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Is Salvia the Next Marijuana?

Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:44 AM EDT
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Jessica Gresko, Associated Press
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<p>Packaging and a packet containing salvia divinorum, which is a legal hallucinogenic drug sold at novelty stores, smoke shops and adult video stores, are shown here in Tigard, Ore., Saturday, March 3, 2007. Salvia divinorum is native to Mexico and has been used for hundreds of years in indigenous healing rituals. Lawmakers in eight states have put restrictions on it, and Florida is considering making it illegal. (AP Photo/Don Ryan, File)</p>

Packaging and a packet containing salvia divinorum, which is a legal hallucinogenic drug sold at novelty stores, smoke shops and adult video stores, are shown here in Tigard, Ore., Saturday, March 3, 2007. Salvia divinorum is native to Mexico and has been used for hundreds of years in indigenous healing rituals. Lawmakers in eight states have put restrictions on it, and Florida is considering making it illegal. (AP Photo/Don Ryan, File)

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TALLAHASSEE — On Web sites touting the mind-blowing powers of Salvia divinorum, come-ons to buy the hallucinogenic herb are accompanied by warnings: "Time is running out!" and "stock up while you still can."

That's because salvia is being targeted by lawmakers concerned that the inexpensive and easy-to-obtain plant could become the next marijuana. Eight states have already placed restrictions on salvia, and 16 others, including Florida, are considering a ban or have previously.

"As soon as we make one drug illegal, kids start looking around for other drugs they can buy legally. This is just the next one," said Florida state Rep. Mary Brandenburg, who has introduced a bill to make possession of salvia a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

Some say legislators are overreacting to a minor problem, but no one disputes that the plant impairs judgment and the ability to drive.

Native to Mexico and still grown there, Salvia divinorum is generally smoked but can also be chewed or made into a tea and drunk.

Called nicknames like Sally-D, Magic Mint and Diviner's Sage, salvia is a hallucinogen that gives users an out-of-body sense of traveling through time and space or merging with inanimate objects. Unlike hallucinogens like LSD or PCP, however, salvia's effects last for a shorter time, generally up to an hour.

Salvia divinorum is not one of the several varieties of common ornamental garden plants known as Salvia.

No known deaths have been attributed to salvia's use, but it was listed as a factor in one Delaware teen's suicide two years ago.

"Parents, I would say, are pretty clueless," said Jonathan Appel, an assistant professor of psychology and criminal justice at Tiffin University in Ohio who has studied the emergence of the substance. "It's much more powerful than marijuana."

Salvia's short-lasting effects and the fact that it is currently legal may make it seem more appealing to teens, lawmakers say. In the Delaware suicide, the boy's mother told reporters that salvia made his mood darker but he justified its use by citing its legality. According to reports, the autopsy found no traces of the drug in his system, but the medical examiner listed it as a contributing cause.

Mike Strain, Louisiana's Agriculture and Forestry Commissioner and former legislator, helped his state in 2005 become the first to make salvia illegal, along with a number of other plants. He said the response has been largely positive.

"I got some hostile e-mails from people who sold these products," Strain said. "You don't make everybody happy when you outlaw drugs. You save one child and it's worth it."

An ounce of salvia leaves sells for around $30 on the Internet. A liquid extract from the plant, salvinorin A, is also sold in various strengths labeled "5x" through "60x." A gram of the 5x strength, about the weight of a plastic pen cap, is about $12 while 60x strength is around $65. And in some cases the extract comes in flavors including apple, strawberry and spearmint.

Web sites such as Salviadragon.com tout the product with images like a waterfall and rainbow and include testimonials like "It might sound far fetched, but I experience immortality."

Among those who believe the commotion over the drug is overblown is Rick Doblin of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, a nonprofit group that does research on psychedelic drugs and whose goal is to develop psychedelics and marijuana into prescription medication.

"I think the move to criminalize is a misguided response to a very minimal problem," Doblin said.

Doblin said salvia isn't "a party drug," "tastes terrible" and is "not going to be extremely popular." He disputes the fact teens are its main users and says older users are more likely.

