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WASHINGTON — Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois sealed the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, a historic step toward his once-improbable goal of becoming the nation's first black president. A vanquished Hillary Rodham Clinton maneuvered for the vice presidential spot on his fall ticket.
Obama's victory set up a five-month campaign with Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, a race between a 46-year-old opponent of the Iraq War and a 71-year-old former Vietnam prisoner of war and staunch supporter of the current U.S. military mission.
Both men promptly exchanged criticism over the war in Iraq and sought to claim the mantle of change in a country plainly tired of the status quo.
"It's not change when John McCain decided to stand with George Bush 95 percent of the time, as he did in the Senate last year," Obama said in remarks prepared for delivery in St. Paul, Minn.
"It's not change when he offers four more years of Bush economic policies that have failed to create well-paying jobs. ... And it's not change when he promises to continue a policy in Iraq that asks everything of our brave young men and women in uniform and nothing of Iraqi politicians." In a symbolic move, he spoke in the same hall where McCain will accept the Republican nomination at his party's convention in September.
McCain spoke first, in New Orleans, and he accused his younger rival of voting "to deny funds to the soldiers who have done a brilliant and brave job" in Iraq. It was a reference to 2007 legislation to pay for the Iraq war, a measure Obama opposed citing the lack of a timetable for withdrawing troops.
McCain agreed with Obama that the presidential race would focus on change. "But the choice is between the right change and the wrong change, between going forward and going backward," he added.
One campaign began as another was ending.
On the final night of the primary season, Clinton won South Dakota, leaving Montana yet to be settled.
The former first lady praised her rival, whom she said "has inspired so many Americans to care about politics and empowered so many more to get involved. And our party and our democracy is stronger and more vibrant as a result."
"I am committed to uniting our party so we move forward stronger and more ready than ever to take back the White House in November," she said in a final-night rally in New York.
Only 31 delegates were at stake, the final few among the thousands that once drew Obama, Clinton and six other Democratic candidates into the campaign to replace Bush and become the nation's 44th president.
Obama sealed his nomination, according to The Associated Press tally, based on primary elections, state Democratic caucuses and delegates' public declarations as well as support from 19 delegates and "superdelegates" who privately confirmed their intentions t/o the AP. It takes 2,118 delegates to clinch the nomination at the convention in Denver this summer, and Obama had 2,129 by the AP count.
Obama, a first-term senator who was virtually unknown on the national stage four years ago, defeated Clinton, the former first lady and one-time campaign front-runner, in a 17-month marathon for the Democratic nomination.
His victory had been widely assumed for weeks. But Clinton's declaration of interest in becoming his ticketmate was wholly unexpected.
She expressed it in a conference call with her state's congressional delegation after Rep. Nydia Velazquez, predicted Obama would have great difficulty winning the support of Hispanics and other voting blocs unless the former first lady was on the ticket.
"I am open to it" if it would help the party's prospects in November, Clinton replied, according to participants who spoke on condition of anonymity because the call was private.
Clinton's comments raised anew the prospect of what many Democrats have called a "Dream Ticket" that would put a black man and a woman on the same ballot, but Obama's aides were noncommittal. "We're not in the presidential phase here. We're going to close out the nominating fight and then we'll consider that," David Axelrod, Obama's top strategist, told reporters aboard the candidate's plane en route to Minnesota.
McCain's criticism of Obama referred to a vote last year in which the Illinois senator came out against legislation paying for the Iraq war because it did not include a timetable for withdrawing troops. At the time, Obama said the funding would give President Bush "a blank check to continue down this same, disastrous path."
Obama previously had opposed a deadline for troop withdrawal, but shifted position under pressure from the Democratic Party's liberal wing as he maneuvered for support in advance of the primaries.
Bill Burton, a spokesman for Obama, responded tartly. "While John McCain has a record of occasional independence from his party in the past, last year he chose to embrace 95% of George Bush's agenda, including his failed economic policies and his failed policy in Iraq. No matter how hard he tries to spin it otherwise, that kind of record is simply not the change the American people are looking for or deserve."
The young Illinois senator's success amounted to a victory of hope over experience, earned across an enervating 56 primaries and caucuses that tested the political skills and human endurance of all involved.
Obama stood for hope, and change. Clinton was the candidate of experience, ready, she said, to serve in the Oval Office from Day One.
Together, they drew record turnouts in primary after primary — more than 34 million voters in all, independents and Republicans as well as Democrats.
