Lynndie England Blames Media for Photos

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BERLIN — Lynndie England, the public face of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, told a German news magazine that she was sorry for appearing in photographs of detainees in the notorious Iraqi prison, and believes the scenes of torture and humiliation served as a powerful rallying point for anti-American insurgents.

In an interview with the weekly magazine Stern conducted in English and posted on its Web site Tuesday, England was both remorseful and unrepentant — and conceded that the published photos surely incensed insurgents in Iraq.

"I guess after the picture came out the insurgency picked up and Iraqis attacked the Americans and the British and they attacked in return and they were just killing each other. I felt bad about it ... no, I felt pissed off. If the media hadn't exposed the pictures to that extent, then thousands of lives would have been saved," she was quoted as saying.

Asked how she could blame the media for the controversy, she said it wasn't her who leaked the photos.

"Yeah, I took the photos but I didn't make it worldwide. Yes, I was in five or six pictures and I took some pictures, and those pictures were shameful and degrading to the Iraqis and to our government," she said, according to the report.

"And I feel sorry and wrong about what I did. But it would not have escalated to what it did all over the world if it wouldn't have been for someone leaking it to the media."

England, who was a private first class, was in several images taken in late 2003 by U.S. guards at Abu Ghraib. One showed her holding a naked prisoner on a leash, while in others she posed with a pyramid of naked detainees and pointed at the genitals of a prisoner while a cigarette hung from the corner of her mouth.

Asked by the magazine if what happened at Abu Ghraib was a scandal or something that happens during wartime, England said it was the latter.

"I'm saying that what we did happens in war. It just isn't documented," she was quoted as saying. "If it had been broken by the news without the pictures it wouldn't have been that big."

She told the magazine that there are other photographs that have not been released that contain more graphic images than those that were seen on television, in newspapers and on the Internet.

"You see the dogs biting the prisoners. Or you see bite marks from the dogs. You can see MPs (military police) holding down a prisoner so a medic can give him a shot," she said. "If those had been made public at the time, then the whole world would have looked at those and not at mine."

England was released in March 2007 after serving half her 36-month sentence. She was convicted of six counts involving prisoner mistreatment.

England said she is living with her parents in Fort Ashby, W.Va., along with her son, Carter, whose father is Charles Graner Jr., the reputed ringleader of those who took the pictures. They were both members of the 372nd Military Police Company based in western Maryland.

Eleven U.S. soldiers were convicted of crimes at the prison near Baghdad. Graner received the harshest sentence, a 10-year prison term.

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Interview: http://tinyurl.com/22grxw

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{"commentId":1593807,"authorDomain":"Griff69"}

Wow, the hits just keep on comin'

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Reply#1 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:28 PM EDT
{"commentId":1593812,"authorDomain":"iarnuocon"}

"I feel sorry and wrong about what I did. But it would not have escalated to what it did all over the world if it wouldn't have been for someone leaking it to the media." Yes, damn the media for creating this situation. Stupid media. If they didn't suck so bad, this never would have happened!

And I thought that I couldn't think any less of her.

Wrong.

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  • 33 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:31 PM EDT
{"commentId":1593817,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

"And I would have gotten away with it, it if weren't for those pesky kids!"

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  • 31 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:32 PM EDT
{"commentId":1595069,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}

"...and their dog!"

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  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:54 AM EDT
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{"commentId":1593850,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

I used to feel sorry for this scape goat.

believes the scenes of torture and humiliation served as a powerful rallying point for anti-American insurgents.

NO sh** sherlock, maybe you should have questions why you were doing it then.
You do know the pictures themselves did nothing to rally the insurgents but the events that captured? Had you not tortured people couldn't take your picture torturing? You miss england are responsible for us solider deaths.

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  • 17 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:42 PM EDT
{"commentId":1593854,"authorDomain":"prezo"}

What a dumb b****

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  • 12 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:43 PM EDT
{"commentId":1593866,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
"You see the dogs biting the prisoners. Or you see bite marks from the dogs. You can see MPs (military police) holding down a prisoner so a medic can give him a shot," she said. "If those had been made public at the time, then the whole world would have looked at those and not at mine."

A regime guilty of war crimes and torture, blessed at the White House and Pentagon, got wrapped into a tidy scandal that ruined the lowest player. Heck of a plan, goodies all around, with a pinch of propaganda and a little muscle in the form of a classified stamp that flies.

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  • 15 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:45 PM EDT
{"commentId":1594362,"authorDomain":"luckydog"}

The Bush administration has made sure this will never happen again...by banning cameras.

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  • 14 votes
#6.1 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1593892,"authorDomain":"brett-wlkr"}

sick,idiotic,blaming little b****,face what you and your gutless comrades did.own it.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:52 PM EDT
{"commentId":1593914,"authorDomain":"IndependentVoter"}

She is a disgrace to the uniform.

