Might Obama's success undercut affirmative action?

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WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's political success might claim an unintended victim: affirmative action, a much-debated policy he supports.

Already weakened by several court rulings and state referendums, affirmative action now confronts a challenge to its very reason for existing. If Americans make a black person the leading contender for president, as nationwide polls suggest, how can racial prejudice be so prevalent and potent that it justifies special efforts to place minorities in coveted jobs and schools?

"The primary rationale for affirmative action is that America is institutionally racist and institutionally sexist," said Ward Connerly, the leader of state-by-state efforts to end what he and others consider policies of reverse discrimination. "That rationale is undercut in a major way when you look at the success of Senator Clinton and Senator Obama." Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York battled Obama to the end of the Democratic primary process.

Other critics of affirmative action agree. "Obama is further evidence that the great majority of Americans reject discrimination, reject prejudice," said Todd F. Gaziano, a scholar at the conservative Heritage Foundation and a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.

Not so fast, say supporters of affirmative action. Just because Barack Obama, Oprah Winfrey and other minorities have reached the top of their professions does not mean that ordinary blacks, Latinos or women are free from day-to-day biases that deny them equal access to top schools or jobs, they say.

As affirmative action's power has diminished, minority enrollment has fallen at many prominent colleges, said Gary Orfield, an authority on the subject at the University of California, Los Angeles.

"If people get the impression from Obama's success that the racial problems of this country have been solved, that would be very sad," Orfield said. "In some ways we have moved backwards" in recent years, he said.

Wade Henderson, head of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, said, "Exceptions don't make the rule."

"By any measure, Obama and Clinton are clearly exceptional individuals," he said. "When you really examine the masses of Americans, especially women and people of color, you still find incredible disparities," which justify the continuation of affirmative action programs.

Obama, who asks voters neither to support nor oppose him on the basis of his race, has dealt gently with affirmative action. He says his two young daughters have enjoyed great advantages and therefore should not receive special consideration because of their race.

"On the other hand," he said in an April debate, "if there's a young white person who has been working hard, struggling, and has overcome great odds, that's something that should be taken into account" by people such as college admission officers.

"So I still believe in affirmative action as a means of overcoming both historic and potentially current discrimination," Obama said. "But I think that it can't be a quota system and it can't be something that is simply applied without looking at the whole person, whether that person is black, or white, or Hispanic, male or female."

Tucker Bounds, spokesman for Republican presidential candidate John McCain, said McCain's commitment to equal opportunity "means aggressively enforcing our nation's anti-discrimination laws."

"It also means rejecting affirmative action plans and quotas that give weight to one group of Americans at the expense of another," Bounds said. "Plans that result in quotas, where such plans have not been judicially created to remedy a specific, proven act of discrimination, only result in more discrimination."

Affirmative action, a term coined in the early 1960s, is a loosely defined set of policies meant to help rectify discrimination based on race, religion, sex or national origin. It quickly proved controversial, especially in the public arena, as some white males alleged they were losing government jobs and public university admissions to less qualified minorities and women.

The Supreme Court ruled 30 years ago that universities could use race as one factor in choosing applicants, but it banned quotas. Subsequent court decisions placed more restrictions on affirmative action, and Connerly and others launched ballot initiatives that virtually crippled it in some states.

In 1996, California voters passed Proposition 209, pushed by Connerly. It bars all government institutions from giving preferential treatment to people based on race or gender, and particularly affects college admissions and government contracts. Similar measures passed in Michigan and Washington state. Connerly hopes to have versions on the ballots this fall in Colorado, Nebraska and Arizona.

The erosion of affirmative action is forcing colleges and other institutions to seek new ways of pursuing diversity, with mixed results.

"What had been a national policy is being dismantled, state by state," University of Washington President Mark A. Emmert wrote in the Christian Science Monitor last year. He said his campus has learned that it still can "ensure diversity and access to higher education, particularly by taking socio-economic factors into account."

While Emmert laments the erosion of affirmative action, others say it is overdue. It's great if Obama's success hastens the process, they say, but previous achievements by blacks in business, government, entertainment and other fields already have undermined the argument that racial discrimination is rampant.

Defenders of affirmative action cite continuing disparities between blacks and whites in areas such as income, education achievement, health care and incarceration rates. These disparities, however, "have roots in problems that are not addressed by affirmative action," said Abigail Thernstrom, a Manhattan Institute senior fellow and vice chair of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.