"It's a minor drug in the world of psychedelics," he said.

It's hard to say how widespread the use of salvia is. Because it is legal in most states, law enforcement officials don't compile statistics.

A study of released last month by the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services found just under 2 percent of people age 18 to 25 surveyed in 2006 reported using salvia in the past year. A 2007 survey of more than 1,500 San Diego State University students found that 4 percent of participants reported using salvia in the past year.

Brandenburg's bill would make salvia and its extract controlled substances in the same class as marijuana and LSD.

Florida state Sen. Evelyn Lynn, whose committee unanimously passed the salvia bill on Tuesday, said the drug should be criminalized.

"I'd rather be at the front edge of preventing the dangers of the drug than waiting until we are the 40th or more," she said.

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  • Public Discussion (24)
Mars313

Well damn, I guess I have to get some.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:45 AM EDT
Jack Huang

I just have to say: It is mindblowingly different from marijuana.

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:01 PM EDT
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Memebot

The problem with this is the justification for making it illegal. With no known adverse side-effects or related deaths it's kinda hard to argue why it should be banned. If it's to keep it out of reach of teens then simply regulate it like tobacco. There are worse side-effects related to tobacco and alcohol, and more related deaths and yet we do not make these "drugs" illegal. It's a bit of a double standard with no logical explanation other than if it makes you see things it must be evil. I've tried the substance only a few times in the past, the trip lasted no longer than 10 minutes and certainly wasn't damaging in any way. Kids do worse things and will find other ways of experiencing a high like suffocation or paint/glue sniffing which kills many kids every year. You can't stop kids from doing this, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a social/developmental function to getting high when you're young. So if salvia is a safer means to experiencing a short-lived high then the state should embrace it as a safer alternative, just regulate it. The case of a kid having a darker mood has probably more to do with other factors than taking the drug, hardly a solid case.

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:36 AM EDT
Restso

"I think the move to criminalize is a misguided response to a very minimal problem," Doblin said.

Doblin said salvia isn't "a party drug," "tastes terrible" and is "not going to be extremely popular." He disputes the fact teens are its main users and says older users are more likely.

I've never tried it, more or less because of the experiences I've heard from people who have. I don't think I've heard of anyone that had a good experience with it... most stories end up with someone hiding some where after becoming ill and swearing never to use it again... I don't think salvia is cause for concern.

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:37 AM EDT
Karl Shea

I've heard the same thing, also directly from the people who have tried it.

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:01 AM EDT
Eco-geek

Funny, no one I know has ever had a bad experience with it. Also, I've never heard of the effects lasting an hour. 10-15 minutes, tops.

  • 2 votes
#3.2 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
Restso

10-15 minutes, tops.

That's what I've heard too.

  • 1 vote
#3.3 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:53 PM EDT
Jack Huang

Well, there's a certain amount of freaking out afterwards if you didn't start out knowing it'd wipe out the first 10 seconds of your post-toke memory.

  • 2 votes
#3.4 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:02 PM EDT
Eco-geek

Well, there's a certain amount of freaking out afterwards if you didn't start out knowing it'd wipe out the first 10 seconds of your post-toke memory.

Whaaa??

I must not have had the good stuff. :)

    #3.5 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:44 PM EDT
    Jack Huang

    Seriously, you're missing out on newbie amnesia-induced hysteria, man.

      #3.6 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:33 PM EDT
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      phree

      Brandenburg's bill would make salvia and its extract controlled substances in the same class as marijuana and LSD.

      Marijuana is in the same class as LSD?

      And what the hell happened to our freedom? These old farts want everything illegal!

      • 4 votes
      Reply#4 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:02 AM EDT
      facepalm

      As an old fart, I'd like to say that I don't wish this herb to controlled in the same manner as LSD and marijuana. By the same token, it's just a matter of time before it will be. Why? Sadly, this is because the people most responsible for drawing it into the public eye are not educated and responsible users but irresponsible idiots who think it would be "fun". What exactly about it is fun?

