AP Probe Finds Drugs in Drinking Water

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A vast array of pharmaceuticals — including antibiotics, anti-convulsants, mood stabilizers and sex hormones — have been found in the drinking water supplies of at least 41 million Americans, an Associated Press investigation shows.

To be sure, the concentrations of these pharmaceuticals are tiny, measured in quantities of parts per billion or trillion, far below the levels of a medical dose. Also, utilities insist their water is safe.

But the presence of so many prescription drugs — and over-the-counter medicines like acetaminophen and ibuprofen — in so much of our drinking water is heightening worries among scientists of long-term consequences to human health.

In the course of a five-month inquiry, the AP discovered that drugs have been detected in the drinking water supplies of 24 major metropolitan areas — from Southern California to Northern New Jersey, from Detroit to Louisville, Ky.

Water providers rarely disclose results of pharmaceutical screenings, unless pressed, the AP found. For example, the head of a group representing major California suppliers said the public "doesn't know how to interpret the information" and might be unduly alarmed.

How do the drugs get into the water?

People take pills. Their bodies absorb some of the medication, but the rest of it passes through and is flushed down the toilet. The wastewater is treated before it is discharged into reservoirs, rivers or lakes. Then, some of the water is cleansed again at drinking water treatment plants and piped to consumers. But most treatments do not remove all drug residue.

And while researchers do not yet understand the exact risks from decades of persistent exposure to random combinations of low levels of pharmaceuticals, recent studies — which have gone virtually unnoticed by the general public — have found alarming effects on human cells and wildlife.

"We recognize it is a growing concern and we're taking it very seriously," said Benjamin H. Grumbles, assistant administrator for water at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

Members of the AP National Investigative Team reviewed hundreds of scientific reports, analyzed federal drinking water databases, visited environmental study sites and treatment plants and interviewed more than 230 officials, academics and scientists. They also surveyed the nation's 50 largest cities and a dozen other major water providers, as well as smaller community water providers in all 50 states.

Here are some of the key test results obtained by the AP:

_Officials in Philadelphia said testing there discovered 56 pharmaceuticals or byproducts in treated drinking water, including medicines for pain, infection, high cholesterol, asthma, epilepsy, mental illness and heart problems. Sixty-three pharmaceuticals or byproducts were found in the city's watersheds.

_Anti-epileptic and anti-anxiety medications were detected in a portion of the treated drinking water for 18.5 million people in Southern California.

_Researchers at the U.S. Geological Survey analyzed a Passaic Valley Water Commission drinking water treatment plant, which serves 850,000 people in Northern New Jersey, and found a metabolized angina medicine and the mood-stabilizing carbamazepine in drinking water.

_A sex hormone was detected in San Francisco's drinking water.

_The drinking water for Washington, D.C., and surrounding areas tested positive for six pharmaceuticals.

_Three medications, including an antibiotic, were found in drinking water supplied to Tucson, Ariz.

The situation is undoubtedly worse than suggested by the positive test results in the major population centers documented by the AP.

The federal government doesn't require any testing and hasn't set safety limits for drugs in water. Of the 62 major water providers contacted, the drinking water for only 28 was tested. Among the 34 that haven't: Houston, Chicago, Miami, Baltimore, Phoenix, Boston and New York City's Department of Environmental Protection, which delivers water to 9 million people.

Some providers screen only for one or two pharmaceuticals, leaving open the possibility that others are present.

The AP's investigation also indicates that watersheds, the natural sources of most of the nation's water supply, also are contaminated. Tests were conducted in the watersheds of 35 of the 62 major providers surveyed by the AP, and pharmaceuticals were detected in 28.

Yet officials in six of those 28 metropolitan areas said they did not go on to test their drinking water — Fairfax, Va.; Montgomery County in Maryland; Omaha, Neb.; Oklahoma City; Santa Clara, Calif., and New York City.

The New York state health department and the USGS tested the source of the city's water, upstate. They found trace concentrations of heart medicine, infection fighters, estrogen, anti-convulsants, a mood stabilizer and a tranquilizer.

City water officials declined repeated requests for an interview. In a statement, they insisted that "New York City's drinking water continues to meet all federal and state regulations regarding drinking water quality in the watershed and the distribution system" — regulations that do not address trace pharmaceuticals.

