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Chavez Warns of War With Colombia

Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:05 AM EST
world-news, venezuela, colombia
Ian James, Associated Press
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<p>Venezuelan soldiers lines up prior to board a military transport at Fort Paramacay in Valencia, Venezuela, Sunday, March 2, 2008. Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez ordered tanks and thousands of troops sent to Venezuela's border with Colombia, accusing his neighbor of pushing South America to the brink of war and saying his government's embassy in Bogota will be closed. (AP Photo/Juan Carlos Hernandez)  </p>

Venezuelan soldiers lines up prior to board a military transport at Fort Paramacay in Valencia, Venezuela, Sunday, March 2, 2008. Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez ordered tanks and thousands of troops sent to Venezuela's border with Colombia, accusing his neighbor of pushing South America to the brink of war and saying his government's embassy in Bogota will be closed. (AP Photo/Juan Carlos Hernandez)

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CARACAS — Venezuela and Ecuador ordered troops to their borders with Colombia, sharply raising tensions after Colombia killed a top rebel leader on Ecuadorean soil.

President Hugo Chavez on Sunday promised Venezuela would respond militarily if Colombia violates its border, where he ordered tanks as well as thousands of troops. He also ordered closed Venezuela's embassy in Bogota.

Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa said he deployed troops to the border while also withdrawing his government's ambassador from Bogota and expelling Colombia's top diplomat.

"There is no justification," Correa said Sunday night, snubbing an earlier announcement from Colombia that it would apologize for the military incursion.

Chavez called the killing of rebel leader and spokesman Raul Reyes and 16 other guerrillas on Saturday an attack by a "terrorist state," saying it shows Colombian President Alvaro Uribe is a "criminal."

"Mr. Defense Minister, move 10 battalions to the border with Colombia for me, immediately — tank battalions. Deploy the air force," Chavez said during his weekly TV and radio program. "We don't want war, but we aren't going to permit the U.S. empire, which is the master (of Colombia) ... to come divide us."

Correa said Colombia deliberately carried out the strike beyond its borders, flying deep into Ecuador to bomb the rebel camp from the south. The Ecuadorean leader said the rebels were "bombed and massacred as they slept, using precision technology."

The Colombian military said the camp was located just over a mile from the border.

Colombian officials have long complained that rebels are allowed to take refuge across its borders in both Ecuador and Venezuela.

Colombia said after the assault that FARC "terrorists" including Reyes "have had the custom of killing in Colombia and taking refuge in the territory of neighboring countries."

In Chile, President Michelle Bachelet offered to mediate in the conflict.

"A situation like this requires an explanation from Colombia to Ecuadoreans, to the Ecuadorean president and to the entire region," Bachelet said. "We are very worried."

Mexico's President Felipe Calderon also offered to helps and urged the countries to begin talking "within the framework of the appropriate regional organizations."

Ecuadorean troops recovered the seminude bodies of 15 rebels in their jungle camp.

Soldiers covered their faces with bandannas to ward off the stench Sunday at the camp, where bodies were splayed on the ground in their underwear. Scattered among the corpses were pieces of clothing, shoes, guns, grenades and a refrigerator.

Soldiers also found three wounded women at the camp — a Mexican philosophy student injured by shrapnel and two Colombians — who were evacuated by helicopter to be treated. Ecuadorean officials said they believe there were two bomb attacks on the camp.

Colombian commandos removed the cadavers of Reyes and one other rebel.

Indignant, Chavez said "they wanted to show off the trophy" and called it "cowardly murder, all of it coldly calculated."

"This could be the start of a war in South America," Chavez said. He warned Uribe: "If it occurs to you to do this in Venezuela, President Uribe, I'll send some Sukhois" — Russian warplanes recently bought by Venezuela.

"This is saber-rattling, trying to make a point," said Adam Isacson, an analyst for the Washington-based Center for International Policy. By holding a moment of silence in honor of the slain rebels during his program, Chavez "has all but said that the FARC will be safe in Venezuela, and that the Venezuelan armed forces would respond to a similar Colombian incursion into Venezuelan territory."

However, Isacson said, the countries share robust trade, the militaries "are not enthusiastic" and the populations of the neighbors "are hardly consumed by war fever."

The situation pushed tense relations between Venezuela and Colombia to a new nadir, though cross-border trade has not yet been seriously affected.

