Bush calls new attack on US his worst worry

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WASHINGTON — President Bush said Tuesday he was disappointed in "flawed intelligence" before the Iraq war and was concerned that if a Democrat wins the presidency in November and withdrew troops prematurely it could "eventually lead to another attack on the United States."

In an interview with the political newspaper Politico and Yahoo News, Bush also said he gave up golf in 2003 out of respect for U.S. soldiers killed in the war, which has now lasted more than five years.

"I didn't want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the commander in chief playing golf," he said. "I feel I owe it to the families to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."

Bush said he made his decision after the August 2003 bombing of the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad.

A question submitted from the online audience asked Bush whether he felt he had been misled about Iraq as he made the decision to go to war.

"`Misled' is a strong word," he said. "Not only our intelligence community, but intelligence communities all across the world shared the same assessment. And so I was disappointed to see how flawed our intelligence was."

"Do I think somebody lied to me? No, I don't. I think it was just, you know, they analyzed the situation and came up with the wrong conclusion," he added.

He acknowledged concerns about leaving the unfinished Iraq war to a Democratic successor. Both Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton have said they will bring troops home if elected.

Bush said his "doomsday scenario of course is that extremists throughout the Middle East would be emboldened, which would eventually lead to another attack on the United States."

Also in the interview to an online audience, Bush:

_Said more is known about global warming than when he first took office in 2001. Asked if it was real, Bush said, "Yes, it is real, sure is." Still, he defended his opposition to the Kyoto treaty on climate change. "I could have supported a lousy treaty and everybody would have went, `Oh, man, what a wonderful-sounding fellow he is. But it just wouldn't have worked."

— Criticized the Democratic-led Congress, claiming it had dragged its feet on trade, on renewing surveillance powers and failing to respond appropriately to the housing crisis. "And so I would call them stalled. I would call them, so far, good at verbiage and not so good at results."

_Said his Christian faith increased while in office, saying he sought to understand his weaknesses, better himself "and get closer to the Lord."

_Criticized former President Carter for advocating what he called a "blame-Israel-for-every-problem" mentality to the Middle East.

_Said he sympathized with the two candidates in the long-running Democratic primary race. "I feel like this primary has been a long, hard campaign. I remember what it was like in 2000, and I was exhausted. And my primary ended pretty quickly, compared to this one. And so I — both those candidates have got to be just worn out. They haven't had time to get their feet on the ground or rest."

_Said he was not concerned about an ugly conversation about race if Obama wins the Democratic nomination. "I think most Americans are open-minded people, and they're going to pick the president who can keep America safe and keep taxes low. And so I think — my own judgment is, is that race will only enter in if it's provoked by the press."

— Said he would return to using e-mail after he leaves office, saying he gave it up to avoid leaks. He said he looks forward to "e-mailing to my buddies. I can remember as governor I stayed in touch with all kinds of people around the country, firing off e-mails at all times of the day to stay in touch with my pals."

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{"commentId":1797030,"authorDomain":"Jivatmanx"}

Sorry Bush, the only flawed intelligence is located between your ears .

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  • 34 votes
Reply#1 - Tue May 13, 2008 7:32 PM EDT
{"commentId":1797543,"authorDomain":"Jcpas"}

Disappointed? He's DISAPPOINTED. No... you get disappointed when you miss a train, or don't win the lottery, or lose five dollars, or your team loses. When you go to WAR for the wrong reasons and thousands die you get PISSED OFF and hopefully deal out some vengeful punishment, but you not get 'disappointed.'

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  • 23 votes
#1.1 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:24 PM EDT
{"commentId":1797587,"authorDomain":"eriktheread"}

to take notice of, to regret, to be disappointed, to register, to object to, to take to heart, to be seriously concerned about, to be mindful of, have cause to worry about... It goes on and on like this. They probably have a special dictionary that explain the ramifications of each expression: "The Statesman and Diplomat All-Purpose Dictionary of Timely Prose"

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  • 9 votes
#1.2 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:41 PM EDT
{"commentId":1797958,"authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}

Jivatman...you are one funny guy. I couldn't have said it better myself. 'The only flawed intelligence is between his ears...'

Our current President is quite out of touch with reality, of course. Most Americans are more worried about how they are going to feed their families with rising food prices, fill their gas tanks and get to work, pay their mortgages.

Stuff like that.

The strangest thing I've ever seen Bush do was this: A few weeks ago, he was leaving the White House and some reporters got a couple of quick questions in to him as he passed. One was this:

'Mr President, does the White House have any plans to address the rising cost of fuel?'

Bush: 'What? I hadn't heard about that...'

