WASHINGTON — Congress approved mortgage relief for 400,000 struggling homeowners Saturday as part of an election-year housing plan that also aims to calm jittery financial markets and bolster the sagging economy. President Bush said he would sign it promptly, despite reservations.
The measure, regarded as the most significant housing legislation in decades, lets homeowners who cannot afford their payments refinance into more affordable government-backed loans rather than losing their homes.
It offers a temporary financial lifeline to troubled mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — pillars of the home loan market whose losses have sparked investor fears — and tightens controls over the two government-sponsored businesses.
What began as a showdown between the White House and the Democratic-led Congress over how far the government should go in rescuing homeowners evolved into a bipartisan effort that could be the last such compromise before Bush leaves office in January.
In a rare Saturday session, the Senate voted 72-13 to send the bill to the president; the House passed it Wednesday.
Bush had withdrawn his veto threat earlier in the week over $3.9 billion in neighborhood grants. He contended the money would benefit lenders who helped cause the mortgage meltdown, encouraging them to foreclose rather than work with borrowers.
"Because of the Democratic Congress' delays and the need for action now, President Bush will sign this bill when he receives it, despite our concerns with some provisions, including nearly $4 billion to help lenders, not the homeowners this legislation is intended to serve," said Tony Fratto, deputy White House press secretary.
Many Republicans, particularly those from areas hit hardest by housing woes, were eager to get behind a housing rescue as they looked ahead to tough re-election contests. Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson's request for the emergency power to rescue Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac helped push through the measure. So did the creation of a regulator with stronger reins on the government-sponsored companies, as Republicans long have sought.
Democrats won cherished priorities in the bargain: the aid for homeowners, a permanent affordable housing fund financed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and the neighborhood grants.
"This is far more than sending a bill to the president's desk for his signature. It's sending a message to the American people that the Congress of the United States — despite an alternative reputation — can actually get things done, and can work together to achieve a good result," said Sen. Christopher J. Dodd, chairman of the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee.
Still, Republicans weren't eager to celebrate. Bush was not expected to hold a White House signing ceremony, and Senate GOP leaders didn't mention it at a news conference following the vote. In the House, more than three-quarters of Republicans voted against the bill.
Dodd, D-Conn., said he had summoned administration officials to his office next week to demand that the foreclosure rescue program be put into place quickly.
The legislation takes several approaches to curing the ailing housing market.
It aims to spare an estimated 400,000 debt-strapped homeowners, many of whom owe more their houses are worth, from foreclosure by allowing them to get more affordable mortgages backed by the Federal Housing Administration.
The FHA could insure $300 billion in such mortgages, which would be available to homeowners who showed they could afford a new loan. Banks would first have to agree to take a large loss on the existing loans in exchange for avoiding an often-costly foreclosure.
The plan also is designed to relieve a broader credit crunch that has taken hold because of rising defaults and falling home values. To free up safer and more affordable mortgage credit, the bill permanently would increase to $625,000 the size of home loans that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac can buy and the FHA can insure. They also could buy and back mortgages 15 percent higher than the median home price in certain areas.
The measure tries to prevent blight in areas hardest hit by the housing crisis, where waves of foreclosures have left properties sitting abandoned, dragging down property values and ruining neighborhoods. It sends $3.9 billion to such neighborhoods to buy and fix up foreclosed properties.
It goes far beyond addressing the current crisis, however.
The legislation overhauls the Depression-era FHA. It requires lenders to show how high a borrower's payment could get under the terms of his mortgage. It provides $180 million in pre-foreclosure counseling for struggling homeowners.
The Treasury Department gains unlimited power, until the end of 2009, to lend money to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac or buy their stock should they need it. The Federal Reserve takes on a new "consultative" role overseeing the companies.
The measure includes $15 billion in tax cuts, including a significant expansion of the low-income housing tax credit and a credit of up to $7,500 for first-time home buyers for houses purchased between April 9, 2008, and July 1, 2009.
Democratic leaders, recognizing that the measure could be one of the last items to become law during what's left of their abbreviated election-year schedule, tacked on an $800 billion increase, to $10.6 trillion, in the statutory limit on the national debt.