Colombian Vice President Francisco Santos told the U.N. Human Rights Council in Geneva that his government will not accept any provocation that could put the region's stability at risk. In a speech to the body, Santos said Colombia will stand firm in its fight against terrorism. He did not mention Ecuador or Venezuela by name.

Colombia's police commander, Gen. Oscar Naranjo, said documents from a computer seized where Reyes was killed suggested Ecuador's president is deepening relations with the FARC.

The two documents, copies of which were obtained independently by The Associated Press, were apparently written by Reyes in the past two months and addressed to the FARC high command. An Ecuadorean government spokesman called the Colombian claims a lie.

There were no concrete reports on troop movements in Venezuela's state media early Monday. Chavez did not specify how many troops he was sending to the border. A Venezuelan battalion traditionally has roughly 600 soldiers.

Chavez has increasingly revealed his sympathies for the FARC, and in January asked that it be struck from lists of terrorist groups internationally.

The leftist FARC has been fighting Colombia's government for more than four decades, and funds itself largely through the cocaine trade and kidnaps for ransom and political ends.

How exactly Reyes was killed was not immediately clear.

Colombian Defense Minister Juan Manuel Santos said military commandos, tracking Reyes through an informant, first bombed a camp on the Colombian side of the Ecuadorean border. He said the troops came under fire from across the border in Ecuador and encountered Reyes' body when they overran that camp.

"It was a massacre," said Correa, who accused Colombia of lying and said some rebels were shot in the back.

Colombia and Venezuela have been locked in a diplomatic crisis since Uribe sought in November to halt Chavez's efforts to mediate a prisoner swap. The FARC has since freed six hostages to delegates of Chavez, including four released last week.

The FARC has demanded that a safe zone be created in Colombia to negotiate a swap of some 40 high-value captives, including former presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt and three U.S. defense contractors, for hundreds of imprisoned guerrillas.

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Associated Press writers Frank Bajak and Vivian Sequera in Bogota; Gabriela Molina and Jeanneth Valdivieso in Quito, Ecuador; Diego Norona in Angostura, Ecuador; and Sandra Sierra in Caracas contributed to this report.

© 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Roger Walsh

Excursions into a sovereign state is illegal. No ifs or buts about it. You can claim all the noble causes you wish but sovereign states are supposed to have protection from the UN. Unfortunately as we are seeing it's only the ruling elite who have such protections.

By supporting Columbia you have to be comfortable with the notion that a country could enter your territory to route out "terrorists" if they so wish. I'd never be comfortable with that.

Defend your own borders, don't attack others.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 5:40 AM EST
Ivy Mike

You're right but in no way does that mean start a war over it. If we used Chavez el Loco's reasoning we'd be at war with Mexico. He obviously wants to flex the borrowed muscles he has from Russia and has no plans to talk to Columbia.
I have to wonder if this is a plan to start a proxy war between the US and Russia but I don't know how good the US's relationship is with Columbia.

    #2.1 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 5:58 AM EST
    Roger Walsh

    Have Mexico sent troops across the US border recently? In my mind that's an act of war in itself.

    I doubt Chavez will go to war. At present it's a war of words and grandstanding. Hopefully it will stay that way.

    • 1 vote
    #2.2 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 6:00 AM EST
    Apollo

    @Roger Walsh

    Yes Mexico has sent troops across the border, to aid New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.

    • 1 vote
    #2.3 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 7:44 AM EST
    Roger Walsh

    That was really kind of them and I'm sure it was with US approval.

    • 1 vote
    #2.4 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 7:49 AM EST
    ComSen

    Roger Walsh: Excursions into a sovereign state is illegal. No ifs or buts about it.

    So you were against any attacks on Afghanistan after 9/11?

    • 2 votes
    #2.5 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 8:41 AM EST
    Roger Walsh

    Personally, yes, I was. Diplomatic negotiations were not followed through to the extent they should have been. The Taliban offered to hand Osama over to the International Courts. Afghanistan did not carry out those attacks on 9/11.

    Had Afghanistan continued to withhold terrorists when evidence was produced then perhaps there would have been a valid cause for international action against that state.

    Then again, I don't believe the invasion of Afghanistan was ever about Osama or terrorism. If it was then the US failed miserably on both counts. Again, a reason to suggest a diplomatic route would have made more sense.

    • 2 votes
    #2.6 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 8:57 AM EST
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    greenpagan

    The US has been exploiting Latin America and propping up its worst corporate-owned despots for decades. Chavez and his comrades are now making it plain: No más!