You know, this is REALLY depressing when you hear your President say something like that. All you can do is hang your head and go 'Geez..what in the friggin' world is next..'

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  • 10 votes
#1.3 - Wed May 14, 2008 1:20 AM EDT
{"commentId":1801630,"authorDomain":"jumpstone"}
Sorry Bush, the only flawed intelligence is located between your ears

I have to disagree. Cheney is not flawed intelligence. He's evil.

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  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Wed May 14, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
{"commentId":1802116,"authorDomain":"incredulous"}

Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

Bush: 'What? I hadn't heard about that...'

And people vote up this comment? Jeez, you people are gullible. No, I will bet anything you want to put up that Bush did not say he had not heard the cost of gasoline had gone up. Where do you get this stuff from?

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  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Thu May 15, 2008 4:17 AM EDT
{"commentId":1802138,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}

TIO:
My money's on Blevins... he doesn't post unreliable stuff that often (1 out of 100 times) so I consider the best a safe one.

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  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Thu May 15, 2008 4:42 AM EDT
{"commentId":1804612,"authorDomain":"incredulous"}

Scott, the idea is entirely implausible that Bush doesn't (or didn't) know fuel costs are rising. Ok, that's my assumption i.e. bias. So without even seeing the "proof", if those words were actually said, they were most likely said in jest, or someone asked another quick question right after like: "is it true Laura is divorcing you", and with wires crossed, he said what he said. In the absence of a link, imo, this one does not belong in a collection of stupid things Bush said. It's ridiculous.

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  • 1 vote
#1.7 - Thu May 15, 2008 5:07 PM EDT
{"commentId":1804733,"authorDomain":"igorthetroll"}

He sounds like the Japanese ex Prime Minister Mori.

There was a summit in Okinawa. And he and President Clinton met.

Mori said to Clinton, "Hello how are you? I am Mr Mori"

Bill replied, "I am President Clinton, Hillary's husband!"

The dumb ass Japanese prime minister says, "Me Too!" LOL

In Japan they are taught to say "Hello how are you!" and the reply is, "I am fine, thank you! And you?" And the reply is "Me too!"

Well I hope you get the parable. Bush is a Robot! He is programmed by his handlers. More than that it is Bushism! Dumb talk!

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  • 2 votes
#1.8 - Thu May 15, 2008 5:33 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1797072,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}
President Bush said Tuesday he was disappointed in "flawed intelligence"

His flawed intelligence is a result of being dropped on his head as a baby, nothing to do with a democrat in the white house.

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  • 19 votes
Reply#2 - Tue May 13, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
{"commentId":1797614,"authorDomain":"igorthetroll"}

Wheel on Bush in a nutshell. LOL

Is there going to be a new American holiday?

"Bush left office day!"

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  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:50 PM EDT
{"commentId":1797641,"authorDomain":"Jcpas"}

I'd shoot a few fireworks, anyone else up for an early fourth of July? I'll bring the beer.

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  • 4 votes
#2.2 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:58 PM EDT
{"commentId":1797983,"authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}

Backwards Bush The site where you can pick up those keychains and clocks that count backwards until Bush leaves office. I have the keychain, and I bought the tear-off calendar last Christmas from Fred Meyer. According to good reports, that Backwards Bush site has already sold more than 250,000 items.

I hear some people saying they are worried that McCain might be able to win in November. Well, anything could happen. But I believe the 2008 voter backlash is coming on Election Day. It could be historic. Even fixing the voting machines and trying to cheat probably won't work this time...

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  • 7 votes
#2.3 - Wed May 14, 2008 1:33 AM EDT
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{"commentId":1797087,"authorDomain":"geejay"}

Ooooh, he gave up golf? Some sacrifice. He still found time to joke around about looking for WMDs and party it up quite often.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Cannot stand the man.

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  • 22 votes
Reply#3 - Tue May 13, 2008 7:49 PM EDT
{"commentId":1797483,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

Playing golf while men are dying in Iraq would be in bad taste, but playing air guitar while New Orleans drowns is okay, I guess. I notice he didn't give up biking despite the bereaved parents of dead soldiers camping outside his "ranch."

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  • 6 votes
#3.1 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
{"commentId":1797492,"authorDomain":"geejay"}

Maybe he's afraid he'll confuse Arlington for a golf course? Lots of green...

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  • 8 votes
#3.2 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:09 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1797099,"authorDomain":"carl-fordjr"}

here goes his tactics again...basing everything on fear

ur a loser bush...and its countdown time!!

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  • 9 votes
Reply#4 - Tue May 13, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
{"commentId":1803776,"authorDomain":"roybatty"}

There's a MONSTER under your BED you know.....

