TV video shows Philly officers kicking, hitting 3 suspects

kwuark:

I watched the video. Thanks for the link!

Perrine said that police told him all three men would be charged with aggravated assault.What a joke!

That's like charging a rape victim with rape! Talk about twisted -- clipping to Enraged!!

What's up with that cop who ran up and kicked the rear of the car? He was pretty clearly in a rage already.

Well, think about it, when you have judges, juries justifying murder, abuse against citizens, like the recent case in New York, where a black man was shot 50 times, and was not a threat, and the judge, or as always, a white jury sends the KKK signal to the Police that they can carry on any illegal murder, without fear. Screw the class and racist character of the class laws, racist laws, double standards, racist standards of White and class, as well as its fearful middle class Nazis.

By the way, I am highly critical of the corporate media and its paid ideological class agents. But in this case, the fact that they are keeping their class mouth, ideology shut, and only showing through video what is taking place does justice to reality. Thank you AP writers for doing something right for a change.

Screw the class and racist character of the class laws, racist laws, double standards, racist standards of White and class, as well as its fearful middle class Nazis.

I'm not quite sure I can even begin to make since of this sentence. Nor how we have racist laws... I guess I can see how a jury, if the entire jury was racist, could make a racist decision but that's highly doubtful.

And can you provide a source for news about a man being shot 50 times in NY.

And singling out a race as racist... isn't that racist?

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I can understand where your coming from, but just jibbering off at the mouth about hate, and making absurd remarks about ALL whites giving KKK signals to police can't help but further widen the racial gaps in our country. Let's try being constructive.

That was pretty tough to watch. Those guys looked more like a wild pack of dogs attacking, not humans.

@Skal

Black Man Shot 50 Times

Tedd:

Ya clearly this is a case of police taking the law into their own hands. I sympathize with police on a lot of things (salary, working conditions, the people they have to deal with, ect.) but this is a clear cut case of police abusing their power.

No doubt they'll be prosecuted, especially with such clear evidence.

Thank's Tedd for the link. Terrible, absolutely terrible.

Yeah that was a horrible case, I could not believe it when it first came out.

And can you provide a source for news about a man being shot 50 times in NY.

His name was Sean Bell, also don't forget Amadou Dialo, I think that's how it's spelled. He was shot about 48 times while trying to present his id to the nypd.

Amadou Diallo

Now we are even.....:-)

Thanks Tedd. :)

I think I owed you just a few....

I'm clipping to the thin blue line.

A gun shot was heard in the area according to the article. That seems the reason they stopped and attacked them -- not a legal reason in my book. Stories so far don't mention anything about a gun on one of the suspects or in the car.

Philadelphia:.Nickname: "City of Brotherly Love", "The City that Loves you Back", "Cradle of Liberty"

For some reason, those just don't seem to fit this story real well......

I agree 100%. I just want to be clear that serious force is often needed to apprehend dangerous suspects. But you are absolutely correct about once the men are on the ground. They are helpless at that point and should not be subjected to repeated kicking and striking with batons. Please don't think that I condone what happened, I am just saying that sometimes serious force is required. This went beyond that necessity here.

I work with the Chicago Police a lot. I have encountered some of the most brutal and dangerous criminals in the entire city. When they are dealing with a shooting or man with a gun call they use all precautions necessary and don't take any chances. That doesn't mean they beat the living daylights out of the guy once they get him to the ground though.

I don't want this to turn into a "cops are all crooks" fest. That is all.

I just want to be clear that serious force is often needed to apprehend dangerous suspects.

I saw no evidence, from that video, that these men were presenting any danger whatsoever to these officers. Additionally, I saw no evidence of any attempt by the cops to treat this as anything other than a gangbang with badges. Unless it turns out that these men had a nuclear device in that car or something I think all of these officers should be fired, charged and locked up.

Of course what will actually happen is that some cop-loving judge will let them off and then the victims of this riot will sue the city and the police. It's a shame all those cops won't get to spend some serious time in prison where they belong.

Every time you are approaching a suspect in a man with a gun or shooting call you are dealing with a dangerous suspect. The cops don't know if this is the guy who did the shooting and what he did the shooting with. I think that serious force was necessary in this case, but it was no longer necessary once the suspects were out of the car and on the ground.

These men in blue put their lives on the line every day to try to keep citizens safe, we should at least try to understand the situtation they are in before we say they shouldn't use any force whatsoever unless they know for certain they are dealing with the shooter, that is a bad policy and would cause cops to get killed.

