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NEW ALBANY — Debra Starks has heard the calls for Hillary Rodham Clinton to quit the presidential race, and she's not happy about it.
The 53-year old Wal-Mart clerk, so bedecked with Clinton campaign buttons most days that friends call her "Button Lady," thinks sexism is playing a role in efforts to push the New York senator from the race. Starks wants Clinton to push back.
"The way I look at it, she's a strong woman and she needs to stay in there. She needs to fight," Starks said at a Clinton campaign rally. "If you want to be president, you have to fight for what you want. If she stays in there and does what she's supposed to do, I think she'll be on her way."
Amid mounting calls from top Democrats for Clinton to step aside and clear the path for rival Barack Obama, strategists are warning of damage to the party's chances in November if women — who make up the majority of Democratic voters nationwide, but especially the older, white working-class women who've long formed the former first lady's base — sense a mostly male party establishment is unfairly muscling Clinton out of the race.
"Women will indeed be upset if it appears people are trying to push Hillary Clinton out of the way," said Carol Fowler, the South Carolina Democratic Party chair who is backing Obama. "If you are going to ask her to withdraw, you'd better be making a strong case for it — both to the candidate and the public."
Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy last week became the first leading Democrat to openly call on Clinton to abandon her bid and back Obama, a sentiment shared by many activists worried that a drawn-out nominating contest only bolsters Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain.
Other Obama supporters have echoed that view while stopping short of asking Clinton to withdraw.
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson on Sunday called Obama's lead all but insurmountable, while Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry said the contest would be reaching "a point of judgment" very soon.
"I don't think it's up to our campaign or any individual to tell Hillary Clinton or their campaign when that is," Kerry, the 2004 Democratic nominee, said on ABC's "This Week" on Sunday. "But there will be, I think, a consensus about it, and I think it's going to occur over these next weeks."
To be sure, Clinton campaign officials concede her path to winning the nomination is not at all clear.
She almost certainly will end the primary season narrowly trailing Obama in the popular vote and among pledged delegates unless the nullified primaries in Florida and Michigan are counted — an unlikely scenario at best. But Obama is unlikely to end the race with the 2,024 pledged delegates needed to win outright either, meaning the nominee will be determined by roughly 800 "superdelegates" — elected officials and party insiders who can back whichever candidate they want.
Most observers believe the superdelegates are unlikely to risk an intraparty uproar — not to mention the ire of black voters thrilled to support a black candidate — by siding with Clinton if Obama maintains his lead among pledged delegates.
But Clinton advisers believe many superdelegates remain at least persuadable, due in no small part to the influence of women voters on the party and in the general election.
"My e-mail is bursting with women who are furious, and it's grown in the last week," said Ann Lewis, Clinton's director of women's outreach and a longtime Democratic activist.
"These women are the volunteer infrastructure of the Democratic Party who've been proud to support Democratic officials for what they believe and stand for," Lewis said. "They are very angry that people they've worked for so hard would be so dismissive of Hillary and, by extension, of them and what they value."
Indeed, the gender gap in most of the primaries thus far has been stark.
In California, Clinton bested Obama by a margin of 59 percent to 36 percent among women. She beat him by 54 percent to 45 percent among women in Ohio, an important general election battleground state.
Obama, in turn, has walloped Clinton among men in nearly every state. But he's prevailed among women in just a handful of places, including his home state of Illinois and states with large black populations.
For his part, the Illinois senator — whose seemingly disrespectful crack of "You're likable enough, Hillary" during a debate with Clinton may have cost him the New Hampshire primary — said Saturday he did not believe Clinton should end her campaign.
"My attitude is Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants," Obama said in Pennsylvania, which holds its primary April 22.
Nine more primaries follow, ending June 3.
Clinton insists she's in it to the end, saying a "spirited contest" is good for the party and ultimately will produce a stronger nominee.
"There are millions of reasons to continue this race: people in Pennsylvania, Indiana and North Carolina, and all of the contests yet to come," she told reporters Friday in Hammond, Ind. "This is a very close race and clearly I believe strongly that everyone should have their voices heard and their votes counted."
Campaigning across the state Saturday, Clinton was greeted by large, heavily female crowds that shouted "You go, sister!" and "We've got your back!" in support of her pioneering candidacy. Indiana votes May 6.
Marie Wilson, president of the White House Project that trains women to run for office, noted that women typically have rallied around Clinton when she's appeared most vulnerable — from the revelations of her husband's dalliance with White House intern Monica Lewinsky to January's New Hampshire primary after the bruising loss to Obama in Iowa.
"Women have always been asked to step aside if it was somehow for the greater good. In this case, Clinton, and a lot of her female supporters, clearly feel that she would make the better president and that it would not be for the greater good for her to step aside," Wilson said.
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{"commentId":1637629,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}
Spin, damn spin and then.... election reporting.
They keep making stories by cutting up the population into segments. There is no such thing as a "woman voter" or a "black voter" - there's only voters who happen to be black or women or LOST fans or scared of 4 more years in Iraq, or worried about their mortgage or more likely some combination of all the above. Pollsters make their living stereotyping people and it's just bloody irritating.