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  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Thu May 15, 2008 2:12 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1797119,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}

Off come the gloves for the general election. They'll be trying to scare the hell out of people to vote for McCain. Same as Bush did to Kerry.

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  • 15 votes
Reply#5 - Tue May 13, 2008 7:59 PM EDT
{"commentId":1797234,"authorDomain":"divbyzero"}

You can well bet that fear will be the major campaign component for the GOP. It is easier to make people scared to vote for the other candidate than it is to convince them that your policies and proposals are superior.

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  • 13 votes
#5.1 - Tue May 13, 2008 8:39 PM EDT
{"commentId":1797997,"authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}

Division by Zero says, in part:

'You can well bet that fear will be the major campaign component for the GOP.'

Yeah, but it probably won't work as well this time. People aren't afraid of terrorists this year. They're afraid they might lose their homes, not be able to afford to drive their cars, put food on the table, etc.

I wonder if they'll shut down Guantanamo before the end of his term.

From the article: (satire) 'The Five Basic Goals of the Iraq War Have Been Accomplished.'

'#4: Fidel Castro and the Cuban government don't seem so bad anymore.

We used to spend a lot of time hating Castro and the communists over the Cuban Missile Crisis. But now that we have the Guantanamo Bay Torture Center in place, we can put ourselves on an equal footing with the Bearded One. Admit it. It's a load off your mind...'

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  • 1 vote
#5.2 - Wed May 14, 2008 1:42 AM EDT
{"commentId":1798073,"authorDomain":"igorthetroll"}

Now we can hate Bush for 100 years! LOL

When is Bush the movie coming out?

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    #5.3 - Wed May 14, 2008 2:42 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1800862,"authorDomain":"bf-paine"}

    Exactly right Scott and Division by Zero. It's presidential election time and our friend in the Whitehouse-- that English-challenged, "The jury is still out on evolution", "decider" is playing the "be afraid, be very afraid" card again!

    Be afraid of another "teerrrst attack" and "we need to stay in Iraq or else" [the region will de-stabilize and] "yrrrr oil's go'n haaaaher"!

    It's the "Democrat party's" fault.

    Sheesh! As Ron White says in his comedy routine: "You can't fix stupid!"

    I could never get over the fact that "Duuuhhh 'Bya's" handlers haven't been able to grasp the reality that the best move for him is to simply not speak in public.

    "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - -- Abraham Lincoln
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    • 5 votes
    #5.4 - Wed May 14, 2008 6:14 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1802003,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}
    When is Bush the movie coming out?

    Igor

    It has actually been out for some time, they just are in the process of reprinting the title of it as the old title needs to have Bush inserted somehow into "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" I think Hillary will be the evil Nurse Ratched

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    • 6 votes
    #5.5 - Thu May 15, 2008 2:29 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1802075,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

    Well, how about this as a revised title?

    "One Flew Over Cheney's Fest"

    Hillary as the Nurse is perfect.

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    • 4 votes
    #5.6 - Thu May 15, 2008 3:24 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1802077,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

    Awesome, we just have a winner sold out box office movie in the works !

    Newsviners Make better Moviesยฉ

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    • 5 votes
    #5.7 - Thu May 15, 2008 3:27 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1803558,"authorDomain":"walketim"}

    Will Farrell as Obama.

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    • 2 votes
    #5.8 - Thu May 15, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1803571,"authorDomain":"walketim"}

    Owen Wilson as Hillary.

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    • 2 votes
    #5.9 - Thu May 15, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1803718,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

    Or Ann Coulter as Hillary

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    • 2 votes
    #5.10 - Thu May 15, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1804097,"authorDomain":"jumpstone"}

    Anyone know who Satan's agent is?

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    • 1 vote
    #5.11 - Thu May 15, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1804372,"authorDomain":"walketim"}

    Well, who is Ann Coulter's agent?

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    • 2 votes
    #5.12 - Thu May 15, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1804432,"authorDomain":"jumpstone"}

    Satan? Yes, of course, my bad. Think he'll do a cameo for Bush's movie or just produce it?

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    • 1 vote
    #5.13 - Thu May 15, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":1797143,"authorDomain":"freed"}

    Who picks these lame stories to be the headline on Newsvine? Usually they are the last thing I want to read and have few or no votes.

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    • 5 votes
    Reply#6 - Tue May 13, 2008 8:05 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1797400,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

    ap feed

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    • 5 votes
    #6.1 - Tue May 13, 2008 9:35 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1797434,"authorDomain":"nitewingsg1"}

    It's always fun to bash King George. As always with a republican, they run the country into the ground then blame the Democrat's.