In several cases, officials at municipal or regional water providers told the AP that pharmaceuticals had not been detected, but the AP obtained the results of tests conducted by independent researchers that showed otherwise. For example, water department officials in New Orleans said their water had not been tested for pharmaceuticals, but a Tulane University researcher and his students have published a study that found the pain reliever naproxen, the sex hormone estrone and the anti-cholesterol drug byproduct clofibric acid in treated drinking water.

Of the 28 major metropolitan areas where tests were performed on drinking water supplies, only Albuquerque; Austin, Texas; and Virginia Beach, Va.; said tests were negative. The drinking water in Dallas has been tested, but officials are awaiting results. Arlington, Texas, acknowledged that traces of a pharmaceutical were detected in its drinking water but cited post-9/11 security concerns in refusing to identify the drug.

The AP also contacted 52 small water providers — one in each state, and two each in Missouri and Texas — that serve communities with populations around 25,000. All but one said their drinking water had not been screened for pharmaceuticals; officials in Emporia, Kan., refused to answer AP's questions, also citing post-9/11 issues.

Rural consumers who draw water from their own wells aren't in the clear either, experts say.

The Stroud Water Research Center, in Avondale, Pa., has measured water samples from New York City's upstate watershed for caffeine, a common contaminant that scientists often look for as a possible signal for the presence of other pharmaceuticals. Though more caffeine was detected at suburban sites, researcher Anthony Aufdenkampe was struck by the relatively high levels even in less populated areas.

He suspects it escapes from failed septic tanks, maybe with other drugs. "Septic systems are essentially small treatment plants that are essentially unmanaged and therefore tend to fail," Aufdenkampe said.

Even users of bottled water and home filtration systems don't necessarily avoid exposure. Bottlers, some of which simply repackage tap water, do not typically treat or test for pharmaceuticals, according to the industry's main trade group. The same goes for the makers of home filtration systems.

Contamination is not confined to the United States. More than 100 different pharmaceuticals have been detected in lakes, rivers, reservoirs and streams throughout the world. Studies have detected pharmaceuticals in waters throughout Asia, Australia, Canada and Europe — even in Swiss lakes and the North Sea.

For example, in Canada, a study of 20 Ontario drinking water treatment plants by a national research institute found nine different drugs in water samples. Japanese health officials in December called for human health impact studies after detecting prescription drugs in drinking water at seven different sites.

In the United States, the problem isn't confined to surface waters. Pharmaceuticals also permeate aquifers deep underground, source of 40 percent of the nation's water supply. Federal scientists who drew water in 24 states from aquifers near contaminant sources such as landfills and animal feed lots found minuscule levels of hormones, antibiotics and other drugs.

Perhaps it's because Americans have been taking drugs — and flushing them unmetabolized or unused — in growing amounts. Over the past five years, the number of U.S. prescriptions rose 12 percent to a record 3.7 billion, while nonprescription drug purchases held steady around 3.3 billion, according to IMS Health and The Nielsen Co.

"People think that if they take a medication, their body absorbs it and it disappears, but of course that's not the case," said EPA scientist Christian Daughton, one of the first to draw attention to the issue of pharmaceuticals in water in the United States.

Some drugs, including widely used cholesterol fighters, tranquilizers and anti-epileptic medications, resist modern drinking water and wastewater treatment processes. Plus, the EPA says there are no sewage treatment systems specifically engineered to remove pharmaceuticals.

One technology, reverse osmosis, removes virtually all pharmaceutical contaminants but is very expensive for large-scale use and leaves several gallons of polluted water for every one that is made drinkable.

Another issue: There's evidence that adding chlorine, a common process in conventional drinking water treatment plants, makes some pharmaceuticals more toxic.

Human waste isn't the only source of contamination. Cattle, for example, are given ear implants that provide a slow release of trenbolone, an anabolic steroid used by some bodybuilders, which causes cattle to bulk up. But not all the trenbolone circulating in a steer is metabolized. A German study showed 10 percent of the steroid passed right through the animals.

Water sampled downstream of a Nebraska feedlot had steroid levels four times as high as the water taken upstream. Male fathead minnows living in that downstream area had low testosterone levels and small heads.

Other veterinary drugs also play a role. Pets are now treated for arthritis, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, allergies, dementia, and even obesity — sometimes with the same drugs as humans. The inflation-adjusted value of veterinary drugs rose by 8 percent, to $5.2 billion, over the past five years, according to an analysis of data from the Animal Health Institute.