Conservative Republicans were vehemently opposed to the bill, particularly the help for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Critics charge the companies enjoy lavish profits in good times and wield their outsized political clout to resist regulation while depending on the government to bail them out should they falter.
Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., delayed the final vote because Democrats refused to allow him a vote on a proposal to ban the companies from lobbying or making political donations to lawmakers.
"We can't have the people who are supposed to watch over these organizations getting money from these organizations," DeMint said. "At least if we're going to ask the American taxpayer to be on the hook for billions, possibly trillions of dollars, let's stop this."
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What about the millions who have already los ttheir homes? I hope the government isn't looking to payt the lenders for those properties. It's like they win on two fronts....
What about the fact that I don't want taxpayer money going to help these people? I'm not sorry these people bought houses they couldn't afford. Its not the government's fault that these people can't read a mortgage contract. Its not the government's job to give loans to people that have already defaulted on a previous loan (that's bad business sense).
Houses were way overpriced and people bought them on loans they couldn't afford. Was the lending industry deceptive, certainly. But they made their bed so now they have to lie in it. There are still so many sub-prime commercials out there so they have not learned their lesson. Let the companies that gave bad loans fall so that the responsible companies survive and thrive. I am sick of the government bailout wave. Let the markets correct themselves and let the people learn to live within their means.
The millions that have lost their homes have learned their lesson (i hope). so what use it is to help these other people keep making mistakes.
chaos,
i understand your way of thinking. but if we're going to make people pay for their own mistakes, let's extend that to companies too.
I understand your position, however if you are a owner of a 401k or any other type of investment account not shoring up these companies could cause a substantial loss in your portfolio.
If you happen to own a home and the market collapse then that could affect your property value.
If the tax base in your community drops the county, state or locality will have no choice but to raise your assessment or millage rate to compensate for the short falls.
What we have here my friend is a system that predicated on the pyramid scheme just like the banking system. If we allow the base to collapse then the whole pyramid collapse. if you can't beat them then join them. I brought several shares of (fre) Freddie and (fnm) Fannie while they were down because I knew the system. I have made a substantial return so far especially since the president agrees to the housing bill. i suggest you get paid my friend.
My husband and I decided not to buy a home a few years back. I was watching home prices sky rocket and all of these "exotic" mortgages showing up and I said this is gonna be bad really soon. Even with a traditional mortgage, it could get messy.
I mean really folks, let's face facts. If you bought a $400,000 dollar home and you make $60,000 a year, did you really think you could afford that? I say let them all fall. The lenders, the banks and the home owners.
If the fed steps in to help, this will only prolong the inevitable. This thing had to play out and people have to get hurt. It's the nature of the beast. Once, that happens, prices will adjust and we'll buy a home that we can afford. Not a home that has been marked up by 200% because of speculators and flippers.
This is the flip side of greed. It isn't pretty, but it is a fact.
Jen:
I totally agree. I don't think the government should be bailing out anybody. Let the companies fall so that the ones that know how to do business can prevail.
Nathan:
I agree to play the system for all you can. But:
401Ks will survive a market crash. For people just ready to retire, that's an issue - pull out now...for people under 60, it will recover fine.
Houses are WAY overpriced. Let the market correct itself and if you bought a home under the super-inflated price then live with the consequences of your actions. People like Guy1118 knew what to do.
As for taxes, I live in Mass...they are going up and up no matter what I do. The best thing that might come from it might be that the government might cut some spending to make up for some shortfalls... now that would be a miracle.
however if you are a owner of a 401k or any other type of investment account not shoring up these companies could cause a substantial loss in your portfolio.
Tough. That is the nature of investing. You average about a 10% yearly return when looking at a 40 year period, but any given year you can experience losses.
If you happen to own a home and the market collapse then that could affect your property value.
True. And? If you've bought in the past 5 years you bough at an artificially inflated price and the price needs to drop so that more people are able to afford to buy.
If the tax base in your community drops the county, state or locality will have no choice but to raise your assessment or millage rate to compensate for the short falls.