They are complex, deep-seated factors that put many minority children behind their peers as early as kindergarten, she said. In confronting such challenges, she said, "racial preferences don't solve anything."

To some extent, Obama agrees that affirmative action is poorly suited to address such problems. But it still is needed, he says.

"Affirmative action is an important tool, although a limited tool," Obama told National Public Radio last year.

"I say limited simply because a large portion of our young people right now never even benefit from affirmative action because they're not graduating from high school," he said. "And unless we do a better job with early childhood education, fixing crumbling schools, investing to make sure that we've got an excellent teacher in front of every classroom, and then making college affordable, we're not even going to reach the point where our children can benefit from affirmative action."

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On the Net:

U.S. Commission on Civil Rights: http://www.usccr.gov

American Civil Rights Institute: http://www.acri.org

Civil Rights Coalition: http://www.civilrights.org/

American Association for Affirmative Action: http://www.affirmativeaction.org

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{"commentId":2071744,"authorDomain":"Rixar13"}

If Obama supports affirmative action, so do I, White boy from Maine. Recent actions for the last 7 1/2 years are suspect, all actions.

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Reply#1 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:11 AM EDT
{"commentId":2071765,"authorDomain":"muckingfess"}

Affirmative action, if not dying, should be. It was originally a good idea, to give equality to those that were discriminated against. It was necessary at that time.

Unfortunately, it is an experiment gone bad. Those it was designed to help, it ultimately hurt. It took away drive and motivation. The entitlement mindset began to run rampant. Now Obama is saying we need to educate earlier. Soon we will have to educate in the womb. This leads us in a vicious cycle to educating the parents, pre-conception. Success and opportunity cannot be granted, they must be earned.

"Affirmative action is an important tool, although a limited tool," Obama told National Public Radio last year.

"I say limited simply because a large portion of our young people right now never even benefit from affirmative action because they're not graduating from high school," he said. "And unless we do a better job with early childhood education, fixing crumbling schools, investing to make sure that we've got an excellent teacher in front of every classroom, and then making college affordable, we're not even going to reach the point where our children can benefit from affirmative action."

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Reply#2 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:18 AM EDT
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muckingfess,...My response differs. I think that for many, the days of affirmative action are past. Adults have moved to a more level playing field. Honestly I can't think of a position that has been denied a person of color. That's more stable. For some time people have been hiring on the basisof qualification.

I disagree that too much money is being spent on early education. Hyperbolic perhaps, but I think preschool teachers deserve better pay than college teachers. I know that in this status based economy that won't happen. My reason is that any edifice must have a good foundation.
In dysfunctional families, children often do not receive the attention they deserve. This means that the behavioral re-enforcement necessary for educational growth is lacking. The youngsters of any color, in a crisis home will exhibit the nature of early trauma. For this reason, I feel that the classroom as surrogate for parental guidance becomes a determinate. Screwed up family, screwed up kids. It is most important that the problems that develop later are interrupted earlier by skilled school-based intervention. The classroom offers the space for growth without trauma.

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#2.1 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:21 AM EDT
{"commentId":2075736,"authorDomain":"CCS"}

Affirmative Action is a good idea gone bad. It's use hasn't passed because equality is more common. It's use has passed because it's created generations of people who are completely dependent and incapable of lifting themselves above their current level.

If Obama's success causes a hit to affirmative action, it will expose a lot of lawmakers as ignorant people. If they truly believe that one black man becoming President means we've all "arrived", they're crazy.

I agree that education and socioeconomic status and eventual success aren't as connected as stories in the media try to make it seem. But school can add a little help where parents drop off, no matter the race of the child.

That's another reason to support Obama: he always reminds parents that they are also accountable. They can't just send their kids to school and hope the system will turn them into sufficient adults. There has to be accountability on all levels, not just the government, or educators, or parents.

America seems to have forgot to include family values in the so-called American Dream.

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#2.2 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:40 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2071791,"authorDomain":"SepticSkeptic"}

My take on it is to look at socioeconomic factors, rather than race and gender, when it comes to schools. Give scholarships based on both merit and need. Hey, if your pool of poor smart kids is predominantly non-white, so be it. I just want that help going to the kids who need it the most and will do the most with it.

