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Sat May 3, 2008 10:19 AM EDT
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WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's problem winning votes from working-class whites is showing no sign of going away, and their impression of him is getting worse.
Those are ominous signals as he hopes for strong performances in the coming week in Indiana and North Carolina primaries that would derail the candidacy of Hillary Rodham Clinton, his rival for the Democratic presidential nomination. Those contests come as his candidacy has been rocked by renewed attention to his volatile former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and by his defeat in last month's Pennsylvania primary.
In an Associated Press-Yahoo News poll in April, 53 percent of whites who have not completed college viewed Obama unfavorably, up a dozen percentage points from November. During that period, the numbers viewing Clinton and Republican candidate John McCain negatively have stayed about even.
The April poll — conducted before the Pennsylvania contest — also showed an overwhelming preference for Clinton over Obama among working-class whites. They favored her over him by 39 percentage points, compared to a 10-point Obama lead among white college graduates. Obama also did worse than Clinton among those less-educated voters when matched up against Republican candidate John McCain.
"It's the stuff about his preacher ... and the thing he said about Pennsylvania towns, how they turn to religion," Keith Wolfe, 41, a supermarket food stocker from Parkville, Md., said in a follow-up interview. "I don't think he'd be a really good leader."
Just before the Pennsylvania primary, Obama said many small-town residents are bitter about their lives and turn for solace to religion and guns.
Recent voting patterns underscore Obama's continued poor performance with these voters, who are often pivotal in general election swing states like Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania.
In Democratic primaries held on or before Super Tuesday, Feb. 5, whites who have not finished college favored the New York senator by a cumulative 59 percent to 32 percent, according to exit polls of voters conducted for The Associated Press and the television networks.
In primaries since Feb. 5, that group has favored Clinton by 64 percent to 34 percent. That includes Ohio and Pennsylvania, in which working-class whites have favored Clinton by 44 and 41 percentage points respectively.
The AP-Yahoo poll shows less educated whites present a problem to Obama in part because of who they are. Besides being poorer, they tend to be older than white college graduates — and Clinton has done strongly with older white voters.
Yet political professionals and analysts say more is at play. They blame Obama's problems with blue-collar whites on their greater reluctance to embrace his bid to become the first black president, and his failure to address their concerns about job losses and the battered economy specifically enough.
Terry Madonna, a political science professor at Franklin & Marshall College in Lancaster, Pa., said Obama lost among working-class whites in the state because his message of how this generation's time has come did not address their economic needs.
"While it's incredibly motivating and passionate and compelling, it lacks content," Madonna said. "Hillary would come in and relate to them, talk about the specifics of her policy."
Pennsylvania also illustrated the problems racial attitudes among less educated whites are causing Obama.
In exit polls, one in five of the state's white voters who haven't completed college said race was an important factor in choosing a candidate, about double the number of white college graduates who said so. Eight in 10 of them voted for Clinton over Obama, and only about half said they would vote for Obama over McCain in November.
"The scab is pealed back off," Democratic pollster John Anzalone, not working for either presidential candidate, said of the latest attention focused on Wright and Obama's denunciations of him. In video clips of past sermons, Wright has damned the United States for its history of racism and accused the government of spreading the HIV virus to harm blacks.
Obama pollster Cornell Belcher said that while working-class whites have favored Clinton, the fact that huge numbers of them and other voters have participated in Democratic contests boded well for the November election.
"I don't think there's going to be erosion in the fall of a core group of Democratic voters," Belcher said.
While less educated whites tend to vote less frequently than better educated voters, they are important because of their sheer number.
Exit polls show they have comprised three in 10 voters in Democratic contests so far, a group that cannot be ignored in a contest that has seen Obama maintain a slim lead. They made up 43 percent of all voters in the 2004 presidential contest, when they heavily favored President Bush over Democrat John Kerry.
Underlining his need to connect with these voters, Obama has geared some television ads in Indiana toward economic issues. In recent days he has turned to small events, rather than his trademark huge rallies, concentrating on the economy, including lunching with a blue-collar Indiana family while discussing their problems.
He has let cameras record him playing basketball in hopes of connecting with the passionate fans of the sport who populate Indiana and North Carolina.
The findings from the AP-Yahoo News poll are from interviews with 863 Democrats on a panel of adults questioned in November and April. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.3 percentage points.
The poll was conducted over the Internet by Knowledge Networks, which initially contacted people using traditional telephone polling methods and followed with online interviews. People chosen for the study who had no Internet access were given it free.
The exit poll is based on in-person interviews with more than 36,000 voters in 28 states that have held primaries this year in which both candidates actively competed. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 1 percentage point, larger for some subgroups.
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AP Director of Surveys Trevor Tompson, AP News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius and reporter Beth Fouhy contributed to this report.
(This version CORRECTS SUBS graf 2 to correct time frame.)
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{"commentId":1761493,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
Of course, the role of the corporate media in mainupating phony issues, false issues, opportunistic issues is ignored, itself a reflection of how the mindless, know nothing silent majority, yahoo majority is used, that went into war against Iraq based on the lies and deception of the propagandistic corporate media, who convinced 70 percent of the yahoo redneck soldiers that Iraq attacked us on 9/11. The media manipulates and deceives, and then looks at its results, as the views of an independent public. NOT!!!
The very fact that McCain, Hillary and the corporate media itself are imperial yahoo cheerleaders, and have the know nothing redneck yahoos following their racist and class manipulations, to hide behind real issues is of course not discussed here. Race and gender are always class tools, ideological tools used by all class institutions, including the propagandistic corporate media, to focus on phony issues of divide and rule. It was that way in Nazi Germany, where the lower working classes, imbued with nationalist class party ideologies, became the backbone, shock troops for corporate and imperial crimes.
Obama should be critized for his appeasement to this class nationalist rot, his failure to condemn illegal aggressions, his failure to call for impeachment of war criminals, but the Orwellian corporate, class thugs of Western journalism, will not support that agenda nor critique, as they are part of the criminal agenda of the class Empire of Amerika. Instead the play into the racist, nationalist yahoos of Amerikan lower and middle working classes, who have no clue that they are being manipulated, as the phony debates and issues by the corrupt class moderators, of all corporate media outlets.
If the redneck yahoo, racist, imperial contingent wants to repeat their fiasco, their failures, of supporting another illegal aggression in Iran, and preferss the imperial thugs, McCain and Hillary, then let the disaster roll in on them once again, higher gas prices, that destroy their businesses, endless stop and gap military drafts of stupid rednecks dying because of their stupidity.....and let us all watch the Amerikan class empire finally end up in the toilet of fascist, racist values, cheered on by the corporate Media.
{"commentId":1761493,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
- 12 votes
#1 - Sat May 3, 2008 11:02 AM EDT{"commentId":1761569,"authorDomain":"alkimija"}
Sir, if I may say so, your passion and insight is inspiring.
{"commentId":1761569,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"alkimija"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":1761619,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
Thankyou...
{"commentId":1761619,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":1761710,"authorDomain":"miasma"}
Does anyone else see that pic and think, "Barack Obama Has a Posse" ??
And thanks for saying what I was thinking Eric. I'm too pooped from mowing the lawn to come up with such a well put statement.
{"commentId":1761710,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"miasma"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":1761762,"authorDomain":"digitaldog"}
Bravo!
I haven't hears a statement like the since the 60's.
{"commentId":1761762,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"digitaldog"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":1762428,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}
Eric that's exactly what I was thinking. It's a bit rich for the MSM to spend half its time running a smear campaign and the other half telling us his support is falling.
{"commentId":1762428,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"djehuty"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":1762593,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
Dehuty: What galls me is that misinformation, and an uninformed public is called: " Perception is everything" when in fact it is out and out Decption and lies that is everything, but a failure that belongs to the coprorate media and the right wing Newsviners who refuse to look at Corporate imperial regimes like Fascist Germany. Like Goebbels who said, Propaganda works the same everywhere, the Big lies work, even the small lies, and cummulatively they devolve society into a dangerous middle and working class political deathtrap for civil society through class Empires.
