Single-horned 'Unicorn' deer found in Italy

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ROME — A deer with a single horn in the center of its head — much like the fabled, mythical unicorn — has been spotted in a nature preserve in Italy, park officials said Wednesday.

"This is fantasy becoming reality," Gilberto Tozzi, director of the Center of Natural Sciences in Prato, told The Associated Press. "The unicorn has always been a mythological animal."

The 1-year-old Roe Deer — nicknamed "Unicorn" — was born in captivity in the research center's park in the Tuscan town of Prato, near Florence, Tozzi said.

He is believed to have been born with a genetic flaw; his twin has two horns.

Calling it the first time he has seen such a case, Tozzi said such anomalies among deer may have inspired the myth of the unicorn.

The unicorn, a horse-like creature with magical healing powers, has appeared in legends and stories throughout history, from ancient and medieval texts to the adventures of Harry Potter.

"This shows that even in past times, there could have been animals with this anomaly," he said by telephone. "It's not like they dreamed it up."

Single-horned deer are rare but not unheard of — but even more unusual is the central positioning of the horn, experts said.

"Generally, the horn is on one side (of the head) rather than being at the center. This looks like a complex case," said Fulvio Fraticelli, scientific director of Rome's zoo. He said the position of the horn could also be the result of a trauma early in the animal's life.

Other mammals are believed to contribute to the myth of the unicorn, including the narwhal, a whale with a long, spiraling tusk.

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{"commentId":1939349,"authorDomain":"laef"}

yesterday front page 'monkeys that know how to fish', today its 'unicorns are real'...

what will it be tomorrow?

all must be honky dory in the world lately. just don't look past the front page.

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Reply#1 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:42 PM EDT
{"commentId":1939681,"authorDomain":"SVForbes"}

So much for all those doubters who did not believe in unicorns and who insisted they were only a myth.

I say, an intelligent scientist should never say, never.

Definitely a cute critter.

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  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
{"commentId":1939700,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

Dude, when this unicorn can fly, then maybe we will stop being doubters. No one has EVER said that a deer could not be born with one horn, that's not what makes the Unicorn mythological, it's the fact that they are supposed to fly and have magical powers.

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  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
{"commentId":1939789,"authorDomain":"jasobriquet"}

Unicorns don't fly, that's a Pegasus. And as for the magical powers...that's the unicorn's horn, not the unicorn itself.

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#1.3 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:47 PM EDT
{"commentId":1940909,"authorDomain":"cyregray"}

yesterday front page 'monkeys that know how to fish', today its 'unicorns are real'...

what will it be tomorrow?

all must be honky dory in the world lately. just don't look past the front page.

Disturbing that newsvine seems to be effected by mainstreams desire to avoid serious news. It seems just another arm of the octopus keeping people under-informed.

God Forbid we cover news that matters and stick that on the front page... oh like the president of the USA having thirty-five articles of impeachment thrown at him. Or how about the deliberate defamation and targetting of Venezula and Chavez using shoddy 'evidence' and blatant lies?

I mean - our world is on fire and they're blabbering about 'unicorns'? ::sigh::

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#1.4 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:08 PM EDT
{"commentId":1941192,"authorDomain":"SuperUnspecial"}

I'll bet eating that horn will cure ED for good. Hypothetically, I might have a friend with $50k to spare. Hypothetically, how much unicorn horn would this buy for my friend? And does anyone know of a dealer for my, ahh, friend?

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#1.5 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
{"commentId":1941308,"authorDomain":"MissDev"}

I think you're giving Viners too little credit. Just because the main article on the front page is about this "unicorn" doesn't mean that's the only thing we look at. And the article about the president having 35 articles brought against him is on the front page.

Yes, this is fluff. Yes, there are thousands of stories out there more "important" than this one. But those of us here who have an iota of intelligence browse the Vine to find stories of importance that interest us. But I bet a lot of people would never have even noticed a story about this deer without it being on the front page.

We're an intelligent group, give us the credit we deserve.

(By the way - if you think it's so worthless, why did you click on it, thus promoting it as news we care about?)

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#1.6 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:06 PM EDT
{"commentId":1941354,"authorDomain":"eriktheread"}

When I've been at it debating the welfare state, war and occupation, impeachment, super powerful gamma rays and the price of oil, I really need a bit of light relief: Bring on the unicorns!

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  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
{"commentId":1941561,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

I don't know that this is fluff anyway. Those interested in mutations and genetics and science would find this to be really interesting.