Yet the race between a black man and a woman exposed deep racial and gender divisions within the party.
Obama drew strength from blacks, and from the younger, more liberal and wealthier voters in many states. Clinton was preferred by older, more downscale voters, and women, of course.
Obama's triumph was fashioned on prodigious fundraising, meticulous organizing and his theme of change aimed at an electorate opposed to the Iraq war and worried about the economy — all harnessed to his own gifts as an inspirational speaker.
With her husband's two White House terms as a backdrop, Clinton campaigned for months as the candidate of experience, a former first lady and second-term senator ready to be commander in chief.
But after a year on the campaign trail, Obama won the kickoff Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3, and the freshman senator became a political phenomenon.
"We came together as Democrats, as Republicans and independents, to stand up and say we are one nation, we are one people and our time for change has come," he said that night of victory in Des Moines.
As the strongest female presidential candidate in history, Clinton drew large, enthusiastic audiences. Yet Obama's were bigger. One audience, in Dallas, famously cheered when he blew his nose on stage; a crowd of 75,000 turned out in Portland, Ore., the weekend before the state's May 20 primary.
The former first lady countered Obama's Iowa victory with an upset five days later in New Hampshire that set the stage for a campaign marathon as competitive as any in the past generation.
"Over the last week I listened to you, and in the process I found my own voice," she told supporters who had saved her candidacy from an early demise.
In defeat, Obama's aides concluded they had committed a cardinal sin of New Hampshire politics, forsaking small, intimate events in favor of speeches to large audiences inviting them to ratify Iowa's choice.
It was not a mistake they made again — which helped explain Obama's later outings to bowling alleys, backyard basketball courts and American Legion halls in the heartland.
Clinton conceded nothing, memorably knocking back a shot of Crown Royal whiskey at a bar in Indiana, recalling that her grandfather had taught her to use a shotgun, and driving in a pickup to a gas station in South Bend, Ind., to emphasize her support for a summertime suspension of the federal gasoline tax.
As other rivals fell away in winter, Obama and Clinton traded victories on Super Tuesday, the Feb. 5 series of primaries and caucuses across 21 states and American Samoa that once seemed likely to settle the nomination.
But Clinton had a problem that Obama exploited, and he scored a coup she could not answer.
Pressed for cash, the former first lady ran noncompetitive campaigns in several Super Tuesday caucus states, allowing her rival to run up his delegate totals.
At the same time, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., endorsed the young senator in terms that summoned memories of his slain brothers while seeking to turn the page on the Clinton era.
Merely by surviving Super Tuesday, Obama exceeded expectations. But he did more than survive, emerging with a lead in delegates that he never relinquished, and he proceeded to run off a string of 11 straight victories.
Clinton saved her candidacy once more with primary victories in Ohio and Texas on March 4, beginning a stretch in which she won in six of the next nine states on the calendar, as well as in Puerto Rico.
It was a strong run, providing glimpses of what might have been for the one-time front-runner.
Personality issues rose and receded through the campaign:
Clinton's husband, the former president, campaigned tirelessly for her but sometimes became an issue himself, to her detriment.
And Obama struggled to minimize the damage caused by the incendiary rhetoric of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, an issue likely to be raised anew by Republicans in the fall campaign.
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Associated Press Writers Beth Fouhy and Devlin Barrett in Washington, Stephen Majors in Columbus, Ohio, Jim Davenport in Columbia, S.C., and Libby Quaid in Memphis, Tenn., contributed to this story
© 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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{"commentId":1885377,"authorDomain":"JStranahan"}
Next stop.... the Oval Office!
Good job Barack and congrats to a brilliant campaign organization.
Well done
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#1 - Tue Jun 3, 2008 6:33 PM EDT{"commentId":1885510,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
The first African-American to be nominated for President of the United States by either major party.
I wish my grandparents were here to witness it!!!
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- 11 votes
#2 - Tue Jun 3, 2008 6:57 PM EDT{"commentId":1886562,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
It's a historic night alright, Jazz. But after watching Hillary's "concession" speech which was anything but there's trouble in Obamaville tonight. My guess is that they've about a thousand miles of fence-mending ahead of them, at a high price, to gain her support. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't position. Picking her as the running mate opens up immense cans of worms. Hillary and Bill Clinton don't play second fiddle to anyone. Obama would always be looking over his shoulder. Picking Hillary will really energize the Republicans many of whom still view her as Public Enemy No. 1. The ticket would be lopsidedly tilted left not to mention having the double whammy of having both a black and a woman on the Democratic ticket (I think the country's ready for either in the top slot, but two at once?). And that's just for starters.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1886690,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
Picking her as the running mate opens up immense cans of worms. Hillary and Bill Clinton don't play second fiddle to anyone. Obama would always be looking over his shoulder
Bill I agree with you. I can't see Obama making that mistake.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1886737,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
I also wish Fannie Lou Hamer were alive to see!!!