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- 28 votes
#1 - Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:54 PM EDT{"commentId":1637661,"authorDomain":"Blitzen"}
couldn't have said it better
{"commentId":1637661,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"Blitzen"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":1637751,"authorDomain":"njb"}
Me either....
I get so sick of MSM sometimes.
{"commentId":1637751,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"njb"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1638180,"authorDomain":"cyregray"}
and so goes the art of manipulating public opinion.
Doesn't she look freakishly fake in those pictures? Like plastic... a leer... almost joker-esque. I know the women gives me creepy vibes. She's scarier then Bush.
{"commentId":1638180,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"cyregray"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1638183,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
if there is no such thing as a "woman voter" then how come they get cast in movies.
lol sorry to be flippant but your generic titles reminded me of movie credits.
{"commentId":1638183,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1638258,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}
That's my point, Joules.
{"commentId":1638258,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"djehuty"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1641464,"authorDomain":"objectivity"}
{"commentId":1637704,"authorDomain":"Jivatmanx"}
The 53-year old Wal-Mart clerk, so bedecked with Clinton campaign buttons most days that friends call her "Button Lady," thinks sexism is playing a role in efforts to push the New York senator from the race. Starks wants Clinton to push back.
Wow.
Imagine if Obama supporters accused Clinton supporters of being racists.
Oh, I forgot, man-bashing is not only accepted, but encouraged these days.
{"commentId":1637704,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"Jivatmanx"}
- 13 votes
#2 - Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:22 PM EDT{"commentId":1637990,"authorDomain":"candygrl11"}
i agree... and I am female!
{"commentId":1637990,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"candygrl11"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1638434,"authorDomain":"njb"}
Hey...I don't support man bashing at all. I have sons I dearly love.
Sure they are goofy and need us to remind them where their keys are, but are wonderful living beings with a deep sense of purpose and honor.
My son just got in trouble last week for selling condoms at school. I just asked if he had enough sense to make a profit. Go save lives...just don't get caught.
Seriously, I don't support, gender, race or any other bashing (jury is still out on Republicans).
I am tired of the old guard. Enough with that 'they are plotting against me' thinking.
{"commentId":1638434,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"njb"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1638605,"authorDomain":"biggerthebetter"}
"Oh, I forgot, man-bashing is not only accepted, but encouraged these days. "
You reap what you sow...you have to give respect to get it.
{"commentId":1638605,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"biggerthebetter"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1638624,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}
How about "2 wrongs don't make a right"?
Thing is it's pretty hard to complain about sexism when you're also engaging in it. I fully realise that the power imbalance is all one way, but why legitimise a tactic you despise?
{"commentId":1638624,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"djehuty"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":1638805,"authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
it's pretty hard to complain about _______— when you're also engaging in it
but why legitimise a tactic you despise?
Let's cut to the videotape of Rev.Wrights sermons......and ask him that question....
When he's finished...of course.
{"commentId":1638805,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1638866,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}
Go right ahead. But listen to the whole thing not some sound bites.
{"commentId":1638866,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"djehuty"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1638929,"authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
Go right ahead. But listen to the whole thing not some sound bites.
Does the "whole thing" include the "sound bites".
Or is it edited.... like the Website....for more "universal" consumption?
If so....that's "biting" enough.
{"commentId":1638929,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1637749,"authorDomain":"psyny"}
Wow, man-bashing. That almost sounds as terrible as wife-beating.
Except its not.
{"commentId":1637749,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"psyny"}
- 2 votes
#3 - Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:38 PM EDT{"commentId":1639245,"authorDomain":"Henryvii"}
No, but it's far more prevalent.
If it's still racism when Blacks engage in it, then it's still sexism when women engage in it.
The 53-year old Wal-Mart clerk, so bedecked with Clinton campaign buttons most days that friends call her "Button Lady," thinks sexism is playing a role in efforts to push the New York senator from the race.
Also, this really goes to show the level upon which Wal-Mark clerks think.
(No offense to my Wal-Mart clerk friends.)
{"commentId":1639245,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"Henryvii"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1639265,"authorDomain":"marygj"}
Henry it is sad too considering Wal-mart and the Clinton's association with them. Those are the types of people the Clintons rely on to push this primary. I wonder if they found out the position she was in but did not bother to help them...hmmm!
{"commentId":1639265,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"marygj"}
Comment collapsed by the community{"commentId":1637983,"authorDomain":"dtagair"}
Obama is a questionable candidate for a number of reasons 1. His 2006 trip to Kenya when he was escorted around the country by his cousin who was running for President of that country and later lost.