Personally, I'm bored of the sort of political crap-fest that dominates the front page anyway, much of it filled with worthless commentary by the masses.

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  • 10 votes
#1.8 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:46 PM EDT
{"commentId":1941660,"authorDomain":"ljshelhamer"}

I can see the tape holding it on!

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  • 1 vote
#1.9 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:03 PM EDT
{"commentId":1941693,"authorDomain":"darrellgrey-1"}

Cat Lady, actually you made me go look harder, and if my depth perception is anything, that looks like a weed or flower poking up behind his head from the field.

Edit: Or not. I don't know anything.

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#1.10 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:09 PM EDT
{"commentId":1944329,"authorDomain":"phaedrus72"}

Brian, we agree again, we can't have that, now can we?

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  • 2 votes
#1.11 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:13 AM EDT
{"commentId":1946214,"authorDomain":"ljshelhamer"}

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_deer

Guess what dudes, and it's not good. If you look at the photo of a different Roe Deer in the velvet and then look at this one you can see that the antlers on Roe Deer are very closely set. This is not a one antlered deer, it is a one antlered deer. One fell off!

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#1.12 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:47 AM EDT
{"commentId":1946768,"authorDomain":"Andimia"}
This is not a one antlered deer, it is a one antlered deer.

what?

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#1.13 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
{"commentId":1947083,"authorDomain":"ljshelhamer"}

This is not a deer that has grown one antler in the center of it's head, it is a normal deer who has lost the second antler. The remaining antler is positioned properly for a normal deer. The normal placement for these antlers is together at the center of the head. You can see that the one remaining antler is slightly off center which is the normal placement.

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#1.14 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
{"commentId":1947145,"authorDomain":"tigerblade"}

Without closer inspection, it's still fair to say it's a possibility that the deer was born this way. Because the antlers don't grow in until later, we may not know what happened, but it could go either way. It could just as easily be a broken/missing antler as it's been a single antler along.

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#1.15 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
{"commentId":1947312,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

Frankly, I don't buy the "lost an antler" argument. Wouldn't there be some evidence if that were the case? It's no mean feat to lose an antler, after all. If you're basing your argument on one picture, I don't feel you've enough evidence to proclaim with such certainty that it simply "lost" an antler.

I also disagree that the placement looks "natural" based on the other pictures in your link.

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#1.16 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:54 PM EDT
{"commentId":1947731,"authorDomain":"MissDev"}

In the article it says that the deer was born in captivity and observed to have only one horn where its twin had two. This isn't a deer that was observed once with what looks like one antler - it's a year-old deer that they know only has one antler.

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#1.17 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:39 PM EDT
{"commentId":1947839,"authorDomain":"ljshelhamer"}

If the faun had an injury early in life, that may suppress the growth of the other antler. It will be interesting to see if the animals grows two next year. I still think that it is a double antlered animal that has only one.

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#1.18 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:51 PM EDT
{"commentId":1948648,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

Cat Lady --
With all due respect I think you are wrong. The horn does look dead center to me, not offset. And you will notice from the Wikipedia pic that the normal 2 antlers grow AWAY from each other, while this deer's horn grows straight up.
So possilbly we will get some followup pics on this deer as it grows, and maybe there will be other views besides this head-on shot. Who knows, maybe the glue will soften in the summer heat and the horn falls off, you never know. Meanwhile, we are having fun fantasizing, thank you.

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#1.19 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
{"commentId":1948701,"authorDomain":"ljshelhamer"}

The reason why I think that it is one of two antlers is because of the build up on the left side of the horn which would be where the two horns would have touched. I have no idea if I am correct, these are just my observations. Also, I raise sheep and am familiar with the growth of horns. Unlike many of our viners, I never care much about being right or wrong. I just love discussing things and occasionally love to see somebody get really worked up (I have horns, too! HA) It will be interesting to see what it looks like when it falls off.

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#1.20 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:25 PM EDT
{"commentId":1956846,"authorDomain":"Andimia"}

there is some footage of the deer here. The video isn't very good because of the grass.

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#1.21 - Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:43 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1939367,"authorDomain":"james-pitman"}

Wow I have got to show this one around the office.

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  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
{"commentId":1939407,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

Awww, what a cutie pie and great one to share!! Clipped to every place where cuteness counts! :~)

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Reply#3 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:51 PM EDT
{"commentId":1944792,"authorDomain":"tamh"}

Absolutely Pamela! And it does count in so many ways :)

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#3.1 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:56 AM EDT
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{"commentId":1939456,"authorDomain":"stevehouse"}

Dude! Find another one and make them breed, and we will be known as the generation that created unicorns!

