Gen. Clark won't back off critique of McCain

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WASHINGTON — Retired Gen. Wesley Clark rejected suggestions he apologize Tuesday for saying John McCain's medal-winning military service does not qualify him for the White House. Elaborating, Clark said a president must have judgment, not merely courage and character.

Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential hopeful, said Clark's comments had been inartful. McCain said Obama should go further than that.

"I think the time has come for Sen. Obama to not just repudiate Gen. Clark, but to cut him loose," McCain said en route to Colombia.

One ally of the Republican presidential contender accused Obama of "winking and nodding" when he should be condemning Clark and his comments. "This is now about Obama, not Wesley Clark," added Orson Swindle on a conference call with reporters organized by the McCain's campaign.

Swindle, a retired colonel and — like McCain — prisoner of war in Vietnam, added that Obama should tell his surrogates to "knock this crap off."

Clark set off the controversy Sunday when he said McCain's wartime experience as a Navy pilot and his command of an air squadron in peacetime did not provide him with experience needed to become president.

"I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president," he added at the time.

McCain frequently emphasizes his military service as he campaigns for the White House.

Obama, who did not serve in the military, frequently cites his opposition to the 2003 invasion of Iraq as evidence of the judgment needed in a commander in chief.

Despite criticism from Republicans, Clark declined to back down in an interview Tuesday morning with ABC. "The experience that he had as a fighter pilot isn't the same as having been at the highest levels of the military and having to make ... life or death decisions about national, strategic issues," he said.

Asked whether he felt he owed McCain an apology, Clark responded, "I'm very sorry that this has distracted from the message of patriotism that Sen. Obama wants to put out."

Later, in a National Public Radio interview, Clark was asked about his statements in 2004 that Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate, had "heard the thump of enemy mortars. He's seen the flash of tracers" and could lead in a time of war.

"I think that you can always cite a candidate's service in the armed forces as a testimony to his character and his courage. But I don't think early service justifies moving away from looking at a candidate's judgment," he replied.

McCain's campaign responded with its second conference call by surrogates on this subject in two days.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., rebutted Clark's claim by arguing that McCain's years as a prisoner of war and the mistreatment he endured made him uniquely qualified to lead the campaign in the Senate to ban the use of torture in the interrogation of detainees in the war on terror.

"Nobody could have taken the floor and spoken about detainee policy" the same way, Graham added.

Obama, campaigning in Ohio, said he did not believe Clark's intent was the same as critics who four years ago challenged Kerry's account of his own wartime service in Vietnam. The so-called Swift Boat ads are widely blamed by Democrats for playing a role in Kerry's defeat.

"I don't think that Gen. Clark had the same intent as the Swift Boat ads of four years ago. I reject that analogy," Obama said.

He said McCain "deserves the utmost honor and respect for his service to our country."

At the same time, he said his admonishment — in a Monday speech on patriotism — against devaluing McCain's military service had been in early drafts of the speech, and was not added at the last minute in response to Clark.

"The question is why, given all the vast numbers of things that we've got to work on, that would be a top priority of mine," he said. "The fact that somebody on a cable show or on a news show, like Gen. Clark, said something that was inartful about John McCain, I don't think is what is keeping Ohioans up at night," he said.

On Monday, Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said, "Sen. Obama honors and respects Sen. McCain's service, and of course he rejects yesterday's statement by Gen. Clark."

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Associated Press writers Jennifer Loven in Zanesville, Ohio, and Beth Fouhy in Cartagena, Colombia, contributed to this report.

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{"commentId":2093423,"authorDomain":"kingmarty"}

Any one care to wager on how many people will say that Clark is lying for Obama?

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Reply#1 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 10:19 AM EDT
{"commentId":2093486,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}

The same number of people that said Obama was lying about not sending Clark on his behalf. lol

and,

"So I have some appreciation for both levels of command and the qualities it takes at the top. I simply say it's a matter of judgment — experience, yes, it's important. It shows character and courage, but on the other hand there are other ways to show character and courage."

I love this man.

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#1.1 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 10:27 AM EDT
{"commentId":2093668,"authorDomain":"ilpala271"}

The response from McCain's camp: "I reject your reality and substitute my own."