{"commentId":1886737,"threadId":"277777","contentId":"1536527","authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1886866,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}
Bill
Why did so many of Obama's supporters refuse to acknowledge their candidates gracious praise Hillary. If Obama recognized her as an opponent who shared this historical moment in our history. Was it the spirit of hatred that motivated them? Are we not all Americans. Is hatred
a cherished value? I certainly hope not. The 50% for obama needs to embrace the 50% for Hillary.
As to Bill she could separate for the duration,
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{"commentId":1887085,"authorDomain":"We-The-People"}
Why did so many of Obama's supporters refuse to acknowledge their candidates gracious praise Hillary.
1. Hillary represents the opposite of everything most people love about Obama.
2. First of all Hillary has been anything but Gracious to Him. Even in bitter end.
3. Having no sensible person believes that Bill Clinton will not have an effect on the campaign or the whitehouse.
4. So far, the republican party has been unmotivated, one solution is Hillary on the ticket. That will energize that base quickly.
5. Pat Buchanan and most other republicans as well as Karl Rove, believes she should be on the ticket.
Plenty more reasons, but Number 1. alone is good enough for me.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1887441,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}
Rob
Then you believe our candidate was lying?
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{"commentId":1887506,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
I will analyze Sen. Clinton's loss in my column that will appear tomorrow.
Jazz, I was thinking tonight of 1989 and Doug Wilder again here in the Old Dominion and boy did I catch a lot of flak from my GOP confreres for supporting him in that run. Barack Obama should seek out Wilder's advice, and often, for this general election campaign because he's standing on Governor Wilder's shoulders tonight and Doug Wilder became the first black governor in this nation's history, in the home of the Confederacy's old capital, when Barack Obama was still feeling his way out of law school. But Wilder didn't do it by running as a conventional liberal (to the considerable consternation of his old colleagues in the General Assembly like Henry Marsh), he did it the "Virginia way" which, heaven-forbid represents the Clinton-style, DLC politics that made Bill Clinton the only Democrat elected to two terms since Roosevelt. Obama should think about that as he begins this general election campaign. My guess is he's smart enough and ambitious enough to move to the right in the general as all Democrats must do and turn somewhat of a deaf ear to the DailyKossacks and others of that ilk.
{"commentId":1887506,"threadId":"277777","contentId":"1536527","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1887693,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
My guess is he's smart enough and ambitious enough to move to the right in the general as all Democrats must do and turn somewhat of a deaf ear to the DailyKossacks and others of that ilk.
Bill,
The reality is Obama could win this election, and then he has to govern.
Many times men rise to the office they attain (Jimmy Carter never did, and I voted for him).
A few months ago the media came down on Obama for supposedly winking to Canada about his campaign promise to renegotiate trade agreements, which if true, was an indication to me he's not so out of touch with the reality of our global economy as that proposed policy indicated.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1887812,"authorDomain":"We-The-People"}
Rob
Then you believe our candidate was lying?
Yessssssssssss.. I believe he is being Gracious, I believe he is being politically correct so that there wont be a civil war. I believe he is trying to keep the party together as she is intent on dividing it. Now she even has the help of John McCain. Am I the only person who can see how insane this is????
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1887873,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
I believe he is trying to keep the party together as she is intent on dividing it.
The last thing Hillary wants is an Obama victory in Nov, because it locks her out of the White House possibly for the next 8 years, and she's not getting any younger, or any more popular.
In eight years there may be some new Obama on the scene for her to have to deal with.
A McCain win probably guarantees her the nomination in 2012.
Obama had better watch the Clintons like a hawk through Nov.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1894869,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}
jazz...I can't believe you still spout the Trippi/Axelrod rumors. She is not the wicked witch of the West. Obama will go to his advisers and then he'll make a decision about what role
will best insure his becoming president. She will accept or not it's his call. I take at her word that she will do all she can to insure a Democrat wins. Not to do so would be political
suicide. She smart enough to know that to insure her role in history (18 mil. ain't chicken feed for the first woman presidential candidate.) she must support the candidate. There's plenty of time for O to make up his mind. His call.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1895020,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
jazz...I can't believe you still spout the Trippi/Axelrod rumors. She is not the wicked witch of the West
jade-log,
My opinion of her is not based on rumors. It's based on what I've seen her doing this past year.