Excellent thing to find right after a "how is the economy effecting you" article.

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Reply#4 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:57 PM EDT
{"commentId":1941665,"authorDomain":"ljshelhamer"}

Horn deformities are not uncommon. Taking a picture and putting it on line is. Most real hunters don't have computers. They spend all of their time in the woods.

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#4.1 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:04 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1939585,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}

Pretty cool, makes me smile.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:16 PM EDT
{"commentId":1946180,"authorDomain":"ljshelhamer"}

It is one of the coolest things yet!

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  • 2 votes
#5.1 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:42 AM EDT
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{"commentId":1939590,"authorDomain":"the-lacky"}

Cute deer, but this little guy doesn't have a single horn, he has a single *antler*. I'm quite surprised that the experts quoted in this article refer to the antler as a horn, since the two are very different structures.

Although horns & antlers are aesthetically similar, and often serve a similar purpose, their are significant differences between the two.

Deer - as well as moose & elk to name a few others - have antlers, which are made up of bone. Antlers are shed in the autumn and are grown new each spring. As deer age, they grow larger antlers each season, although once past their prime, the antlers of old deer tend to regrow smaller.

Horns on the other hand, are modified hair follicles. Animals such as goats & mountain sheep grow horns. Horns remain on, and continue to grow on the animals their entire lives.

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Reply#6 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:17 PM EDT
{"commentId":1940566,"authorDomain":"MissDev"}

Good call.

And this deer will shed its antler, and I'm sure that there are people out there who will want to get their hands on it thinking that it might have magical powers.

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#6.1 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1939690,"authorDomain":"SVForbes"}
Cute deer, but this little guy doesn't have a single horn, he has a single *antler

Party pooper. ;-) :-)

Technically that is accurate.

Still, most people would describe it as a horn.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
{"commentId":1939802,"authorDomain":"josephknight"}

It's just a genetic flaw; it's not as if they discovered a breeding population of unicorns.

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Reply#8 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
{"commentId":1940689,"authorDomain":"eriktheread"}

We all know that, Don't spoil it, we're having a bit of fun here. Remember "the suspension of disbelief"?

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  • 3 votes
#8.1 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
{"commentId":1942168,"authorDomain":"josephknight"}

No, I don't.

Why does the media persistently blow all things scientific out of proportion? I think they have fun feeding factoids to the proles (metaphorical proles of course).

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  • 2 votes
#8.2 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1939833,"authorDomain":"danish"}

Dude. Isn't the unicorn supposed to be some sort of horse? As I recall it, Artemis had a deer, but it had golden hoofs and antlers. Someone e-mail me when they find that one. Or at least get a bit closer, such as a horse with golden hoofs.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#9 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
{"commentId":1940113,"authorDomain":"SVForbes"}

Unicorn only only means one horn ... uni...corn:

There are a lot of myths associated with it.

unicorn Look up unicorn at Dictionary.com c.1225, from O.Fr. unicorne, from L.L. unicornus (Vulgate), from noun use of L. unicornis (adj.) "having one horn," from uni- "one" (see uni-) + cornus "horn" (see horn). The L.L. word translates Gk. monoceros, itself rendering Heb. re'em, which was probably a kind of wild ox. According to Pliny, a creature with a horse's body, deer's head, elephant's feet, lion's tail, and one black horn two cubits long projecting from its forehead. Cf. Ger. Einhorn, Welsh ungorn, Bret. uncorn, O.C.S. ino-rogu.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=u&p=6

Medieval knowledge of the fabulous beast stemmed from biblical and ancient sources, and the creature was variously represented as a kind of wild ass, goat, or horse.

and

In heraldry, a unicorn is depicted as a horse with a goat's cloven hooves and beard, a lion's tail, and a slender, spiral horn on its forehead.

more:

The Japanese kirin is depicted as a bearded one-antlered deer.

More:

The connection that is sometimes made with a single-horned goat derives from the vision of Daniel:

And as I was considering, behold, a he-goat came from the west over the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. Daniel 8:5

In the domestic goat, a rare deformity of the generative tissues can cause the horns to be joined together[citation needed]; such an animal could be another possible inspiration for the legend.

more:

In Southern Africa the eland has somewhat mystical or spiritual connotations, perhaps at least partly because this very large antelope will defend itself against lions, and is able to kill these fearsome predators. Eland are very frequently depicted in the rock art of the region, which implies that they were viewed as having a strong connection to the other world, and in several languages the word for eland and for dance is the same; significant because shamans used dance as their means of drawing power from the other world. Eland fat was used when mixing the pigments for these pictographs, and in the preparation of many medicines.