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#1.2 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 10:50 AM EDT
{"commentId":2093778,"authorDomain":"kingmarty"}

Like they really need reality. McCain is a Bush croonie, and they've shown time and time again that facts are meaningless.

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#1.3 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 11:04 AM EDT
{"commentId":2101013,"authorDomain":"dkaz"}

What I don't understand is that if McCain feels he can do a better job as President because of his own POW experience (which I'm really getting tired of hearing about.It's been 2 yrs already), why hasn't he been more active in bringing our soldiers home & getting out of that hell hole. You would think that with what he went through, the last thing he would want is for any other soldier to go through the same thing. Why is he saying the "war" will continue for 100 yrs. If the "war" is going to continue for 100 yrs. then why even be involved. We have our own "war" going on here. We have a "war" on drugs we can't even win. We have a "war" on immigration we can't seem to get a grip on. How about the "war" on poverty. When is that going to end. And why do they call it a "war"? We're not at "war" with Iraq. We got an evil dictator out of power. Why did we stop there? Why didn't we go to Venezuela & get Chavez out of there. That man came on U.S. soil & called our President(not that I'm a fan of Bush) "The Devil." Whether I like Bush or not, he's still our President. And to allow an evil Dictator like Chavez even in America is a slap in the face for every one who is trying to create peace around the world. How about Kim Jong ll. He's a real piece of work.
I don't know what Obama will do if elected, but you can well bet we will be in Iraq & Iran if McCain gets elected & we will lose more kids & more trust from other countries. And General Clark should not apologize for his remarks because that is the way he believes & that's his right as an American. And if McCain wouldn't have been such a lousy pilot in the first place, he wouldn't have ended up a POW. Clark's right. It takes more than a military record to be a good President.

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#1.4 - Wed Jul 2, 2008 12:34 AM EDT
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{"commentId":2094028,"authorDomain":"ceosvcs"}

One must respect the comment of the General, and understand the integrity of Obama other wise we are looking at the mirror image of same old politics.

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Reply#2 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 11:36 AM EDT
{"commentId":2094351,"authorDomain":"FairfaxBrian"}

Clark's right... does being locked up for 5 years mean you can run a country? No. Does it mean you understand the sacrifice of war, and may view it more realistically than Bush? Yes. Does it mean you have some sort of authority when it comes to war? Not really.

Does being 72, after being -- a 2-pack/day smoker for 30 years, in a cage with untreated wounds for 5 years, a multiple-time survivor of melanoma, a hotheaded combative man -- mean that with life expectancy for American Men being 72, we should be surprised you're still alive, and absolutely reject puting you in the most enormously stressful position in the world for four more years? YES.

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Reply#3 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 12:13 PM EDT
{"commentId":2095971,"authorDomain":"dcschuster28"}

McCain has never ever said it did. That is a Clark innuendo and outright fabrication ginned up to try and make McCain into something he's not. McCain (unlike Obama)has a real record of achievement and bi-partisan cooperation to talk about-you know stuff that is important to being the president of the United States. Please, Obama supporters tell just what Obama has in contrast-I'm still waiting for anything that can show obama is a good choice for leader of the free world.

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    #3.1 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2096090,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}
    carol-298145
    McCain has never ever said it did.

    McCain Trumpets Military Experience

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    #3.2 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 3:21 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":2094571,"authorDomain":"mrmajek"}

    This is just the beginning. Others will pop out of the woodwork and speak absolute truths that Obama can't speak. And, as the Repubs cry there wont be much they can do, because the info will be out there...just like their smears. They will get beat at their own game and cry foul the whole time, because they are spoiled little hypocritical scum that prey on the fears and basest instincts of people too rigid to understand the hand being offered them.--I would venture that Obama plays a mean game of chess.

    Gen. Wesley Clark...2 thumbs!!

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    Reply#4 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 12:37 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2095983,"authorDomain":"dcschuster28"}

    Obviously you arent a fan of facts, logic or reasoning.

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      #4.1 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":2094821,"authorDomain":"mark12914"}

      I consider myself a moderate liberal, and I don't have any big issues with Obama's policy positions. But I am having serious trouble getting on board with his leadership.

