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Satellite Debris Deemed Unhazardous

Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:47 PM EST
us-news, politics, dead, satellite
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<p>In this Dec. 11, 2003 picture provided by the U.S. Navy, a Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) is launched from the Aegis cruiser USS Lake Erie in Kauai, Hawaii as part of the Missile Defense Agency's Ballistic Missile Defense System (BMDS) test against medium range ballistic missiles. The government issued notices to aviators and mariners to remain clear of a section of the Pacific beginning at 10:30 p.m. EST Wednesday, Feb. 20, 2008 indicating the first window of opportunity to launch an SM-3 missile from the USS Lake Erie, in an effort to hit a crippled U.S. spy satellite. (AP Photo/U.S. Navy)</p>

In this Dec. 11, 2003 picture provided by the U.S. Navy, a Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) is launched from the Aegis cruiser USS Lake Erie in Kauai, Hawaii as part of the Missile Defense Agency's Ballistic Missile Defense System (BMDS) test against medium range ballistic missiles. The government issued notices to aviators and mariners to remain clear of a section of the Pacific beginning at 10:30 p.m. EST Wednesday, Feb. 20, 2008 indicating the first window of opportunity to launch an SM-3 missile from the USS Lake Erie, in an effort to hit a crippled U.S. spy satellite. (AP Photo/U.S. Navy)

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WASHINGTON — Debris from an obliterated U.S. spy satellite is being tracked over the Pacific and Atlantic oceans but appears to be too small to cause damage on Earth, a senior military officer said Thursday, just hours after a Navy missile scored a direct hit on the failing spacecraft.

Marine Gen. James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and an expert on military space technologies, told a Pentagon news conference that officials have a "high degree of confidence" that the missile launched from a Navy cruiser Wednesday night hit exactly where intended.

It was an unprecedented mission for the Navy, so extraordinary that the final go-ahead to launch the missile Wednesday was reserved for Defense Secretary Robert Gates rather than a military commander.

Cartwright estimated there was an 80 percent to 90 percent chance that the missile struck the most important target on the satellite — its fuel tank, containing 1,000 pounds of hydrazine, which Pentagon officials say could have posed a health hazard to humans if it had landed in a populated area.

Alluding to a video clip of the missile smashing into the satellite, which he showed at the news conference, Cartwright said, "We have a fireball, and given that there's no fuel (on the tip of the missile), that would indicate that that's a hydrazine fire."

The video showed the three-stage SM-3 missile launching from the USS Lake Erie at 10:26 p.m. EST, northwest of Hawaii, and of the missile's small "kill vehicle" — a non-explosive device at the tip — maneuvering into the path of the satellite and colliding spectacularly.

He said the satellite and the kill vehicle collided at a combined speed of 22,000 mph about 130 miles above Earth's surface, and that the collision was confirmed at a space operations center at 10:50 p.m. EST.

Asked about the satisfaction felt among those in the military who had organized the shootdown on short notice by modifying missile software and other components, Cartwright smiled widely.

"Yes, this was uncharted territory. The technical degree of difficulty was significant here," Cartwright said. "You can imagine that at the point of intercept there were a few cheers that went up."

He cautioned, however, that more technical analysis was required to determine for certain what debris was created and where it might go. The satellite was described as the size of a school bus and weighed about 5,000 pounds.

Unlike most spacecraft that fall out of orbit and re-enter the atmosphere, this satellite had an almost full fuel tank because it lost power and became uncontrollable shortly after it reached its initial orbit in December 2006. Cartwright said the hydrazine alone was justification for undertaking the unprecedented effort to use a Navy missile interceptor to attempt to destroy the satellite in orbit.

Cartwright said experts were still watching the debris fields and he could not yet rule out that hazardous material would fall to Earth. But he said that as of Thursday morning, debris had only been seen in the atmosphere — and none had been detected surviving re-entry. He indicated that debris appeared unlikely to pose a problem.

"Thus far we've seen nothing larger than a football," he said, referring to debris in the atmosphere spotted by radars and other sensors.

The military concluded that the missile had successfully shattered the satellite because trackers detected a fireball. Cartwright said it was unlikely that the fireball could have been caused by anything other than the hydrazine in the tank.

And Cartwright cited two other sources of information that indicate the fuel tank was hit: the appearance of a vapor cloud and the results of spectral analysis, or the study of light emissions, from devices aboard two aircraft that operate from the Pacific test range associated with the Pentagon's missile defense testing.