This special regard for the eland may well have been picked up by early travellers. In the area of Cape Town one horned eland are known to occur naturally, perhaps as the result of a recessive gene,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicorn

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#9.1 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:32 PM EDT
{"commentId":1940405,"authorDomain":"danish"}

Thanks Shaun,

That is useful information. Do you like hand shadows? Try to imagine what animal I am depicting.

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#9.2 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
{"commentId":1940475,"authorDomain":"eriktheread"}

I vaguely recall Julius Caesar mentioning the unicorn among the fauna of Gallia. He didn't claim to have seen one, though. I say, good thing this unicorn isn't a moose, not nearly as cute.

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#9.3 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
{"commentId":1940848,"authorDomain":"SVForbes"}
I say, good thing this unicorn isn't a moose, not nearly as cute.

She is a cute one.

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#9.4 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
{"commentId":1943413,"authorDomain":"proudinfidel"}

Wow Shaun. That is great information, thank you for that. : )

I will stick to my fantasy of my Unicorn/Pegasus the beautiful mythical creatures that they are. We can still dream cant we? I hope so.

Great article. I so needed a break from Politics and other things.. : )

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#9.5 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:08 PM EDT
{"commentId":1949359,"authorDomain":"SVForbes"}
Wow Shaun. That is great information, thank you for that. : )

Thanks, Anna. I am glad you liked the information.

We can still dream cant we? I hope so.

Yes we can and should, IMO.

I so needed a break from Politics and other things.. : )

I totally resonate.

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#9.6 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1939856,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

I put this in the same file with the e-coli bacteria suddenly being able to process citrate.
We might keep an informal tab on new mutations or evolutionary changes in any life form.
Yes, he is a cute lil fella, tho he will probably shed the horn-antler this fall. Might be interesting to see if the unicorn horn changes as he grows older, wouldn't it?
And I would also keep a sharp eye out for a unicorn horn on eBay this fall. (real and fakes)

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  • 6 votes
Reply#10 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
{"commentId":1939877,"authorDomain":"cartoonmohammed"}
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{"commentId":1939958,"authorDomain":"joegrind"}

On it's way to Candy Mountain no doubt.

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Reply#12 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:11 PM EDT
{"commentId":1940048,"authorDomain":"dungbeetlemania"}

What an odd little video, and it's got over 9 million views.

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#12.1 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
{"commentId":1940371,"authorDomain":"tigerblade"}

SHUN! Shun the unbeliever!

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#12.2 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1940747,"authorDomain":"simon-says"}

Now we only need to find those dragons that are hidden under London. :D

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Reply#13 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:50 PM EDT
{"commentId":1940830,"authorDomain":"adamkemp"}

One step closer to finding the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

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Reply#14 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
{"commentId":1941226,"authorDomain":"Andimia"}

it's so cute!

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Reply#15 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:51 PM EDT
{"commentId":1941404,"authorDomain":"defex"}

If thats a male deer he could win a lot of fights and get to breed. Maybe a mutation like this happened before. giving rise to the myth.

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Reply#16 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:23 PM EDT
{"commentId":1941702,"authorDomain":"caroleroach"}

Wow! This has made my day - what a cutipie. Genetically speaking what would the chances of a single horned animal, mating with a two horned animal, coming up with another single? Is it 50/50?

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Reply#17 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:10 PM EDT
{"commentId":1942180,"authorDomain":"josephknight"}
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{"commentId":1942258,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

In other words, Carole, Joseph doesn't know either, apparently.

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#17.2 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:34 PM EDT
{"commentId":1942326,"authorDomain":"josephknight"}

The answer is yes; I said "duh" didn't I?

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#17.3 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:48 PM EDT
{"commentId":1942389,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

Sorry, as I haven't been in the 7th grade for about 18 years, now -- I'm a bit hazy on the exact meaning of the phrase "duh".

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#17.4 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:59 PM EDT
{"commentId":1942474,"authorDomain":"eriktheread"}

I don't know what it means either, Brian. I think it's the sound of sudden realization, but that's just my guess. Let's see what comes by way of explanation.

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#17.5 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:16 PM EDT
{"commentId":1946901,"authorDomain":"Andimia"}
Genetically speaking what would the chances of a single horned animal, mating with a two horned animal, coming up with another single? Is it 50/50?

