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AUSTIN — Hillary Rodham Clinton accused presidential rival Barack Obama of political plagiarism Thursday night, but drew boos from a Democratic debate audience when she ridiculed him as the candidate of "change you can Xerox."
Obama dismissed the charge out of hand, then turned the jeers to applause when he countered, "What we shouldn't be spending time doing is tearing each other down. We should be spending time lifting the country up."
The exchange marked an unusually pointed moment in an otherwise civil encounter in the days before March 4 primaries in Texas and Ohio — contests that even some of Clinton's supporters say she must win to sustain her campaign for the White House.
The former first lady has lost 11 straight primaries and caucuses, and trails her rival in convention delegates. Obama has won a pair of big union endorsements in the past two days.
In a university auditorium in the heart of Texas, the two rivals agreed that high-tech surveillance measures are preferable to construction of a fence to curtail illegal immigration.
They disagreed on the proper response to a change in government in Cuba in the wake of Fidel Castro's resignation. Clinton said she would refuse to sit down with incoming President Raul Castro until he implements political and economic reforms. Obama said he would meet "without preconditions," but added the U.S. agenda for such a session would include human rights in the Communist island nation.
They also sparred frequently about health care, a core issue of the campaign.
Clinton said repeatedly that Obama's plan would leave 15 million Americans uncovered.
But he, in turn, accused the former first lady of mishandling the issue by working in secrecy when her husband was in the White House.
"I'm going to do things differently," he said. "We can have great plans, but if we don't change how the politics is working in Washington, then neither of our plans are going to happen."
Clinton was combative and complimentary by turns, and reflected on her well-known personal struggles in the debate's final moments.
"Everyone here knows I've lived through some crises and some challenging moments in my life," she said — a thinly veiled but clear reference to her husband's affair with Monica Lewinsky and subsequent impeachment. But she added that nothing she had been through matched the everyday struggles of voters.
Then, offering unprompted praise to her rival, the one-time front-runner said, "No matter what happens in this contest, I am honored to be here with Barack Obama."
Both candidates were plainly popular with the debate audience. During one break someone in the crowd shouted "Si se puede," Spanish for Obama's trademark phrase, "Yes we can."
Clinton largely sidestepped a question about so-called superdelegates, members of Congress, governors and party leaders who were not picked in primaries and caucuses. She said the issue would sort itself out, and "we'll have a unified Democratic party" for the fall campaign.
But Obama, who has won more primaries and caucuses said the contests must "count for something ... that the will of the voters ... is what ultimately will determine who our next nominee is going to be."
Clinton went into the debate needing a change in the course of the campaign, and waited patiently for an opening to try to diminish her rival, seated inches away on the stage. "I think you can tell from the first 45 minutes Senator Obama and I have a lot in common," she said.
Barely pausing for breath, she went on to say there were differences.
First, she said she had seen a supporter of Obama interviewed on television recently, and unable to name a single accomplishment the Illinois senator had on his record.
"Words are important and words matter but actions speak louder than words," she said.
Obama agreed with that, then noted that Clinton lately had been urging voters to turn against him by saying, "let's get real."
"And the implication is that the people who've been voting for me or are involved in my campaign are somehow delusional," Obama said.
Clinton also raised Obama's use in his campaign speeches of words first uttered by his friend, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick.
"If your candidacy is going to be about words then they should be your own words," she said. "...Lifting whole passages from someone else's speeches is not change you can believe in, it's change you can Xerox."
The debate audience booed.
Obama said the entire controversy was evidence of a "silly season" that the public finds dispiriting. Besides, he said of his speeches at one point, "I've got to admit, some of them are pretty good."
The two rivals sat next to one another in swivel chairs in a University of Texas auditorium for the 90-minute debate, one in a dwindling number of opportunities for the former first lady to chart a new course in the presidential race.
She has lost 11 straight primaries and caucuses to Obama — including an overseas competition for support among Americans living aboard — and has fallen behind in the chase for the number of delegates needed to become the presidential nominee.