    It was none other than that great neo-liberal snake-oil salesman Bill Clinton who --in the last days of his administration--set the groundwork for renewed Yanqui involvement in Columbia and the region under color of military aid to fight "the drug war".

    When's the last time the US supported a genuine people's liberation movement in Latin America, or any place else?

    "Why do they hate us?"

    ====

    • 4 votes
    Reply#3 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 6:01 AM EST
    Roger Walsh

    When's the last time the US supported a genuine people's liberation movement in Latin America, or any place else?

    Yep, America have never wanted to liberate people, just resources. For profit.

    • 2 votes
    #3.1 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 6:45 AM EST
    greenpagan

    There's America the Myth and America the Reality. We have the goddamn stinking Puritan Fathers to thank for both!

    ====

    • 2 votes
    #3.2 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 6:53 AM EST
    Ivy Mike

    @Roger and Apollo -
    Yes they have and they weren't here helping Katrina victims.
    That's just the two I have saved. There are plenty more available.

      #3.3 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 11:28 AM EST
      Ivy Mike

      OK that's a bit of weirdness for you. The above comment was directed toward the 2's. Namely 2.2 and 2.3. Odd that it ended up here.

        #3.4 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 11:34 AM EST
        Roger Walsh

        Ivy Mike, thanks for that, very interesting. The question should be asked, if they do this why is nothing being done about it?

        Do you think things like this are OK and therefore justify other countries doing similar things in contravention to international law? I certainly don't. Whether it's Mexican troops entering America or Colombian entering Equador. Same difference and both should not be allowed to happen.

        • 1 vote
        #3.5 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 11:50 AM EST
        Ivy Mike

        if they do this why is nothing being done about it?

        Oh man I have tried many times to come to an answer but my ears start to bleed after a while. I really wish I knew. I have theories but no time to actually pursue them.
        Do I think it means it's ok? Absolutely not unless the two countries have negotiated standard operating procedures.
        Do I think the UN is a flipping joke. Absolutely. A toothless hound indeed.

          #3.6 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 12:07 PM EST
          Roger Walsh

          Do I think the UN is a flipping joke. Absolutely. A toothless hound indeed.

          in it's current state it certainly is a joke. But that shouldn't stop us from aspiring to better. It's an improvement on the League Of Nations at least.

          • 1 vote
          #3.7 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 12:12 PM EST
          Ivy Mike

          But that shouldn't stop us from aspiring to better

          /agree

            #3.8 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 1:06 PM EST
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            Roger Walsh

            I'll just clarify. I think Chavez has taken a defensive stance and made sure Columbia realise that he will not tolerate similar excursions into his own country. Any sane country would do similar. His actions imo are not a declaration of war or anything of the sort. They are reasonable actions in the face of possible aggression.

            • 4 votes
            Reply#4 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 6:02 AM EST
            djd

            Colombia: the Israel of the Americas? Ignoring borders, backed by a massive amount of US money and armaments, riding rough-shod over international law. Lo and behold, when its neighbours take steps to protect their borders they're the ones starting a war in the eye of the biased mendacious US media.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#5 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 6:49 AM EST
            AdipicAcid

            More like Chavez: the Dubbya of South America? Manufacturing external enemies and wars to boost his flagging popularity at home while running his domestic economy into the sewer. That's why they don't like each other: they have similar Manichean worldviews, just with the Good and Evil reversed.

            • 1 vote
            #5.1 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 8:23 AM EST
            djd

            Sure the domestic economy is in the sewer - the poor people are doing so well under Chavez that they can afford to buy extra meat, and where does meat end up ...

            East Asiatic says Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's policies and higher oil prices have boosted purchasing power for poorer Venezuelans, increasing meat consumption among the Latin American country's 26 million inhabitants. Plumrose, the Venezuelan meat unit, widened its operating margin to 18.3 percent last year, East Asiatic said today, the highest in at least seven years.

            .oOsourceOo.

            • 1 vote
            #5.2 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 8:51 AM EST
            AdipicAcid

            But for how long? Venezuelan oil production is declining due mostly to mismanagement, not declining resources. They are having to buy oil from Russia to meet contracts. That can't go on, just like Bush's spending without taxing can't go on. Both are built on a foundation of sand.