It depends on the genetic makeup of the deer it mates with. Think of it in a punnitt square formula for genotype. The single horned deer has two recessive genes for that horn mutation. If it mates with a deer that is a carrier of the gene for the single horn then it would be a 50% chance that one of the deer's children would have the single horn (but it would also need to be male to see the genes expressed) If the deer that it mates with is not a carrier of the mutation then none of the children will be born with a single horn. 100% of it's children would at least be a carrier of the gene but it would require them to mate with another carrier of the gene to have a 25% chance of having a one-horned child.

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#17.6 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
{"commentId":1947095,"authorDomain":"ljshelhamer"}

It is not a single horned (antlered) animal. See above.

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#17.7 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
{"commentId":1947325,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

I think you're wrong. See above.

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#17.8 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
{"commentId":1947768,"authorDomain":"MissDev"}

@Andimia - Thanks for that! Assuming we follow the single horn alleles and they do indeed fall under a straight dominant/recessive pattern... how about the placement in the center of the head? Is that simply a physical anomaly, or do you think that, too could be genetic? If so, I wonder if it would be hypothetically possible to breed "unicorn" deer?

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#17.9 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
{"commentId":1948327,"authorDomain":"dungbeetlemania"}

This all depends on how many genes control the central placement of the horn. If it's more than one, or there are more than 2 alleles per gene, then the percentages change. It's not really possible to tell without breeding with this one, so let's do that!

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#17.10 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
{"commentId":1948336,"authorDomain":"caroleroach"}

Thank you so much for that link, I will have to study it Andimia.

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    #17.11 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1956760,"authorDomain":"Andimia"}

    yeah, I just kept with the a single allele theory because I didn't want to put too much effort into it. I used to want to be a botanical geneticist, among other things.

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    #17.12 - Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1972726,"authorDomain":"dungbeetlemania"}

    Andimia, I studied genetics in my undergrad years, and while I took zoology further it is actually the genetics of plants that is more interesting than the genetics of animals. Although in so many ways the fungi are cooler than the other two :)

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    #17.13 - Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:12 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":1941704,"authorDomain":"eriktheread"}

    That animal is stuffed, it hasn't blinked once during the whole video.

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    Reply#18 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:11 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1947850,"authorDomain":"ljshelhamer"}

    It might have two asses as well!

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    #18.1 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:53 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1948559,"authorDomain":"joegrind"}

    HahaHaha, wait...what?

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    #18.2 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":1942223,"authorDomain":"mhwolk"}

    I always believed.

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    Reply#19 - Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:26 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1944320,"authorDomain":"idlewordship"}

    Deer me! Horny little fellah ain't he?

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    Reply#20 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:05 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1944701,"authorDomain":"babt2007"}
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    {"commentId":1948681,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

    Not meaning to undo everything I have said before, but it is possible to interfere with the natural horn buds so that they grow together -- this has been done with the goat that is promoted as a unicorn with the Barnum & Bailey(?) circus. And the fact that this is not a wild roe deer but one in captivity makes it look a teeny bit suspicious. The place could be looking to amp up admissions attendance.
    Time will tell.

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    Reply#22 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:23 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1984780,"authorDomain":"ljshelhamer"}

    If they are doing it to promote their business, a zoo type where people always gain respect for animals and nature, then it is indeed a unicorn!

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      #22.1 - Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:59 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":1949856,"authorDomain":"darkknightjrk"}

      Glorious! Now let's find the magic inside it and find a way for it to SPREAD!

      I want to fly like Peter Pan with magical unicorn dust goddamnit!

      ...

      Stop looking at me like that!

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      Reply#23 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:36 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1954735,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

      Well, I was looking at you with giddy admiration...but I'll stop if you say so.

      Excuse me while I go have a tea party with the faeries.

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      #23.1 - Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":1950284,"authorDomain":"niafabo"}

      now that is adorable

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        Reply#24 - Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1954779,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

        Unless this photo was taken by a virgin...

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        Reply#25 - Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:00 AM EDT
        {"commentId":2016839,"authorDomain":"dbourdeau"}

        This deer is so sweet!!

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          Reply#26 - Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:09 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":10664081,"authorDomain":"mike-101"}

          It is common knowledge among some that when a horned animal is very young the horn buds are not affixed to the skull bone and can be MOVED or REMOVED. This is how Lancellot the Unicorn Goat was made in the 70's. Sometimes this may occur naturally although it would be quite rare.

          http://www.lair2000.net/Unicorn_Dreams/Unicorns_Man_Made/unicorns_man_made.html

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