G-8 energy chiefs meet as oil soars

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AOMORI — Japan's energy chief launched a meeting of ministers from the world's top industrialized nations Sunday by warning that soaring oil prices could trigger a global recession if they're not checked.

The Group of Eight rich nations met in northern Japan with representatives from China, India and South Korea to discuss oil and gas markets, energy investment, energy security and climate change amid deepening concerns about the world economy.

Oil prices made their biggest single-day surge on Friday, soaring $11 to $138.54 on the New York Mercantile Exchange, an 8 percent increase. On the same day, the United States announced a rise in unemployment.

"The situation regarding energy prices is becoming extremely challenging," Akira Amari, Japan's trade and energy minister, warned his colleagues Sunday. "If left unaddressed, it may well cause a recession in the global economy."

Five top energy consumers — the United States, China, Japan, South Korea and India — urged oil producers on Saturday to boost output to meet growing demand, while pledging to develop clean energy alternatives and increase efficiency.

World oil production has stalled at about 85 million barrels a day since 2005, while global economic growth — boosted by spectacular surges in China and India — has pushed demand to unprecedented levels.

Amari called for a strong message ahead of the G-8 leaders summit in Toyako, Japan, in July. The 11 nations gathered in Aomori account for 65 percent of the world's energy consumption and emissions of greenhouse gases.

"What actions we take to address the challenges that we face will have an extremely important effect in solving the global energy issue," he said.

It was unclear, however, what impact consumers will have without action by producers. The current president of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, Chakib Khelil, has said that the cartel will make no new decision on production levels until its Sept. 9 meeting in Vienna.

The five nations meeting in Japan on Saturday agreed that the sharp surge in oil prices was a menace to the world economy and more petroleum should be produced to meet rising demand. They argued that the unprecedented prices were against the interests of both producers and consumers, and imposed a "heavy burden" on developing countries.

The ministers also vowed to diversify their sources of energy, invest in alternative and renewable fuels, ramp up cooperation in strategic oil stocks in case of a supply shortage, and improve the quality of data on production and inventories available to markets.

The group, however, diverged over oil subsidies. The International Energy Agency has estimated that oil subsidies in China, India and the Middle East totaled about $55 billion in 2007.

The United States, which has its own energy subsidies, urged countries such as China to lower its oil supports, which enable domestic consumers to enjoy cheaper gasoline. Subsidies shield consumers from higher prices, meaning consumption does not decline despite rising expenses.

But China and India, while signing on to a statement recognizing the need to eventually phase out such subsidies, argued that removing such supports quickly could trigger political and economic instability.

India is already facing such effects. The government on Wednesday hiked gasoline and diesel prices, triggering protests by angry consumers who blocked rail tracks and roads and shut down businesses.

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{"commentId":1916108,"authorDomain":"CurtisLow"}

AP = half truths

International organized criminals have penetrated the energy and other strategic sectors of the economy. International organized criminals and their associates control significant positions in the global energy and strategic materials markets that are vital to U.S. national security interests. They are now expanding their holdings in the U.S. strategic materials sector. Their activities tend to corrupt the normal workings of these markets and have a destabilizing effect on U.S. geopolitical interests.

These gangsters are just flies on the elephant. The real criminals manipulate anything, anytime. The real criminals have government sanction and government protection. The real criminals are the big international commercial banks, Wall Street investment banks and brokerages, and rating agencies,… the entire gang that raped and pillaged the mortgage industry, ruined the housing market, destroyed the credit system, endangered municipal financing, pension funds, and the banking system, and sent the economy into a downward spiral. The real criminals blackmailed the world to pay them billions in ransom or face the destruction of the world financial system and economy.

What is needed is a RICO prosecution of this gang for committing the greatest financial crimes in U.S. history. The only thing that has any hope of stopping this continual rape and pillage of the investors, pensioners, city and state funds, and taxpayers is to see the entire Wall Street crime family arrested and locked in handcuffs to federal and state jails

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Reply#1 - Sat Jun 7, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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What is needed is a RICO prosecution of this gang for committing the greatest financial crimes in U.S. history. The only thing that has any hope of stopping this continual rape and pillage of the investors, pensioners, city and state funds, and taxpayers is to see the entire Wall Street crime family arrested and locked in handcuffs to federal and state jails

Amen!! This isn't a sudden shortage of anything but limits on greed and taxpayer abuse.

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#1.1 - Sat Jun 7, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1916276,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}

Headline reads, "Oil producers urged to boost output as prices soar"

Urged?

For what reason would they boost production and decrease their profits?

Out of the goodness of their hearts?

What a joke.

Its time for the world to take some kind of serious action against the OPEC cartel.