Obama's strong showing has made him the man to beat in a historic struggle between a black man and a white woman, and even former President Bill Clinton has said his wife must win both Ohio and Texas early next month to preserve her candidacy. New polls show Texas a dead heat, and give Clinton a lead in Ohio, but far smaller than the one she held in recent weeks.
Rhode Island and Vermont also vote on March 4, but offer far fewer delegates and have drawn less attention.
The encounter was the 19th in an episodic series of debates and forums, a run that has ranged from highly civilized to hotly confrontational.
The last time the two met, in Los Angeles, they sat side by side and disagreed politely. But in an earlier encounter last month, in Myrtle Beach, S.C., each accused the other of repeatedly and deliberately distorting the truth for political gain in a highly personal, finger-wagging showdown.
In The Associated Press' delegate count Thursday, Obama had 1,358.5 to 1,264 for Clinton. It takes 2,025 delegates to claim the nomination at this summer's convention.
In a further sign of his growing strength, Obama won the endorsement during the day of the Change to Win labor federation, which claims 6 million members. The Teamsters union announced its support for Obama on Wednesday.
The debate was sponsored by CNN, Univision and the Texas Democratic Party.
© 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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{"commentId":1496885,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
Our Evita is the copycat of Evita Peron. This is why I nicknamed her.
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#26 - Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:58 AM EST{"commentId":1497322,"authorDomain":"chasing"}
You mean Eva Peron, the Spiritual Leader of the Nation?
You really don't know your Argentine history very well, do you...
{"commentId":1497322,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"chasing"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1498118,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
Don't cry for me Argentina...........
Che Guevara.............................
{"commentId":1498118,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1498170,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
Chasing,
Our Evita loves luxury...
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1496953,"authorDomain":"TBK"}
Hillary will never wave the white flag indicating surrender, it's not in her. Just like she will never admit when she has made a mistake, it's just not in her.
It's Hillary's Prideful way or the highway, as Patti Doyle found out.
If they were to say, Hillary the nomination is yours if you just say, I made a mistake in my judgement to rush to war. She would rather forgo the Presidency, instead of admitting she made a mistake.
Remind you of anyone........George W. Bush, will never admit to any of his mistakes and you see where it has gotten us as a country.
{"commentId":1496953,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"TBK"}
- 5 votes
#27 - Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:15 PM EST{"commentId":1497368,"authorDomain":"chasing"}
Your comment seems somewhat contradictory, and dismissive of history. Dubya did "change course", which is pretty much admitting he made a mistake, and, you know what, he wasn't a bad Governor anyway. President, eh, not so much. He is bull-headed, though, I'll give you that.
Hillary, however, works well with both sides of the aisle, so the "her way or the highway" statement makes little sense, although I personally don't mind a spine in a President, in any case.
Moreover, given the information she had, how can she honestly say she made a mistake? It was the same mistake pretty much the entire country made (with some notable exceptions). Was there a rush to war? Yes. Was she a part of it? Yes. Were we all? Yes. Was her constituency - which includes NYC? Absolutely. But she's already said the prosecution has been a mess, and announced she'd pull troops out. How exactly is that being obstinate?
No-one is saying "the nomination is yours if you say you made a mistake" because if she said it, I doubt it would change many votes. Would it change yours?
In any case, she's still ahead in Texas and Ohio (although I do expect she'll lose one or the other - probably Texas). There's still another debate to go, which could change things. And Edwards could still endorse her (or Obama). So it's a bit early for her to throw in the towel. But if she's lost either important March 4 state? Expect her to withdraw from the race.
She came out and said the superdelegates won't decide it - which means she knows one of them is going to drop out, and it may be her, rather than destroy the Democratic party. And her husband said she "must" win Texas and Ohio.