    Democrat wins the presidency in November and withdrew troops prematurely it could "eventually lead to another attack on the United States."

    I'd pull every American out of the middle east, and let Israel blow the hell out of them, or give them equal weapons and let them settle it once and for all. If they attempt to attack America then nuke'em. I thought the reason for building nuke's was to use them.

    Said his Christian faith increased while in office, saying he sought to understand his weaknesses, better himself "and get closer to the Lord."

    so, what he is saying this was a Holy War ? or his weakness is just being good old everyday stupid ? I seen on the news this evening he got a photo opt, with his Saudi Brothers. Making that oil money. He's put the country in the spot of either @!$%#, or get off the pot. He started a war that will last a 100 years the way he's playing it.

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    • 2 votes
    #6.2 - Tue May 13, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1797999,"authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}

    Lotto says, in part:

    'I thought the reason for building nuke's was to use them.'

    I know you say this only out of frustration. Perfectly understandable. Of course, the reality is that if people start shooting off nukes, everyone is in big trouble. Remember: Russia still has a nuclear arsenal, too. And the Middle East are their next-door neighbors.

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    • 4 votes
    #6.3 - Wed May 14, 2008 1:45 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1799311,"authorDomain":"nitewingsg1"}

    It is, more mocking Bush than anything else. It is frustration to see what Bush has done in his administration, and it is tiring listen to his same old scare tactics. I just dislike the guy.

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      #6.4 - Wed May 14, 2008 12:04 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":1797203,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

      Allow me to edit the first part of this article. Trust me, I am an editor in my other life.

      "President Bush said Tuesday he was disappointed in "flawed intelligence" before the Iraq war and was concerned how he was going to find the money from a country that he has now bankrupt to pay for his war crimes trial in the Hague, repay his debt to his country and the world, compensate victims of his war on all sides amonst a myriad of other claims. He should be seriously concerned. But hey, here's the flipside. When the future writes this chapter in mankind's history, it will be very easy to explain to students what evil looks like."

      I haven't bothered to read the whole article. Unfortunately, this idiot has had that effect on me since a bad dream a few years. My bad. So please slot the above in wherever it best fits. It probably best acts as a total replacement of the whole piece.

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      • 13 votes
      Reply#7 - Tue May 13, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1797213,"authorDomain":"danireland"}
      President Bush said Tuesday he was disappointed in "flawed intelligence" before the Iraq war and was concerned that if a Democrat wins the presidency in November and withdrew troops prematurely it could "eventually lead to another attack on the United States."

      And if a Republican wins the presidency in November it could eventually lead to another unjust war.

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      • 8 votes
      Reply#8 - Tue May 13, 2008 8:31 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1797298,"authorDomain":"listenup"}
      it could "eventually lead to another attack on the United States."

      He's all ready planning it.

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      • 7 votes
      #8.1 - Tue May 13, 2008 9:01 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":1797216,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}

      "I systematically corrupted my own intelligence services to ensure they gave me the answers I wanted on Iraq. They've learnt better, and are resisting this process for Iran. Nevertheless I'm going to wave happily from my helicopter and blame them for the disasters I caused."

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      • 14 votes
      Reply#9 - Tue May 13, 2008 8:32 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1797405,"authorDomain":"luckydog"}

      I distinctly remember Bush being asked about the quality of his intelligence early on and he said (from my memory) "I have good intelligence". I wonder at what point he decided it was bad? Where are the investigations into why it was bad? He gave Tenet the Freedom medal for what again? Providing faulty intelligence? I don't see him apologizing to the people whose careers he or his minions ruined when they didn't tell him what he wanted to hear.

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      • 11 votes
      #9.1 - Tue May 13, 2008 9:35 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1797489,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

      But they left out an important step. They gave him the answers he wanted to hear, yes, but they forgot to plant the weapons for our troops to "find."

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      • 5 votes
      #9.2 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":1797231,"authorDomain":"njb"}

      Wait...he just NOW says this? And he wonders why we don't like him?

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      • 7 votes
      Reply#10 - Tue May 13, 2008 8:38 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1797418,"authorDomain":"bondibox"}

      He's relying on our short memories in that he'll be able to do an about face during his last 6 months and change the record. Admitting to flawed intelligence and global warming? He's trying to create a new persona. On paper he can be the guy who came around by the end of his term, in reality he'll never change his tune. Bogus Intelligence was "stovepiped" and he still sides with the likes of the AEI.

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      • 7 votes
      #10.1 - Tue May 13, 2008 9:42 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1797505,"authorDomain":"njb"}

      I dealt with the bone head as the gov of Texas. I never did understand how he drove us bankrupt in his 1st 3 years and got re-elected.