That is one possibility. The other is to cut spending. I don't know about your county, but around here counties have been going crazy for the past 5 years or so with more and more new spending and new programs all based on artificially inflated house prices. If they go back to the funding levels they had 5 years ago, there should be no problem meeting those demands.
If the fed steps in to help, this will only prolong the inevitable. This thing had to play out and people have to get hurt. It's the nature of the beast. Once, that happens, prices will adjust and we'll buy a home that we can afford. Not a home that has been marked up by 200% because of speculators and flippers. This is the flip side of greed. It isn't pretty, but it is a fact.
Exactly! I couldn't agree more. This is the demographic that politicians need to be serving, not people who expected a short term flip.
I completely agree with ProfChaos. Shame on the people who MADE themselves house-poor (a VERY common situation here in Northern Virginia) and shame on the Mortgage Lenders who ALLOWED them to borrow that much!
While the federal government is busy BAILING OUT MILLIONS of irresponsible people, they are RUINING the chances for first time home buyers to receive down payment assistance by eliminating the Nehemiah, AmeriDream and other like programs (yes this is all in the new housing bill). So the people that could FINALLY afford to buy a home and rock bottom prices CAN'T because the government is sending taxpayer dollars to the pockets of Fannie Mae and Freddic Mac Exec's (WHO, by the way, are some of THE HIGHEST PAID in the mortgage industry) instead of deserving MODEST Americans trying to make their dream come true.
SICK SICK SICK!!!!
"The bill sets a cap of $625,000 on the loans that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac may buy and the FHA may insure." Up to $625,000 is ridiculous! People who own a home greater than $400k are not your typical American family, I'm sorry, and a lot of people would even say above $250k is not "normal" America. I heard a woman on NPR saying that she had a home worth about 700k and her & her husband made $20k a month in income....that's $240k a year, and she thought she needed a govt bailout. That probably puts her family in the top 1-2% income bracket in America. I see this bill as just a huge loss to taxpayers and doing no good for our economy.
Lets just increase the US debt even more on risky ventures like this, why not???
What are we doing bailing out people who overspent?
I've got too much on my credit cards? Can I have some money too?
I pay taxes also. Lots of taxes. And I don't want my taxes to help someone stay in their $500,000.00 home while I "make do" with my $125,000.00 home.
I'm tired of everyone complaining about their tax dollars being spent on bailing out people who have been foreclosed on. You know what I'm tired of spending my tax dollars on? An unwinnable war. Yes, I believe alot of these people got in over their heads and they are in financial troubles due to lack of sound judgement however, it is a sad state of affairs when American citizens aren't willing to help other Americans. I would much rather have my money spent here than over seas.
Answer this.....if our government wasn't spending our tax dollars on bail outs for ex-homeowners who would they be spending it on? I'm sure they wouldn't spend our tax dollars to bail out banks, the airlines, Amtrak, Iraq and God knows who else. If you didn't notice I was being sarcastic.
Typical liberal propaganda. First off no war is unwinnable for us, if the government would just let the generals do their job and quit worrying about upsetting people like you. Roosevelt would of already leveled that sand box and the troops would be home. But no, we can't do that anymore because we have to fight a war with our hands tied behind our backs. The government should not be bailing out anyone. People that fell behind or bought more then they could afford need to either move into a more affordable home or get a second job. I would work 3 jobs 7 days a week before I would let my family be without a home. The problem is our government has been holding peoples hands so long everybody thinks they are entitled to be bailed out every time THEY make a mistake. Get out of your welfare thought line and start being more independent. That is what America used to be about. Now we are nothing more then an country of people looking for a hand out.
Wow! and I bet you go to church every Sunday with that attitude too. People like me? You mean people who care enough about our troops that I would want to bring them home. You mean people who just don't blindly believe that all Iraqis are our enemies because Fox news says so. If you had it your way you would just drop bombs on women, children and all and annex Iraq and all it's oil which this war is really about. Jesus would be proud!