She may decide to go on to Pennsylvania if polls there favor her, and a loss of Texas is only narrow, but I nevertheless predict she'd drop out. But until she does (or doesn't), it's too soon to say "it's just not in her". Because she indicated last night that it very much was.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1497443,"authorDomain":"TBK"}
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{"commentId":1497482,"authorDomain":"TBK"}
Your comment seems somewhat contradictory, and dismissive of history.
http://usliberals.about.com/b/2007/02/23/is-hillary-clinton-too-much-like-george-bush.htm ">Stubborn. Thin-skinned. Loathe to admit mistakes. Temper tantrums. Tongue lashings. Aggressive. Defensive. Disciplined to the point of inflexibility. A feeling of martyred victimhood. Absolute certitude about the rightness of her views. Is Hillary Clinton too much like George Bush? Hillary Clinton's undignified victim-like snit over remarks by a disenchanted former donor gave great credibility to my suspicions that yes, perhaps she is too temperamentally like our recalcitrant President. The U.S. can't afford to elect another of George Bush's ilk to the White House.
Sorry about previous entry, I hit the wrong key.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1498336,"authorDomain":"chasing"}
Your litany is just that....a litany. And it proves nothing. I can do it too, see:
A jar of applesauce, lamb chops, B movies, hot dogs, carnivals. Maybe some of that applies to Bush? Hillary? Hell if I know; I'd have to ask them, but really, I'm not very inclined to.
I don't doubt that she gets angry now and again. I don't doubt she's even had a temper tantrum. I also don't doubt that so have you. I know I have, being as I am, you know, human and all.
But I haven't seen any evidence that she's more prone to it than anyone else, and anyone who thinks she's even remotely like Bush hasn't been paying attention. Well, except I guess they have two arms, two legs, ten toes (I assume)...
Where Bush campaigned as a "Uniter, Not A Divider", Clinton, in the Senate, has actually delivered on that promise. I see no reason why she would not continue in that vein, were she President.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1498425,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
Where Bush campaigned as a "Uniter, Not A Divider", Clinton, in the Senate
Er, she wasn't in the Senate yet, at least as I remember it. The "Uniter" meme was much more a creation of the 2000 campaign (all the Bob Bullock, bipartisan bullpucky), when she was also running her first campaign.
But the rest is true. Bush delivered on what? One? Major bipartisan initiative. Clinton definitely seems to reach across the aisle more than Bush.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1499162,"authorDomain":"chasing"}
I was not implying she ran under that slogan; merely that the man who did, didn't deliver. And the woman who didn't, did.
{"commentId":1499162,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"chasing"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1499211,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
Ah, got it now. Guess I read it wrong the first time.
{"commentId":1499211,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"spiffie"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1501720,"authorDomain":"thedagda"}
A jar of applesauce, lamb chops, B movies, hot dogs, carnivals. Maybe some of that applies to Bush? Hillary? Hell if I know.
Here, let me run them down for you:
A jar of applesauce is Bush's brain, lamb chops are what Osama bin Laden has for dinner every night when he snickers at the news of how the Americans still haven't caught him, B movies are where the president strides out onto the deck of an aircraft carrier in Sandy Eggo and proclaims "Major combat has ended" before it's even begun. Hot dogs are what top Defense Department officials are called before they are called to resign in disgrace and carnivals are what they used to have more and bigger in New Orleans before the Bush Administration failed to adequately prepare for and respond to a catastrophic hurricane which killed more than 1,800 Americans.
Hope that helps.
Where Bush campaigned as a "Uniter, Not A Divider", Clinton, in the Senate, has actually delivered on that promise.
Clinton voted for the war in Iraq. Despite thousands of us telling her not to. Hardly a uniter. Maybe she could campaign under the slogan "I'm a self-server, not a vote-deserver."
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{"commentId":1501813,"authorDomain":"chasing"}
Clinton voted for the war in Iraq. Despite thousands of us telling her not to. Hardly a uniter. Maybe she could campaign under the slogan "I'm a self-server, not a vote-deserver."
I appreciate your attempt at humor. Very funny. Regardless, I already clarified that Clinton delivered on the promise that Bush made - of being a uniter, not a divider. And that is categorically true. Having voted for the Iraq war doesn't make her less willing or able to work in bipartisan fashion to get things done, any more than does starting the morning with Coco Puffs. If that's the sole reason you have to NOT vote for her, fine, then don't. But it proves none of your other points, that she's hardly a uniter, or is self-serving, or not a vote-deserver. Because she deserves mine.