      Well, take a look at youtube and search for salvia there. There are plenty of videos posted by folks who seem to think it might be fun. Their opinions after using it are a mixed bag, however. Seconds after inhaling the smoke the hallucinations begin and the user, to the outside observer, is "gone". Blotto. Wasted. The user initially maintains varying degrees of coherence and often laughs or shows other signs that the experience is enjoyable. Then the user typically loses the capacity to communicate, their facial expressions usually indicate bewilderment or confusion, rarely outright delight, their motor skills are dramatically impaired, etc. See for yourself.

      Are those necessarily bad things? In and of themselves, I don't think so, but that's just my opinion. However, these effects necessarily call for a certain amount of prudence. Any of the "reasoned" literature one may find on its use, such as that found at erowid.org, urges the user to only use the herb with a sitter. The sitter's job is to ensure the physical safety of the user (and others) and, if necessary, to aid the user through the possible (read: highly likely) bad trip.

      Look at the youtube videos again. How much responsible use does one find posted there? From the videos and comments, does it seem like the majority posting have bothered to do even a modicum of research before using? Or are they more likely trying it solely because they heard it's "fun" or that it will really @!$%# you up, and only for a few minutes at that? Note the so-called "sitters" as well. Occasionally one will find a video illustrating a decent sitter at work, so to speak. The vast majority of the videos I've seen, however, show something quite the contrary. The sitters don't necessarily maintain the proper control of the user, often permitting the user sufficient freedom of movement to allow for serious injury. And the psychological atmosphere! When one sees the number of users apparently having bad trips, is there any wonder why? Generally speaking, these appear to be users and sitters who have never heard of, much less understood, set and setting.

      As for the potential of fun, take a look at the user reports at erowid.org. Sure, there are occasional positive reviews of salvia's effects. Those reports typically appear to be written by folks with some familiarity with the use of entheogens. Then again, quite a few of the negative reports have the same characteristic. One should note, however, that the negative reports far outnumber the positive. Look at how the negative reports characterize the experience. These are hardly descriptions of fun.

      Now go back and look at those youtube videos again. We can't see what the user is experiencing, but in light of the user reports at erowid we can surmise some possibilities. After some few moments, what the user is experiencing and perceiving may have little to no relationship whatsoever to their actual environs. Is it such a good idea for the sitter to permit them to move around as they all too often do? And watch the laughter and hijinks of the users' "friends" in this context. At the moment, their every conception of reality is challenged and compromised by salvia's effects. The "innocent" laughter and often well-intended comments often precede those times video captures the user entering into a less-than-pleasant state.

      My rather long-winded point, if one hasn't already grokked it, is that the very people responsible for giving salvia use a bad rep have one other thing in common...

      How many old people do you see in those videos?

      Those of us with the prudence and wisdom to perhaps glean the positive effects of entheogen use are yet again facing the prospect of having ready access to these plants, often seen by us old farts as sacraments, restricted and possession and use criminalized.

      If you want to see these plants remain legal, do yourself and everyone else a favor. Next time some idiot suggests casual use, all in good fun, and can't so much as discuss the use and effects intelligently, smack 'em with a clue by four and get some new friends. Hopefully those particular idiots will find some other way to win a Darwin award without jeopardizing other people's legitimate use of these plants.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#5 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:20 PM EDT
      phree

      My apologies on the old fart remark. I meant the old farts in control, who think their opinions are in the best interest of everyone else.

        #5.1 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:43 PM EDT
        Anita's Angle

        Bravo! Well said and spoken. There is wisdom in these words...

          #5.2 - Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:38 PM EST
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          Eric Atienza

          That's because salvia is being targeted by lawmakers concerned that the inexpensive and easy-to-obtain plant could become the next marijuana.