The legitimate government of Kenya cautioned Obama about interfering in their internal affairs. Why to go for a newly elected Senator. After Obama's cousin lost the election he started a genocide of those who opposed him, especially Christians. This struggle continues today with Obama's cousin calling for the formation of a radical Islamic state. There needs to be a complete investigation of Obama's 2006 visit to Kenya and he needs to answer where he stands on this issue today--are we going to be lead into Kenya as the next hot spot. 2. Obama denied a meeting ever took place between Canadians and his economic adviser about NAFTA but later had to admit a meeting indeed took place when a memo surfaced from a Canadian who attended the meeting. Is this an open and transparent government Obama promises if elected? No, it is secret meetings behind closed doors! 3. The Rev Wright dilemma
clearly illustrates Obama is a closet racist and anti-American. His two books further support this conclusion. 4. Obama claims to want all Americans votes to count and stated he would go along with any plan agreed to by the DNC to settle the situation with Florida and Michigan but when an agreement
was set up for a do over in Michigan paid for by private donations, agreed to by the DNC and Hillary only Obama held out causing it to fail. Therefore Obama disenfranchised the people of Michigan and went back on his word. As for Florida since both candidates names were on the ballots there is no reason the vote cannot stand as is except Obama lost and cannot accept defeat. Keep in mind Obama was the only one to run ads in Florida when every one had agreed not to campaign in the state and he still lost. Just for his breaking the rules the vote should stand as is for Hillary and he should be reprimanded. 6. Obama's involvement with Resko, the slum lord now on trial for corruption, needs to be investigated and the public needs to know just what really took place--Resko was Obama's main financial; supporter from Chicago representative, when he ran for Senate and then for President. Mrs Resko bought the adjoining land next to the Obamas new home only to resell it to them at a low price, why? There are more reasons for Obama to step down and out of the race than for Hillary to do so.
{"commentId":1637983,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"dtagair"}
- 3 votes
#5 - Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:19 PM EDT{"commentId":1638000,"authorDomain":"candygrl11"}
REALLY??? I would like to see you cite some of this instead of spewing BS!!! You have NO PROOF of this!!!
Don't even let me get started on the endless SCANDALS, LIES, & MANIPULATIONS that the CLINTONS are heavily involved in!!
ITS the CLINTONS fault that we got GW in the first place! AMERICA was so sick of that finger pointing family stating lies after lies to cover up lies, that they were willing to take anyone that was the furthest thing from a CLINTON! See where we ended up??
I will vote for Hillary bc I would always like to see a DEM before a REPUB... but you are spilling utter nonsense.
And, I have seen your posts... you won't vote for Obama anyhow... so your argument is moot!!!
{"commentId":1638000,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"candygrl11"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":1638065,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}
You got it, Jazzy.
{"commentId":1638065,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"djehuty"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":1638189,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
looking at your comments and posts I am going to guess you work or the clinton campaign.
No I know there are other supports here on the vine, but your mode of speech and the thinsg you attack, and the fact that you appear to have attacking info that generally hasn't be reported on, I have to assume you work for one of the candidates. You also repeat debunked info that has been well debunked in msm. So conciderign your support for hill, I have to assume you work for the clinton campaign.
{"commentId":1638189,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1638817,"authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
Obama claims to want all Americans votes to count and stated he would go along with any plan agreed to by the DNC to settle the situation with Florida and Michigan but when an agreement was set up for a do over in Michigan paid for by private donations, agreed to by the DNC and Hillary only Obama held out causing it to fail. Therefore Obama disenfranchised the people of Michigan and went back on his word. As for Florida since both candidates names were on the ballots there is no reason the vote cannot stand as is except Obama lost and cannot accept defeat. Keep in mind Obama was the only one to run ads in Florida when every one had agreed not to campaign in the state and he still lost. Just for his breaking the rules the vote should stand as is for Hillary and he should be reprimanded.
Yea.....But I think he said " count for him"...They must've missed that!
{"commentId":1638817,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
{"commentId":1639204,"authorDomain":"marygj"}
Sgt time for your daily Obama bash. Nice of you to show up...
{"commentId":1639204,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"marygj"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1638100,"authorDomain":"abbi"}
To Jazzy: You are like a little kid covering his ears and saying, "la, la, la, la, la" rather than listen to something sensible such as the comment Sgt. David A. Tartaglia just posted. I am sure you can check out his story if you really care to look into it. In my opinion also, there is more reason for Obama to drop out of the race than for Senator Hillary Clinton.
Thank God, I think there are enough sensible adults in America who will refuse to vote for Obama because he is an overly ambitious slick politician who lacks the experience and judgment to be president. There are too many unknown concerns about Obama which could deeply hurt America. He has not been on the national stage long enough to completely investigate him as he should be investigated.
The DNC is going to be in big trouble if they don't count or re-do the votes in Florida and Michigan. Hillary Clinton could already be ahead of Obama if those votes were counted, and I believe they will be counted before the race is over. I am quite sick of the suggestions that Hillary should quit. Hillary Clinton will probably be the next President of the USA!!!