{"commentId":1762593,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":1762654,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}
The strategy is borrowed from Goebbels. You repeat a thing so many times people come to believe it. But at the moment it's just insane - the MSM grabs one thing out of context from a speech, and they pillory him with it repeatedly. Like the "guns and bitter". Meanwhile McCain says the most ridiculous things and still has "foreign policy credentials".
The very fact that the corporates are so scared of him makes me think he's the best choice... but just by the way how do you pretend there's a democracy in a country where the press is entirely biased? And why wouldn't the press be biased when it's owned by 6 large corporations? Why do so few people care about this? Because they believe what's on the news each night. Even the fact that the right wingers on Newsvine repeat the "Liberal Media" mantra without laughing so much they can't type is a bit of a puzzle...
Look at headinthegame below - mate did you get that soundbite straight off fox? Can you imagine why Obama, who actually knows something about being poor, as arcanebliss says, is more elitist than Clinton, who has the biggest raft of corporate sponsors? I'm not fussed about one Newsviner having a different opinion, he's entirely entitled to it, but it's the unquestioning acceptance of the media spin which is demoralising.
{"commentId":1762654,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"djehuty"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":1762702,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
Excellent Dehuty:
My sentiments. Hypocrisy rules everywhere I turn. The class rot is all around us. The ideological propaganda, corporate and imperial values are filtering out the anti war voices that were right from day one, having gotten rid of first Kucinich, Gravels, then Edwards, now Obama.....and watch if it is between an imperial woman and an imperial man, they still will poison the well for McCAin, Mr. BOMB, BOMB, BOMB, BOMBA IRAN.
{"commentId":1762702,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1762927,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}
Part of it, to be fair to the "journalists" (let's call them that) is that they can only construct stories in a certain way. If they can say there is a conflict, or a tight contest, or the chance of an upset, then they have a story. If it's "all over bar the shouting" then they're saying "don't bother reading this paper."
So by selling papers they have created a reality which was not there 2 months ago but is now coming into existence.
Oh, and the fix may be in at the convention. I'm worried by Dean's little feeds which seem to be saying that.
{"commentId":1762927,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"djehuty"}
- 4 votes
Comment collapsed by the community{"commentId":1761564,"authorDomain":"headinthegame"}
this is no surprise. Obama is an elitist who doesn't give a crap about poor people
{"commentId":1761564,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"headinthegame"}
- 9 votes
#3 - Sat May 3, 2008 11:43 AM EDT{"commentId":1761589,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
What? haha Obama was a community activist in poor Chicago neighborhoods for years - earning only a couple thousand a year and owned a beat up vehicle. He went door to door helping those in poverty and horrible living conditions. Obama's main base appeal to the government is that he will have more power to effect community efforts and unite Americans. That doesn't sound elitist to me at all, haha. Oh, the bitter comment? Yeah, I'm bitter too. I'm bitter that I'm paying $45 for a tank of gas. I'm bitter that the American dollar is dropping. I'm bitter that the housing market is in the slumps so my home is dropping in value. I'm bitter about my destructive president and his cabinet. Oh, I'm very bitter and Obama knows it.
{"commentId":1761589,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
- 16 votes
{"commentId":1761632,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
Headin the game:
Obama is an elitist...but no more than the whole class system of elites, that ignore the public will. To single him out and to put him above the whole criminal class system of its class parties of millionaires, allows people to justly question whether that singular selection process was racist. Obama can be criticized for a lot of things, but this one is the least one of them, when it comes to breaking up the delusions of rednecks, and its middle class propagandists.
{"commentId":1761632,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":1761655,"authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
this is no surprise. Obama is an elitist who doesn't give a crap about poor people
headinthegame, you are kidding us right? It's not polite to show your ignorance at a time when you can read his books and listen to some of the true media stories about him that will elevate your understanding about such an issue so simple as this one! Your head is in the game, right? Please let it show.
What? haha Obama was a community activist in poor Chicago neighborhoods for years - earning only a couple thousand a year and owned a beat up vehicle. He went door to door helping those in poverty and horrible living conditions. Obama's main base appeal to the government is that he will have more power to effect community efforts and unite Americans. That doesn't sound elitist to me at all, haha.
Please say it louder, arcanebliss! Some people didn't hear you, (headinthegame.)
{"commentId":1761655,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":1761804,"authorDomain":"headinthegame"}
dude, Obama is an elitist, especially when it comes to rural working class white people. that's why Hillary has smoked him in like 26 of 29 post election polls in this group. that's why he's against the gas tax. that's why he thinks guns and bibles are silly. Man, our country was built on guns and bibles!
{"commentId":1761804,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"headinthegame"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":1761810,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
If Obama is an elitist, Hillary Clinton is definitely an elitist... lol
{"commentId":1761810,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
- 9 votes
{"commentId":1761911,"authorDomain":"headinthegame"}
at least she's for a summer holiday on the gas tax; look, Hillary understand poor rural people; Obama is an urban elitist who does not
{"commentId":1761911,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"headinthegame"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1761952,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}
headinthegame, I have a question.
What, exactly, is an elitist? What does an elitist believe? What is it that they're elite about? Who do they include, and who do they exclude?
Please tell me, headinthegame, because I really want to know.
{"commentId":1761952,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"paperdragon"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":1761953,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
The gas holiday is disapproved by most economists, why? Because it will significantly increase demand and cause prices to surge quicker. The only advantage of the holiday is political pandering - nothing positive for the country's economy. And, you seem to be an example of someone that has been affected by such political pandering.
{"commentId":1761953,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
- 11 votes
{"commentId":1762052,"authorDomain":"adamkemp"}
Your "gas tax holiday" will save you very little money. It's a scam that Clinton is hoping Americans are too stupid to figure out.
{"commentId":1762052,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"adamkemp"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":1762340,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
Obama is an elitist
I guess that's why Hillary Clinton had to send out a representative from Shell Oil to tell voters in Indiana why her gas tax cut was a good idea.
Obama's a politician, but he made his bones helping everyday working people to get jobs back and to get a better life. He is not bought and sold by lobbyists. I think that he's what we need to reform Washington - if the people want it. As it is, they seem to be more interested in the same old bull.
{"commentId":1762340,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1762346,"authorDomain":"gmarez"}
at least she's for a summer holiday on the gas tax; look, Hillary understand poor rural people; Obama is an urban elitist who does not
If you understood economics, you would know that the Gas Tax Holiday does not benefit anyone but the politicians sporting it. It was a bad Republican's idea and worse for Hillary to try to use it in her arsenal.
The poor rural people will not benefit from it any more than they would by a 10% discount for opening a credit card with a 29% interest rate. It's a scam.
Gas goes up in the summer because supply rises as people go on more trips. The less product to meet demand always equals a higher price. Making it cheaper during this peak would only increase demand, actually raising the price more.
Not only that, but our infrastructure would strain even more. It would mean BILLIONS less in infrastructure budget. Remember the bridge collapse last year? We cannot trim off that budget at all. Thats exactly what a gas tax would do.
It would be scotch tape on a gaping wound when we need sutures. I for one am glad Obama is wise enough not to pander like that. The only thing he needs to do is make his stand more strongly so the "poor rural" folks can also see it for what it is.
{"commentId":1762346,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"gmarez"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":1762358,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
I guess that's why Hillary Clinton had to send out a representative from Shell Oil to tell voters in Indiana why her gas tax cut was a good idea.
Whoa, show me the source?
{"commentId":1762358,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1762502,"authorDomain":"gmarez"}
Here you go arcanebliss: http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/05/03/obama-on-hillarys-gas-tax-holiday-its-a-shell-game-literally
Obama was referring to Steve Elmendorf, who, according to the Obama campaign is a Clinton supporter and a lobbyist for Shell Oil whose firms have earned $420,000 from the oil company from 2006-2008. The Obama camp also pointed out that Elmendorf has been promoting Clinton's gas tax holiday on cable television - a conflict of interest, the Obama camp has implied.
{"commentId":1762502,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"gmarez"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1763049,"authorDomain":"gmarez"}
because supply rises as people go on more trips.
Oops, make that because demand rises as people go on more trips.
{"commentId":1763049,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"gmarez"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1764199,"authorDomain":"clewill2003"}
Who owns 8 homes on a senate salary, military pension, and invesments? Now that's elite!