Yours? You do with it what you like. Clearly.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1501844,"authorDomain":"thedagda"}
Clinton delivered on the promise that Bush made - of being a uniter, not a divider
Um, I think the promise's intent was to unite the country behind Bush. Now the country's united against Bush. Approval rating = 19 percent. Want to be elected to Congress but can't speak English? Simple. Get a dildo and a bansai tree. Repeatedly poke the bansai tree vigorously with the dildo. As the crowd realizes you are proclaiming your support for the concept "FÚCK BUSH!" watch the standing ovation build. Invite me to your victory party.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1501957,"authorDomain":"chasing"}
What on Earth are you talking about? I'm talking about how Clinton is NOT like Bush - but you seem to have gone on about a tangent. Involving bonsai trees. And dildos.
Really?
Bush ran as a "uniter, not a divider", and the clear intent was to unite the nation together - and at the time it was believable, because he worked very well with the Democrats in Texas, which, as you no doubt recall, is where he was Governor.
What that has to do with Clinton, I don't know. The point being - he made the promise and did NOT deliver on it. SHE, however, HAS. It's not for nothing that Republicans on the Hill, who spoke ill of her pending her arrival, later had positive things to say, and it's not for nothing that other Democrats, fearful she'd try to make it into the Hillary Show, later conceded that she did not try to overstep her place. You don't have to believe me - look it all up yourself. See, I pay attention to politics all the time, not only when it's a blood sport, and I've been following Clinton for a very long time. So yes, I support her. And yes, I will say, with more fervor than you can possibly imagine, were dildos and bonsai trees not involved, that I believe she IS a uniter, when given the chance.
Hate is easy. So go for it. That's fine - but you've only got your one vote, and it counts the same as mine. You don't get extra votes for passion, or hatred, or love - not for yourself, or Bush, Hillary or Obama. I won't even tell you that there aren't plenty of valid reasons for you not to vote for Hillary. Because, you know what, there are.
I have long conceded that there is every likelihood that Obama will be the nominee. And I have long conceded that a Democrat - just look at primary turnouts - will be in the White House, no matter who was running. And I haven't ever gone for Obama's jugular. And, until yesterday, I'd never asked anyone to vote for Hillary. Now the count is up to 1. I asked my Mom.
I haven't asked you to vote for Hillary. I haven't asked you to like her. I don't mind for you to hate her. But you know what, I seriously don't know what that has to do with dildos, bonsais, OR Bush.
I've also certainly never asked you to vote for a Bush (none of whom are running, not Jeb, not Bonsai, not their family dog).
But I will ask you this thing: what on earth are you going on about, again? And what does it have to do with my comment, above?
{"commentId":1501957,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"chasing"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1502532,"authorDomain":"thedagda"}
Again, the only thing that Bush has proven a "uniter, not a divider" is on consolidating American opposition to him. He is so detested that a non-English speaker following my surefire plan outlined above [dildos and bansai trees not included] could get elected.
Hillary Clinton has shown signs — at least in the past few weeks — of following the same path as W.
Why would we want that?
You say Mrs. Clinton is a uniter, not a divider. Then how come her negative ratings are so high? Maybe it was a typo. Maybe you were claiming Mrs. Clinton is an "untier," that she unties Americans who have recently been in agreement on matters? You got me there, then, but again I ask you:
Why would we want that?
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1503650,"authorDomain":"chasing"}
Hillary Clinton has shown signs — at least in the past few weeks — of following the same path as W.
That being your opinion.
You say Mrs. Clinton is a uniter, not a divider. Then how come her negative ratings are so high?
Why do so many excellent shows get cancelled, while dreck remains on the air? Why do so many good songs never get listened to?
Because life isn't always fair. And for someone with such "high" negative ratings, she seems to be pulling her own in the election, so far.
She is a uniter, not a divider, where it counts - which is, in this case, on the job - which I not only alluded to, but specifically mentioned. So any deviation from that point is simply being obtuse, at this stage. If you're trying to shift the goalpost of the debate, fine, write a different comment, or your own article. But if you're going to reply to what I said, then reply to what I said - not some phantom "other".