{"commentId":1638100,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"abbi"}
- 2 votes
#6 - Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:12 PM EDT{"commentId":1638305,"authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
Thank God, I think there are enough sensible adults in America who will refuse to vote for Obama because he is an overly ambitious slick politician who lacks the experience and judgment to be president. There are too many unknown concerns about Obama which could deeply hurt America. He has not been on the national stage long enough to completely investigate him as he should be investigated.
Sorry to wake you up from your dreamy slumber but you got your facts all wrong MAM. All the sensible Americans have voted, and that's why Obama is ahead in the popular vote and delegates, and they're calling for Hillary to hang it up and quit.
Besides all the BS written by Sgt David (of what?) you've got nothing concrete on Barack. The polls are even showing now that the attempt at trying to destroy him with the Rev. Wright story didn't really take like they wanted it to, BUT!!!!!!!
The polls are showing that the more Hillary tries to take pot shots at Barack, the more it goes negatively against her.
So keep believing the BS....I understand the Clinton supporter strategy, "A Wing and A Prayer" that's why Obama said "Hillary can stay in the race as long as she wants." Pssst...It was a back handed compliment. He's really saying the reality will soon hit her right in the face so let her go as long as she wants. She'll run out of hot air soon enough
{"commentId":1638305,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":1638833,"authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
All the sensible Americans have voted, and that's why Obama is ahead in the popular vote and delegates
Are you counting Fla. and Michigan...or are you running a smaller more "convenient" race?
{"commentId":1638833,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1639227,"authorDomain":"marygj"}
#6
Sgt only shows up with a comment to Obama bash. Being new to NV yourself you will find out it is easy to get a reputation when you present yourself the way Sgt has done.
{"commentId":1639227,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"marygj"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1639251,"authorDomain":"Henryvii"}
gpnavonod,
Even if you count the states the blatantly broke party rules, Obama has a large lead. It is such a lead that Clinton will have to beat him 60-40 in the remaining races to get the majority of the pledged delegates and command the super-delegates. She's just too stubborn to get out.
{"commentId":1639251,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"Henryvii"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1639301,"authorDomain":"cyregray"}
This bit of 'teamwork' above in #5 & #6 reminded me of this article, where we read:
They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.
...referring to cointelpro, or anyone attempting to sidetrack a discussion.
{"commentId":1639301,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"cyregray"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1639327,"authorDomain":"jfrank"}
To Jazzy: You are like a little kid covering his ears and saying, "la, la, la, la, la" rather than listen to something sensible such as the comment Sgt. David A. Tartaglia just posted. I am sure you can check out his story if you really care to look into it. In my opinion also, there is more reason for Obama to drop out of the race than for Senator Hillary Clinton.
Thank God, I think there are enough sensible adults in America who will refuse to vote for Obama because he is an overly ambitious slick politician who lacks the experience and judgment to be president. There are too many unknown concerns about Obama which could deeply hurt America. He has not been on the national stage long enough to completely investigate him as he should be investigated.
The DNC is going to be in big trouble if they don't count or re-do the votes in Florida and Michigan. Hillary Clinton could already be ahead of Obama if those votes were counted, and I believe they will be counted before the race is over. I am quite sick of the suggestions that Hillary should quit. Hillary Clinton will probably be the next President of the USA!!!
If the democratic party stuck by it's rules, it wouldn't matter. But now there will have to be alotted time for a revote if there is one. But I did hear they will be changing their name to the Clinton Party. Maybe she can cash in on the "I've been shot at by Phantom Snipers" vote.
{"commentId":1639327,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"jfrank"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1640677,"authorDomain":"renaissancelady46"}
I can tell you exactly why SGT doesn't like Obama. He has every right and he is not alone in IL. There are 1.1 million veterans who agree with him. Obama has done nothing to improve treatment at the Chicago VA. In the Marion VA Medical Center, 14 veterans were killed because of malpractice a doctor hired by that VA with a suspended license in the State of Massachusetts and the lack of care. Illinois veterans still receive the lowest disability payments per capita of any of the 50 states. This is not disputed.
Despite many e-mails Obama refuses to support Operation Firing for Effect, www.offe2008.org, which is a national campaign to get full funding for the VA. He refuses to sign the resolution. Many locally elected officials in IL have signed. The resolution was approved on February 5, 2008 without Obama's support. And I happen to agree with Sgt. Obama has missed the most votes on the Senate Armed Forces Committee of any senator.
I am oneof those women pushing for Hillary Clinton. My support of her began last year when Obama decided to start the name calling. He called her Senator Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab). That is when I threw up his koolaid!
{"commentId":1640677,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"renaissancelady46"}
{"commentId":1640711,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
And I happen to agree with Sgt. Obama has missed the most votes on the Senate Armed Forces Committee of any senator.
Actually, he's missed all the votes. You know why? He's not a member of the Armed Services Committee. (There is no Armed Forces Committee.) You know which Democrat has missed the most votes on the committee? Hillary Clinton. You know which Republican has missed the most votes? John McCain.
My support of her began last year when Obama decided to start the name calling. He called her Senator Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab).