              #5.3 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 9:52 AM EST
              djd

              ^^^^ Two year old link! ^^^^

              • 1 vote
              #5.4 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 10:19 AM EST
              AdipicAcid

              So? Have a more recent one that contradicts it?

                #5.5 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 10:46 AM EST
                djd

                You're talking present tense and supporting it with something that happened two years ago. Have you got an up to date link to show that it is still happening?

                • 1 vote
                #5.6 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 12:09 PM EST
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                ComSen

                So does this mean that Venezula and Eqcuador support terrorism?

                • 1 vote
                Reply#6 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 8:42 AM EST
                Roger Walsh

                In as much as it means America also sanctions terrorism in South America, yes. It does.

                • 1 vote
                #6.1 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 9:01 AM EST
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                caroaber

                I would support a cross border covert operation to free Ingrid Betancourt and other hostages held by the FARC. Of course, the authorities don't know where they are held, they may still be in Colombia. But hostage taking (and let's not forget the toddler boy who was born in captivity to a female hostage and put in foster care, and only recently reunited with his freed mother--what about his trauma?) is itself an affront to civilized conduct.

                This isn't just about Chavez' Venezuela, but about Ecuador too.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#7 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 8:56 AM EST
                Lazarus Long

                It's too bad for Chavez - and Venezuela - that Fidel Castro is very shortly to depart for the great banana republic in the sky. Castro could give him some advice on the pitfalls of making "anti-yanqui-ness" the centerpiece of your foreign policy. Maybe he should call Daniel Ortega and take some notes.

                  Reply#8 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 10:29 AM EST
                  Forest Browne

                  You guys are missing the point, this is a precursor to war between Columbia, who we given the best and most updated military equipment to fight the so-called "War on Drugs", and Venezuela. This will happen as this administration's only affinity to negotiations is military and regime change.

                  The administration wants regime change but can't risk unilateral war against the largest oil producing country in South America......

                  Wait for it.....Wait for it.....as Rice and two naval admirals just returned last week from a meeting with Columbia, this is the actual goal and outcome of those meetings. Any other conclusion is most probably misinformed and wrong headed.

                  Forest

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#9 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 1:05 PM EST
                  Lazarus Long

                  Hmmm. Venezuela sends tanks to the Columbian border because Columbia bombed a FARC guerilla camp in EQUADOR, and you see it all as an American plot against Hugo Chavez? Interesting insight. This would, of course, as a minimum, make him a complete idiot for falling into our trap.

                  I would also point out that this is 2008, not 1918. You do not muster armor along the border with an enemy who has a better air force than you. Unless, of course, you understand that nothing is really going to happen.

                    Reply#10 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 1:32 PM EST
                    Forest Browne

                    I just made a prediction, easy to find out if I'm wrong....wait for it....this is how the overthrow of Iran happened, and Honduras,and Chile,Cuba,etc...etc...etc... they don't ask they do. They will start this war, no matter which side, but it will be at our behest.

                    Forest

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#11 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 2:02 PM EST
                    Lazarus Long

                    I heavily doubt it, but you have to admit; if there is anyone, anywhere who has spent more time trying to goad the US I don't know who it would be. You play with fire you get burned, as my grandfather used to explain.

                      Reply#12 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 2:54 PM EST
                      Forest Browne

                      It doesn't make you the least bit squeamish that we've become the big bad bully. That you piss us off at your peril no matter right from wrong. Columbia's natural resources are owned lock stock and barrel by outside corporations over 99%. In Venezuela Chavez not only has programs for the poor in fact his government is based on helping the poor, he won't let an outside company own more than 49% in the minerals and oil industries.

                      That's why we don't like him, and we will do anything to secure that much oil that close. This administration would like to go to war with them but their proxy state will have to do for now.

                      Mark my words,

                      Forest

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#13 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 3:29 PM EST
                      Lazarus Long

                      Nope. It's one thing to nationalize industries, it's another to go strutting around the world calling us out to fight. But he only does it drive up oil prices, so we've pretty much ignored him.

                      All bets are off though if he really does get connected to FARC. Columbia would have every right to go to war over that.

                        Reply#14 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:42 PM EST
                        Forest Browne

                        Yea you win Long I'm most assuredly going to be ok with a war because he seeks the spotlight. You've just clearly outsmarted me when it comes to knowing everything about South America and no longer need to know anything else.

                        Forest

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#15 - Mon Mar 3, 2008 8:39 PM EST
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