In Congress she has proven to be an effective leader that gets things done in bipartisan fashion. Ergo: uniter, not divider.
Why would we not want that, after 7 years of Bush?
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1504306,"authorDomain":"thedagda"}
Cite what she has gotten done, please. Has she ended the war in Iraq? Has she obtained national health insurance for all? Has she stopped the government from spying on American citizens without a warrant?
{"commentId":1504306,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"thedagda"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1504327,"authorDomain":"chasing"}
Has she ended the war in Iraq? Has she obtained national health insurance for all? Has she stopped the government from spying on American citizens without a warrant?
She plans to, she plans to, and she plans to. You know, when she's President?
Has Obama done any of those things? McCain? Anyone?
{"commentId":1504327,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"chasing"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1504447,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
GWB can afford to have below 0 approval easily.
Our Congress:
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{"commentId":1497379,"authorDomain":"funkybunch"}
I think "Experience you can count on to vote for a senseless war that has killed over 3,500 allied soldiers and even more innocent Iraqi's" is more catchy.
{"commentId":1497379,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"funkybunch"}
- 2 votes
#28 - Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:07 PM EST{"commentId":1497693,"authorDomain":"stevehouse"}
Speaking of that, out of curiosity, which came first? Change you can believe in, or Experience you can count on?
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{"commentId":1498349,"authorDomain":"chasing"}
Speaking of that, out of curiosity, which came first? Change you can believe in, or Experience you can count on?
The egg.
{"commentId":1498349,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"chasing"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1498430,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
The dinosaur.
{"commentId":1498430,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"spiffie"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1498453,"authorDomain":"Mars313"}
Jesus
{"commentId":1498453,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"Mars313"}
{"commentId":1498490,"authorDomain":"iarnuocon"}
Dinosaur Jesus. WWJE?
{"commentId":1498490,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"iarnuocon"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1498499,"authorDomain":"Mars313"}
Jesusaurus Rex.... i would be hard to nail one of those to a cross, with those short arms and all
{"commentId":1498499,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"Mars313"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1498541,"authorDomain":"kevindicks"}
T-Rex just went and set off the fire alarm and now he can't get it off because he's got little arms.
{"commentId":1498541,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"kevindicks"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1501857,"authorDomain":"thedagda"}
Jesusaurus Rex.... i would be hard to nail one of those to a cross, with those short arms and all
What sort of tree could hold a 5-ton mass of teeth and tail with nails driven into its paws? And what army is going to be able to raise that cross in the first place?
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{"commentId":1504218,"authorDomain":"archangelrichard"}
Why do you insit like acting as if Hillary was the only senator to vote for the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002
81 Democrats in the house and 29 Democratic senators (58% of the Democratic Senators) voted FOR the resolution. Or let me give you a clue: How did John Kerry vote? Joe Biden? Chris Dodd?
Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Campbell (R-CO), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Nay
Cleland (D-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Corzine (D-NJ), Nay
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Nay
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Ye
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Edwards (D-NC), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Fitzgerald (R-IL), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (D-FL), Nay
Gramm (R-TX), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Helms (R-NC), Yea
Hollings (D-SC), Yea
Hutchinson (R-AR), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Miller (D-GA), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nickles (R-OK), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-NH), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thompson (R-TN), Yea
Thurmond (R-SC), Yea
Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wellstone (D-MN), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Nay
{"commentId":1504218,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"archangelrichard"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1504346,"authorDomain":"thedagda"}
Thus thinning the herd of possible Democratic presidential (and vice presidential) candidates available in the Senate to 19:
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)
{"commentId":1504346,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"thedagda"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1504569,"authorDomain":"funkybunch"}
Right.
That's why I'm voting for the senator who DIDN'T authorize the use of military force in Iraq.
I didn't say she was the only one. I said that she was one. And that's enough for me.