{"commentId":1764199,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"clewill2003"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1764239,"authorDomain":"headinthegame"}
judging the crazy irrational response i get from obamamites every time i say he's elitist, i can only conclude the charge must have some truth to it--otherwise, they'd shrug and ignore it
{"commentId":1764239,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"headinthegame"}
{"commentId":1764270,"authorDomain":"adamkemp"}
What was "crazy and irrational"? The part where Obama isn't as rich as McCain or Clinton? The part where he actually helped people most of his life instead of making lots of money? Seriously, explain it to me. How is Obama "elitist"?
{"commentId":1764270,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"adamkemp"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1764329,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}
What was "crazy and irrational"?
No, the part where I asked him what it means, and how it applies to Obama, which he still hasn't answered.
{"commentId":1764329,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"paperdragon"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1764544,"authorDomain":"Zoilus"}
headinthegame, ignore is derivative of word ignorant, this Elitist agitprop is so pervasive, it's hard to keep up with. and when it is corrected it is ignored by the media and the far-right because it dose not fit in with there agenda of discrediting Obama. Let see if you realy wan to know the truth or just like to spread the same propaganda dictated in the party line? this is nothing but a apriorism here
judging the crazy irrational response i get from obamamites every time i say he's elitist, i can only conclude the charge must have some truth to it--otherwise, they'd shrug and ignore it
relating to or denoting reasoning or knowledge that proceeds from theoretical deduction rather than from observation or experience : a priori assumptions about human nature.
Well sorry if anyone wants to correct you in the hope that you don't go through life ignorant and misinformed.
Do you realize that this country is ruled by Sudo-elitist now and this is what Obama is fighting against, trying to give back control to the rightful sovereigns of power to this country, "The Common man" We, The People The Democratic party was called "The Party of the Common Man" at its beginning. Jefferson is the founder of the Democratic Party. Obama quotes him often for that very reason.
Being an Elite is not a negative term. It can just mean you are the Best. The Special Forces are an Elite Military Force! Elite are people considered to be the best in a particular society or category, because of their power, wealth or talent. Don't you want the best person to run this country, or just someone you would feel comfortable drinking a beer with?
What we see here in this election is the Elite's of power and wealth, calling a man who, by virtue of his own talent, education, and hard work has gained status and recognition to come were he is now. Using the negative connotation of the word that these sudo elitist who have no talent of their owwn but where born with silver spoons up thier collective butts are themselves are guilty of being, elitist in the negative sense of the word, spoiled sudo-aristocratic, Elitist..
There is a natural aristocracy among men. The grounds of this are virtue and talents... There is also an artificial aristocracy founded on wealth and birth, without either virtue or talents; for with these it would belong to the first class... The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provision should be made to prevent its ascendency." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813.
History repeats, learn from it.
"Lay down true principles and adhere to them inflexibly. Do not be frightened into their surrender by the alarms of the timid, or the croakings of wealth against the ascendency of the people." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816
Listen to what Hilary said in her interview with O'Reilly, "God bless us Rich People!" Then tell me who the arrogant white tower dwelling elitist is?
{"commentId":1764544,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"Zoilus"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1764754,"authorDomain":"gmarez"}
elite |əˈlēt; āˈlēt|
noun
1 a group of people considered to be the best in a particular society or category, esp. because of their power, talent, or wealth : China's educated elite | [as adj. ] an elite combat force.
2 a size of letter in typewriting, with 12 characters to the inch (about 4.7 to the centimeter).
ORIGIN late 18th cent.: from French élite 'selection, choice,' from élire 'to elect,' from a variant of Latin eligere (see elect ). Sense 2 dates from the early 20th cent.
I'd like to know when elite got to be a negative thing anyhow. The definition certainly shows no negative connotations.
{"commentId":1764754,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"gmarez"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1764788,"authorDomain":"headinthegame"}
Obama is an elitist because he panders to old people, has proposed exempting them from income tax, and raising taxes on workers. That's elitist!
{"commentId":1764788,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"headinthegame"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1764792,"authorDomain":"gmarez"}
Read the definition and stop falling into political rhetoric.
{"commentId":1764792,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"gmarez"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1765021,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
headinthegame:
Obama is an elitist because he panders to old people, has proposed exempting them from income tax, and raising taxes on workers. That's elitist!
No, that's tax policy. LMAO!
{"commentId":1765021,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"isaacs"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1765257,"authorDomain":"vincitveritas"}
I'm with John Stewart on this one:
You know, I hear what you're all saying, but doesn't "elite" mean "good"? Is that not something we're looking for in a President anymore?
You know what, candidates? I know "elite" is a bad word in politics. You want to go bowling and throw back a few beers, but the job you're applying for, if you get it and it goes well, they might carve your head into a mountain. If you don't actually think you're better than us, then what the @!$%# are you doing?
{"commentId":1765257,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"vincitveritas"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1761579,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
So this is it? The big idea with Hillary Clinton? "I can win whites with a high school education so I should be the nominee. Oh, and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain." LOL We'll be looking at a realignment in the fall and it will favor Obama.
{"commentId":1761579,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"isaacs"}
- 8 votes
#4 - Sat May 3, 2008 11:49 AM EDT{"commentId":1761684,"authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
Oh, and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain
Scott Isaacs - I am laughing so hard right now.... I LOOOOOOOVVVVVVE IT! HaHaHaHaHaHaaaa! Whew....... (some people just don't get it) The Wizard of Oz, HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa......Scott...that's what some of these people really want, a fake Wizard.
But shhhhh, don't tell 'em what's really behind the curtain when they finally realize the Wizard is a fake and Dorothy had the power to make her wish come true on her own the whole time. No, it'll be too late then and then what will they do when all the tricks are truly gone and we're all sitting on the unemployement line and Hillary is sitting in the Oval Office laughing her a#$* off at them.
They just don't get it. The time for change is now!
{"commentId":1761684,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":1761894,"authorDomain":"ceosvcs"}
Who has the rabbit?
{"commentId":1761894,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"ceosvcs"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1761602,"authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
Exit polls show they have comprised three in 10 voters in Democratic contests so far, a group that cannot be ignored in a contest that has seen Obama maintain a slim lead. They made up 43 percent of all voters in the 2004 presidential contest, when they heavily favored President Bush over Democrat John Kerry.
Is the grim American perception of the war in Iraq and present economic condition right here at home, not a good enough indication to these voters that their decision making in past elections have been faulty and questionable? Why isn't the media going into these towns and talking with these people to show them the consequences of their decisions in the past if they count for so many votes?
Why isn't someone taking note to this phenomenon and focusing heavily on trying to change their perspective as it has shown to have negative consequences not just for them, but for the country as a whole? I mean the only thing the media seems to focus on is the fact that this group of the population "won't vote for an African American" b/c he's black, has a Pastor who speaks the truth (they just don't like how he says it), and b/c in the midst of increased campaign fatigue he misused the word "bitter and cling" when he should've said "frustrated and turn to their faith."
Now help me to understand their logic, - They would sooner cling to Clinton to "solve their problems" b/c she's better at speaking to their problems at a slower personal level than Obama? Obama is an elitist when she never came fromt the same side of tracks they do and really can't relate to them other than what her campaign mandager tells her (and Obama has.) But they want us to believe they relate to something more in her than they do in Obama - and it's not race? C'mon.
Don't they see or calculate into this equation her negative history in politics and in this current race as old and outdated like the rest of us? Oh, I'm sorry, maybe not, we're the outnumbered minority who is only dumb and eduated - they know something the rest of us don't? Right? I forgot, our votes aren't going to count as much as their votes will in November b/c they are inconsistent voters, uneducated, racist and only count for 3 out-of-10 voters in the fall election. That's a wonderful way to scare the majority of educated voters into thinking that Clinton is the better candidate. What about every other poll that consistently states that Hillary is dishonest, untrustworthy, play old politics, panders to these voters just b/c she knows she doesn't have the black vote anymore (when she never pandered to them in the past!)