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  • 13 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:57 PM EDT
{"commentId":1594004,"authorDomain":"greenpagan"}

And probably a disgrace out of one too...

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  • 14 votes
#8.1 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:19 PM EDT
{"commentId":1594200,"authorDomain":"ronk"}

Thanks for the chuckle greenpagan.

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  • 2 votes
#8.2 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:04 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1593978,"authorDomain":"qdi"}

And if we didn't have police forces poking their noses in I could rob banks and get away with it.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
{"commentId":1594009,"authorDomain":"greenpagan"}

Re Lynndie England

At least now we know what happened to Larry Mondello…

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  • 2 votes
Reply#10 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:19 PM EDT
{"commentId":1594132,"authorDomain":"keylargodave"}

Wow, she really is that stupid.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:49 PM EDT
{"commentId":1594283,"authorDomain":"courts"}

Not stupid. Evil.

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#11.1 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:29 PM EDT
{"commentId":1594306,"authorDomain":"replytoj001"}

Yes, she really is that stupid........

replytoj001

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    #11.2 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":1594321,"authorDomain":"leftist"}
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    {"commentId":1594351,"authorDomain":"replytoj001"}

    When this story broke I knew she was one of the lowest players who was going to pay; the enlisted usually go to prison, while the officers get to resign their commission.

    The photos were stupid, never should have been taken.

    I blame the Non Commissioned Officers (NCO's) in all of this. Where was their leadership? Where was their "lead by example"? The NCO's should have done so much better, they failed in their duties.

    I also blame the officers who knew what was going on and allowed it to happen.

    I also blame a system that allowed the National Guard (NG) and the Army Reserve (AR) to continue to report their Combat (C-__) Status as a C-1, or C-2, when clearly the units were C-3 or C-4.

    I blame our Congress and our Senate for under-funding, under-staffing, and under-equiping the NG and AR for many years.

    This whole story sickened me then and it still sickens me now.

    For your review;http://www.army.mil/leaders/SMA/creed.htm

    The NCO Creed is something to strive to be, it sets a code to live by. Sadly the NCO's of that unit, and others, forgot what the NCO creed means.

    replytoj001

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    • 3 votes
    Reply#13 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1594390,"authorDomain":"courts"}
    The photos were stupid, never should have been taken.

    The photos depicted horrible crimes that dehumanized prisoners. They were grotesque. They never should have been taken because the crimes they immortalized should never have been committed.

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    #13.1 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1594997,"authorDomain":"luckydog"}

    When I was in the military a concept we lived by was "that you could delegate authority but not responsibility". Apparently in today's military you can.

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    • 3 votes
    #13.2 - Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":1594487,"authorDomain":"wickenden"}

    She's so convinced that the "enemy" is bad and that we are the "good guys" that it must be just an unfortunate incident that the "media" turned into something bad. "So what if we humiliated fellow human beings and took pictures of them? That was OUR business".

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    • 3 votes
    Reply#14 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:31 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1594507,"authorDomain":"luckydog"}

    Lynndie England is still being victimized by the idea implanted in the minds of the guards by their superiors and contractors that what they were doing was "good" because they were softening up the prisoners for interrogation. This goes right up the chain of command through Rumsfeld, Gonzales and Bush and those people ought to be in jail and disgraced. Instead they are out and about and still advocating torture.

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    • 8 votes
    #14.1 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:38 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1594772,"authorDomain":"courts"}

    Although I understand what you're trying to say, I firmly disagree with the categorization of this woman as a victim.

    "I was just following orders" didn't work for the Nazis at Nuremberg and it doesn't work here. She brutalized people, laughed at their anguish and pain, and continues to show no remorse. Casting her as a "victim" of any kind unnecessarily takes attention away from the victims of her crimes.

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    • 4 votes
    #14.2 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:33 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1594907,"authorDomain":"luckydog"}

    I am not in anyway excusing or condoning her actions but trying to relate to how shallow the moral training of some young people combined with both the stress of long hours in a thoroughly disgusting environment surrounded by people of a certain mindset I can to a certain extent understand why an otherwise normal person would behave abnormally. The real villains here in my opinion are those in her chain of command that either failed to give guidance and supervision or actively abetted the criminal activity.
    I was just following orders doesn't work for our enemies but it is surprisingly effective for some in defending the indefensible.

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    • 2 votes
    #14.3 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:33 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":1594875,"authorDomain":"harfish"}

    To quote Zero Punctuation: The American Marines act with short sighted self-righteousness, convinced that they are the heroes of their own personal war movie. You know, just like in real life.

    Having served in Afghanistan alongside US Forces, I have to say that's not far wrong and this particular soldier is another prime example of their attitude.