      Breathing Toxic waste and drinking Kool-aide? Somethings you just have to be God to understand.

      Misery loves company. At least we all got hosed together.

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      • 5 votes
      #10.2 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:12 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1799367,"authorDomain":"luckydog"}

      As this is an admission that the Iraq war was based on faulty intelligence I wonder if the conservatives who for years have justified and defended that intelligence as being correct will finally admit they were wrong too since they have just had the ground (shaky as it was) cut out from under them? They are noticeably absent from this thread.

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      • 2 votes
      #10.3 - Wed May 14, 2008 12:16 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":1797324,"authorDomain":"sirmonkey"}

      Question for the Bush haters: How did Obama know that Curveball was bogus?

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      • 2 votes
      Reply#11 - Tue May 13, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1797356,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}

      Several intelligence sources believed he was bogus. I doubt Obama knew. That makes his opposition to the war even more intelligent since he made the right decision without all the facts.

      {"commentId":1797356,"threadId":"264019","contentId":"1486589","authorDomain":"isaacs"}
      • 9 votes
      #11.1 - Tue May 13, 2008 9:20 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1797433,"authorDomain":"bondibox"}

      Sirmonkey, I knew the intelligence was a curveball. When he said the yellowcake fib during the SOTU, my bull@!$%# meter was in the red. It was obvious, because as soon as money was appropriated to fight the war in Afghanistan, he was spending that money staging a war in Iraq. The AUMF hadn't even passed yet, but he was already going into it full throttle.

      The only reason why someone would have voted for the war based on that intelligence is because they were afraid of GOP propaganda against them appearing weak. Bush yanked the chains, and the morons jumped.

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      • 18 votes
      #11.2 - Tue May 13, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1797609,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}

      This is exactly right, bondibox.

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      • 4 votes
      #11.3 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:49 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1798106,"authorDomain":"sirmonkey"}

      How did Bush get the BND to shelter Curveball from direct DIA interrogation? This shall be interesting to hear...

      Several intelligence sources believed he was bogus.

      I would appreciate sourcing on this.

      I doubt Obama knew. That makes his opposition to the war even more intelligent since he made the right decision without all the facts.

      Let me just bask in the glow of such brilliance then... ;) Surly a man is incredibly talented, if he makes the "right decision" without key facts! This is a gem! ;)

      I would appreciate comment on this "Bush conspiracy" and this appraisal of humanitarian issues.

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      • 4 votes
      #11.4 - Wed May 14, 2008 3:12 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1800042,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

      Sirmonkey, you didn't need ESP to be very skeptical of the sudden hype and hysteria about Saddam Hussein in 2002. I suspect that a lot of Senators and Congressmen who voted for the war didn't really believe it either, but were too chickesh!t about being called "anti-American" to oppose it.

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      • 3 votes
      #11.5 - Wed May 14, 2008 2:43 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1801251,"authorDomain":"sirmonkey"}

      Regarding "sudden hype" it would seem that you're ignoring my link above to Clinton contributions. However, there was absolutely no secret that we were making a case for war. This explains the "sudden hype" does it not? Why is it necessary to assign nefarious intent in order to make your argument? And it is odd how cold a shoulder people turn to humanitarian aspects as well. Any comment on Samantha Power's descriptions of Saddam?

      What of the BND in regards to their refusal to offer up Curveball for direct interrogation? Was this a ruse, a mistake, a conspiracy? What is your assertion, exactly? Is the entire case for war based on this single issue?

      What of links to EIJ and al Zawahiri, suicide bombers, and other terrorist activities? Are these all discredited?

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      • 2 votes
      #11.6 - Wed May 14, 2008 8:40 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1801421,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

      Sirmonkey, it certainly was not a secret that we were making the case for war. Or, as the Downing Street memo said, that the intelligence was being fixed around that determination. The entire case for war, as you might recall, has now been totally debunked. We went in without justification, based on claims of nonexistent dangers.

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      • 4 votes
      #11.7 - Wed May 14, 2008 9:38 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1802018,"authorDomain":"isaacs"}

      SM:
      Read Cobra II: The Inside Story of the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq by Gen. Bernard Trainor and Michael Gordon. It's the best chronicle of the war that I've read so far.

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      • 3 votes
      #11.8 - Thu May 15, 2008 2:37 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1811022,"authorDomain":"sirmonkey"}
      The entire case for war, as you might recall, has now been totally debunked.