When it comes to jobs, uh-uh. No consideration at all other than the qualifications of the potential employee. If I own stock in your company, I want the best qualified people you can find working for you, so I get the best possible return on my investment. Business is war, and I don't see a lot of other countries hiring for diversity. The only rational thing to do is take the guy with the most potential to succeed, it doesn't matter if he's black, yellow, white, red, or green with purple polka-dots. Work is not a social program, the exception being fast food joints that hire mentally disabled people to sweep floors. If I apply for a job with ten other people, I don't want to get the job based on English oppression of Scottish people way back when, I want to look those other ten in the eye and say I'm better than them.

The Army doesn't promote you to sergeant based on the color of your skin (well, not since the 60s, anyway), why the hell should anyone else? If we can go from full-blown racism to full-blown color-blindness virtually overnight, what the hell is taking the rest of you guys so long?

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Reply#3 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:26 AM EDT
{"commentId":2071858,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

SepticSkeptic: When two class parties endlessly finance war, aggression, occupation, and are conspiring to lie us into a third war, war crime, with the participation of Israeli Zionists, you can forget about domestic policies, as this country is already broken financially over the complicit criminal role which two worthelss parties have taken us into. The Kyle Lieberman resolution, and this recent resolution for illegal military blockade, a war crime itself, was supported by 96 democrrats, liberal war hawks and Zionists, who are determined to bloody the whole Middle East region. The money for domestic programs will lie in the carnage of this stupidity, and lunatics of both idiotic parties.

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#3.1 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:49 AM EDT
{"commentId":2071869,"authorDomain":"asergeantsmom"}

I tend to agree that credentials, merit, skills, and ability must be considered above other factors in employment, looking at the whole person; at the same time paying close attention to fairness and opportunity.

Good points.

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#3.2 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:53 AM EDT
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{"commentId":2071824,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

Who cares. Obama has capitulated, the democratic party has capitulated to all the imperial, conservative policies, especially foreign policies, being a junior partner in the aggression of Iran.

Obama has sold out to the yahoos, liberal war hawks, neocons, Zionists, and the democratic party, now three times in their majority have agreed to carry on another war crime against Iran, using the same lies, same illegal sanctions, to justify this fascism.

Don't think that the alternative press has not noticed, even though the corporate media pretends not to see or hear. They are after all complicit in the selections of corporate candidates, like Hillary and Obama, and McCain as it is a win win situation for their imperial, corporate, fascist policies Capitulation is Obama's last name, and he is a disgrace for pandering to the Israeli warmongering lobby, and right wing Cuban Nazis who the right wing services.

If you don't think this is true, here are the links: http://www.truthout.org/article/congress-still-corrupt-and-useless http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/06/27/9928/

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Reply#4 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:37 AM EDT
{"commentId":2073538,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}

There you go again.

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#4.1 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:16 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2071997,"authorDomain":"lpwillham"}

Somewhat "ironic" that Obama is the afirmative action nominee of the democratic party. Clearly not the most qualified candidate, but 'selected" by superdelegates under pressure from the liberal left wing of the party to "do the right thing". Unfortunately selecting Obama means we will lose in November.

But not because of his skin color, but because he's not qualified , nor has the jusgement to be president and as a result moderate Democrats will not vote for him.

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Reply#5 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:31 AM EDT
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#5.1 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2072399,"authorDomain":"joebobattacks"}

I believe this article to be incorrect. Obama does not support affirmative action and he has vocally said so. That was one of the reasons he had a hard time w/ black voters in the beginning of the primary.

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Reply#6 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:47 AM EDT
{"commentId":2072456,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

Joe Bob:

Thanks for pointing out that no one seems to know what Obama's positions really are. As a wishy washy liberal, moving towards conservative, illibleral positions, we get tweedel dee and tweedle dum again the whole shell game that corporate power brokers alwasy win. They win either way.
Corporate and imperial interests over a foolish nation of voters, who just cannot see that class ideologies, class liberals, neocon class cheerleaders do not represent working and middle class parties.

We must have our own social ideology, social party that in fact is a real opposition party and not a party of capitulationists, appeasers, and corporate class interests.