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#15 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:15 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1594929,"authorDomain":"headinthegame"}

    of course, it was the media's fault...it wasn't the fault of the perpetrators....no, it couldn't have been that

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    Reply#16 - Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:48 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1595003,"authorDomain":"luckydog"}

    The left wing media no doubt.

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    #16.1 - Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:17 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":1595294,"authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}

    Eighteen months in jail and no repentence. She still feels a bit sorry for herself.

    Bank robber to police: 'They never would have caught me, and this would be no big deal if that bank hadn't installed cameras...'

    The military did the right thing by booting these people out of the service and sending them to jail.

    And yes, I'm a vet. U.S. Army. More years ago than I care to remember. (laughs)

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    • 3 votes
    Reply#17 - Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:31 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1595337,"authorDomain":"roybatty"}

    I read the headline, I looked at the photo, I assumed I know what the headline meant till I read the story.

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#18 - Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:04 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1595365,"authorDomain":"gaspantspress"}

    The bigger story here should be: "White House, Pentagon Blame Media (and Lynndie) for Photos"

    Do recall that the Pentagon fought tooth and nail to keep the 2nd round of photos under raps for reasons of "image" before a Federal judge ordered their release. (They were blocked again on appeal, before being leaked.)

    Why here's Dick Cheney saying that releasing more photos of Iraqi prisoner abuse might do little more than give journalists "more pictures to print."

    As luckydog and others have explained, this was freaking POLICY that went right up the chain of command to the White House and the Office of the Sec Def: Government documents prove there is an Administration of Torture which Bush and Rumsfeld (thus Cheney) were directly and personally involved in sanctioning. Certain top brass and the Pentagon knew what was going on, and not only encouraged it, but phoned in for updates.

    "Detainees were actually chained with their hands above their heads in these airlocks," says Moazzam Begg. "His number, 421, was something that I could see often, because his back was towards me."

    "There were always officers coming and going through the facility," says Eric Lahammer. "We kind of joked about it as being the 'greatest show on earth'; everyone wanted to come and look at the 'terrorists.'"

    "[Defense Secretary Donald] Rumsfeld's office called our office frequently," adds Pfc. Damien Corsetti. Very high commanders would want to be kept up to date, on a daily basis, on certain prisoners there."

    "The brass knew," Corsetti continues. "They saw 'em shackled. They saw 'em hooded, and they said 'Right on. Y'all are doin' a great job.'"

    Direct your ire a little bit higher.

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    • 4 votes
    Reply#19 - Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:27 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1596026,"authorDomain":"gaspantspress"}

    On August 30, an American military court acquitted Lieutenant-Colonel Steven Jordan, the only officer to face criminal charges in regard to the abuse and torture of prisoners shown in the photos from Abu Ghraib in Iraq.
    ...

    Ten ordinary soldiers have been convicted for what they are seen doing in the Abu Ghraib photos, and several of those featured carrying out barbaric and criminal acts have been sent to prison. Jordan, found innocent of responsibility for the actions of the men and women under his direct leadership, was convicted, ironically, of breaking an order not to discuss the case, for which he was reprimanded.

    This decision is all the more shocking because Jordan figured prominently in the report of the official investigation of Abu Ghraib written by U.S. Army Major General Antonio Taguba. As a punishment for what he wrote, Taguba was ordered to retire from the Army. Later, in an interview with investigative journalist Seymour Hersh in The New Yorker magazine (June 25, 2007), he said that the intelligence officer Jordan seemed to be intimately involved with and probably leading the interrogation of the prisoners that guards had been told to "soften up" through torture. Taguba also told Hersh that the Army commander in Iraq, Lieutenant General Sanchez, "knew exactly what was going on," and that the procedures for torturing prisoners at Abu Ghraib had been worked out by Major General Geoffrey Miller, the commander at Guantánamo, who was brought to Abu Ghraib in 2004 to "Gitmo [Guantánamo]-ize" the American prison system in Iraq.

    In line with the allegations in The Lancet letter, Taguba recounts crimes even more hideous than seen in the released photos. In addition to scenes of extreme sexual humiliation involving a father and son and others showing a woman prisoner exhibited naked for the camera, he says in the interview that photos and videos that the American authorities managed to cover up showed U.S. soldiers raping Iraqi men and women prisoners. Some photos from the same set published by the Australian media purport to show the bodies of men beaten and shot to death.
    ...

    An unnamed "former senior intelligence official" told Hersh that in dealing with the crisis created when the Abu Ghraib photos were released, the "basic strategy was 'prosecute the kids in the photographs but protect the big picture.'"

    - Source -

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    • 3 votes
    Reply#20 - Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1598601,"authorDomain":"leftist"}

    @!$%# UGLY

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