          You mean the next plant that is ridiculously outlawed in order to waste money in prevention and unnecessarily incarcerate thousands of people?

          said Florida state Rep. Mary Brandenburg, who has introduced a bill to make possession of salvia a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

          Oh. Asked, and answered I suppose.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#6 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
          Jack Huang

          "As soon as we make one drug illegal, kids start looking around for other drugs they can buy legally. This is just the next one," said Florida state Rep. Mary Brandenburg, who has introduced a bill to make possession of salvia a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

          Does the sentiment that "If we make one thing illegal, kids will just find other things" coming from the guy trying to outlaw "the next thing" seem ironic at all?

          • 4 votes
          Reply#7 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:06 PM EDT
          Cory Montville

          Jessica, you are a very unintelligent person. Not fully, because you have the ability to write amazing propaganda, but because of the fact that you do so. If you had taken the liberty to really research your topic, maybe interview someone who had tried it then you might have understood it more. 1 hour? more like 10 mins to 20 mins. The relation of the suicide to the drug is completely irrelevant, although they linked it to it, they are obviously just trying to put blame on something. You use quotes from people who work for the government to oppose the drug, and you use quotes from people in socially disapproved of organizations to support the drug. Propaganda, the same thing used by the government to make pot illegal and the same thing used to convince a nation to murder 13 million. You obviously are just a straight-edge, uptight, ignorant, and for a lack of a better work bitch. But I bet you drink, which is worse than pot, lsd, shrooms, and salvia put together.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#8 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:18 PM EDT
          gogole

          I am 20 years old and use salvia on occasion. I have been carded everytime I've purchased it legally from a tax-paying smoke shop. All this to say, no salvia is being sold to minors by legitimate businesses. There is no "high" to salvia, and it certainly is not habit-forming. The effects last around 10 minutes. The only cause for concern related to salvia is that it may fall into the hands of the same batch of idiots that sniff aerosol cans and O.D. on cough syrup. It is impossible to overdose on salvia. The same cannot be said for alcohol, which stays in the body 5 times longer.

          It's stories like this that make parents paranoid and ensure that our legislature gets away with another theft of our individual rights. This herb should not be made illegal. How about a call for a ban on over-the-counter pain medications, which actually kill teens?

          Jessica, please do your research before writing an article. And research does not mean asking a government official. It means talking to Daniel J. Siebert, the leading scientist studying the drug.

          Your negligence to journalistic integrity turns my stomach.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#9 - Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:51 AM EDT
          Vincent Grayson

          Salvia sucks. Seriously, it's like all the worst parts of smoking and taking a hallucinogenic drug.

          Stick to LSD and shrooms for all your tripping needs.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#10 - Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
          John Clarke

          I replied to a very similar article by the BBC last November. Here's the main point:

          The article also reports calls for a federal ban on Salvia in the US after the suicide of a teenager who 'had at some point smoked the plant'. It is a well known fact that ALL suicide victims have at 'some point' drank water, or inhaled oxygen - should we look into banning those too? People seem to be grasping at straws here to find a reason why a drug which, whilst it may be abused by some, is enjoyed by many, should be outlawed. There will always be irresponsible people when it comes to mind-altering substances - one only needs to look at alcohol to see that. In fact, why the hell would any government even think about banning salvia, when in over 65% of suicide cases, alcohol may have been a factor! (Source: Department of Health, 2003)

          Original reply: coffeesh0p. com/news/salvia_divinorum_in_the_news/ (remove space after . )

            Reply#11 - Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:32 PM EDT
            pr0zaccc

            Is salvia the next marijuana"? No,  since when did salvia last an hour? Unless you chew, it lasts less than ten or fifteen minutes. The moment i saw "Native to Mexico and still grown there, salvia divinorum is generally smoked but can also be chewed or made into a tea and <b>drunk</b>." I can't take an article seriously after i see a grammar error like that.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#12 - Fri Oct 3, 2008 10:30 PM EDT
            doc-1087544

            The only reason people use this weird junk is because marijuanna, our blessed and holy-God-given naturally easy-growing weed, is restricted by a our facist mind-control police state. Scatter seeds... stop the madness.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#13 - Thu May 7, 2009 8:33 PM EDT
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