I don't see news saying the police suspected them of anything. They did not even investigate the reported shooting. The AP article says law-enforcement officers made a "traffic stop," apparently on their way to investigate a report.

P.S. "reported shooting" should say "reported shot fired" because the reporting mentions a call about someone hearing a gun shot only, not a shooting. It could have been a fire cracker.

I think that serious force was necessary in this case, but it was no longer necessary once the suspects were out of the car and on the ground.

I saw no evidence that force was necessary. I saw bunch a of out-of-control cops dragging people out of a car and beating and stomping them.

The guys were on the ground subdued by three cops each when the guy kicked them.

None of you know what the cops were responding to. They executed a traffic stop in order to investigate a shooting. If the driver gave the cop a hassle upon being stopped the cop has to assume he has a gun. That is all I'm saying, I heard they were responding to a report of a man with a gun. All I am saying is that when cops are responding to a man with a gun call, or shots fired call, and they suspect this is the guy then serious force is called for if the suspect is not cooperative. We don't know what happened before the camera started rolling, they had the street blocked off for some reason, and it looks to me like the driver did not respond quickly to the first officer's order to exit the vehicle, that's what it looks like to me.

Once he is out and on the ground serious force is no longer necessary. It is a fine line guys. That is what I am saying, these cops crossed the line, not from the beginning of the encounter, but once the suspects were on the ground helpless, that's all I am saying.

I agree this is police brutality, I just don't agree that it was police brutality from the moment the cops arrived at the car, it wasn't until they beat the men once they were on the ground helpless that it became police brutality.

Well, I disagree. I think that there were at least 5 seconds between the time the cops got to the car and they got the guy out of the car. Before they got to the car they had guns drawn and undoubtedly were yelling to the driver and passengers to get out of the car, that would add another 10-15 seconds. They driver and passengers, by my count using a stop watch, had at least 20 seconds to react to cops with guns drawn ordering them out of the car before the cops actually pulled them from the car.

20 seconds is plenty of time to get out and on the ground as ordered. We don't know what happened before the camera starts rolling or why the cops had blocked that road. Maybe there was a chase and that is why they had the road blocked off. My point is that we are all working with very little facts and to assume that no force was necessary at all is naive.

I suppose if one were used to being yelled at by multiple people while having a dozen guns drawn and pointed at you then one might, in much less than 1/2 a min. launch them self through the car window and sprawl bonelessly on the pavement offering not an ounce of resistance.

Of course, not all of us are that quick, supple and responsive. For those people there's always being yanked out on the pavement and then being kicked and stomped within an inch our lives.

The cops are notorious for giving very conflicting commands when they are on adrenaline. There are many times where a guy was on his stomach being tasered for not "get on your back" when the officer wanted him on his stomach where he was.

I used to be a cop. I was witness to many things like this just not this blatant. I pulled the sheriff off a handcuffed prisoner in the ER one night. I was invited to leave the force soon after that.

It wouldn't take me 20 seconds to figure out they want me out of the car and on the ground. That is a long time:

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You are telling me you can't get out of a car and on the ground in that amount of time? A jury would disagree.

The cops in NY were shooting and reloading for 30 seconds, so they didn't have enough time to stop shooting either? That is plenty of time to do just about anything, especially unbuckle seatbelt (if they were wearing one, doubtful), open the door and get on the ground. Not hard to comply with that order in 5 seconds.

It wouldn't take me 20 seconds to figure out they want me out of the car and on the ground

I doubt that, but I sincerely hope you never wind up in that circumstance. For one thing, a quick move toward anything where the hands go out of sight is an invitation to be shot 50 times in that particular situation.

The pigs who murdered Sean Bell didn't trust a jury to let them get away with it. They only trusted one of their buddy-buddy judges. I doubt a jury would let these guys go. Remember, Rodney King's attackers served time.

As I recall (without google), Stacey Koontz did some time, the rest got a token sentence and community service or probation or something. LA got hit with a huge lawsuit and Rodney got a shiny new wheel chair. I could be wrong, it's been a while.

If cops are yelling at me to get out of the car with guns drawn I am moving out of there quick. If I get shot because of it that would be a shame. I want to be really clear, I am not condoning what these cops did. I am only saying that we are not privy to all the facts surrounding the incident and we are making assumptions. I stick by my statements as to what should be expected of cops when they are dealing with what they reasonably believe to be an armed and dangerous suspect. Until the guy is on the ground and getting kicked and beaten there was nothing wrong with how this went down, IMO.