      This is a very broad statement. I do not find it reasonable. Instead, just answer my simple questions about Curveball and the BND... Address recent reports about EIJ & Zawahiri, as well as other activities that have really never been disputed such as funding of suicide bombers, etc.

      Does the Downing Street memo detail complicity of the BND? If so, perhaps you are addressing my question. Personally, I thought war was iminent in '98 or '99 (and it is interesting that Saddam saw it as one long war, not two... something that is quite accurate, right?). But that was just the "vibe" that I got. Any comment on Clinton's statement? On Ms. Power's? Is this a 2 way conversation??? ;)

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      • 2 votes
      #11.9 - Fri May 16, 2008 10:51 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1811053,"authorDomain":"bf-paine"}

      I hear you simonkey! Question: What's your take on Global Warming and Intelligent Design?

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      • 1 vote
      #11.10 - Fri May 16, 2008 10:59 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1811894,"authorDomain":"sirmonkey"}
      I hear you simonkey! Question: What's your take on Global Warming and Intelligent Design?

      They're fascinating topics, of course.

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      • 2 votes
      #11.11 - Sat May 17, 2008 4:21 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1816253,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

      Sirmonkey, if you thought war was imminent in '98 or '99, it's because the neocons were screaming for it, not because Saddam Hussein had given us any cause to invade. Unluckily for him, a terrorist group with no connection to him or liking for his secular government did give us a pretext, along with some heavily doctored intelligence about WMD that turned out not to exist. But not one of our claims for why we should invade has held up to the facts that came to light after the invasion, especially not our claim that we could transform Iraq into a peaceful democracy.

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      • 3 votes
      #11.12 - Sun May 18, 2008 9:14 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1816629,"authorDomain":"luckydog"}

      We have transformed Iraq into a place where Americans go to get killed or wounded while expending enormous amounts of American national treasure and bolstering terrorist movements everywhere.
      4 more years of Bush like rule is my worst nightmare.

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      • 6 votes
      #11.13 - Sun May 18, 2008 11:43 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1816918,"authorDomain":"jumpstone"}
      4 more years of Bush like rule is my worst nightmare.

      It's the world's worst. We are Native Americans Gaians.

      "Hoka Hey!"

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      • 3 votes
      #11.14 - Mon May 19, 2008 3:41 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1829188,"authorDomain":"sirmonkey"}

      @11.14: And this analogy would make Obama "Chief Red Cloud"? ;)

      Still waiting patiently for explanation regarding the BND and Curveball... and some comment on the humanitarian aspects such as Ms. Power addresses... and on the link to EIJ & Zawahiri...

      @11.12: As for this being an invention of neocons, which is the standard propaganda nowadays I suppose, let's examine the words of a few people (please read all these), and this for example:

      "In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now - a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers, or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed. If we fail to respond today, Saddam, and all those who would follow in his footsteps, will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council, and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program." President Bill Clinton - Remarks at the Pentagon , February 17, 1998

      Please, show more respect to history and reality. The dispute was over whether war was the appropriate way to proceed, not whether there was a potent threat. Don't be revisionistas, there is room for reasonable people to disagree about proper course of action without pretending there was no threat.

      An alternate source of Clinton quotes (the link above in #11.4 is broken for now)... and there's this snopes topic too.

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      • 2 votes
      #11.15 - Thu May 22, 2008 2:16 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1829601,"authorDomain":"jumpstone"}
      @11.14: And this analogy would make Obama "Chief Red Cloud"? ;)

      I'm off the opinion that anyone who gets so much MSM coverage is either St. O'Rourke or Sitting Duck. Throw onto that all the APAC, Trilateral Commission and CFR pow-wows and it seems we have an "actual" Broken Arrow .

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      • 1 vote
      #11.16 - Thu May 22, 2008 8:19 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1832175,"authorDomain":"sirmonkey"}

      @11.16: He he he. Broken arrow! Perhaps. Not sure which connotation... "Public hazard, actual or implied."!?! And despite all their antics and shenanigans, F-Troop did always find resolution to the issues at hand ;)

      Regarding the 98-99 "era" (which is of course not a distinct era, but just a piece of our entire history)... let's enjoy a flashback in a couple regards:

      Item #4 of the Indictment against Bin Laden was interesting:

      4. Al Qaeda also forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in the Sudan and with the government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezballah for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies in the West, particularly the United States. In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq.

      Also note indirect chains and current analysis from documents captured post war in Iraq. Particularly note the EIJ and al Zawahiri links (recall EIJ merged into aQ & Zawahiri is considered aQ's #2).

      And articles such as this were commonplace, were they not?:

      The Guardian, Saturday February 6 1999

      Saddam Hussein's regime has opened talks with Osama bin Laden, bringing closer the threat of a terrorist attack using chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, according to US intelligence sources and Iraqi opposition officials.