That was a direct response to a joke Clinton herself made. It didn't come out of left field:
At the fundraiser hosted by Dr Rajwant Singh at his Potomac, Maryland, home, and which raised nearly $50,000 for her re-election campaign, Clinton began by joking that, ''I can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily,' after being introduced by Singh as the Senator not only from New York but also Punjab.
{"commentId":1640711,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"spiffie"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":1641159,"authorDomain":"mentalshift"}
spiffie-
please stop throwing facts in the way of attempts at rational decision making.
{"commentId":1641159,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"mentalshift"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":1638171,"authorDomain":"damiankd"}
Photo number 1 looks like she's being belligerent and getting escorted off the plane.
{"commentId":1638171,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"damiankd"}
- 1 vote
#7 - Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:35 PM EDT{"commentId":1638205,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
lol yeah I like to figure out the ap photo stories for the illiterate as well.
Picture one IS HER GETTING PUSHED off the plane, BY A MAN.
Picture two is her contriving up some support from the women folk.
Picture 3 is of her in triumph, which women getting her back and she pointing off into the distance at her former attacker.
Believe it or not they really do always try to tell a story.
{"commentId":1638205,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1638585,"authorDomain":"hemphill"}
I amazed at how much picture 2 looks like jack nicholson.
{"commentId":1638585,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"hemphill"}
{"commentId":1638206,"authorDomain":"nitewingsg1"}
I really don't care anymore, the Democratic Party has self destructed again.
"If you are a voter from Florida or Michigan, you know that we should count your vote.
Politics, voting and
for the people, by the people
, mean squat.
{"commentId":1638206,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"nitewingsg1"}
- 1 vote
#8 - Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:49 PM EDT{"commentId":1638293,"authorDomain":"drmills"}
The Clintons have always been willing to devide and polarize to get what they want. Had Hillary run on her own and left Bill at home or sent him to a place where he could molest interns less than half his age she might have already won. She could have run as the agent of change, Instead she ran on her husbands record and touted her experience as his wife. She has set back the cause of women for decades.
{"commentId":1638293,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"drmills"}
- 3 votes
#9 - Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:27 PM EDT{"commentId":1638442,"authorDomain":"njb"}
Thank you! Yes! You said it. I agree.
I am really sick of 'the boys are just picking on me' attitude. Um...the boy's don't like you because you are not nice.
The issue with Clinton is not a glass ceiling issue...not at all. Oh wait..let me dodge this bullet before I finish my post....
I do not vote with my Uterus.
{"commentId":1638442,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"njb"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1638909,"authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
If Obama were to win the nomination, he would get 47 percent of the vote compared to 46 percent for McCain -- a statistical tie given the poll's 3 percentage point margin of error. Should Clinton win the nomination, the poll suggests she would get 49 percent compared to McCain's 47 percent -- another statistical tie.
The difference here being that if Clinton is not the Democrat....a lot of her faithful will opt for McCain. Making him the winner. On the other hand....Obama's people will do 1 of 4 things if she is nominated:
1 default and vote Democratic
2 stay home and not vote.
3.vote for Nader....or write in Mini Mouse
4.Shoot themselves...and fall on the McCain lever. [Do not attempt this at home]
.....
{"commentId":1638909,"threadId":"242577","contentId":"1399983","authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1639166,"authorDomain":"steelerdog"}
The difference here being that if Clinton is not the Democrat....a lot of her faithful will opt for McCain. Making him the winner. On the other hand....Obama's people will do 1 of 4 things if she is nominated
This is faulty logic because it doesn't take into consideration Republicans like myself who would never vote for Hillary because she's a slimy piece of..., but who are considering voting for Obama.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1639647,"authorDomain":"Griff69"}
Thank you for saying that for me, Fred. Many of those I know who are supporting Obama are NOT Democrats. On the other hand, I have yet to find a Clinton supporter anywhere, in any party, other than on the Vine (Hmmmm... Perhaps that's the answer. It's a Vine-spiracy!).
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1641172,"authorDomain":"mentalshift"}
Lighthorse -
I agree. As a former Clinton supporter, I think she could have beaten Obama soundly if she had only run things better. Let's face it - she screwed up, and she keeps screwing up.
Not someone I want to have as president. The continued presence of Mark Penn is evidence enough for me...
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1643151,"authorDomain":"cyregray"}
In this article they discuss Penn and compare him to a democratic Karl Rove. It's so obvious she represents the elite it cracks me up that people would actually vote for her. Shows how well their mind-control apparatus aka Mainstream Media works.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1638581,"authorDomain":"hemphill"}
If the democrat's wanted to remain relevant they should have had their candidate picked out long before now. Springing a candidate out at the last possible moment does not work.
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#10 - Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:32 PM EDT{"commentId":1638629,"authorDomain":"bongocongo"}
Hillary should absolutely step aside and it has nothing to do with sexism, nor would it convey that she is "not tough enough" for the job. Its' a matter of handing what should have been a cakewalk into the Whitehouse for the Dems, to letting McCain walk right in and give us four more years of the same. She is destroying the party and her assertion that McCain is a better candidate than Obama was shameful. The Clintons had their time in the Whitehouse and the country needs some new ideas and attitudes in the Oval office at this point in time.
