the MSM will scream racism if Obama makes it to the general election and then loses.

      By the way, Barack Obama won an election competition against another black man back in one of those Illinois elections. So to say people voted for him because he was black doesn't hold up under that scenario.

      I presume you're referring to Alan Keyes, a Republican? There was never any chance of Keyes winning that election (who joined the race less than 3 months before the election).

      Just pretend all the candidates are the same gender and race. Then vote or support them according to their record, elected experience, and leadership qualities.

      I always look at the candidates' past records and their future proposals. Unfortunately, I think that very few Americans are informed voters.

      • 1 vote
      #9.3 - Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:27 AM EST
      KEEPING IT REAL!Deleted
      paulteDeleted
      Chasing

      A woman who stays in a loveless marriage and is probably a lesbian is not a person for whom I care to vote!

      OK, that was a nice attempt, but I think if you really put some effort into it, you could come across as even more obnoxious, arrogant, and bigoted. Why don't you give it a try!

      • 3 votes
      #9.6 - Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:01 AM EST
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      Henry VII

      He said any suggestion that elected leaders should follow their voters "raises the age old political question. Are we elected to monitor where our constituents are ... or are we to use our best judgment to do what's in the best interests of our constituents."

      They are called representatives for a reason.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#10 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:17 PM EST
      katyggls

      Exactly. I found that highly offensive. Basically he's saying that he knows what's "good for us" better than we do. What a disgusting elitist way to think about what is supposed to be a democratic process.

      • 3 votes
      #10.1 - Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:29 AM EST
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      greenpagan

      Where'd they pack Old Bill off to…?

      ====

      • 3 votes
      Reply#11 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:19 PM EST
      Tacitus13

      They are called representatives for a reason.

      Then why are candidates always looking for representatives to support their campaigns before the voters have a chance to vote? I must admit, I don't understand how members of Congress vote at the conventions, I thought it was just delegates and superdelegates that voted?

      "I don't think it was ever intended that superdelegates would overturn the verdict, the decision of the American people," [Nancy Pelosi] said Thursday.

      Then why were superdelegates ever added to the process?

        Reply#12 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:27 PM EST
        Henry VII

        Then why are candidates always looking for representatives to support their campaigns before the voters have a chance to vote?

        They want to show that they have momentum. They try to sway representatives, but if representatives are doing their jobs - they will vote the way of the people. Unfortunately, they rarely represent the people anymore.

        They shouldn't have been added to the process.

        • 3 votes
        #12.1 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:30 PM EST
        Independent Rob

        The super Delegates are used to temper down the power of the people. There is no other reason for them. It simply weakens the power of the voting public. But it is impossible not to play the super-delegate game when your opponent has a bunch before you even get into the game. Hillary had a bunch of Supers before the race began to get off to a good start.

        • 3 votes
        #12.2 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:54 PM EST
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        replytoj001

        I hope that Bill, Hillary, and the national level Democrats are now ready to not take the black vote for granted.......perhaps now they will understand they will have to earn the black voters.

        replytoj001

        • 3 votes
        Reply#13 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:30 PM EST
        Independent Rob

        Don't trust them too fast!!!. If they indeed make the switch, watch for those same black lawmakers play the race card to re-inject race back into the campaign to sabotage Obama's momentum. If it happens, remember I said it first. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... I don't trust them. Let's hope not, but do not underestimate the Clintons to place a Mole in his group. I know it sounds Diabolical, but if it happens I will be convinced that it was planned.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#14 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:49 PM EST
        OBAMA IS A CHRISTIAN!!! AMEN

        Ron Brown's death saves Hillarys' future and Clintons' Presidency!!! Go to :

        www"dot"

        • 1 vote
        Reply#15 - Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:52 PM EST
        Chasing

        You know, I have absolutely no doubt that white lawmakers are also re-evaluating their support - but I guess that wouldn't make as compelling a headline.

        • 6 votes
        Reply#16 - Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:46 AM EST
        Independent Rob

        We can agree on that for sure. The race/Gender debate makes a more Juicy story for the media

        • 3 votes
        #16.1 - Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:35 PM EST
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