      1. I read his book, and although the prospect of a President who can write a complete sentence may be refreshing after Bush, it made me uncomfortable to realize that every example story started with, "I remember back in 2005, when…." The book was written in 2006, and he was inaugurated in 2005 into the Senate. That leaves exactly 1 year of Federal government experience to draw upon in writing his credo. And in 2007 he started the usual process of ignoring his job to focus on the campaign. That makes 1-2 years experience! TOTAL! I don't know about you, but that freaks me out a little. We have 300 million people in this country and we can't field a guy with more than 2 years of experience?

      2. Despite positioning himself as an outsider, he seems to be an incredibly fast learner in the worst political practices. He has run negative attacks; he has broken promises (e.g. campaign finance); he is willing to soften the church/state boundary to harvest a few votes from the religious right; he has even flirted with "swiftboating" his opponent – generally regarded as one of the most unpalatable and ugly tactics ever to disgrace American politics. If we have to suffer dirty politics, I prefer the pure elemental form, without the base alloy of hypocrisy.

      If I can't trust his "fresh point of view", and he doesn't have experience, what else is there? Breaking the race barrier is a plus, but I don't think it is enough, when we are talking about placing so much of our future in one man's hands. Besides, the notion of voting for or against someone because of race seems flatly un-American, and low-class.

      McCain has other issues, outside the scope of this comment. I just wanted to say…the more I know Obama, the more worried I am about his likely victory. I hope my misgivings are unfounded.

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        Reply#5 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2095958,"authorDomain":"FairfaxBrian"}

        Hopefully he'll put Hillary on the ticket to offset those concerns. We can't have President McCain - he's literally a walking heart attack!

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        #5.1 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2099170,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

        For the rest of us.

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          #5.2 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 8:28 PM EDT
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          {"commentId":2095941,"authorDomain":"dcschuster28"}

          This Clark fiasco tells me he is out of the running for Obama's veep. He is just a part of the political process where the candidate looks saintly and sanitary while vermin scurry around making dirty rotten innuendo and hissing snotty asides to the media who will print anything remotely slanderous or accusatory. it's the often used tactic of eroding someone's credibility even if it's not true. I'm just waiting for someone from Mccain's side to start doing the same thing. So far, McCain has been terrific in his desire to talk issues and facts and has been practicing good self-control. Personally, I'd love for him to go up and punch Clark in the nose.

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            Reply#6 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 3:05 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2095978,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}

            Clark stated facts...

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            #6.1 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2096003,"authorDomain":"dcschuster28"}

            No facts were presented as to just who McCain states he is as a presidential candidate. McCain has CLEARLY articulated his logical and practical experience as a congressman as the reason for his candidacy. talking about his war experiences in the arena of proven character has (again, logical) merit. Clark in contrast is well, weasely.

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              #6.2 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2096161,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}

              Yes, these facts were presented by Clark:
              McCain:
              * Has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
              * Has traveled all over the world.
              * Hasn't held executive responsibility.
              * The squadron in the Navy that Mr. McCain commanded wasn't a wartime squadron.
              * Hasn't ordered the bombs to fall.

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              #6.3 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2096781,"authorDomain":"mrmajek"}

              yeah...what she said.

              I've never had my logic or reasoning questioned before: If I was a Republican I guess I could cry that it must be a crack against my age.--Hmmm...I'm a vet, I guess that makes me fit to be president.

              MrMajek2016...Arcanebliss, want to be VP?

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              #6.4 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2096947,"authorDomain":"kingmarty"}

              no way majek, i'm a vet and i'm going to run.

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              #6.5 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 4:41 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2097342,"authorDomain":"mark12914"}

              I don't think anyone is accusing Clark of lying. The issue is more of attitude and focus.

              ATTITUDE: When someone serves his country and makes great sacrifice, the appropriate attitude is "thank you." Expressing snide disrespect is inappropriate and low-class, even in the absence of outright lies.