Ask the pharmaceutical industry whether the contamination of water supplies is a problem, and officials will tell you no. "Based on what we now know, I would say we find there's little or no risk from pharmaceuticals in the environment to human health," said microbiologist Thomas White, a consultant for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America.

But at a conference last summer, Mary Buzby — director of environmental technology for drug maker Merck & Co. Inc. — said: "There's no doubt about it, pharmaceuticals are being detected in the environment and there is genuine concern that these compounds, in the small concentrations that they're at, could be causing impacts to human health or to aquatic organisms."

Recent laboratory research has found that small amounts of medication have affected human embryonic kidney cells, human blood cells and human breast cancer cells. The cancer cells proliferated too quickly; the kidney cells grew too slowly; and the blood cells showed biological activity associated with inflammation.

Also, pharmaceuticals in waterways are damaging wildlife across the nation and around the globe, research shows. Notably, male fish are being feminized, creating egg yolk proteins, a process usually restricted to females. Pharmaceuticals also are affecting sentinel species at the foundation of the pyramid of life — such as earth worms in the wild and zooplankton in the laboratory, studies show.

Some scientists stress that the research is extremely limited, and there are too many unknowns. They say, though, that the documented health problems in wildlife are disconcerting.

"It brings a question to people's minds that if the fish were affected ... might there be a potential problem for humans?" EPA research biologist Vickie Wilson told the AP. "It could be that the fish are just exquisitely sensitive because of their physiology or something. We haven't gotten far enough along."

With limited research funds, said Shane Snyder, research and development project manager at the Southern Nevada Water Authority, a greater emphasis should be put on studying the effects of drugs in water.

"I think it's a shame that so much money is going into monitoring to figure out if these things are out there, and so little is being spent on human health," said Snyder. "They need to just accept that these things are everywhere — every chemical and pharmaceutical could be there. It's time for the EPA to step up to the plate and make a statement about the need to study effects, both human and environmental."

To the degree that the EPA is focused on the issue, it appears to be looking at detection. Grumbles acknowledged that just late last year the agency developed three new methods to "detect and quantify pharmaceuticals" in wastewater. "We realize that we have a limited amount of data on the concentrations," he said. "We're going to be able to learn a lot more."

While Grumbles said the EPA had analyzed 287 pharmaceuticals for possible inclusion on a draft list of candidates for regulation under the Safe Drinking Water Act, he said only one, nitroglycerin, was on the list. Nitroglycerin can be used as a drug for heart problems, but the key reason it's being considered is its widespread use in making explosives.

So much is unknown. Many independent scientists are skeptical that trace concentrations will ultimately prove to be harmful to humans. Confidence about human safety is based largely on studies that poison lab animals with much higher amounts.

There's growing concern in the scientific community, meanwhile, that certain drugs — or combinations of drugs — may harm humans over decades because water, unlike most specific foods, is consumed in sizable amounts every day.

Our bodies may shrug off a relatively big one-time dose, yet suffer from a smaller amount delivered continuously over a half century, perhaps subtly stirring allergies or nerve damage. Pregnant women, the elderly and the very ill might be more sensitive.

Many concerns about chronic low-level exposure focus on certain drug classes: chemotherapy that can act as a powerful poison; hormones that can hamper reproduction or development; medicines for depression and epilepsy that can damage the brain or change behavior; antibiotics that can allow human germs to mutate into more dangerous forms; pain relievers and blood-pressure diuretics.

For several decades, federal environmental officials and nonprofit watchdog environmental groups have focused on regulated contaminants — pesticides, lead, PCBs — which are present in higher concentrations and clearly pose a health risk.

However, some experts say medications may pose a unique danger because, unlike most pollutants, they were crafted to act on the human body.

"These are chemicals that are designed to have very specific effects at very low concentrations. That's what pharmaceuticals do. So when they get out to the environment, it should not be a shock to people that they have effects," says zoologist John Sumpter at Brunel University in London, who has studied trace hormones, heart medicine and other drugs.

And while drugs are tested to be safe for humans, the timeframe is usually over a matter of months, not a lifetime. Pharmaceuticals also can produce side effects and interact with other drugs at normal medical doses. That's why — aside from therapeutic doses of fluoride injected into potable water supplies — pharmaceuticals are prescribed to people who need them, not delivered to everyone in their drinking water.