Someone needs to get on this right away and instruct these people that we've had enough of their double standard politics and they're old and outdated attitudes which if she's becomes the nominee is only going to cause them more problems b/c this dedision to play unfair politics is not only going to blow up in their face but everyone else' (AGAIN for another 4 years) if they don't realize they have more in common with Barack Obama than they do this woman simply b/c she's white and they refuse to vote for a BIRACIAL (not black) man!
{"commentId":1761602,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
- 4 votes
#5 - Sat May 3, 2008 11:57 AM EDT{"commentId":1761635,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
if they don't realize they have more in common with Barack Obama than they do this woman simply b/c she's white and they refuse to vote for a BIRACIAL (not black) man!
Enough of the racial crap. You're not holding Barack responsible for his "Guns and Religion" remarks.
That elitist remark killed him. Not to mention his pastor's "US A of KKK A" nonsense.
{"commentId":1761635,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
- 8 votes
#6 - Sat May 3, 2008 12:12 PM EDT{"commentId":1761705,"authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
Enough of the racial crap. You're not holding Barack responsible for his "Guns and Religion" remarks.
First of all there is not a racial bone in my body. I am a biracial woman who was raised to understand both whites and blacks in a non-prejudiced way! I stand by that with every grain in my body. That's why I know and believe in Barack b/c what he is saying about "we are better than the sum of our parts" is so fundamentally important for people to get in this race! If and when they finally "GET IT" we will be closer to watching him take his innaugural oath in January and closer to getting this country where it needs to be.
There is nothing racist about what I'm saying it's just time for everyone else to get it and get on board b/c too many people (like these people in the article) don't understand how vulnerable they are and how they're prejudiced positions are destroying this country. I know, (and have loved) these same people, who are my blood relatives. It's time for forgiveness and healing for all - and this is the opportunity.
I'm not trying to offer excuses for misrepresented statements by Barack. I'm simply trying to raise the awareness of people who are being influenced by lies.
{"commentId":1761705,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1761791,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
There is nothing racist about what I'm saying
HA!!
if they don't realize they have more in common with Barack Obama than they do this woman simply b/c she's white and they refuse to vote for a BIRACIAL (not black) man!
You have a lot a racial bones to say that! People can and do look past Obama's Biracialness and will not vote for him because of his character and stand on the issues.
I would not vote for him no matter what color he was. And that's what it should be.
{"commentId":1761791,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1762096,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
The Observer
Enough of the racial crap. You're not holding Barack responsible for his "Guns and Religion" remarks.
What's wrong with the remarks? They're accurate. Obama shared his observations regarding the socio-cultural aspects of small town despair. Not typical behavior of a politician in a race because any negative depiction of an American will create a public outcry; even if it's tied into a cry that these Americans deserve better treatment from their government. Forget what's true if your words could in any way be twisted into a negative thing by your opponents.
Truth in the minds of the young and educated, elitist in the minds of the older and uneducated. Isn't that how it goes? That's a general truth of society, no? It's a hard, harsh truth.
{"commentId":1762096,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1762379,"authorDomain":"gmarez"}
Guns and Religion
His "Guns and Religion," was not about guns and religion. anyone who watched the speech in full would know that he was just listing out social issues that people vote on:
So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on.
Why? To paraphrase, he said that people have lost faith that the government will change the economic situation of the country. So what is left to vote one? The social issues. He was not criticizing the working class. He was only stating facts, as are the case for a great deal of voters.
If the media wasn't so ready to harpoon every statement for BETTER RATINGS following a writers strike, Obama wouldn't be in this situation.
I'd like them to replay Clinton's "Baking Cookies" comments as much as they have done to Obama. Maybe then we could at least say they were being fair.
{"commentId":1762379,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"gmarez"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1762490,"authorDomain":"gmarez"}
Or Why doesn't the media harp on when Hillary told Bill "screw" Southern white working class voters during his reelection bid.
Screw 'em," she told her husband. "You don't owe them a thing, Bill. They're doing nothing for you; you don't have to do anything for them.
{"commentId":1762490,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"gmarez"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1761643,"authorDomain":"angela593"}
Words have much power. The "cling" comment from Obama hurt his ratings. If Obama's communication sends vibes to the average person that he can not understandthe average American of every age, race, income, belief, and creed then his chance of winning the general election are poor. Perception is reality to the average person. His PR has suffered since the PA primary. He needs to find a convincing way to communicate some "All- American" beliefs to the masses.
{"commentId":1761643,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"angela593"}
- 1 vote
#7 - Sat May 3, 2008 12:14 PM EDT{"commentId":1761669,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
"Words have meaning." --Barack Obama
{"commentId":1761669,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1761735,"authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
Perception is reality to the average person
And perception can be wrong. Especially when you're steeped in a slanted viewpoint. And these people are. They knew enought that their vote for Bush for the past 8 years was wrong and that all he did was feed them (and the country) a bunch of lies and that's why they were wise enough to change their party to Democrats right now. The only thing they can't seem to get over is their "slanted viewpoint" of Barack b/c he's black and their just trying to justify their "perception" by voting for Hillary simply b/c she's white and they know that this is not the day and age of acceptable outward racism. So, their smart enough to know they better "shade their perception" with something a little more palatable for those who don't agree with them (and I'm not talking about blacks). They know about Hillary and her dishonesty and untrustworthiness and ties to large corporations and her scandals, but they'd soon enough vote for her than Barack for the obvious reasons tha the rest of us are not supposed to call them on. Well I'm not playing that game anymore
I am biracial (like Barack) and grew up with this my whole life. I know, oh too well what's going on with this. He's an honest man (the polls have supported this over and over again) but "old school" people are having a hard time with his "blackness" and the things they don't relate to about him. (Rev. Wright)
{"commentId":1761735,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1761930,"authorDomain":"ceosvcs"}
Politics is a game of words, placing them in the right context is something the general public becomes delusional with.
The political wizards know when, and how, to place the words into a public spin, and thus create the delusional atmosphere, generally before choice or votes are cast.
Does the best candidate win, well in the review of our last fifty years I believe the score may be even, thus this election will slant to the powers that be and we the so called educated public will be witness to the facts vs. the delusional spin.
Will a change occur? No doubt! Will the change stir up Washington? Well the odds are 66.66% in favor of same old same old with the only being a new face in the oval office.
Will the 33.33% chance of real change occur? The tally will begin to show in the next 60 days, wherein the public will again witness the magical wizards spin the words and create the delusional atmosphere of --- Where did the rabbit come from----
{"commentId":1761930,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"ceosvcs"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1761651,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
26% of the country believes Obama has the same views of America as Pastor Wright.
Deadly.
{"commentId":1761651,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
- 4 votes
#8 - Sat May 3, 2008 12:19 PM EDT{"commentId":1761686,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
Actually 24%, including 20% of the independents and 15% of Blacks according to an Opinion Dynamics Poll
37. Reverend Wright has made some controversial and unpatriotic comments about
America -- do you believe Barack Obama shares his views, or not?
Yes shares views, No does not (Don't know)
[18-19 Mar 08] 24% 57 19
Democrats 17% 63 20
Republicans 36% 46 18
Independents 20% 62 18
Whites 25% 55 20
Blacks 15% 72 13
{"commentId":1761686,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":1761719,"authorDomain":"miasma"}
(responding to The "Observer") 26%, Yeah, that is roughly the amount of people that think W doesn't suck as President. Talk about a deadly group.
{"commentId":1761719,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"miasma"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1761748,"authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
26% of the country believes Obama has the same views of America as Pastor Wright.
That's a very low number when you compare it with 76% of it's remainder! Let's focus on that number instead. Most people have gotten over this mess and realize that the GOP generated media is playing this thing to their advantage. Most others agree and support Obama's decision to distance himself from Rev. Wright (including educated, white collar whites)
{"commentId":1761748,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1761750,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
W is not running.
{"commentId":1761750,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1761754,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
That's a very low number when you compare it with 76% of it's remainder!
Wrong, Miss Happy Spin! When elections are decided by one state and less than 1% of the popular vote, it is very bad news for Obama and the Democrats.
{"commentId":1761754,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1761764,"authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
When elections are decided by one state and less than 1% of the popular vote, it is very bad news for Obama and the Democrats.