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- 2 votes
#11 - Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:55 PM EDT{"commentId":1638861,"authorDomain":"lordmegamuffin"}
I have three daughters that have been discriminated against since they were born. I have no idea why people can't look past the issue of sex in making their decisions but so be it. I have seen sexism first hand and it does exist(more than we will admit , as a society ). Being a Black male I have seen racism first hand and it does exist (again more than we will admit , as a society ). Here we have a candidate that has little political experience, experimented with cocaine, and has a seemingly squeaky clean past (that is anything but that) and we are all (collectively)drinking the kool-aid.... the last two elections involved an inexperienced governor, with a squeaky clean past( that was anything but that), who experimented with cocaine..look where that got us. Hillary her husband, while not a saint, didn't send us to war, did provide economic prosperity, although this has less to do with a president but Congress, who regulates commerce in this county, who had the ability and political clout to bring both sides together. Think what you want about him but a a side note, my wife and myself have two different professions but we have been able to talk to each other, learn from each other, give each other advice on our respective professions because we live in the same house and sleep together. Are we so naive' to think that the Clintons are any different(aren't they both lawyers)? Idealism will not beat McCaine, only experience and political clout. Obama has neither. The Republicans will eat him alive in a general election and his idealism about change will die at the polls. I have seen the debate between her and Obama, she mopped the floor with him but the press dogged her. She has time tables for goals he had more idealism. The Rezco matter is much more complexed than the medias reporting of the house purchase. The matter that Obama's wife received a $200,000 per year raise after he was sworn in as a senator, not discussed. The fact that the University of Chicago Hospital was one of the largest benefactors of his earmarks, not discussed. His ties to Al Sharpton(the ultimate race baiter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JI9XVOW3u4 ), who now denounces him in the media, not discussed. He does give a HELL of a speech though. He is inspiring and eloquent. I like those suits and hair cuts too. The $1.6 million home, envious of that. Google all of the afore mentioned statements and you will see that there is less boyscout there than he admits. I am not looking for anyone to agree with me just saying my piece and moving on, with my life. We can agree to disagree. - lmm
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- 1 vote
#12 - Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:46 AM EDT{"commentId":1639307,"authorDomain":"cyregray"}
Dude, the paragraph - it helps.
Hillary her husband, while not a saint, didn't send us to war
Right - Hillary sent us to War, and all her military industrial complex supporting 'bi-partisan' democrats.
A vote for hillary might as well be a vote for bush. She's no different, just coming from the 'democrat' brand label.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1640024,"authorDomain":"marygj"}
#13 lord
Idealism will not beat McCaine, only experience and political clout.
Exactly what is wrong with DC now and exactly why we do not need Hillary and Bill Clinton in the WH again.
I see the Clintons have sold you on that experience nonsense. You and your wife may discuss and learn from each other but just try putting that on your resume to get a job in her field. Exactly the point...
The Republicans are a nasty bunch but it should not scare anyone from taking them on. It is time for a change and it is change the Clintons cannot effect.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1640285,"authorDomain":"jfrank"}
How will idealism not beat McCain? I mean it's beating "experience" and political clout.
This idea that Obama can't beat McCain is silly. He's beating Hillary, he has a wider range of supporters it seems.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1639319,"authorDomain":"cyregray"}
Seriously, all this Obama v Clinton crap is smoke and mirrors - is anyone naive enough to think we're going to have a truly democratic election come november?
The only purpose of this clinton v obama nonsense is to keep the masses and the intelligensia distracted. If we're distracted we might not see the man behind the curtain, because each day that passes makes it more obvious he's there, pulling levers and pushing buttons; adjusting the controls on the system....
In the frustrated words of Rage Against the Machine @ the End of one of my favorite movies:
WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAAAAAAAAAAAKE UP!
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- 2 votes
#13 - Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:08 AM EDT{"commentId":1639784,"authorDomain":"lordmegamuffin"}
I stand corrected. I was speaking more on the fact that her husband, didn't send us to war, etc. That sentence could have been better written.
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- 1 vote
#14 - Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:29 AM EDT{"commentId":1639810,"authorDomain":"Griff69"}
What sentence? What are you replying to?
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{"commentId":1640658,"authorDomain":"mentalshift"}
She wouldn't be where she is if she wasn't a woman......
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- 3 votes
#15 - Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:24 PM EDT{"commentId":1640883,"authorDomain":"a-p-jarrett"}
Let's play, "Name That Pigeon-Hole!"
Our first contestant is an African-American female voter with a traditional family. She opposes big government, but believes in the inalienable obligation of this nation to care for the less fortunate. Despite her critics, you may catch her hanging out with her gay-lesbian friends, at a right to choose rally, baking cookies for the soccer team, or attending worship services at a mega-church in a Red State.
The correct answer is "None." This conjecture is silly.