No offense to you personally, but I think both she and her husband are both toxic , and the Democratic party would be better off moving along into the 21st century without them.
I think the Republican party would also do better without the Bush family upfront in the future.
Since America is not governed by monarchy, I don't think we need family succession to the White House.
The bottom line on Hillary Clinton is that she won her NY Senate seat based on her husbands popularity, and what's left of his popularity is now fading very fast.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1895464,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}
Jazzman...I'm from a different era. I was a sophomore in college when JFK was shot. I had placed all my hopes on his presidency. It was horrible. Then King, Edgars and RFK were killed. Then the National Guard shot the Kent State students during a peace demonstration. Every night we watched in horror as coffins came home from Viet Nam. We saw napalm at dinner time. Those were horrible days.
Yes Bill had problems. Still in a sexual indiscretion is nothing compared to starting a war and ruining our economy. Trippi/Axelrod did a very effective job circulating rumors in the blogs and they won. HRC was and is popular to 18 million voters. They were not voting for an evil b----, they voted for someone they admired for trying to do good on many issues. Even O will make mistakes at some point but I believe that his will be nothing compared to the current administration.
I trust that O will consider his options and communicate them to her. At that point she will accept or not. It's his call. I believe that she will work hard to support him and so will the millions who supported her. This hatred really offends some people in my generation. Trust O's decision; in away it will be his first presidential act.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1895954,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
jade_log,
I'm not as young as you may think.
I'm not really very concerned that Obama will choose Hillary. I think there's almost no possibility of that happening, especially based on what I've seen on cable news this evening.
I don't hate her, but I have never liked the Clinton's much.
{"commentId":1895954,"threadId":"277777","contentId":"1536527","authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1896519,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}
jazzman..that is your choice. I respect it. Please understand that is painful to read these disrespectful comments. I would say nothing to impugn Obama's reputation. I'm focused on Obama's ground breaking nomination. I only want it recognized that HRC broke ground as well. Maybe Obama will make a mistake. It's hard job. At least I'm sure he will not involve us in an unnecessary war. I would like to quote the 35 year old presidentof the NAACP, Ben Jealous:(In an odd way we are all colored.)
"This the century when white people a minority in this country. What that means is right now, we need to have a clear picture of where we're headed."
This is a big deal for a lot of people. What Jealous says is true. What HRC did is also a big deal. People need to take the time to look at this new world of racial and gender equality. It has never happened before. We are like the C. Columbus in a world of greater possibilities. It's a whole new geo-political continent. We and the candidates need to take a rest and then move into the future as a whole party. I'm sorry I mistook your age. So many of the commentators are younger than the 63 years I claim. I'm just an old idealist.
{"commentId":1896519,"threadId":"277777","contentId":"1536527","authorDomain":"jade-log"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1896905,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}
jazzman...I found out what your age is more or less when I found your comment on a different article. A vet. Thank you may you live long and prosper.
{"commentId":1896905,"threadId":"277777","contentId":"1536527","authorDomain":"jade-log"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1902913,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
Thank you may you live long and prosper.
I wish the same to you.
{"commentId":1902913,"threadId":"277777","contentId":"1536527","authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1885540,"authorDomain":"sunshinekidd4"}
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it would happen.
{"commentId":1885540,"threadId":"277777","contentId":"1536527","authorDomain":"sunshinekidd4"}
- 3 votes
#3 - Tue Jun 3, 2008 7:01 PM EDT{"commentId":1885615,"authorDomain":"djd"}
As an uninvolved Brit could I echo that please?
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1887412,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}
Rob then youthink our candidate was lying?
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{"commentId":1885623,"authorDomain":"cletuswilbury"}
Only 14 years ago: Wedowee: Another Landmark on Alabama's Civil Rights Trail
Mr. Humphries is principal of Randolph County High School in Wedowee. He has held the job for 25 years...
Mr. Humphries told Randolph County High School students that he would cancel their prom to prevent mixed-race couples from attending. Sixteen year-old Revonda Bowen saw this as a problem....Ms. Bowen's dilemma stems from her parents, her mother considers herself black and her father considers himself white. She explained her situation to Mr. Humphries and according to news reports he told her, "That's just it. Your mom and dad made a mistake, having you as a mixed raced child."