Debris from the satellite has started re-entry and will continue through Thursday and into Friday, Cartwright said.

The size of the debris is smaller than the Pentagon had forecast and most of the satellite's intelligence value was likely destroyed, Cartwright said. Analysts had said one of the reasons for the shootdown was that officials worried that without it, larger chunks of the satellite could fall and be recovered, opening the possibility of secret technology falling into the hands of the Chinese or others.

Gates arrived in Hawaii less than two hours before the missile was launched. His press secretary, Geoff Morrell, said Gates had a conference call during his flight with Cartwright and Air Force Gen. Kevin Chilton, head of Strategic Command. They told him that "the conditions were ripe for an attempt, and that is when the secretary gave the go-ahead to take the shot, and wished them good luck," Morrell said.

At 10:35 p.m. EST, Gates spoke to both generals again and "was informed that the mission was a success, that the missile had intercepted the decaying satellite, and the secretary was obviously very pleased to learn that," said Morrell.

The elaborate intercept may trigger worries from some international leaders, who could see it as a thinly disguised attempt to test an anti-satellite weapon — one that could take out other nations' orbiting communications and spy spacecraft.

Within hours of the reported success, China said it was on the alert for possible harmful fallout from the shootdown and urged Washington to promptly release data on the action.

"China is continuously following closely the possible harm caused by the U.S. action to outer space security and relevant countries," Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao said at news conference in Beijing. "China requests the U.S. to fulfill its international obligations in real earnest and provide to the international community necessary information and relevant data in a timely and prompt way so that relevant countries can take precautions."

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Associated Press writer Pauline Jelinek contributed to this report from Washington.

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Brian Ford

I for one welcome our new Zombie overlords.

  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:06 PM EST
space guy

Excellent!

  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:07 PM EST
query

I second that, great accomplishment.

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:15 AM EST
Tedd Riggs

Good aim guys. Now can we see some pictures of your handywork ?

  • 3 votes
#2.2 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:21 AM EST
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stephentszuter

Hah! I thought it was a Russian satellite. Shows how much I know.

    Reply#3 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:11 PM EST
    JayMack

    Way to go Navy.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#4 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:18 PM EST
    Noah BradleyDeleted
    Bozzor

    An amazing achievement in precision and a testament to how far this missile technology has come. American ABM technology has had some failures, but with time, problems have been solved and now America can be very proud of its missile defenses...and maybe a bit of an ability to kick some Russian, Chinese and probably Iranian satellite butt!

    • 5 votes
    Reply#6 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:49 PM EST
    Brian White

    Yeah, I completely thought this was just a 'remove dangerous fuel' issue until I heard the Chinese complaining. This was clearly designed to show the Chinese that America rules in the satellite shooting arena.

    However, that has nothing to do with ABM. There is no country we face that has ballistic missiles to threaten us with where we would be able to shoot down more than 1 out of 4,000 missiles, making that pretty futile.

    • 1 vote
    #6.1 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:44 PM EST
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    Bootie

    Why aren't they showing any video of this?

    • 1 vote
    #7 - Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:51 PM EST
    BlaiseP

    There's a rather specific reason you won't see much video: the satellite was moving at roughly 17,000+ mph, hard to say how fast it was moving, but that's close. The missile was moving around 5,000 mph. That's a closing speed of 22,000 mph. At 130 miles up, you've got maybe a microsecond of impact video.

    There's also that little business of national security. The Russians used to park "fishing trawlers" off the coast of Florida, trying to intercept telemetry from our rockets on launch. Their own rockets were launched from Baikonur: we overthrew the regime of Mossadegh in Iran so we could put radars and antennas in the Elburz mountains to listen to their rocket telemetry.

    In eight foot swells, even with a gyroscopically stabilized camera setup, it would be tough to get video anyway.

    • 2 votes
    #7.1 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:07 AM EST
    Bozzor

    I think that the USAF had an airborne surveillance aircraft watching the event, am sure they may capture something of the event.

    • 3 votes
    #7.2 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:19 AM EST
    Bootie

    I'm not trying to be a conspiracy theorist here, but let me get this straight...

    You're telling me we have the technology to navigate space probes to other planets, video asteroids hitting Jupiter, track an object anywhere on the planet with GPS satellites, engineer and coordinate the successful strike a satellite with a missile moving at 17,000 mph, etc..., yet we cannot manage to sync up a telescope/camera to follow the missile or the known trajectory of the satellite and film it? With the technology we have at our disposal, it's difficult for me to accept that.

