McCain: US withdrawal in Iraq will come in time

See, now you're assuming that McCain keeps up with current events. Didn't he think gas was two bucks a gallon? You also insinuate McCain could navigate Newsvine, which might be more bogus than the first claim. In summation, why do you hate America?

/spoof

From the headline:

'McCain: US withdrawal in Iraq will come in time...'

Okay, fine. My question would be: In time FOR WHAT?

..the election?

According to our economy - time is not on our side.

Actually I am in Korea right now. The headlines in the paper this week concern the murder of tens of thousands of South Koreans by South Korean secret police that was swept under the rug when the U.S. military was first here. Twenty years after that, the Kwangju massacre happened in part because during the Reagan Administration the U.S. military here allowed the dictatorship of Korea (yeah, we didn't do a thing in Korea to help foster a democracy--the Koreans did that themselves in spite of U.S. occupation) to take Korean troops off the DMZ to kill innocents in Kwangju. Yes, we still have troops here, but the majority of Koreans hate us and a poll done two years ago showed that over 60% of South Korean men would refuse to fight alongside Americans if Korea is invaded by the North. So, yeah, those above who want to compare Iraq to South Korea, go ahead--only do a little historical reading. It's the lack of historical perspective that landed us in Iraq in the first place. Maybe it's time to remind Amnesiacs that 9/11 is, was, and never can be connected to Iraq.

I see. You believe sovereignty lies with choosing between us or them. That's the kind of narrow-minded Bushism that got us in this mess in the first place. Now even China is lecturing the U.S. on economics. Sad to say that Pax America died in the crib. As for your parting comment, I might ask you to take McCain's advice and smoke the cigarettes he advocates for Iranians to smoke.

Are those the cigarettes that Obama has been smoking. I guess he will probably rip his shirt off in the stadium just to impress all those teeny boppers that he will have to send to Iraq in a few years after he surrenders us to the little guy in Iran.Hope your car will run on fresh air until then

WTF?

"Next time you go to New York ask a Pakistani cab driver where he would sooner live."

Reduced to stereotypes and still you are unable to refute any of my previous comments. How amusing. Is cab driver the quintessential job that every Pakistani in America aspires to? And when does that Pakistani get to be referred to simply as an American? When he is no longer under investigation by Immigration or the FBI?

.....how did you catch that?

you can see it to his left possibly and if so it's not on but as he's sitting on the right side of the vehicle the seatbelt should be going from right to left usually and it's not on.

Impeach him.

Heh... good catch winsomecowboy...

However, unless something has changed, Pennsylvania seat belt law only applies to front seat passengers. McCain is clearly sitting in the back seat.

ooh he's so slippery. :) Thanks for the info.

he is, however, throwing eastside gang signs, which have been unfashionably illegal since the mid-90's. book-em.

I thought he was badly miming turning on the TV in pre-remote times. :)

[It looked like he was really looking forward to watching howdi doodi]

So what non-democratic government is your World Police gonna overthrow next? Jordan? Saudi Arabia? Hamas? (Oh, wait, they aren't a democratic government because we don't like them.) North Korea? Zimbabwe? Venezuela?

Give it a rest. "Establishing democracy" was a talking point to get the public to buy into this @!$%# war.

I wouldn't mind seeing an international coalition overthrow Zimbabwe's Mugabe. It should be led by Britain though.

Its too bad Mugabe wasn't tossed out in the late 90's before he completely screwed up the country. Its a good thing his power is limited to Zimbabwe....that maniac seems capable of anything (ala Hitler).

Steve

But isn't this democracy you tout one of primarily Shi'ia who are closer to Iran than the US would like? We have 'given' them democracy but this administration (and others) aren't going to like the direction it may well take. What do we do then? Perhaps that is why there is reluctance to leave..............

I never touted the Iraqi democracy, actually, but I'm not necessarily a detractor either. Iraq is a sovereign nation. If they have the urge to be friendly with their neighbor who we happen to think is an @!$%#, it's not our place to leave troops in to overthrow them (as your last clause implies). I'd be really sad if that really was why they are still there.

I'd actually like to see the US closer to Iran (Gasp!). You're not gonna convince anyone they shouldn't destroy Israel by shaking sticks at them and refusing to say a word to their leaders. Start up some cultural exchange programs with Middle Eastern nations. There's a ridiculous amount of anti-Arab sentiment in America right now that's simply based in ignorance and the thirst for revenge. Using diplomacy instead of bullets might make them a little friendlier to our oil companies, even.

Which isn't to say we should start allowing Iran to park units in America or anything like that. But at least a cool relationship would be better than us having to worry about Dubya moving troops in on January 19.

You sound like you've read The Future of Freedom from Fareed Zakaria. If not, I recommend it.

I have not read it, but perhaps I will. Thank you.

trying to get the world to embrace their own u.s.-influenced democracy is like trying to get muslims to embrace pork. yeah, it kind of tastes good, but you are naive to expect that it will work with their way of life.

Exactly. I believe any society can thrive under any government type given the right leaders, but forcing your own governmental style on another society is doomed to fail. You've got to develop it and tweak it, and let it grow and shrink where necessary, or it will collapse or devolve into tyranny (which, indeed, a society can also thrive under).

Next will be the Monarchy.

James P Krehbiel says, in part:

'The emphasis should have been on Afghanistan from the get-go'

I'll bet at some point the Russians said the same thing. Ten years later, they gave it up. And unlike the U.S., they played some pretty dirty tricks in that war. Still didn't do them any good. It's hard to fight a country where fighting foreigners is not only the norm, but has been a way of life for hundreds of years.

Senator McCain is just PLAYING at wanting to be the next President. He isn't even CLOSE to living in the real world. Two-thirds or more of Americans are now against the war. He has his own agenda if he gets into the Oval Office, and this agenda does not include the will of the American people.

Sound familiar? It should. That's what has been going on in the White House for the last eight years.