              FOCUS: McCain didn't trumpet these experiences excessively and force a response, but rather Obama's side went out of the way to bring it up in a negative way. It is just a little too calculated to be tasteful. Focus group says people respect McCain's military record, Obama pooh-pooh's it; focus group says evangelicals are questioning McCain, and Obama suddenly starts to emphasize faith in his rhetoric and even policies. Then Obama turns around and claims to be above "politics as usual." Seems to me he could be Professor Emeritus of politics-as-usual. It makes me wonder if he has a sincere position on anything.

              And that is just my honest impression, not agenda-driven spin. In fact, am much closer to being a Democrat than I am to being a Republican.

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                #6.6 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2097748,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}

                McCain has been trumpeting his experiences.

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                #6.7 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 5:51 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2097852,"authorDomain":"superman2001"}

                His campaign has been beating the American people over the head with his "experiences" in the military for over a year now, and ever since 2000, as a matter of fact.

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                #6.8 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 6:01 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2101039,"authorDomain":"dkaz"}

                carol-298145,

                Comment # 6.2

                Cat got you tongue?

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                #6.9 - Wed Jul 2, 2008 12:38 AM EDT
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                {"commentId":2097177,"authorDomain":"jeff7915"}

                Obama himself may have had nothing to do with Clark's comments but those around him certainly did. Clark is the 7th person using this tired old (pun intended) line. (McPeak and Rockefeller are a couple of others). Using his serve in Vietnam and being a POW against him makes no headway in winning votes. McCain is not the one going on national TV and around the country saying vote for me since I was a POW. The Dems are the ones who keep bringing it up to try to keep people from focusing on Obama's many faults.

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                  Reply#7 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 5:00 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":2097275,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}

                  Clark only pointed out truths about McCain and stated that his experience in the military doesn't necessarily qualify him for Commander in Chief. McCain has touted his military experience before as critical to hold such an office.

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                  #7.1 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":2101069,"authorDomain":"jeff7915"}

                  You're right that military experience alone doesn't qualify anyone to be President. However, no one in McCain's camp is saying it does. McCain has actually downplayed his time as a POW. Plus, it's already been said on Obama's behalf by 6 people before Clark.

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                    #7.2 - Wed Jul 2, 2008 12:44 AM EDT
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                    {"commentId":2099622,"authorDomain":"caligiurijoseph"}

                    Okay lets say Obama has no experience. Now lets give McCain 55 years experience and do a summation of his accomplishments over those 55 years, the sum total when spread over 55 years shows a man who gets little done,changes position like a professional politician and if he was in the public work force would have been fired for lack of performance many times from many jobs. heck myself as well as 100 of thousands of fellow Americans (male & female) have actual 16 months on the ground in war zones. Can we be president? I even have verifiable managerial experience in the wood products industry, Held a license as a contractor for most of my working life, raised three sons, and have the same 50kplus pension as McCain. Vote for me but I am not interested

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                    Reply#8 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 9:20 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":2099961,"authorDomain":"gabby3239"}

                    my friends uncle did 25 years in prison and got out it didn't qualify him to be a dog catcher

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                    Reply#9 - Tue Jul 1, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":2103595,"authorDomain":"redhot1957"}

                    McCain is so over the top asking Obama to denounce someone that is not part of his campaign. He didn't denounce Black who is a part of his advisor board. He's using this to gain political attention, he did have much to say about Black's comment. Sure everyone respect his service to his country. But Clark was right. because he was a P.O.W don't require it a part of his resume. If everyone thought that you have a lot well qualified candidate, who was a high ranking officer and actually fought on the field.

                    I'll say it once more John McCain is a man who has something to prove and its not in our best interest.

                    If I was Obama, I wouldn't comment on his question of denouncing Clark.

                    No one has questioned his psychology records, Because if our men and women are commitng sucide
                    when they come home and only spent one or two terms in Iraq. John McCain spent years as P.O.W years locked away and no one question his sanity. I wonder how he sleeps at night with out having flashbacks if he was tortured? That why he has a temper he can't control.

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                    Reply#10 - Wed Jul 2, 2008 12:40 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":2112195,"authorDomain":"thanmal"}

                    Here is an interesting article from Frank Keating, former Governor of Oklahoma, defending McCain against the statement made by Clark:

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