Oh yes, I'm sorry when you do math your way. Just discount all the other states where he is winning and will continue to win. Maybe this year places like Ohio, and PA won't count as much when you have to weigh in the other 48 states!
From, Mrs. Happy Spin - to you!
{"commentId":1761764,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1761782,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
You don't know that he will continue to win.
Facts: He hasn't won a major state since February.
His negatives have risen sharply.
He has lost momentum.
{"commentId":1761782,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":1761811,"authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
He has lost momentum.
Momentum doesn't win the race either, look at Hillary. She has only picked up momentum since PA (and it's shortlived b/c she's still behind and not slated to pick-up) So momentum means nothing.
His negatives have risen sharply.
You don't lose b/c of negatives either, look at Bush. He's still the President, right and he's full of negatives?
Facts: He hasn't won a major state since February.
He has won 22 states since February - Fact! And, that's what has kept him ahead in delegates, popular vote and has closed the gap in Superdelegates, and will get him the nomination in June! Major states, there is no such thing, anymore. So, what are you talking about?
{"commentId":1761811,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1761847,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
What states did Obama win the popular vote in March and April?
Major states, no such things? Put down the Kool-Aid! Major states carry a large number of electoral votes, and minor states carry a small number of electoral votes.
One big state, particularly Ohio or Florida can swing this election.
{"commentId":1761847,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":1762024,"authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
Major states, no such things? Put down the Kool-Aid! Major states carry a large number of electoral votes, and minor states carry a small number of electoral votes.
First let me say, We educated elitist don't drink Kool-Aid, my friend. We can afford the good stuff. That's why we go to school. Second let me say - don't let your horns show - the others might catch on to who you really are.
Lastly, don't try to be funny with the "electoral" votes - we can swing the vote with 2 states thingy. You know I know this already, but if that's what you want to cling to to believe yourself, then okay Observer. You win. The little states don't count b/c all the bigots live in Ohio and PA, right?
{"commentId":1762024,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1762068,"authorDomain":"joejoe1944"}
you are right there all the big states with the most electoral votes are going to Hillery. One thing that the people seem to forget is that no mater what Obama says he stayed in that Church for 20 years and only now that it is not to his advantage he is now against it, get real folks, He agrees with what his pastor has said but had to trash him to get the votes.
{"commentId":1762068,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"joejoe1944"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1762338,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
Observer:
All true, deception and manipulation by the corporate media as well as by you, creates false divisions when the real divisions are by criminal elites, carrying out illegal aggressions, illegal occupations, illegal attacks, and has more than half of the people convinced that some group, scapegoat, in Hitler's time the Jews, today by corporate class interests against Iraqis, Iranians who had nothing to do with 9/11. Aren't you proud of your results???? I am not. If these white yahoos continue to fall for these lies, like yours, and support another illegal aggression against Iran, and blaming the anti war movement, Obama or anyone else for pointing out their stupidity, servility, then they deserve what white racists in Nazi Germany ended with,...defeat, and destruction, whether internally by running out of worthless dollars, or rednecks who finally get it, or both, but by then the Amerikan century, like the Thousand year Reich along with so many other class and colonial regimes, will look like idiotic insane responses by its yahoo, silent majority. They learned nothing from the Vietnam, they will not learn anything from Iraq, but they will learn something from Iran.....the taste of fascist defeat.
{"commentId":1762338,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1761675,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
"It's the stuff about his preacher ... and the thing he said about Pennsylvania towns, how they turn to religion," Keith Wolfe, 41, a supermarket food stocker from Parkville, Md., said in a follow-up interview. "I don't think he'd be a really good leader."
Obama should have said that small town voters are idiots who cling to talking points when making up their minds about who to vote for.
The press, for the win.
{"commentId":1761675,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"brianford"}
- 8 votes
#9 - Sat May 3, 2008 12:26 PM EDT{"commentId":1761683,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}
Observer, Obama does share Wright's view. We just weren't supposed to learn about it until it was too late.
{"commentId":1761683,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}
- 3 votes
#10 - Sat May 3, 2008 12:28 PM EDT{"commentId":1761688,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
It's what the public believes that counts. See 8.1
{"commentId":1761688,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1761701,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}
Yes, perception is reality. What's disturbing is Obama has to be nudged to repudiate Wright. That's a truth the followers don't want to be known.
{"commentId":1761701,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":1761708,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
He's not a new type of politician. He's just a politician, and he is experiencing a long fall from saintly ground.
{"commentId":1761708,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1761717,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
I agree, backroads! He was secretly conspiring with Reverend Wright all of that time... He's running for president so that he can act as Wright's puppet.
Just you wait, Caucasians will be marked with UPC codes and begin to mysteriously vanish, he will seat an all black cabinet and put the rest of us to work in cotton fields to show us the social injustice enslaved African Americans had to go through. He will force a law through that dumps millions into the homes of African Americans with AIDs because it was the government's fault they got it in the first place. He will treat every American as though they were a terrorist and Damn the country repeatedly. He will put black theological issues first above all other issues.
Oh, I see it. I see it... lol
{"commentId":1761717,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1761725,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
No, he's experiencing what everyone experiences when they take a strong lead in a contest. Those who support someone else (of course) want to see him lose ground and those who might have to face him further down the road against their team will do everything they can to muddy the waters.
It was people like you who propped up the saint, and now you're cackling about a supposed fall. We shall see once/if he gets the nomination.
Still, you want this to seem like a fall, when it's just inevitable backlash for popularity. It comes with the territory.
Either way, I have very little doubt that McCains recent "surge" in he polls has very little to do with his chances of success later this year. The Dems are going to line up behind whoever gets the nomination.
{"commentId":1761725,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"brianford"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":1761744,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
No, he's experiencing what everyone experiences when they take a strong lead in a contest.
He was easy to vote for when nobody knew his negatives and negatives always come out.
{"commentId":1761744,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1761756,"authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
He was easy to vote for when nobody knew his negatives and negatives always come out.
Observer when are you going to get it that people don't subscribe to your train of thought on this?
{"commentId":1761756,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"kamaya2"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1761772,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
He was easy to vote for when nobody knew his negatives and negatives always come out.
Of course they do. I for one, never thought he didn't have any. Though, I'm often lumped in with this convenient crowd of people who do, because it makes it easier for the right to argue talking points when they argue against a group of made-up fanatics.
With that said, unless you're contending that McCain and Clinton don't have any faults, I'm not sure why I should be put off by the fact that Obama has a few, when I happen to agree with most of his stances.
Unfortunately for McCain, I don't particularly disagree with Clinton much, either (though I'm less fond of her style) and will vote for/back her her after a week or so of sulking if she manages to wrest the nomination from Obama.
Wait and see, that's the way it's going to go, whichever candidate gets the nom.
{"commentId":1761772,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"brianford"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":1761785,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
Observer when are you going to get it that people don't subscribe to your train of thought on this?
I do. Liberals ignore facts and negatives when it's their guy.
{"commentId":1761785,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":1761800,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
Brian Ford: He was easy to vote for when nobody knew his negatives and negatives always come out.
Of course they do. I for one, never thought he didn't have any.
You were that naive!
With that said, unless you're contending that McCain and Clinton don't have any faults
They have faults, but they are known. The finding of the first fault of a "perfect candidate" is the most shattering. At this point, Hillary is slander proof.
BTW, I agree with you that for all the posturing by the other side, the Dems will fall in line. However, if a small minority of them don't and vote for McCain or sit 2008, it could be very costly. This will be a very close election.
{"commentId":1761800,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1761835,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
The finding of the first fault of a "perfect candidate" is the most shattering. At this point, Hillary is slander proof.
Which is why I'd like to thank whoever it is that got all this "first fault" business with Wright out of the way now, instead of after the primaries. It's going to be difficult to make that an issue again, especially considering McCain has gone on the record stating he won't use it as part of his campaign. So, either he really won't, or he will and he can be made to look like a hypocrite based on having said he won't. Good news for Obama either way.
I'm not even willing to waste my time worrying about the bitter comment, because I happen to agree with it, and I think enough voters will also agree with it that it won't make much of a difference, especially in the face of 4 more years of Republican leadership. I'm convinced that those who are ost "offended" by it are Republicans who want dearly for it to sway a few moderates. It's a faux issue, and one that I think will be peripheral.