"We know we are being exposed to other people's drugs through our drinking water, and that can't be good," says Dr. David Carpenter, who directs the Institute for Health and the Environment of the State University of New York at Albany.

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The AP National Investigative Team can be reached at investigate (at) ap.org

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{"commentId":1561113,"authorDomain":"cyregray"}
That's why — aside from therapeutic doses of fluoride injected into potable water supplies — pharmaceuticals are prescribed to people who need them, not delivered to everyone in their drinking water.

Again we have the throwaway that let's us know that the AP is not in the interest of discovering truth - but maintaining the status quo.

Relevant, and if I may add, well researched: Fluorine Compounds Make you Stupid: Why is the government not merely allowing but promoting them?

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Reply#26 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
{"commentId":1561441,"authorDomain":"PeteZaHutt"}

Water sources near Keith Richard's home showed unusually high numbers.

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Reply#27 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:08 PM EDT
{"commentId":1564591,"authorDomain":"seward"}

I would have thought that there may have been some rolling stones in that water, too. (round pebbles).

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#27.1 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:42 AM EDT
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{"commentId":1561443,"authorDomain":"jumpstone"}

On an up note, if there can be one, maybe there's THC in the water also.

Now I know where that flash back came from... tap water.

RO is the way to go.

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Reply#28 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:08 PM EDT
{"commentId":1561671,"authorDomain":"nearing"}
RO is the way to go.

RO is too damned expensive and maintenance-laden

See #3.5

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#28.1 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
{"commentId":1561830,"authorDomain":"cobbs"}

I don't think a 5 stage RO system that can handle 60 gallons per day for $169 is all that expensive. It's almost half the $300 you spent 7 years ago for a distiller and there is no power needed to run it. The only thing you have to do is replace the cartiges and the most expensive is the membrane at $44. I'd say that was a good deal.

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#28.2 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:50 PM EDT
{"commentId":1561845,"authorDomain":"nearing"}
The only thing you have to do is replace the cartiges and the most expensive is the membrane at $44. I'd say that was a good deal.

I don't have to replace anything. I'd say I got the better deal.

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#28.3 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:53 PM EDT
{"commentId":1561902,"authorDomain":"cobbs"}

What brand distiller do you have? Many speak of a prefilter in their literature so there must be a schedule to replace those. What is the power consumption for the use over a year?

All the distilled water I've had was pretty tasteless. I like the taste of our well water. But I do live in the mountains a long way from any source of contaminents. We filter for sand and silt and sterilize with UV light all provided by our solar cells. We use any distilled water for the batteries.

But if it works for you great.

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#28.4 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:05 PM EDT
{"commentId":1562264,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

Right on, Steve, it's good to know that UV light is a practical alternative. What sort of process do you have?

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#28.5 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
{"commentId":1562346,"authorDomain":"nearing"}
What brand distiller do you have?

It's called an Ecowater.

Many speak of a prefilter in their literature so there must be a schedule to replace those.

Prefilters are little carbon 'wafers' that really do nothing unless you have large particles in your water to begin with. I don't use one now as I live in a city. When I lived with well water, I did, but they don't really need to be replaced, just rinsed.

What is the power consumption for the use over a year?

Can't answer that. I realize that energy usage is an issue with anything that uses electricity. If I had solar cells on my building I'd say it uses next to nothing, but that isn't the issue, is it? It's whether or not the process is cheaper and/or more convenient.

All the distilled water I've had was pretty tasteless. I like the taste of our well water.

Pure water is not supposed to have any taste. If you like the taste of well water, than drink it, but know that there is something in it beside the H2O that is making it taste.

But if it works for you great.

Same for you on the RO.

My point with distillation is that many people here are commenting that they are screwed with the drugs in their water. Distillation gets rid of all of it and is a convenient way to piece of mind.

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#28.6 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:44 PM EDT
{"commentId":1562744,"authorDomain":"cobbs"}

Gladbutterfly: we use a system designed for public water supplies because we are supplying those that come to the park. You can see it here. There are smaller systems designed for a personal residence that I have in the manager's cabin as no water there is available for public use.

The wells we use are 300 feet deep and have been tested for just about everything and most minerals were so far below department of health standards that they couldn't measure them. I've lived with well water for most of my 55 years and this is the best tasting water I've ever had including natural spring water. It's a god send for a homebrewer like me. Great tasting water= great beer

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#28.7 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:42 PM EDT
{"commentId":1563038,"authorDomain":"MightyMait"}
Great tasting water= great beer

Mmmmm....beer!