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#4 - Tue Jun 3, 2008 7:18 PM EDT{"commentId":1887114,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}
ROB judge not lest you be judged.
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{"commentId":1885692,"authorDomain":"ama46"}
The color of someones skin or their sex should not be the thing people vote for. Its what they stand for, their campaign promises and things that they feel would make this a better country, if you feel you can trust them, if you feel they are the better candidate, if they stand for YOUR values that should be the thing that makes you vote for a particular person. If Hillary Clinton had won the superdelegtes nomination instead of Barack Obama I am sure there would have been a lot of sexist comments about a woman can't wear a mans pants. Sorry guys but I have heard enough about it already, its stupid and childish. She is a good person just like Mr. Obama is and they both have a lot to offer this country and if you cannot see that you are blind. If she doesn't get the VP spot I hope she goes on an Independent Ticket and that will mean a lot of republicans and democrats and independent people will vote for her and it will hurt both of the other candidates. May the best PERSON win.
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- 2 votes
#5 - Tue Jun 3, 2008 7:31 PM EDT{"commentId":1885774,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
The color of someones skin or their sex should not be the thing people vote for. Its what they stand for, their campaign promises and things that they feel would make this a better country, if you feel you can trust them, if you feel they are the better candidate, if they stand for YOUR values that should be the thing that makes you vote for a particular person.
Ama,
I absolutely agree.
But its still a historic moment in American history we're witnessing, just as it would have been if Hillary had been the first woman nominated.
For me, taking note of the historical significance it is not a statement of support for Obama just because he's black.
{"commentId":1885774,"threadId":"277777","contentId":"1536527","authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":1885779,"authorDomain":"benb"}
If she doesn't get the VP spot I hope she goes on an Independent Ticket and that will mean a lot of republicans and democrats and independent people will vote for her and it will hurt both of the other candidates.
If she does this her political career is over - she has almost no chance of winning this way and she will not be welcome back in the Democratic party.
{"commentId":1885779,"threadId":"277777","contentId":"1536527","authorDomain":"benb"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":1885801,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
If she does this her political career is over - she has almost no chance of winning this way and she will not be welcome back in the Democratic party.
I agree.
A Hillary run as an Independent will only hurt Obama and the democrats.
{"commentId":1885801,"threadId":"277777","contentId":"1536527","authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":1885844,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}
Ama
Let me offer thoughts of a very important 35 year old. His name is Ben Jealous.
He is the new president of the NAACP.
"This is the century when white people will become a minority in this country.
What that means is, right now, we need to have a clear picture of where we're headed."
In other words, "It's the end of the world as we know it." He's absolutely on target.
This is a pivot in time, an absolute paradigm shift, no one has ever been here before,
an African American and a women in power in these United States. That means we have gained an unparalleled realisation of the equality race and gender. Talk about an example for
the world to follow.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1885870,"authorDomain":"cletuswilbury"}
Ama -
Don't worry about it. For example:
I doubt most Obama supporters would support Condi Rice for President,
and it ain't because she's a woman.
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{"commentId":1885895,"authorDomain":"castaneda"}
If she goes independent she might as well endorse Mcain. The Republicans wanted Hillary to win knowing full and well that she could not win against Mcain. Republicans hate Hillary and would show up in mass to vote against her. Obama on the other hand has the support of many moderate republicans that are fed up with the current administration's brand of faux conservatism.
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castaneda
She will not be an independent. She broke with her upbringing and has been a Democrat
since then and will be to the end. Also she has said she will do anything to make sure the next president is a Democrat. Why do you not support your candidates praise for her?
She too is making history. The opponent is no longer a Hillary but John McCain. The party must find a way to unite.
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{"commentId":1885759,"authorDomain":"bobligh"}
Ladies, If you upset about the democrats anointing process..come on by...johnmccainforum.com..were gonna leave a light on.
{"commentId":1885759,"threadId":"277777","contentId":"1536527","authorDomain":"bobligh"}
- 1 vote
#6 - Tue Jun 3, 2008 7:41 PM EDT{"commentId":1885825,"authorDomain":"abowhite45"}
That's not a bad idea, you Pub's are going to need all the light you can stand, to see your way out of the White House.