Ultimately, it's really easy to look at all these articles (most of them coming from the Right, on Newsvine) about Obama and feel doom and gloom, but step away for a few days, and it's easy (for me) to see that McCain's current popularity (for whatever it is worth) is based on not having to do much of anything, and most of the doom and gloom is based on a heated primary battle, fueled by people who aren't going to vote for either Dem anyway, which is going to all but disappear as soon as one of the candidates moves forward as the nom.
Then, a week later, the other candidate will hold a speech, intended to re-connect the party, in which he/she will say:
"At times, our process got heated. We both said some things that we should and do regret. Both of us felt we were the better candidate to lead this nation, but now that my opponent is moving forward, we need to refocus our energies towards the next four years of Democratic leadership, in which we can all work to make things better in the United States. The time for petty infighting is over, and we have to work together to defeat John McCain."
Once that speech is given, I look forward to seeing the polls, and the drastic swing they're going to take.
{"commentId":1761835,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"brianford"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":1762583,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
Someone said, Perception is everything which needs to be restated, Deception is everyting, it worked for the racists, know nothing yahoos, in Fascist Germany, also worked over by the corporate press, and deformed middle classes.
{"commentId":1762583,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1762943,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
BR:
Yes, perception is reality. What's disturbing is Obama has to be nudged to repudiate Wright. That's a truth the followers don't want to be known.
Clearly you don't value loyalty among friends, particularly in tough times. First you cry about him "throwing grandma under the bus" and now you cry about how and when he disavowed Wright. I wouldn't want you getting my back, apparently you give someone up at the drop of a hat if it's advantageous to you.
{"commentId":1762943,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"isaacs"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1763149,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}
No, Scott, the Democrats are doing all the bawling. Look at the mess, the division, within your party. Accept reality -- one that you have helped create. Look at the disloyalty, too. It's rampant.
You're the one not to show the back to -- remember you supported disenfranchising millions.
{"commentId":1763149,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1763247,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
I wouldn't worry about division among Democrats... we'll be fine once Hillary stops playing pretender to the throne. :-)
I supported disenfranchising millions how? If you're referring to Michigan and Florida, I take it you're an anarchist? If not, there are rules and if you don't follow them there are consequences. It looks like they'll get half their delegates back so what's there to complain about?
{"commentId":1763247,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"isaacs"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1761834,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
As with many other AP articles, this one claims the votes of many of those less privileged and educated will be racist against Obama. As if such voting is not occurring among blacks. And even more importantly, as if the votes favoring a race must be racist.
Why is this said? Because, to those who believe that a black segregationist who advocates black liberation and power is appropriate, indeed necessary, for our country today, such views are racist. But to those who fear what a black segregationist like Obama will do to our country, the issue is simply black segregation. Not black race. We would do well to have a few exit poll questions on this issue rather than one that people point to in order to contend racism is at the base of the vote.
There is also another important point obscured in this denunciation of white voters with less education. The article says:
In exit polls, one in five of the state's white voters who haven't completed college said race was an important factor in choosing a candidate, about double the number of white college graduates who said so. Eight in 10 of them voted for Clinton over Obama, and only about half said they would vote for Obama over McCain in November.
So, these racists said that they would vote for Obama after all? Or were these people different from the others?
Finally, I have long felt that people who are less monied are more honest. So why single them out as "racist?" Because the author and many others are economic discriminators of the first order. And economic discrimination, the discrimination that allows Obama to talk about bitterness and religion and rejection of those not like them, is the most pernicious discrimination today among the greatest number of people. Not racial discrimination.
{"commentId":1761834,"threadId":"259105","contentId":"1467106","authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
- 3 votes
#11 - Sat May 3, 2008 1:40 PM EDT{"commentId":1761843,"authorDomain":"jdauria11"}
Neither Obama nor Clinton is a perfect candidate. I do worry, however, that Clinton has used tactics that play off of stereotypes and limited thinking. She is savvy but I do find her methods disappointing and worrisome. Obama has made some significant missteps. While Clinton has outmaneuvered him recently, he has created his own traps.
More importantly, however, the distinctions that are being described in this article are a function of education. We continue to pay a price in this country for not genuinely making effective and consistent improvements in our educational system a central goal. No Child Left Behind was a slogan that not only lacked substance, it created a system of punitive measures that has strip mined our schools of creative approaches and thoughtful curricula.
Even in this election, the topic of education has faded into oblivion. Our ineffective education system that works for only some people, continues to pump out citizens who are overly influenced by media headlines and by unchallenged stereotypes. Our inability to develop citizens who will make decisions about candidates and issues by gathering facts from multiple sources and by applying a healthy dose of skepticism about how the news is presented will continue to hurt us in subtle but powerful ways. George Bush's election in some ways, I would argue, is a symptom of a failed education system. We should have been wiser. We need to learn from our mistakes this time around.
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- 6 votes
#12 - Sat May 3, 2008 1:43 PM EDT{"commentId":1761862,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
John,
Why are you fostering stereotypes?
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1761886,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
The Observer
John,
Why are you fostering stereotypes?
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1762085,"authorDomain":"joejoe1944"}
the education system hasn't failed anyone. The parents have failed the child, as long as they don't bother the parents then they don't have any good supervision and help with the home work so they get disillusioned at school and drop out. That is one of the saddest things in the USA right now. If the parents would take more interest in what there children are doing and how they are doing I think thins would be much better.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1761916,"authorDomain":"jdauria11"}
How so?
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#13 - Sat May 3, 2008 2:22 PM EDT{"commentId":1761934,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
Re-read what you wrote, John. Particularly the last few paragraphs.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1762301,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
"It's the stuff about his preacher ... and the thing he said about Pennsylvania towns, how they turn to religion," Keith Wolfe, 41, a supermarket food stocker from Parkville, Md., said in a follow-up interview. "I don't think he'd be a really good leader."
Three cheers for the spin masters of the MSM who can take manipulate uninformed voters.
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- 3 votes
#14 - Sat May 3, 2008 5:33 PM EDT{"commentId":1762330,"authorDomain":"crazypeppers"}
headinthegame, you actually think repealing the gas tax for 3 months is gonna do anything? The oil industry will pocket that money, instead of it being used to repair roads and bridges, unless you are ok with bridges collapsing.
It's not surprising that uneducated whites won't vote for Obama. They are used to voting for people like George Bush, who tell them what they want to hear and look like them. They make their voting choices on soundbites and ads, not research or being able to see through slick political gimmicks.
The fact is that if Hillary went to church where Falwell preached, nothing would be said. Even though he has made as many bad sermons as Wright has. Wright is the black Falwell, but because he is black, his sermons are scary and racist. Other than the AIDS statement, all his other statements are pretty accurate.
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#15 - Sat May 3, 2008 5:44 PM EDT{"commentId":1762353,"authorDomain":"Zoilus"}
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- 2 votes
#16 - Sat May 3, 2008 5:50 PM EDT{"commentId":1762498,"authorDomain":"bluecollarbytes"}
I've generally tried to keep a respectful distance of sorts from socialist windbags who lurk about the vine. But "know nothing redneck yahoos" was, I thought, a bit below the level of measurable intelligence usually emanating from Eric. I thought these guys were your natural allies in the 'good fight'? You won't get far insulting them first. You need to first make them feel superior to the rich, appealing to their egos, and 'instinctive yearning' to be taken care of by a compassionate yet stern all-powerful bureaucracy run by busy-bodies living on the dole of taxpayers. Once relieved of the duty and responsibility to take care of themselves, they will flock to your cause like buzzards to mound of carcasses.
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- 4 votes
#17 - Sat May 3, 2008 6:47 PM EDT{"commentId":1762633,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
Bluecollarbytes:
When social layers become imbued with class values, imperial values, even workers, and especially here in the U.S., because of hypocrites like you, who call themselves "Blue collar" but sound more like yahoos....it is best to call them out for their ignorance and take them on a working and middle class level, not the class elites who will feed them pablum like you. I come from a working, and military background, and I know what I am up against, by yahoos like you.