My Mom used to live in the hills. She had well-water that came out of the tap a bit turbid. I think there was lots of iron in it. It tasted sweet. I loved that water, and never minded the turbidity.

These days, I hate to drink water, because it all tastes so lifeless. Even bottled spring water tastes like the bottle.

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#28.8 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:16 PM EDT
{"commentId":1564617,"authorDomain":"jumpstone"}

Great tasting water = great tasting coffee, beer, mixed drinks, etc. That's one reason companies that make beverages use RO.

Also, I've been told that UV kills, but does not remove what it kills from the water. I just can't handle the thought of little bacteria skeletons floating in my water.

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#28.9 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:52 AM EDT
{"commentId":1564652,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

Thanks for the link, Steve. That's quite a reasonable price for your own purifier. About how much per month would you say it costs to maintain it?

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#28.10 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:03 AM EDT
{"commentId":1564665,"authorDomain":"cobbs"}

You are correct that UV does not remove the dead bacteria. But think of it this way, as you drink the water your body had the dead germs to use in identifying potential threats. That way when you do encounter live ones your body can react and kill them.

This is how some of the vacicnes work. Such as the polio and flu vaccines.

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#28.11 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:07 AM EDT
{"commentId":1564773,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

Hey, cool. Is that the case in chlorinated water too?

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#28.12 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:31 AM EDT
{"commentId":1566062,"authorDomain":"seward"}
I just can't handle the thought of little bacteria skeletons floating in my water.

So long as they're "friendly bacteria", then it's O.K.

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#28.13 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
{"commentId":1568288,"authorDomain":"jumpstone"}
But think of it this way, as you drink the water your body had the dead germs to use in identifying potential threats

This is a theory, right? Do you use a RO filter with your UV system? Doesn't the UV process just "light up" the heavy metals?

All discussion aside. RO tastes the best. This is one example of what is best for you is also the best tasting. I've heard that distilling "cooks" all the extra oxygen out. That's why it's flat tasting. But this is just a theory, right?

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#28.14 - Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:05 AM EDT
{"commentId":1568445,"authorDomain":"cobbs"}

Yes the drinking of dead germs being good is a theory. We don't use an RO filter with the UV that would be redundant.

We use a sand/silt filter to remove anything that would block the light from penetrating the water. In order to use UV the water has to meet some standards for iron, manganese, TDS, turbidity and suspended solids as these may inhibit the UV from working properly. More here Our park wells were tested and found to have very little in the way of dissolved minerals but there are enough suspended solids to film over the light tube over the course of a few months. We have a sensor to continuously test for that and clean the tube on a schedule.

I think that UV tastes the best as it doesn't change anything about the water except kill micro-organisums. I've had RO processed water at my sisters and it takes out some of the minerals that in small quantities gives water a good taste. Of course the water at my sister's straight from the well is salty so there may not be many other minerals anyway. Pure H2O has no taste. I've boiled water to purify it on camping trips before I bought a filter system and it had a flat taste unless we shook the bottle to get air back in so you may be right about distilling.

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#28.15 - Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:32 AM EDT
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{"commentId":1561698,"authorDomain":"jtrax"}

Anyone who thinks this topic is a non-issue is in self-denial. However, it is not just the water with which we should be concerned. There are many pollutants in our daily environment that we ignore or do not even know about. These pollutants are in the air, in the water, in the food and on surfaces we contact. How can we protect ourselves? I don't think we can. Many of these pollutants are the results of earlier efforts to portect ourselves or lifestyles that are difficult to change. Maybe at some future date we will have to distill our water supply. But, speaking with a limited medical background, drinking distilled water w/o trace natural minerals is not healthy for most people and I would not recomment it to anyone without professional medical supervision.

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Reply#29 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:14 PM EDT
{"commentId":1561732,"authorDomain":"jaredpariah"}
And while researchers do not yet understand the exact risks from decades of persistent exposure to random combinations of low levels of pharmaceuticals, recent studies — which have gone virtually unnoticed by the general public — have found alarming effects on human cells and wildlife.

Can anyone point me to these articles they mention?

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    Reply#30 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1561928,"authorDomain":"MightyMait"}
    And Pomati's work indicates some drugs cause cellular effects at scant concentrations that — strangely — cannot be seen at higher levels.