      The key meeting took place in the Afghan mountains near Kandahar in late December. The Iraqi delegation was led by Farouk Hijazi, Baghdad's ambassador in Turkey and one of Saddam's most powerful secret policemen, who is thought to have offered Bin Laden asylum in Iraq.

      There were statements like this from Clinton (1998), as well as a house resolution signed in to law regarding Iraqi Liberation. Here's an interesting news report from 1999.

      And these events and statements mark the beginning of the global war on terror IMO (pre catchphrase):

      The President noted that "the most powerful weapon in our counter-terrorism arsenal is our determination to never give up. In recent years we have captured major terrorists in the far corners of the world and brought them to America to answer for their crimes, sometimes years after they were committed."

      He also stressed that "to pull back our diplomats and troops from the world's trouble spots; to turn our backs on those taking risks for peace; to weaken our opposition to terrorism would give terrorism a victory it must not and will not have."

      Well said. Just as true today.

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        #11.17 - Thu May 22, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":1797374,"authorDomain":"barry-rutherford"}

        George W. Bush should have kept playing golf instead of playing selfish politics with the world....

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        • 9 votes
        Reply#12 - Tue May 13, 2008 9:25 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1797395,"authorDomain":"eriktheread"}

        He is trying again to link Iraq to an attack on the United States, by which I assume he means 9-11, or maybe Pearl Harbour? The links in both cases are equally tenuous. Just goes to show that this man can't stop lying. He is trying to use the false link to Al Qaeda to justify continued war. Like the queen of hearts said: "Off with his head".

        But believing that this man is a fool is America's big mistake. The image gives him a great deal of lea-way. He is not judged or condemned quickly enough for saying totally incomprehensible and stupid things. In stead is aphorisms are corrected and interpreted as the media sees fit. (Example: he has twice said that Iran should not have the knowledge of how to make nuclear weapons). Any school child can acquire that knowledge.

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        • 9 votes
        Reply#13 - Tue May 13, 2008 9:34 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1797415,"authorDomain":"luckydog"}

        And we are supposed to trust the same intelligence sources that failed us on 9-11, that failed us into a bogus war with Iraq,that failed to predict an insurgency or it's scope, that have failed to track down Bin Laden or the leaders of the Taliban, when they tell us all these scary stories about Iran? I don't think so.

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        • 9 votes
        #13.1 - Tue May 13, 2008 9:39 PM EDT
        Reply
        {"commentId":1797408,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

        he dropped golf because of the

        George W. Bush: I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. Thank you.
        [George W. Bush brandishes a golf club]
        George W. Bush: Now, watch this drive.

        video that was in ferenheit

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        • 11 votes
        Reply#14 - Tue May 13, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1797432,"authorDomain":"DanLS"}

        I.... I.... I... um... I don't even know where to start with this...

        Bush disappointed with intel before Iraq war!?

        Is he serious!!!?

        Does anyone believe this @!$%#?

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        • 7 votes
        Reply#15 - Tue May 13, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1797595,"authorDomain":"JStranahan"}
        Bush disappointed with intel before Iraq war!?

        It's the story Cheney told him.

        "Er...ah..somebody's gotta tell Sparky that it was all the CIA's fault, you know, to cover our asses?" Rummy?"
        "Good golly Dick, not me"
        "Condi? How 'bout you?"
        "No siree, Laura gets pissed if I talk to him too much"
        "Aw hell, I guess Darth gets the job again. I hate workn' the dark side all the time"

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        • 5 votes
        #15.1 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
        Reply
        {"commentId":1797440,"authorDomain":"Jivatmanx"}

        This isn't about intelligence. It's about good people and bad people.

        Remember the NIE report that Iran is not a nuclear threat? Though few, there are perhaps some good people in the govt after all.

        I suppose the government is only mostly, not completely, controlled by the aristocracy.

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        • 7 votes
        Reply#16 - Tue May 13, 2008 9:51 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1797476,"authorDomain":"coll-env"}

        Georgie "BOY" Bush is Americas Weapon of Mass Destruction !!!
        I know that at least 75% of the American citizenry cannot wait till Jan Ist. so all the venom will be gone from the White House !! How long will it take to clean out the hog wash ,lies and deceit out of the oval office ??

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        • 6 votes
        Reply#17 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1797502,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

        Remember how when Bush took office, he made a great, public point of having the Oval Office steam-cleaned, and making sure the press heard about it? The obvious implication was that he was cleaning up after that awful Clinton, and that this was his first step in "restoring honor and dignity etc etc " When he leaves, the entire building should be fumigated.