I will call them racists, imperialists, know nothings because I know they can be also liberated by social ideology, if only they were not corrupted by the blue blood, like Bush, who pretends to be a cowboy redneck, when in fact he is a class fascist, that most workers fought against during World War II.. Love hurts....honest critiques hurts, which is why Obama is being misused by Hillary, McCain and the imperial corporate media.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1763276,"authorDomain":"joejoe1944"}
you hit the nail on the head.right on bluecollar
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1762640,"authorDomain":"abbi"}
Obama and his camp are full of manipulative tricks to take the spotlight before next Tuesday's primaries but I don't think it is going to help Obama. Hillary Clinton is going to take Indiana and North Carolina. I don't know where they get these voter profiles about Hillary supporters not being educated. I am educated and I have supported Hillary Clinton from the start because she is the BEST QUALIFIED for the job. When Hillary Clinton becomes president she intends to make it more affordable for those who want to go to college to have the opportunity to go to college.
Another thing is that I know not to look down my nose at people who don't have a college education. Not having a college education does not mean they're not smart. Some of the smartest people I have ever met didn't have college degrees. I think that is precisely one of the differences between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama is that Hillary Clinton recognizes that people who don't have a college degree (because they weren't able to go to college for various reasons) are just as smart as, and sometimes smarter, than the majority of college degree people. That probably explains why Barack Obama is losing the working-class white votes. They are not as easily fooled by smoke and mirrors as you might think. Most of them fully understand how the game of Charades is played.
I think Hillary Clinton is going to win Indiana, North Carolina and Kentucky and most of the remaining primaries and take the nomination away from Barack Obama.. It has been reported recently that ELIZABETH TAYLOR SUPPORTS HILLARY CLINTON. She is encouraging people in the upcoming primaries to vote for Hillary Clinton. HILLARY CLINTON WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE USA!!!!!!!!!
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- 2 votes
#18 - Sat May 3, 2008 7:28 PM EDT{"commentId":1762711,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
Morgan:
Another thing is that I know not to look down my nose at people who don't have a college education. Not having a college education does not mean they're not smart. Some of the smartest people I have ever met didn't have college degrees. I think that is precisely one of the differences between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama is that Hillary Clinton recognizes that people who don't have a college degree (because they weren't able to go to college for various reasons) are just as smart as, and sometimes smarter, than the majority of college degree people. That probably explains why Barack Obama is losing the working-class white votes. They are not as easily fooled by smoke and mirrors as you might think. Most of them fully understand how the game of Charades is played.
I'm a product of two parents, four grandparents and God knows how many relatives that don't have a college degree. Mine is technically not finished and two of my cousins have their's. That's it.
Your grand pronouncements make it pretty clear that you aren't one of us whether you look down your nose at people like my family or not. Yes, we're good judges of horseflesh. Some of the smartest non-college people I know support Obama and they are people I never would have expected to and it's because they're a good judge of character. However, your assertion that no high school degree and white equals smart and Clinton supporter is false. The no high school degree is a generational thing, extending through families until the exodus of manufacturing jobs made higher education necessary. If I could build jet engines at General Electric with my dad, you can bet your ass I wouldn't be getting a B.A. in History from Miami University of Ohio. They just simply aren't hiring, even for a third generation employee of GEAE like myself.
Furthermore, your declaration that these people as a whole aren't stupid isn't borne out by results. Whites without college educations are the people that re-elected Bush and the nicest thing that I can say about them is they clearly aren't interested in results when they will renew the contract of a coach that led the team to an 0-30 record during the season. They're smart when they want to be and in the middle of a goddamned war they decided that "cultural values" was the #1 issue to vote on... not the efficacy to lead us to victory in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan, but rather a belief that God is great, any legislation against gun ownership is a mortal sin and gays getting married is the worst thing since the Black Death. I mean, seriously, I've already given my bona fides as being a part of this group of voters... what the fu*k can you say about their collective intelligence when our very survival is on the line and they decide a guy that's done a shi*ty job running a war and never even fought in one was a better president than someone who won medals fighting in a war but gave them up? Really, I'd love to know what you have to say about that.
It has been reported recently that ELIZABETH TAYLOR SUPPORTS HILLARY CLINTON.
Well, that clinches it. If a woman that played Cleopatra four decades ago whose best friend (Michael Jackson) is a child molester supports Hillary Clinton, why shouldn't I?
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1762812,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
MA Morgan:
Obama is like most generic politicians in the service of olgiarchy, imperial policies, who say one thing and do another. So if you are going to go after OIbama, at least come up with rational, generic arguments against his capitulations to the imperial policies of McCain and Hillary. Your argument was sterile and one sided. Obama needs to be criticized, but not the way you compare him to Hillary and McCAin the worst of the worst. Please be specific and less deceptive with your imperial racist apologetics.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1763037,"authorDomain":"gmarez"}
Obama and his camp are full of manipulative tricks to take the spotlight before next Tuesday's primaries but I don't think it is going to help Obama.
You know, I give Obama a whole lot of credit for not being the way you portray him. When Hillary brings up Rezko, I respect him for not bringing up Paul vs Clinton, Travelgate, Whitewater, or any other sorted affairs that she has been a part of. (Not to mention foreign investors to her husbands library). He has been prudent enough to keep it on the current issues, and fairly respectful of Clinton.
And when Hillary doubts his Christianity in a live debate, or harps on the Wright issue, he doesn't bring up Rod Parsley (who preaches the same if not worse rhetoric then Wright), or her ex-pastor (the child molester), or her long time membership in a staunchly fundamentalist religious group called "The Fellowship."
He doesn't make personal attacks. He addresses her policy proposals and her past professional "experience." The mainstream media is serving people half truths on Obama, while omitting some things that would make voters seriously doubt her credibility to lead this nation.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1763119,"authorDomain":"jeb19"}
Too bad an elitist can't win an election in this country as this might at last knock some sense into this country. Unfortunately the world depends on the American blue collar vote to elect a President, the very people who have no idea how the world at large works, or could locate most countries on a world map. We've all seen what happened in the last eight years with a definite "non-elitist" in the White House!
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- 3 votes
#19 - Sat May 3, 2008 10:46 PM EDT{"commentId":1763528,"authorDomain":"Zoilus"}
Do you realize that this country is ruled by Sudo-elitist now and this is what Obama is fighting against, trying to give back control to the rightful sovereigns of power to this country, "The Common man" We, The People The Democratic party was called "The Party of the Common Man" at its beginning. Jefferson is the founder of the Democratic Party. Obama quotes him often for that very reason.
Being an Elite is not a negative term. It can just mean you are the Best. The Special Forces are an Elite Military Force! Elite are people considered to be the best in a particular society or category, because of their power, wealth or talent. Don't you want the best person to run this country, or just someone you would feel comfortable drinking a beer with?
What we see here in this election is the Elite's of power and wealth, calling a man who, by virtue of his own talent, education, and hard work has gained status and recognition to come were he is now. Using the negative connotation of the word that these sudo elitist who have no talent of their owwn but where born with silver spoons up thier collective butts are themselves are guilty of being, elitist in the negative sense of the word, spoiled sudo-aristocratic, Elitist..
There is a natural aristocracy among men. The grounds of this are virtue and talents... There is also an artificial aristocracy founded on wealth and birth, without either virtue or talents; for with these it would belong to the first class... The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provision should be made to prevent its ascendency." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813.
History repeats, learn from it.
"Lay down true principles and adhere to them inflexibly. Do not be frightened into their surrender by the alarms of the timid, or the croakings of wealth against the ascendency of the people." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816
Listen to what Hilary said in her interview with O'Reilly, "God bless us Rich People!" Then tell me who the elitist is?
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1764017,"authorDomain":"TheObserver1"}
Being an Elite is not a negative term. It can just mean you are the Best.