    This is interesting. Some support for the theory underlying homeopathy, perhaps?

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    Reply#31 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1562268,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

    Hey, that's an interesting possibility, MM:-)

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    #31.1 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":1562440,"authorDomain":"commprof"}

    Amazingly-I don't have a snarky comment about this. I'm just glad that some communities, such as Fargo, whre I lived for three years has been proactive and is testing their water. All municipla systems shoudl follow suit.

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    Reply#32 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:09 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1562547,"authorDomain":"Mars313"}

    HEY! I got dime-sacks of water for $10. 2 for $15. That guy down the street, he's sellin garbage water man, this stuff I got here, it's top-shelf baby. My neighbor is a RxQueen, so this is STRONG. It has a rich, warm flavor with just a hint of Ambien and a slight aftertaste of Zoloft. I'll tell you what, I'll give you the "whole thang" for $85, and you can turn around and flip it yourself. Pure profit.

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    Reply#33 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:38 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1564631,"authorDomain":"jumpstone"}

    lol but I think it's from the wrong angle. The "good stuff" is without pharms, and it will be illegal to purify your own water.

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      #33.1 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:57 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1564684,"authorDomain":"cobbs"}

      If you get a chance watch the movie Idiocracy and see where that might lead. Damn funny too, in a sad way.

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      #33.2 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:11 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":1562558,"authorDomain":"lautenbouvierkiely"}

      I'm investing in under sink two stage filtration systems for my house. It may not be as efficient at filtering every possible contaminant from our water as an osmosis system would be but I believe it is the best alternative.

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      Reply#34 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1562753,"authorDomain":"cobbs"}

      Check out the RO system I linked to in #29.2

      The cost is very reasonable if you want to go the RO route. Regular filters don't take out the drugs.

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      #34.1 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:46 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":1562625,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

      Unfortunately, I am contributing my share of pharmas to the world's water supply. How about you?

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      Reply#35 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:05 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1562635,"authorDomain":"Mars313"}

      i don't. i go natural.

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      #35.1 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:09 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1564809,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

      Good for you. I really wish I could, did for years, but it got uncontrollable without them. @ Curtis (below) I'm not at all surprised by that action by Bayer, but it is beyond shocking, way beyond shocking. They simply MUST be held accountable for this. Otherwise, America loses any shreds of credibility that it still has left. Thanks for the link. I've passed it on. People need to know about this.

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      #35.2 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:39 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1568291,"authorDomain":"jumpstone"}

      What credibility were you speaking of? ; )

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      #35.3 - Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:08 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1570797,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

      Yeah, hope springs eternal:-)

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      #35.4 - Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:29 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":1562972,"authorDomain":"CurtisLow"}

      Who trusts the FDA anyway. I stopped taking meds about 5 months ago and I feel much better.

      I've always distilled my water.

      This is why I don't trust the FDA

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      Reply#36 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1563778,"authorDomain":"nearing"}

      Holy Cow, CL, thanks for that clip!

      Damned Fascists!!!!!!

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      #36.1 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:32 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":1564379,"authorDomain":"PeteZaHutt"}

      so thirsty...

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      Reply#37 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:31 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1564549,"authorDomain":"seward"}

      Me too, think I'll pop out to the kitchen and pour myself a nice glass of Hormones!

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      #37.1 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:27 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1564689,"authorDomain":"cobbs"}

      Just make sure those hormones aren't raging

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      #37.2 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:13 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":1566071,"authorDomain":"seward"}

      I know I have been sounding as though I'm treating this subject flippantly, but I am not. It is serious, and people have a Right to know exactly what is in the water that they drink and bathe in.

      Don't forget, chemicals and other minerals can seep into the skin as well.

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      Reply#38 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1566906,"authorDomain":"cyregray"}

      Personally I have a brita... probably will look into RO or distillation cuz I have no clue what I'm drinkin outta the taps of surburban Pennsylvania.

      ...and I'm a little ticked now cuz those brita filters are expensive!

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      Reply#39 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:12 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1568328,"authorDomain":"jumpstone"}

      Carbon is only one step and should be combined with other filters like RO. Silver impregnated carbon is a whole debate to itself.

      As to showering, the longer you run the tap, the higher the level of chlorine you will fine, up to the level at the plant. Chlorine, dissipates from the water with time. You will most likely not find any levels in you hot water tank if it has been sitting a while.