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#6.1 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:58 AM EDT
{"commentId":2073564,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}

Affirmative Action
# Apply affirmative action to poor white college applicants. (Apr 2008)
# Fight job discrimination to give women equal footing at jobs. (Feb 2008)
# Remove discriminatory barriers to the right to vote. (Feb 2008)
# Benefited from affirmative action but overcame via merit. (Dec 2007)
# Include class-based affirmative action with race-based. (Oct 2007)
# Better enforce women's pay equity via Equal Pay Act. (Aug 2007)
# Blacks should infiltrate mainstream to affect change. (Aug 2007)
# African-Americans vote Democratic because of issue stances. (Jul 2004)
# Supports affirmative action in colleges and government. (Jul 1998)
Source

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#6.2 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2073571,"authorDomain":"sensico"}

Well Obama doesn't support affirmative action the way it is now and he said before that he wants to change it so that it goes buy income, that way poor whites males will be included in the mix. As a white women affirmative action rocks. But, it does need to include people based on income. Because right african americans and rich white women (by the way the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action), should not get a free ride.

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Reply#7 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
{"commentId":2076977,"authorDomain":"kalika-h"}

I agree with you. I made sure I furthered my education (which I paid for with loans), so that no one will be able to say another person is more qualified. I think us Blacks need to further our education. Become entrepeneurs. I think we have come a long way since the 60s where you needed affirmative action. I guess it's hard for me to say, because all of my jobs had a high concentration of Blacks. I went to a predominately white school, and I don't feel I was there because of my skin color but my grades.

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    #7.1 - Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:46 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":2076571,"authorDomain":"bluecollarbytes"}

    Have no fear, there's absolutely no reason to think Obama will do anything other than continue to divide as he conquers. The poverty industry, racial-pimping, and Encouraging Americans to separate themselves from America-the whole-into smaller and smaller self-interest groups has been fundamental Democrat doctrine since the rebellious kids of the 60s grew up into the new Democrat establishment of today. They're simply not happy till everyone's as pissed off as they are.

    Obama's past may be a mystery wrapped up in revision, but his politics are pure old-time 60s Leftism all polished up. He's not about to turn his back on the failed Liberal policies of the past when his support derives from the same suspects who've been pushing them on us up to this very day.

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      Reply#8 - Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:10 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2076970,"authorDomain":"seah5"}

      Mr Obama has a solemn vow to the Black People, That is a given. If he is elected President they get their reparations That is already write out. With Jessie Jackson on the right, Al sharpton on the left, and Rev Wright coming down the middle. It is Guaranteed.

      He is just trying to win votes With his present stance on politics, he is never stable on anything why should he be stable about this.

      He needs more than the black and minority votes to win. He is going after the white working class. Reason for his coming out of the closet with his white half.

      It is fun to watch him. He is such a scam artist.

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      Reply#9 - Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:45 AM EDT
      {"commentId":2077042,"authorDomain":"kalika-h"}

      When people criticize Obama it is always some over the top dilusion. What is White people so afraid of. Obama never hid his other half. You can see it in his family photos. Not every Black person believes in reperations. You would have to tie every Black person to slavery. Since most Blacks can't trace their family tree back farther than great great, I don't see how this will happen. I don't need a hand out. I just need for my family to secure, financially, physically, and mentally. He will be the President of America. Not President of Men. Not President of Blacks. Not President of Bi-racial people. Did you feel the same when there was a Catholic in office? Did that President make a solemn vow to all Catholics.? How about a Protestant? How about the President with a mustache? Did he make a solemn vow to people with mustaches? What about the President who served in the military? Did he make a solemn vow to only those who served in the military? What about the blue eyed president? Fat? Short? Tanned? I make these crazy senerios to show you how paranoid your statements are. And if you looked at the primaries, you would see that he has the white working class.

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        #9.1 - Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:58 AM EDT
        {"commentId":2078729,"authorDomain":"sensico"}

        i agree with gingernaps (cute name) but this is going over the top. everyone knows that reparations will not be on obama's agenda ever. Plus why is this writer so scared of obama? because he ignorant and stupid. Probably some guy who has never been out in the real world where we have moved on. I just want to add that Obama is biracial, half white and half black now why would he do anything to hurt half of himself. Obama is a great person and its ashame that all the attacks against him are race based and not something else like .. policy. Lets stay on the issues people.

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          #9.2 - Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:27 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":2091827,"authorDomain":"thomaspaineaz"}

          Barack Obama was hand picked to end America's "Negro Problem". Also, Obama will put a black face on the upcoming chapters of the 21st century Arab-American and Persian-American Oil Wars.

          Additionally, Obama will be able to sell to America reinstating the military draft. Lastly, as a constitutional professor, Obama can abrade our constitutional rights, with less public decent.

          God help us all.

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