If it comes out via recordings that the cops did not order them out and they simply walked up to the car bashed out some windows and pulled the three men out of there and then proceeded to beat them then that is absolutely unacceptable. However, if they ordered the guy out, from 15 ft away and he did not comply, and he continued not to comply when they got to the driver's door then he had to be taken out of the car with force. What happened after that, either way, is unacceptable.

I just watched the entire video again, twice. There was no 20 sec interval or anything like it. The car stopped, the police ran up, jerked the doors open and started beating on everyone in the car. Take a look at it again.

The cops in the Rodney King case were acquitted in the criminal trial. That is why the riot ensued. They were later tried on Federal Civil Rights charges which resulted in the convictions.

You have to time it from the time the cops in the car that blocked the street got out of their car. Undoubtedly they were ordering the occupants out.

You have to time it from the time the cops in the car that blocked the street got out of their car. Undoubtedly they were ordering the occupants out.

Oh I see, and with helicopter noises, sirens, flashing lights, all that distraction you think they could hear someone who is 40 ft away yelling from outside the car when they're inside. Pretty thin, they feared (rightly) for their lives. Sudden moves and police with guns equals being shot to ribbons. There was no chance of voluntarily leaving that car. This whole thing was a screw up, every one of those cops was a loose cannon and no one was in control. It was a police riot.

We just disagree with when the riot started. I don't think anything was wrong with how the suspects were dealt with prior to them being on the ground and detained by 2-3 cops each. Once they are on the ground and are being beaten that is when the riot began, IMO.

I bet they could hear the cops, and I don't think they were 40 ft away, but either way, even if you count from the moment the first cop got to the driver's door, at least 8 seconds went by before the guy was out of the car. I used a stop watch to time it, as I stated above.

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And you will be shot by one of those police, going down in a blaze of stupidity rather than glory.

Its never stupid for men to live and die like men. Death is a friend waiting to pay me a visit. I don't have a problem trading out my life for the respect I want my children to have in their own country. Strength and Honor Black Man! Get up off of the ground being kicked like dogs and fight
for your lives and liberty like MEN!

You sound like you'd fit nicely into one of those police uniforms we witnessed in that video.

15.3:

You talking to me?

You talking to me?

I think he means Onelam

I can be worst than any of those beast in blue on that video and so can a couple million other black men that are sick and tired of being sick and tired.

I can be worst than any of those beast in blue on that video and so can a couple million other black men that are sick and tired of being sick and tired.

I don't think the numbers of black men who would resort to this type of barbaric behavior are quite as high as your figure. As for those that are this bad, well, fortunately for the rest of us, they are either in prison or soon to be dead.

I disagree with you. I believe that thousands of black men in cities all across this nation have assessed the extreme levels of police murder, brutality and sadistic behavior as well as the apathetic response from the justice system and already decided to form large "City Militias" for the protection of themselves and the families that they love. In fact membership drives are underway, training in basic urban warfare is going well and leadership is looking forward to it's second graduating class of advanced urban warfare. There will be a proactive and what we consider law abiding response to criminal activity in the black community. If we were to find 15 armed black men kicking the dog crap out of three unarmed white men in the community, we would stop it under the threat of fatal force if need be and see that the perps were handed over to the law. We have no problem facing community police engaged in criminal acts in like manner. You can't commit a rape in front of me just because you have a badge, a gun and a judge on the bench. Thats all I'm saying. I'm anti-barbaric and armed to the teeth.

PEACE BROTHER. The only Black City Militias I know of here in Chicago are GANGS. And they are interested in nothing more than maintaining their dope spots, keeping them free from rival gangs. Gangster Disciples, Black P Stones, Latin Kings, Spanish Cobras, Vice Lords, they are the only Militias I know of and they do a pretty good job of killing each other, not protecting each other from cops. They kill each other faster than they can be prosecuted. These groups are not interested in keeping police brutality at bay, they are interested in the almighty dollar.

Thank you for recognizing the need Double Demon. Stay tuned.

Who says these were black guys?!? I've been abused by cops before too. I dunno. I guess it could be racial as I'm reading Black Sexual Politics by Patricia Hill Collins a Black woman who also capitalizes black and white racial categories where references indicate otherwise, and she calls the "new racism" being color blind.