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Reply#2 - Sat Jun 7, 2008 2:42 PM EDT
{"commentId":1916290,"authorDomain":"jazzman646"}

PS to #2

Does this mean we haven't been urging them to produce more until now?

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#2.1 - Sat Jun 7, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
{"commentId":1916971,"authorDomain":"Rixar13"}

George W. Bush begged them didn't he? They said NO..... Is this the calm before the Storm? Apathy has set in for the American People.

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#2.2 - Sat Jun 7, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
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George W. Bush begged them didn't he?

No, NO, and NO, he may have given the appearance, with his little song and dance show for the public... The Bush & Cheney Oil family is making money for themselves as well as their Saudi friends. Bush & Cheney knew exactialy what they were doing by starting a war in Iraq.

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#2.3 - Sat Jun 7, 2008 5:06 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1916843,"authorDomain":"veedub"}

Where exactly is Aomori, anyway? This is an honest question. Also, I'm participating in a discussion on the price of oil at the doctori's column; some magazine published an article saying oil prices won't go up forever. We shall see.

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Reply#3 - Sat Jun 7, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
{"commentId":1916863,"authorDomain":"lisag"}

Did we really learn nothing in the early '70s? We knew this could (and likely would) happen again...and there were no incentives from the government or efforts from the oil and gas industry to invest in alternative energy. Hello, history! Glad I have a four-cylinder.

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Reply#4 - Sat Jun 7, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
{"commentId":1917059,"authorDomain":"denn034"}

I support increasing oil output to create a glut and lower prices but, we need quicker relief that only forcing oil companies to cut their profit margin can give us. Eliminating the Gas Tax entirely is also a good idea.

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Reply#5 - Sat Jun 7, 2008 4:59 PM EDT
{"commentId":1917185,"authorDomain":"nitewingsg1"}

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/2008.06.html

Add these lives to the PRICE of the Bush Family Oil Wars. In a speech Cheney gave when Old Man Bush was in office, and stuck his nose into the middle east, he said if we had gone on into Baghdad, this is what would happen. A unstable middle East leading to a out of control Oil market.

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Reply#6 - Sat Jun 7, 2008 5:21 PM EDT
{"commentId":1918286,"authorDomain":"freed"}

Sounds like a bunch of drug addicts in need of "a fix"

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Reply#7 - Sat Jun 7, 2008 9:06 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1919643,"authorDomain":"crankyman"}

Ok, we increase output. How do we refine the oil. The current production of gas, diesel, JP4, etc. would not change, they are maxed now.

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Reply#9 - Sun Jun 8, 2008 4:50 AM EDT
{"commentId":1920182,"authorDomain":"tulsytowntrader"}

Wow is kinda amazing the price of a gallon of milk is cheaper then a gallon of gas. Corporate greed is definitely in the air! Just how much more can the economy take before it collapses and gas will be the least of our worries!

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Reply#10 - Sun Jun 8, 2008 9:43 AM EDT
{"commentId":1921524,"authorDomain":"dahoss65"}

Hey a$$hole business owners of America! Most people cant afford the inflated high prices that is being charged for your products. Get a clue! Wake up!! You're over-charging your fellow man. Your products are not worth that much. If it was just your product, then it probably wouldnt effect anybody, but when every idiot company out there are raising prices on everything, then it becomes a major issue. People just dont make that kind of money. Prices on everything has doubled, tripled, quadrupled and even higher since the eighties, but min wage hasnt even doubled. Are you that blind? Or you just dont care? You have become the root of the problem in this country. Greed

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    Reply#11 - Sun Jun 8, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1923581,"authorDomain":"minh-han"}

    Although pumping more oil will help with supply in the short run, it will not do anything to stave off demand, or the reliance on petroleum products.

    This country needs to drastically reevaluate its complete dependence on fossil fuels and instead incentivize companies and individuals to reduce energy waste and invest in renewable energy-- solar, wind, water.

    Nuclear power has its attractions, but in the long run it has serious negative consequences, particularly radioactive waste that could stay "hot" for hundreds of thousands of years. And the Bush administration's big push to divert corn from food to fuel has led in part to the skyrocketing cost of just about every grocery item in the supermarket. It was a nice thought, but ultimately ill advised.

    As painful as it is, I would be in favor of a surcharge on gasoline and other energies produced from fossil fuels, with the money going into R&D for renewable energy. A restructuring of the country's coal and electric plants to recycle waste heat into useful steam power to turn turbines would provide 20% of this country's electric needs, without any increase in greenhouse gasses (see the NPR story about Tom Casten and Recyled Energy Development ). We all want to do the "right thing," but let's face it, usually it takes the reward or the threat of money to make us change our ingrained habits.

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    Reply#12 - Mon Jun 9, 2008 12:28 AM EDT
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