    I have to believe that, if our military wanted to film it, it would've been filmed. And being such an extraordinary, first-time event, I can't imagine they wouldn't want to film it. They wouldn't have to film it from the water, there is dry land available out there to use. And I don't see how any useful national security information could be gained through a video. If they can release animation of the event, what more would a video show?

    I find it more likely that the military just does not want anyone to see the video.

    • 1 vote
    #7.3 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:56 AM EST
    BlaiseP

    Sure, we can get plenty of video, especially from space. We can get some good imaging in thermal and from radars, but I would be surprised if anyone in the military is going to release enough unclassified video for us to get a good look.

    It's not so much that we can't, but that we don't want to reveal our imaging capabilities. I'm sure the military saw enough of it, especially MDA / NRO / USNAVY. Some grainy video was released for public consumption this morning early, enough to keep folks happy.

      #7.4 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:06 AM EST
      ComSen

      You're telling me we have the technology to navigate space probes to other planets, video asteroids hitting Jupiter, track an object anywhere on the planet with GPS satellites, engineer and coordinate the successful strike a satellite with a missile moving at 17,000 mph, etc..., yet we cannot manage to sync up a telescope/camera to follow the missile or the known trajectory of the satellite and film it?

      You were being a bit harsh and premature. Trying watching any of the news sites and TV news. The Pentagon released video this morning of the encounter.

      You may not agree, but the military is not a branch of the news media with requirements to satisfy instant gratification of a few people.

      • 6 votes
      #7.5 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:54 AM EST
      ComSen

      Incidentally, I posted a link to the CNN article on this here.

      • 1 vote
      #7.6 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:13 AM EST
      Bootie

      Was not trying to be harsh. I just thought the military would be eager to release some decent-quality footage to say, "lookie here what WE can do." Perhaps that's why I have no stars on my collar.

        #7.7 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:00 AM EST
        Tedd Riggs

        Incidentally, I posted a link to the CNN article on this here.

        Nice links by the way.

        Actually....Considering what kind of satellite this was, I am surprised the Navy and DOD gave as much detail as they did. Usually in regard to Recon. Satellites, you hear nothing.

        • 2 votes
        #7.8 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:35 AM EST
        Shawn Gordon

        Usually in regard to Recon. Satellites, you hear nothing.

        thats because up until maybe 5 years ago the US 'didn't have photo capabilities on satellites'...

        • 1 vote
        #7.9 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:41 AM EST
        Tedd Riggs

        Perhaps thats what the public thought, true...

        • 1 vote
        #7.10 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:47 AM EST
        Shawn Gordon

        Perhaps thats what the public thought, true...

        my point...

        • 1 vote
        #7.11 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:51 AM EST
        space guy

        thats because up until maybe 5 years ago the US 'didn't have photo capabilities on satellites'...

        What? Uh we have had photo capabilities on our satellites since about 1961 and Corona.

        • 2 votes
        #7.12 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:37 PM EST
        Tedd Riggs

        Perhaps thats what the public thought, true...

        my point...

        I think Shawn was being a tad bit sarcastic...

        • 1 vote
        #7.13 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:51 PM EST
        dcuben

        Feh - watch for it on Youtube :-P

        (...everything else is there!)

        • 2 votes
        #7.14 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:00 PM EST
        Tedd Riggs

        I already checked YouTube, its not there..(Yet) :-)

        • 2 votes
        #7.15 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:08 PM EST
        Shawn Gordon

        I think Shawn was being a tad bit sarcastic...

        maybe just a little.

        • 1 vote
        #7.16 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:56 PM EST
        Aaron Still

        Since when have you ever been sarcastic? Does that you mean you really are a rocket surgeon? And if so, you should be ashamed for not fixing that poor rocket. It has feelings too.

          #7.17 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:38 PM EST
          Shawn Gordon

          Since when have you ever been sarcastic? Does that you mean you really are a rocket surgeon?

          worry about yourself...hippie.

            #7.18 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:46 PM EST
            patsym546

            I would really love to be able to see video of this!

            • 1 vote
            #7.19 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:17 PM EST
            patsym546

            Oh, I spoke too soon! Thanks for the links-saw the video-that was cool!