Besides, if we are as gullible as the press would have us thnk, Clinton vs. Obama vs. McCain is the least of our worries.
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- 2 votes
#16 - Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:22 PM EDT{"commentId":1641132,"authorDomain":"tbellinni"}
I personally believe that Hilary should stay in the run. Although she's had her difficulties throughout the progression of the campaigns and elections, she's truly proved shes a strong individual. To be quit honest, this article sounds quit hypocritical. You are discussing that delegates and others trying to run her off the elections are taking in a sexist perspective, but aren't you writing this on a sexist perspective as well? Ultimately, Men nor Women are better than one another. Each person should be accounted for, not by what sex they are, but what they have to entitle society once put on the spot. But on the other hand, I completely agree with you and the argument you are trying to convey. I believe that with Hilary staying strong, it enables the role of women in society to be altered and finally make others realize that we have more to offer to this nation than what is believed. For generations, women have been ordained to cultural customs, of being the typical stay at home mom and not being independent, but lately women have taken a stand. I can honestly say that Hilary needs to stay strong and she'll definitely be on her way. Us women will be supporting her through and through, for she is everything we wish we could be. She has stepped into a role in which women around the world never thought would come. If she stayed and became the next president of the United States, it would start a chain of reaction, opening up new opportunities for women everywhere.
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#17 - Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:22 PM EDT{"commentId":1641161,"authorDomain":"Griff69"}
Of the many reasons Hillary is not fit to be president, her sex is not among them.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1641471,"authorDomain":"zennhead"}
"Women have always been asked to step aside if it was somehow for the greater good. In this case, Clinton, and a lot of her female supporters, clearly feel that she would make the better president and that it would not be for the greater good for her to step aside," Wilson said.
This is true. Senators Leahy and Dodd, for what it is worth, look like jackasses. They represent the male chauvinist pig attitude ... older white guys telling a sister or daughter (in age), to sit down, suck it up, make way for the African-American Ultra Liberal MAN. I hope that women understand, they are a very powerful voting bloc here, and that they can easily make it known to the DNC that they want those votes in Florida and Michigan. It's clear that the male dominated Ultra Liberal wing of the Democrat Party is pushing hard to force Clinton out.
Kennedy; Kerry; Feingold; Leahy; Dodd; Dean; Richardson; Axlerod; Chris Matthews; Keith Olberman;
Dan Abrams and others on the MSNBC hit squad. There are plenty, and they are very very ugly guys. Not lately did Howard Dean win his own race, but he's thoroughly mucked up the way Democrats elect a presidential nominee. Google "Florida Primary," and you'll find, in the details, that the Republican dominated legislature drove the change in dates for Florida's primary. There may have been Dems who voted for it, but the Dems didn't have the numbers. It is interesting that Dean and the DNC played right into the hands of the GOP, who only charged their waywards delegates with a 50% loss of certification. Dean, and the DNC, wiped out a total of around 2.7 million voters decisions in Florida and Michigan. If they allow 2.7 million votes to be cast aside, they'll pay for it.
I support Clinton because she's far more capable than Obama.
Obama has confirmed that, as McGovern said, "it's easier for an African-American to get elected President than a woman." But why is that? We've had 43 males, and it ought to be clear that it's turn for a woman. We need to take a jump and believe that this woman, as competent as she is, will make history in the office. She will overcome the biterness many feel for her -- but only in a general way -- they can't specifically site a single example that impacts them. Just, hatred.
Hatred for her. Trust me: if men and women said the hateful things they have said about her, about Obama, they'd be called racists. Luckily for these women haters, they have Hillary. Men and women who hate women, can vilify her (again, little specifics), and have cover. It's ONLY about Hillary. I really don't have a problem with women in politics.
Right.
Look at how many posts here cite her ambition, or, that she's a b..ch, or, PMSing, or Menopausing,
or a "cut throat" (again, what specifics do people cite) or that she's in the pockets of big corporations.
I don't know about that, but I do know that millions of people have sent her small donations ... we have ... and we sure don't associate with corporate donors.
I urge men who feel they want to see history changed, vote for Hillary, if they have a chance soon.
And urge the DNC to seat those Florida and Michigan delegates.
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- 1 vote
#18 - Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:09 PM EDT{"commentId":1641567,"authorDomain":"objectivity"}
{"commentId":1641921,"authorDomain":"tbellinni"}
I totally agree with you "KEEPING IT REAL". The winner of this years election should not be based on race or gender but what they have to offer to our nation. The choice is solely up to us. No person is perfect and we should also take that into account. Think before you speak and look back at each and every candidate who is running to be our president. Its up to us to pick the right person who fits the profile of the most eligible candidate.