I don't see red and blue. Sorry.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1501479,"authorDomain":"dtagair"}
It is a shame no one has taken a hard look at all of Obama's speeches and his most passionate and memorable passages because they have not been original......1. His speech given 1/24/08 comes from the Spike Lee movie starring Denzel Washington and is almost word for word about how you will be baboozed, you will be hoodwinked by politicians. 2. On 2/3/08 Maria Shriver said in a speech supporting Obama what came to becaome his famous words, "we are the one", which she got from as she stated an old prayer by Alice Walker, which was also in a song by Visionaries. 3. 12/9/08 Oprah Came out with he is the one 4. Feb 2008 Obama YES WE CAN, which came from a birthday party and was in a song sung by children to Chavez. 5. Then of course the famous Devual Patrivk speech from 2006 which he lifted word for word. There is a video on You Tube which shows all of this very dramatically and one thing is clear most of you have been hood winked ..you have been banboozeled by Obama and swept up in words that are not even his own.
{"commentId":1501479,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"dtagair"}
- 2 votes
#29 - Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:46 PM EST{"commentId":1504677,"authorDomain":"We-The-People"}
Hillary tried that argument already... time to evolve and change the strategy.
{"commentId":1504677,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"We-The-People"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1501686,"authorDomain":"thedagda"}
Sgt. you have an affinity for the word "bamboozled" yet you can't seem to spell it. Please write it on the barracks wall for further reference. The senator's speeches are designed to connect with voters, designed to touch something in their minds and show them the possibilities that could ensue should they elect him. To do this, Senator Obama must fuse the familiar with the unknown. He does this by repeating snatches of well-known (or at least familiar) rhetoric and interspersing it with what's known as "the message". It's not plagiarism, it's like what your mother or father did when you were trying to understand a new concept. They put it in terms you could understand, and maybe they used words their own parents told them when they were young.
Did you know that Sen. Obama uses speech writers? Did you know that the other candidates do too? Did you know that not since Abe Lincoln have politicians' words been entirely their own? Did you know that most of us know that, that we "get it", and that we are looking past whether he used the word "perspicacious" or "unanimity" or whether he was the first to use "yes we can" as a rhetorical device?
Did you know that we can read between the lines to get the message? The message is that regular folks, white and black, brown and Asian, who do not have a K Street lobbyist on retainer, can, if we work hard enough together, use Obama as a vehicle to take the government back and make America return to its promise for all of us, not just the wealthy and well-connected. If you don't like the message, you must be a trust-fund baby, Sgt., or maybe you have some other flaw we can't see. But for the rest of us, it's either Obama or bust, baby, because the rest of what's on offer is putrid, putrid, putrid.
{"commentId":1501686,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"thedagda"}
- 3 votes
#30 - Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:14 PM EST{"commentId":1501714,"authorDomain":"We-The-People"}
But for the rest of us, it's either Obama or bust, baby, because the rest of what's on offer is putrid, putrid, putrid.
AAAmennnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!
{"commentId":1501714,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"We-The-People"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1501834,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
Get your check book afther the rhetoric given to us here about Petronio.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
{"commentId":1501834,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1501864,"authorDomain":"thedagda"}
Det, I will send in an extra check with your name on it. $1 per Z. And I encourage others to form their own Det fund for Obama. Give until it hurts her. ;)
{"commentId":1501864,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"thedagda"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1507526,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
Thanks but no, thanks.
{"commentId":1507526,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
{"commentId":1507537,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
IR
AAAmennnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!
May I correct you? I did the same error many times also.
AAAmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!!!!!
{"commentId":1507537,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
{"commentId":1504470,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
When Petronio will announce his cabinet or is going to be another surprise?
{"commentId":1504470,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 1 vote
#31 - Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:54 PM EST{"commentId":1504619,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
Have any of their candidates announced their cabinets yet? No one has even picked a VP. Why are you singling out Obama?
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1504654,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
I have to figure it out, yet.
{"commentId":1504654,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1511582,"authorDomain":"We-The-People"}
I think that it is these kinds of arguments from his opposition is what makes him seem bulletproof. A bunch of jabs and potshots, and slander. After 8 years of Carl Rove, arguments must have a little bit more substance. Not much mind you, but a little more than whats been made so far in the past couple of months.
{"commentId":1511582,"threadId":"223169","contentId":"1317086","authorDomain":"We-The-People"}
- 3 votes
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