              #7.20 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:23 PM EST
              Tedd Riggs

              Well if you have any friends that live on Midway Island, Johnston Atoll or Kwajalein. That would be my guess would be the only non-Navy (other then the standard Russian Trawlers) that got any photos as that seems to be the Lat/Long that I could read off of the Radar that was tracking the bird. It place it right over Midway Island, not exactly an area of too many people...

              • 1 vote
              #7.21 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:23 PM EST
              Shawn Gordon

              well not since the 40s...

                #7.22 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:48 PM EST
                space guy

                Tedd

                Those who know, can tell that the image switched between different imaging systems, the second one had a LOT better resolution.

                • 2 votes
                #7.23 - Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:33 AM EST
                Tedd Riggs

                Yeah I did kinda notice that. Also the first one cut off at 26481 ft. Just a bit to short of range to do much good I would say. Still nice pic's.

                • 2 votes
                #7.24 - Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:03 AM EST
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                Roy Batty

                Hah! I thought it was a Russian satellite.

                Maybe it was. Teehee.

                  Reply#8 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:19 AM EST
                  Kenta Sato

                  Congratulations! very effective missile shooting and now the world is saved from the overlords.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#9 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:34 AM EST
                  Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

                  BAM!

                  I can envision those Navy boys doing the high-five after the successful hit.

                  Go Navy!

                  • 5 votes
                  Reply#10 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:00 AM EST
                  Navyvet48

                  Hey do not forget the Navy girls too after all I was one and am still a she! lol!

                  • 6 votes
                  #10.1 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:49 AM EST
                  Tedd Riggs

                  Nothing like a little fireworks after a hard day at sea :-)

                  • 1 vote
                  #10.2 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:35 PM EST
                  Reply
                  Navyvet48

                  Way to go Navy. Me too! I can see them high fiving it! Did that a few times myself! Hubby was on the Saratoga during the Achille Lauro hijacking and the capture. Heard many stories from that! The whole Armstrong clan gives you the high five.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#11 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:48 AM EST
                  Shawn Gordon

                  — one that could take out other nation's orbiting communications and spy spacecraft.

                  I always have to laugh at that a little bit. It is like saying "Other leaders frown because they'll have a harder time spying on the US and... its not fair. I'm telling...."

                  There's also that little business of national security. The Russians used to park "fishing trawlers" off the coast of Florida, trying to intercept telemetry from our rockets on launch. Their own rockets were launched from Baikonur: we overthrew the regime of Mossadegh in Iran so we could put radars and antennas in the Elburz mountains to listen to their rocket telemetry.

                  They used to pose as repair men or deliverymen ans sit cloe to the Naval Presearch building at Chesapeake Beach back in the 80s. My dad would come hoime and chuckle at things they'd try to do and how obvious they were, with their directional mics and other listening devices, but were talking about a country who thought the hot dog stand in the Pentagon courtyard was missile command.

                  When I was stationed at Ft.Huachuca, AZ we'd get dignitaries who would 'get lost' or 'didn't know they were trying to accidentally wander into a restricted area"... they'd "just have a camera cause they told their kids they'd bring pictures back"... yeah, what kids has a deep interest in the JSTARS CGS and the power mast antenna insides?

                  You can say a lot about our country, but you've gotta admit: we're darn good at blowing stuff up.

                  yeah and we build monster trucks for fun...

                  • 5 votes
                  Reply#12 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:04 AM EST
                  Aaron Still

                  but BIG TRUCKS RULE! get a job hippie!

                  • 1 vote
                  #12.1 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:39 PM EST
                  Tedd Riggs

                  You were at Fort Huachuca ? I remember that place :-) Good ole Electronic Proving Ground. Long ago I did some work with the Test Control Center (TCC) people and also the startup of COSPAS-SARSAT before getting pulled for my all expense trip to Ft. Meade for a while of "interesting times"

                  • 1 vote
                  #12.2 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:02 PM EST
                  Shawn Gordon

                  "interesting times"

                  you had those too? yeah after AIT in AZ I went to Phoenix and the Motoroloa Science and Tech department for IOT&E, we needed to redesign the CGS equipment and were working in implementing the AH64s into the group we picked assigned targets for (as if they could get scarier)... then back to Bragg... and to 'interesting things' here and there...but mostly there...

                  • 1 vote
                  #12.3 - Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:52 PM EST
                  Shawn Gordon

                  but BIG TRUCKS RULE!

                  so I hear.

                  • 2 votes
                  #12.4 - Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:59 AM EST
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