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        • 5 votes
        #17.1 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:12 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1797510,"authorDomain":"geejay"}
        When he leaves, the entire building should be fumigated.

        Hee...Obama could tent the White House for a day....

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        • 4 votes
        #17.2 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:14 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1797977,"authorDomain":"luckydog"}

        It's the other kind of "bugs" that Obama will have to worry about. The Neo-cons will be out with their long knives...

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        • 3 votes
        #17.3 - Wed May 14, 2008 1:29 AM EDT
        {"commentId":1798008,"authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}

        Ken and Liz Collins ask:

        "How long will it take to clean out the hog wash ,lies and deceit out of the oval office ??"

        As long as it takes for the new President to hire the incoming staff and appoint the Cabinet.

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        • 5 votes
        #17.4 - Wed May 14, 2008 1:49 AM EDT
        {"commentId":1801337,"authorDomain":"barry-rutherford"}

        Maybe a name change too might be in order.

        soemthing like:- The House- for all Americans ? No ?

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        • 3 votes
        #17.5 - Wed May 14, 2008 9:13 PM EDT
        Reply
        {"commentId":1797482,"authorDomain":"winsomecowboy"}

        I blame intelligence.

        well to be honest I blame Bush but the other one was funnier.

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        • 6 votes
        Reply#18 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1797528,"authorDomain":"walketim"}

        George, this happened on your watch dude. Your watch. Your intelligence. Do you really think the American people are that stupid. Crap George, you were TOLD ON TV WHEN WHO AND HOW. Missed that one, eh? Well, we didn't. Further, if we're attacked again, it will be your fault too...can't go around napalming babies and expect people to just forget it.

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        • 5 votes
        Reply#19 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:19 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1797537,"authorDomain":"igorthetroll"}

        Bush being Bush! Ha, ha! I can see Bush Twitting his buddies! Or on FaceBook!

        Bush support group! Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Rice, Cheney and the rest! LOL

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        • 2 votes
        Reply#20 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:22 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1797651,"authorDomain":"Jcpas"}

        Sounds like a terror group, not a support group.

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        • 2 votes
        #20.1 - Tue May 13, 2008 11:00 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1797981,"authorDomain":"luckydog"}

        They need to take over a small country somewhere so they can flee and avoid extradition. Rename it Halburtonia or something.

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        • 8 votes
        #20.2 - Wed May 14, 2008 1:31 AM EDT
        {"commentId":1802027,"authorDomain":"TeddRi"}

        luckydog, Think its a bit late for that one.

        Its now a part of Blackwater Worldwide

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        • 5 votes
        #20.3 - Thu May 15, 2008 2:44 AM EDT
        Reply
        {"commentId":1797551,"authorDomain":"pmags"}

        Someone should silk screen tees with VERBIAGE on it.

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        • 3 votes
        Reply#21 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:26 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1797571,"authorDomain":"ScarlerTermite"}

        He's just so excited about the inevitable attack on Iran that he can barely contain himself. It's why he's ignoring Congress (again) and filling the strategic oil reserve. A friend of mine has a son in the Army. This fellow has a seriously ill wife who is also pregnant. About two weeks ago he was told that he either had to place her with people who could take care of her and thus remain in a deployable status or leave the Army. The week after that he was told that everything was ok and he could stay in the Army and the Army would take care of his wife's medical needs. We wondered about this sudden change of heart, but I'm not wondering about it now.

        It's bad mojo, my friends, and I am frightened for all of us.

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        • 4 votes
        Reply#22 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:35 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1797631,"authorDomain":"JStranahan"}

        This dove-tails nicely with comments and "findings" Bush has be issuing in the last few weeks. I sense a march towards a surgical strike on Iran soon.

        Secret Bush "Finding" Widens War on Iran

        The American Conservative ยป War With Iran Might Be Closer Than You Think

        Bush calls Iran 'single biggest threat' to Mideast peace

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        • 4 votes
        Reply#23 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:55 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1797700,"authorDomain":"Liberty-for-Yall"}

        He gave up golf, which he sucked at, but continues to take vacations on a record setting pace?

        worst.president.ever

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        • 4 votes
        Reply#24 - Tue May 13, 2008 11:18 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1797789,"authorDomain":"DirkM"}

        Wow, this is the first time I actually agree with President Bush! I am disappointed in his lack of intelligence also. For that matter, I am pretty damn disappointed in the lack of intelligence of the people that voted him into office for a second term.

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        • 12 votes
        Reply#25 - Tue May 13, 2008 11:47 PM EDT
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