      But, run your cold water a minute or two, mix it with your hot water and cover your opened pores with the result and you are introducing a known carcinogen into your system. Here's an interesting exercise. Pick up a cheap swimming pool test kit. Check your hot and cold taps. Check them with the first few ounces out and after you let them run a bit. You'd be surprised.

      Most municipal water would not require chlorine for a day if it was in a swimming pool. I tested one water supply that in fact, had too much chlorine.

      I leave my hot water tank temperature just as hot as I can stand it in the shower just so I don't have to introduce chlorine with the cold water. It may not eliminate all the chlorine, but it's a start, and it makes me feel better. It's temperature safe for the kids as well!

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      #39.1 - Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:26 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1570801,"authorDomain":"inghar2004"}

      Yeah, expensive, and they seem to have cornered the market in Ontario. Brita is about all I can find here in new systems. And the refill cartridges cost almost as much as the whole unit! Rip off!

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      #39.2 - Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:31 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":2955167,"authorDomain":"wpblind"}

      I would like to add a new idea to the mix. It seems once again that all the chatter is about "in the moment" information. We still are not talking about the future. One of the issues that bothers me most is :Why are we wasting all of those drugs that could be used by people that don't have the same medical opportunities that we do in the good 'ol USA? I know there are laws, policies,etc. that get in the way, but surely the must be some way to get these drugs to organizations like "Doctors Without Borders" or other international medical aid programs. Once again I see those of us that have, being wasteful and never thinking about those that don't have.

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        Reply#40 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2968101,"authorDomain":"wbrianwhite"}

        The drugs in the drinking water come from people peeing out the drug as the body expels it. There is no way to recover that from the water.

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          #40.1 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:00 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":2959146,"authorDomain":"mpellerin5108"}

          Good point. However, some drugs are prescribed according to individual needs. Some common drugs may not be so critical and could be used by others. Weight, age and severity of problem are weigh-in factors and also allergy factors.

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            Reply#41 - Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:22 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2970122,"authorDomain":"wpblind"}

            Two points: (1) The doctors are the ones that know about how to use the drugs. They figure that when they write you the prescription, so they could do it with what they had on hand. When my mother-in-law died at the rehab facility where she was living at the time, they had on hand a new two week supply of all her medications. They were all individually sealed in bubble wrappers and were clearly marked as to what they were. The facility could not use them, could not give them to us, so they were flushed. What a waste.

            (2) The article was not only talking about the drugs we pee into the system, but also about the ones that the nursing facilities, hospice, and hospitals are flushing down the toilet.

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              Reply#42 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:45 AM EDT
              {"commentId":2974916,"authorDomain":"wbrianwhite"}

              No, the article actually doesn't say anything about that at all. It is quite clear:

              How do the drugs get into the water?

              People take pills. Their bodies absorb some of the medication, but the rest of it passes through and is flushed down the toilet. The wastewater is treated before it is discharged into reservoirs, rivers or lakes. Then, some of the water is cleansed again at drinking water treatment plants and piped to consumers. But most treatments do not remove all drug residue.
              ...
              Human waste isn't the only source of contamination. Cattle, for example, are given ear implants that provide a slow release of trenbolone, an anabolic steroid used by some bodybuilders, which causes cattle to bulk up. But not all the trenbolone circulating in a steer is metabolized. A German study showed 10 percent of the steroid passed right through the animals.

              So people, and livestock, pee out the drugs. That is how it ends up in the water. If you are talking about people throwing away drugs, that is a different topic.

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                #42.1 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:15 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":2976087,"authorDomain":"wpblind"}

                The AP article in my paper dated Sept.15, 2008 states in its opening paragraph, "U.S. hospitals and long-term care facilities annually flush millions of pounds of unused pharmaceuticals down the drain, pumping contaminants into America's drinking water." It then went on to talk about hospice, and continues by presenting the above information. I did not realize that the information presented above does not include that part of the same investigation by the same authors. The rest of the info is the same. A Goggle of the article sent me to this site so I am not sure why all of the investigation was not presented. It also went on to talk about all of the medications that are being flushed down by individuals who are getting rid of their old medications from their medicine cabinets.

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                  Reply#43 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:24 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":2978085,"authorDomain":"cobbs"}
                  I am not sure why all of the investigation was not presented

                  Probably because this article was seeded over 6 months ago on Sun Mar 9, 2008. It up there at the top of the seed. You're not the first or the last to get caught by a similar article.

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