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{"commentId":1642432,"authorDomain":"cpaul44"}
Those who call for Hillary to withdraw are not doing so because she is a woman. It is because, (1) she cannot pass Obama in P. Delegates and therefore can only get the nomination from the votes of S. Delegates.(2)The majority of calls for her withdrawal are from S. Delegates, with the majority seemingly supporting Obama.(3) Her campaign strategy and tactics are hurting the Party and seem to be designed to destroy Obama, who is most likely to be the nominee.(4)The long and seemingly futile campaign of the Clintons are denying the Democrats valuable time in preparing for the General.(5)The Republicans, for self gain, are feeding this long battle among the Democrats and also using the valuable time to gain advantages for the General. This talk about gender being the reason for the calls for Hillary to withdraw is just a Clinton strategy based on exploiting differences to win. The Clintons used race baiting on many occasions.They used the gender difference before and are doing so again. It is pure desperation and dirty politics by the Clintons. But as the end draws near the Clintons will become extremely dirty and vicious. Remember there are many women supporting Obama. Their support just like men is based on the quality of the candidates.
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- 2 votes
#19 - Tue Apr 1, 2008 12:25 AM EDT{"commentId":1643476,"authorDomain":"objectivity"}
{"commentId":1642453,"authorDomain":"traveltommy"}
What is wrong with women supporting Hillary? Almost all blacks support Obama and that isn't questioned. What is with all the hate Obama whorshipers? Look at his website he has a section for all races except caucasion! Almost all of his charity is for black causes. Read his book it just rambles on and on with nonsense about how abhorent his Ivy League life is. His wife went to the same party. Lets get drunk and high and hate whitey. Can someone tell me anything this man has done that is his own idea. All of his speeches use other people's words. Not one of the Obama worshipers say anthing about what it is that Hillary did. Only hate comes from within.
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#20 - Tue Apr 1, 2008 12:41 AM EDT{"commentId":1642689,"authorDomain":"mentalshift"}
Not one of the Obama worshipers say anthing about what it is that Hillary did.
Someone might have something to say if you used reason and facts and stated an actual position....
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{"commentId":1642936,"authorDomain":"jfrank"}
What is wrong with women supporting Hillary? Almost all blacks support Obama and that isn't questioned. What is with all the hate Obama whorshipers? Look at his website he has a section for all races except caucasion! Almost all of his charity is for black causes. Read his book it just rambles on and on with nonsense about how abhorent his Ivy League life is. His wife went to the same party. Lets get drunk and high and hate whitey. Can someone tell me anything this man has done that is his own idea. All of his speeches use other people's words. Not one of the Obama worshipers say anthing about what it is that Hillary did. Only hate comes from within.
I don't think anyone worships Obama.
Most of dislike Hillary because of lies ( sniper fire ), being what she says she isn't ( steals John Edwards words ).
Most people don't know what Obama has done because they don't understand google. It's great.
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{"commentId":1643386,"authorDomain":"marygj"}
Almost all blacks support Obama and that isn't questioned
And where have you been hiding? After every single caucus/primary except where the majority of voters were white, the media has dissected the black vote. Why was it when blacks voted overwhelmingly for Clinton and any other Democratic candidate there were no questions and no dissection?
Let them dissect it and when we become Independents and not slaves (no pun intended) to the Democratic Party let them dissect that.
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{"commentId":1643438,"authorDomain":"damiankd"}
What is wrong with women supporting Hillary? Almost all blacks support Obama and that isn't questioned. What is with all the hate Obama whorshipers? Look at his website he has a section for all races except caucasion! Almost all of his charity is for black causes. Read his book it just rambles on and on with nonsense about how abhorent his Ivy League life is. His wife went to the same party. Lets get drunk and high and hate whitey. Can someone tell me anything this man has done that is his own idea. All of his speeches use other people's words. Not one of the Obama worshipers say anthing about what it is that Hillary did. Only hate comes from within.
Mr. Madison rsptmyathority, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1643714,"authorDomain":"jasonford"}
I award you no points
You should have deducted points.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1642463,"authorDomain":"traveltommy"}
Hillary can get enough to win the nomination are you crazy there are over 550 delegates left. Last I checked she was only 120 or so behind. What happened for all the calls for the superdelegates to vote the way the people do. If that is the case Clinton wins. DO THE MATH Barak Obama hates White People!!!!!
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#21 - Tue Apr 1, 2008 12:49 AM EDT{"commentId":1642941,"authorDomain":"jfrank"}
What happened for all the calls for the superdelegates to vote the way the people do. If that is the case Clinton wins. DO THE MATH Barak Obama hates White People!!!!!
Math: Obama has more popular votes. SUperdelegates give their votes to the leader in this, that means Obama gets more delegates. There is your math.
Obama must hate half of himself, his mom and her parents then.
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{"commentId":1642611,"authorDomain":"chelu"}
I don't have a problem voting for a woman, but I do have a problem with Hillary. Ever since I've known her she has been untruthful, deceitful, and it has always been all about Hillary. If I wanted my daughters to look up to a woman it definitely would not be Hillary Clinton.
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- 1 vote
#22 - Tue Apr 1, 2008 2:16 AM EDT{"commentId":1642943,"authorDomain":"jfrank"}
I agree completely.
Then American media hasn't been good at picking out role models for women.
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- 2 votes
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