There's going to be a wave of Dem's, Pub's, Independ's, GP, black, white, brown, red, & yellow, women, men, jews, gentiles, & catholics all uniting together to whip McCain/Bush 'ARSE'.
We will leave the light on for all the world to see, there's a new 'Sheriff' in town and his name is Barack Obama.
{"commentId":1885825,"threadId":"277777","contentId":"1536527","authorDomain":"abowhite45"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":1885941,"authorDomain":"bigmikecraft"}
I think, after 1 year of name calling and defamation of character by Ms. Hillary Clinton, to whom I am stuck with as my N.Y. Senator, Mr.Obama could do well in looking to the vast array of talented Democrates who could fill the Vice Presidential Office. Ms Clinton will never be able to rid herself of the Bosnia Flap, the crying jag, and the 100 or so felony political statements she made in the last year. Democrats, & I am a registered Albany County Democrat, as is my family, must not take Mr. McCain lightly. This man choose to stay behind with his men in a concentration camp in North Viet Nam for 5 years. This man might not be what this nation needs but he is a highly strong man and all Democrats had better know that the only VP candidate Mr. Obama needs is 4 Star General of the Army Colin Powell. Mr. Obama is facing a 5 decade soilder and will not be able to say bo about the services or warfare or criticize Mr. McCain about duty or warfare experience. He will have to stay quiet. With Gen. Powell or General Clark, Mr. Obama gains credibilityin foreign affairs. I personally like Mr. Obama, and I have made a few calls about him and he seems a fine man. Please remember Ms. Clinton has bad baggage and a General has very little. Mr. Obama go for a General, Please!
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- 1 vote
#7 - Tue Jun 3, 2008 8:12 PM EDT{"commentId":1885995,"authorDomain":"cletuswilbury"}
Or, anyone not named Clinton.
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{"commentId":1885983,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
Open message to jfxgillis,
Hey gillis,
I have to give you Democrats some kudos here. Despite what I believe are astronomical odds that a ultra liberal black man can be elected President, you guys still nominated him, despite the power of the Clintons in opposing it. It was a tough process, but I think it reflects the true will of the majority of your party.
I just hope now no one hurts him. Obama and I have nothing in common in our political belief, but I'd rather see him elected, than physically hurt by some maniac, because I think an Obama presidency would do far less harm to this country, than another assassination would. It would be devastating for America if he were harmed.
I think now we enter the most dangerous period of the election process for him, and I hope the US govt, will take extraordinary precautions to protect him.
It probably seems strange to many that Obama's safety would be my main concern tonight, but as a child of the 60's, and someone who lived through the assassinations of JFK, RFK, Malcolm X, MLK, and Medgar Evers, its what unfortunately first comes to mind.
Countering what Rev Wright said,
May God Bless America !!!
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- 2 votes
#8 - Tue Jun 3, 2008 8:21 PM EDT{"commentId":1886005,"authorDomain":"cletuswilbury"}
"Countering what Rev Wright said..."
Lol. Yep, there is hope!
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1886596,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
I second all of your comments except for:
I think it reflects the true will of the majority of your party.
That is a fairly dubious assertion although certainly within the baroque structure the Democrats freely chose for their party it is true. Keep in mind that Obama would not have won this race without the superdelegates for which no voter cast a ballot in this campaign.
I now look forward to doing my level best, no matter how small, to assure that this nominee of the Democratic Party does not become POTUS.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1887003,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
Keep in mind that Obama would not have won this race without the superdelegates for which no voter cast a ballot in this campaign.
Bill,
I'll admit I'm not up on the whole thing about the superdelegates.
I will say that I believe the Democrats and the Clinton's (especially the Clinton's) were totally unprepared for the groundswell of support that swept like wildfire through the black community for Obama.
I think the DNC and its superdelegates came to the political reality that a threshold was reached, where there was no turning back on commitment to Obama, without an extremely angry reaction from the black community.
I think that reaction could have even been a voting boycott ( I doubt many would vote McCain in protest) and demonstration at the polls in retaliation in the general election in Nov.
I think it then became a matter of who the party could afford to piss off most, and still have a chance of winning the White House, Obama's supporters, or Clinton's.
I also don't think the general culture of the Democratic Party could abide being portrayed as racist by blacks ( although the Clintons I believe could care less)
There's no doubt the Clinton's underestimated Obama. They thought he'd be the token black portraying Jessie Jackson/Al Sharpton in this election (didn't Bill Clinton say just that in SC?), and he turned out to be MLK (in stature).