But an elitist is a negative term
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1765997,"authorDomain":"vincitveritas"}
Butanelitistiscan be a negative term
There, fixed that for you. Believing someone should receive benefit based on merit may be "elitist", but it, most certainly, is not a negative belief.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1766058,"authorDomain":"Zoilus"}
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Elite it's has more then one definitions, so you are either the best at something, or your a stuck up aristocratic, socialite, born with a silverspoon up the ass like McCaine, or Clinton or Bush and have everything handed to you on a silver platter. Or you are like the Special Forces, The Green Beret, or Obama someone who made his own way to the top by his own talents, this is the good kind.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1763418,"authorDomain":"fredlp"}
I just figured out how Hilary will pay for the Gas Holiday. RAISE YOUR TAXES! Also in American Economic History is has been shown that if a company makes to much profit then the government does in fact step in and investigate them. No I am not saying the government can regulate how much a company can make because under our market system profit is not a dirty word.
Also, if people voting for Hilary or McCain because of this and they are in the construction industry (which many do not work in the winter)they better think if $28 for a 3 month savings is worth their job then (estimated at 300,000 jobs would be lost due to lack of funding. this would also eliminate 9 billion dollars in the highway trust fund)then they better start thinking about public assistance for food, health care, rent or mortgage payments they would need since they traded their job for $28. That 9 billion is what the government uses to pay for the highway and infrastructure projects.
The financing through the Wind Fall Profits Tax is not real either because their is no tax on the books for Wind Fall Profits.
Back in the 70's when there was a gas shortage everyone cut back on gas so the price would go down and save on fuel. Guess what happened. The price went up because the gas companies wanted to keep their bottom line and less gas was being purchased.
There were tankers sitting in Narragansett Bay full that would not come to port to unload because they were told to stay out in the bay. These tankers were lying low in the water which means they were full.
I lived it, I have seen it, I know it. Don't be fooled. The reason the price is high is because one company bought another one out and closed that companies refinery. That is why the price is high. No refinery has been built in 30 years. The gas companies is using the law of supply and demand to their advantage. Billions in profits and yet no refineries.
What state would eliminate their taxes on gas in today's environment. Not one because they are running in deficits. Why would the Federal Government do the same whey they are running a deficit. This is just telling people what they want to hear for the vote. Illinois did it and it was a failure.
You bring the price down and the oil companies are just going to raise their price because they know the people will purchase it anyway and when the tax goes back into effect your $4/Gallon will be around $4.50 per gallon.
You have heard this saying many times. You even told your children this, "if it seems to be to good then watch out because it is not and something bad is going to happen.
Don't let anyone fool you. Look through these proposals because they are just being said for you vote and you WILL PAY THE FIDDLER LATER!!!!!
Frederick Potter
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- 4 votes
#20 - Sun May 4, 2008 12:24 AM EDT{"commentId":1763617,"authorDomain":"cpaul44"}
Well, if the white rural voters of America favour Hillary and MC Cain, we will be digging our own graves for 8 more years of War,high fuel prices and a decline in our living standards. What it also says is that the Clintons and their Right Wing Republican Allies have fooled us again. Hope this article is another Right Wing spin.
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- 5 votes
#21 - Sun May 4, 2008 1:57 AM EDT{"commentId":1763849,"authorDomain":"abbi"}
You people are living in a fairyland. Obama doesn't know how to fix a *%*#@#%^@** thing. He needs to go back to the Senate and get some experience. Hillary Clinton proposed that the oil company would pay for the gas tax. Hillary Clinton is going to win the Indiana primary and the North Carolina primary because she is the smartest and the best leader. Obama only knows how to take baby steps compared to Hillary Clinton. Voters in Indiana and North Carolina if you want your next four years to be better than your last eight years then you should vote for HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT.
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- 1 vote
#22 - Sun May 4, 2008 7:23 AM EDT{"commentId":1764278,"authorDomain":"adamkemp"}
Hillary Clinton proposed that the oil company would pay for the gas tax
In which case the tax becomes an expense which is passed right back onto consumers. Clinton is a moron.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1765031,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
I must agree with Adam... forcing oil companies to pay it is simply going to redirect it onto consumers. Just admit that it was a mistake, Morgan. This won't work for the same reason price controls don't: it drives up demand on a static supply making no one better off.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1763872,"authorDomain":"abbi"}
Scott: I have seen your posts on the newsvine and I am quite surprised at your response. The media is always saying that the educated, young and elite support Barack Obama. Now you are lashing out at me because I have respect for people who don't have a college education. Take up this issue with the news media, they are the ones who categorize the candidate's supporters. As far as your remarks regarding Elizabeth Taylor, she has known more presidents than Barack Obama will ever meet in his lifetime.
Elizabeth Taylor was Ronald Reagan's neighbor in Beverly Hills and she was married to Senator John Warner from Virginia. She is a respected academy award winning actress as well as an International Icon, and I think she has the experience and wisdom to be a pretty good judge of character and knows that Hillary Clinton is the right choice for our next President. Whether you like it or not Elizabeth Taylor has influence on voters over a certain age who will decide that Hillary Clinton is the best qualified candidate to be the President. I will also add that someone who Oprah Winfrey admires very much also supports Hillary Clinton for president, and that is Maya Angelou. Okay, so go ahead and say some unkind remark about her too.
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#23 - Sun May 4, 2008 7:57 AM EDT{"commentId":1765177,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}
Morgan:
Now you are lashing out at me because I have respect for people who don't have a college education.
No, I took issue with you explaining why whites without college educations are right about Obama because I don't think they're right and I pointed out why. I also pointed out that I have the right to question/criticize this group because I belong to it.
As far as your remarks regarding Elizabeth Taylor, she has known more presidents than Barack Obama will ever meet in his lifetime.
This operates by the same faulty logic that 8 years of pillowtalk between Bill and Hillary Clinton has made Hillary the most experienced and prepared candidate to occupy the White House in Jan. 2009. No offense but do you trust the judgment of someone who decided 8 times that she had found "the one" and proceeded with a marriage to that person? Particularly to make the most important decision this year that will have implications for the next four years and perhaps longer? Also, explain to me why Joe Andrews switching sides has little to no effect on the election but Elizabeth Taylor is suddenly a font of knowledge about what makes a good president... either endorsements barely matter or they matter a great deal. Choose.
Elizabeth Taylor was Ronald Reagan's neighbor in Beverly Hills and she was married to Senator John Warner from Virginia.
And I dated a brilliant mathematician that got offered a job by a branch of our national security infrastructure. You don't see me cracking steganography codes that Al Qaeda uses to send messages across the Internet though, do you?
Whether you like it or not Elizabeth Taylor has influence on voters over a certain age who will decide that Hillary Clinton is the best qualified candidate to be the President.
Trust me, the majority of people that came of age in the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's already go against Obama. I'm not concerned that Liz Taylor's endorsement is going to seriously compromise the 30+ crowd's support of Obama any more than it already is.
I will also add that someone who Oprah Winfrey admires very much also supports Hillary Clinton for president, and that is Maya Angelou. Okay, so go ahead and say some unkind remark about her too.
Yes, and Oprah Winfrey endorsed Barack Obama. I dare say that she has more influence over women voters than Maya Angelou, but that's just me. Perhaps you know why the caged bird sings? ;-) I've read the woman's poetry and I have nothing unkind to say about her except I think she backed the wrong horse, it's that simple. However, you haven't set up Angelou as the political genius you sought to portray Taylor as either.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1765225,"authorDomain":"crazypeppers"}
Elizabeth Taylor's best friend is a monkey loving, child molester but she's a GREAT judge of character, LMAO. Hillary will divide this country even more.
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- 5 votes
#24 - Sun May 4, 2008 6:07 PM EDT{"commentId":1765425,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}
touché
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1766051,"authorDomain":"blitzattack11"}
tHE FIRST THING oBAMA needs to do is stop the racism
Secondly he needs to stop saying poor people are ignorant
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#25 - Sun May 4, 2008 10:46 PM EDT{"commentId":1766094,"authorDomain":"Zoilus"}
So being half white and have black, which side is racist to which, do you know how ignorant that makes you sound? No, "ignorant" is what someone is, who doesn't know a thing. Everyone is ignorant about something. "Stupid" is a person who is incapable of learning at a normal level of intelligence, and can not learn a thing. If you think that Obama is talking down to you, then you are stupid. What stupid people need to learn is... oh, never mind if they could learn, then they wouldn't be stupid....
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions, then go back to being stupid just in time to not understand the answer?
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- 2 votes
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