Whats also interesting is African-Americans have gotten well past the fact that Obama is the son of a white mother.
Now can white Americans get past the fact that he is the son of a black father?
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1887533,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
All good points. I will offer a post-mortem on Hillary's defeat in my column that will appear tomorrow.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1887735,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
I will offer a post-mortem on Hillary's defeat in my column that will appear tomorrow.
I wonder if she'll dump Bill Clinton now that she doesn't really need him any more politically.
I seriously wish the Clinton's would just walk off into the sunset.
But I don't think they've played their last ace up their sleeve yet.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1888888,"authorDomain":"cletuswilbury"}
"Keep in mind that Obama would not have won this race without the superdelegates"
I understand what you're saying, but that would be true of either candidate.
Just to be clear, if the superdelegates are thrown out, Obama still wins 1762 to 1637.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1889271,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
We definitely haven't heard the last of the Clintons and neither has Barack Obama. Trying to finesse them into supporting him will be as big a task he'll face in the coming months as anything he will face from McCain. The Clintons, with their bottomless narcissism, will make sure of that.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1886303,"authorDomain":"watereyes"}
Too bad..I wanted to vote Democrat, but now I'll be voting for McCain.
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- 2 votes
#9 - Tue Jun 3, 2008 9:16 PM EDT{"commentId":1886356,"authorDomain":"eisley03"}
I pray also that people see that Obama wants to help this country and people will at least give him a chance like they have Bush for all these years. I pray that no harm comes to him. It's so great to see the way America is changing and opening their eyes to something new and different. I just hope that people of all races can finally see it's time for a change. It's time to make sure our children are being educated, people have healthcare, that our environment is hurting. It's time to realize that it can be this way for anyone if they just try. I'm sick of people worrying about the type of car to get their barely 15 year old kid, people worrying about rims, guns, and clothes, and most of all these 17 year old celebrities getting pregnant and making it seem like it's the best thing that ever happened. We need role models and I pray that people let Obama shine through.
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#10 - Tue Jun 3, 2008 9:28 PM EDT{"commentId":1886538,"authorDomain":"sonofoster98"}
HAIL TO CHIEF OBAMA. DON'T LET THE CLINTONS BLACKMAIL YOU FOR THE VICE PRESIDENCY.
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- 1 vote
#11 - Tue Jun 3, 2008 10:05 PM EDT{"commentId":1886598,"authorDomain":"pev"}
I always said that I would not want to vote for Hillary because she was so divisive. These last few months showed me how right I was, and the speech she gave tonight, when she refused to concede even after Obama passed the delegate mark, really ended all respect I had for her at all.
Thank god it's over. I'm so damned happy Obama has the nomination. He's the right man, and it's about time.
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#12 - Tue Jun 3, 2008 10:14 PM EDT{"commentId":1886616,"authorDomain":"rwclawyer"}
Hillary's speech tonight was an announcement that she does not want to be Vice President. When she reiterated all of her campaign positions in answer to the question "what does Hillary want", she separated herself from Senator Obama and made it clear that she is not willing to be a team member who will support his positions in the coming campaign.
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#13 - Tue Jun 3, 2008 10:17 PM EDT{"commentId":1886637,"authorDomain":"midwestpalace"}
This whole things has turned more into a racial issue than a Democratic Nomination. How many people seen the last so called Priest at his church? Did you notice the men in the blue robes behind the Priest? They where laughing like they where in the audience at " Live at the Apollo ". We need to remember as Democrats .... Democrats are just that Democrats. All of the sudden a rally was on to get the young people and blacks to register. Because a black man had his hat in the ring. When all along you had a right to vote and it would have counted just as well. I have heard more times than I can tell you in the last year from black folks " We are going to the white house " with an in your face attitude ..... Today I heard a white guy say .... I guess we will have to pay for our ancestors and sit at the back of the bus!! The nonsense has got to STOP...regardless who gets in the White house. Racism cannot take steps backwards we must continue to move forward. I am not afraid to vote for him because he is a black man. I also won't vote for McCain out of spite. I will listen very carefully to what he says and the people that he associates with have to say. Perhaps, then I will decide to write in my candidate .... Hillary Clinton.
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- 1 vote
#14 - Tue Jun 3, 2008 10:21 PM EDT{"commentId":1886663,"authorDomain":"garjen1"}
{"commentId":1887309,"authorDomain":"vgps68"}
It's a miracle Obama has gotten this far; almost unbelievable - never thought I'd live to see it happen. I just hope he lives long enough to become President. There are a lot of bitter, angry racist right-wingers with automatic weapons out there. If Hillary is selected for VP, one of them is bound to go off. It will be too much for the Traditional White American Male to deal with - an A-rab Nigra and an Uppity Woman who is married to a child-molesting, lying pervert; both of them God-Forsaken Liberals out to steal The Common Man's hard-earned money and give it to dumb@!$%# slackers who make stupid lifestyle choices that lack Good Common Sense (why in the hell should the Common Man allow undeserving parasites to spend their welfare check on gas for their Cadillacs and Crunchy Cheetos and Kools when a deserving multi-millionaire could invest it in GM and Frito Lay and RJ Reynolds and create millions of jobs........someplace, but that's not important - I mean, how dumb can people get?); Liberal Sissies who will surrender to the Evil Doers, allow homosexuals to run rampant and mate with animals and then get married; Atheist Liberals who will force innocent, impressionable American children their great-great-great-great-great grandparents were monkeys (but not the ones from Africa - the ones from England and Germany and Ireland), force price hikes at Wal-Mart by questioning the safety and usefulness of junk imported from China and India and Pakistan and Bulgaria and Mexico and other places W couldn't find on a map; toys more often than not built by children because they work cheaper and longer and earn American Investors a better return on their inherited dollars that will be stolen from them via the Liberal Death Tax.
Damned Liberals who are gonna force Real Big Men to drive tiny, dip@!$%# cars they can't fit into and their wives wouldn't even be seen in at the Country Club and can barely afford to fill-up because all of their money is being stolen by The Damned Liberals; Damned Liberals insisting that some stupid bear or ugly ol' fish is more important than getting enough oil out of Alaska to last for another 1000 years; Evil Liberals out to destroy our glorious Free-Market-Christian-Democracy, where every man's vote counts unless a more important man who works for a Big Corporation (who must be pretty damned smart since he wears a suit to work) says it doesn't and pays and educates a politician just to make sure and it's just as well because they're really on your side and don't you want to wear a nice suit to work everyday, too? Wouldn't your momma be proud?
And let's not forget our glorious crusade in Iraq that can't end because 4,000+ American lives have been lost and have to be avenged because 4,000+ American lives have been lost and have to be avenged because some stupid people from Saudi Arabia (it's just Good Business) and Egypt (just a slight geographical error, you understand) flew a couple of airplanes into some buildings in Jew York City. After all, the Iraqi Evil Doer tried to kill the President's Daddy some time back and the President's Daddy is friends with the Saudi Evil Doer's dad, so I guess that's OK, just Good Business. And Scott McClellan is an ungrateful fatty......pay no attention please.
Oh yeah, the fight has just begun. And McCain says he's for 'moving forward - but in the right direction' or something equally meaningless, stupid and illogical.......it'll be interesting to watch from here in Texas but I'll also be watching my back a little more closely. If I were Obama and Hillary I'd really pay attention to the Republican Fear Factor this time around. Unfortunately, the enemy is at home, probably White and Christian, driven to distraction by an over-abundance of Good Sense Gone Bad.
I heard Reagan's scheduled to be resurrected soon (along with Cleveland and Coolidge and Harding and Hoover and Nixon).......they'd better move the date up a few months, time's a'runnin' out. Rove for Republican VP anyone?
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#16 - Tue Jun 3, 2008 11:43 PM EDT{"commentId":1887411,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}
flew a couple of airplanes into some buildings in Jew York City.
Not cool man, that crosses the line.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1887380,"authorDomain":"abowhite45"}
{"commentId":1888905,"authorDomain":"abowhite45"}
There are ignorant people all over the country who believe there's no way a black man can win the White House, never mind a white woman on the ticket as well...
To all of them I say, vote for the little silver haired white guy, John 'Depends' McCain...
He's going to need some of his volunteers to 'Depend' on to keep him from leaking. If he gets elected they would have to help him remember what country he would be running from day to day.
I don't think so...Barack Obama, President of the United States! Has a nice "Ring" to it.
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- 4 votes
#18 - Wed Jun 4, 2008 5:32 AM EDT{"commentId":1891466,"authorDomain":"TBK"}
abowhite, unfortunate but true..there still exist closed minded ignorant racist and feminist in this country who harbor these bigoted views.
The good news is young people are here to save the day from these narrow minded and prehistoric racist people.
Their days are numbered!
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- 4 votes
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