I don't need a hand out but, I am not above placing a few extra dollars into the hand of someone who does. I guess you can look at a family on the streets and not care because you have priciples and that's what's most important......right?
typical republican propaganda, karl. let's vote on your values. stop those gays from marrying. reproductive rights, your ass. get rid of all welfare.
you fail to realize that corporate bailouts, which has cost our country BILLIONS upon BILLIONS during Bush's tenure has been to the benefit of megaconglomerations which then benefit REPUBLICANS. And the republicans that told you to vote on your VALUES are laughing all the way to the bank while they bankrupt our government.
If you cared about OUR troops as much as the Iraqi's you would understand that the quicker we get this done with the sooner they can come home VICTORIOUS. If this was about oil as you all claim, why are we paying over $4 a gallon now? You're right, if it were me i would tell the iraqis; either you kill them or we will. If you leave it up to us, you could become collateral damage. Then give them the time line you dems want like a week. If all the "bad guys" aren't dead and gone we'll take care of it. Then we take over the oil production. That my friend is called the "spoils of war".
You need to stick to the subject of the housing market. If there is a family on the streets, you giving them a few bucks to make yourself feel good isn't going to resolve their problem. I truly believe there are people out there in need and they need to get the help they deserve. However, those that have exploited the system, and believe me there are hundreds of thousands out there, have made people like me sceptical. I work an avarage of 13-14 hours a day as does my wife. For those that are down on their luck and need a hand up I would be one of the first in line. But for those families that have been on welfare, some for generations, I have NO compasion for. This country was built on hard work, NOT handouts.
karl, i understand your line of reasoning.
but again, this country spends more on corporate welfare than on individual welfare.
why aren't you railing about that>?
There is a big difference in feeding someone who doesn't have enough food or subsidizing the rental payment for those in need of a place to live and helping someone stay in a 5, 6, or $700,000.00 home.
Stop spending money you don't have to impress people you don't know or don't even like.
We should give to anyone who truly needs it a hand UP not a hand OUT!
Wake up! We're paying 4 dollars a gallon for gas, 5 in California because the oil companies are trying to put on pressure to open up drilling in banned areas in the US which Bush is already trying to do. This country was built on the hard work of whom......um slaves. This country didn't need handouts in the beginning because it was built with free labor. But, that's besides the point.
I would like to answer jen's question. Why aren't you talking about Bush's legacy of corporate bail outs?
Karl
I'm not talking about people who are living in a 500,000 dollar home. My concern is for people who are middle income. People who have a combined income of no more than 150,000 and on down. Those are the people I'm concerned about. Those people to whom you refer that have a 20,000 combined monthly income will do just fine...that is not my issue. Now, please answer my question: why aren't you railing about the corporate bailouts to which the majority of your tax money has gone?
What corporation has the Bush admin "bailed out"? Remember who is in control of the Senate and Congress. Bush can do nothing without Dem support PERIOD. You keep shooting this dem propaganda but never give any specifics. The reason being is the dems are just as greedy and corrupt as the republican. At the end of the day they are all politicians and will only do what is best for them and their voting base which keeps them in office. Remember the "BIG DIG"? Your concern is for people making $150k on down. I'm sorry but you need to widen your scope a little. If a person is having trouble paying the bills making $150k or even $100k then they are the ones with the problems and they should not be getting any help. If they wind up on the streets I could care less. Learn how to budget. Now if you would have said $50k or less you would have had my attention but your concerned about the upper middle class more then the lower class, that tells me a little about you right there.
Nicolle...where have you been...the war has basically been won...no thanks to the Democrats....Oh..I forgot...the MSM does not like to talk about us winning so apparently alot of people still dont know.
As far as taxpayers money....I dont think it should be spent on bailing anybody out....Im so tired of people wanting a piece of my paycheck....if everyone payed taxes, it might be different, but so many in this country do not pay taxes...they actually live off the taxpayers...and as someone who has worked for 48 years...I resent the hell out of it...I dont blame the people so much as the politicians who have created this mess of entitlements.
OKay, Karl, I'll bite.
What about people from the 50,ooo to 75,0000 range? Shouldn't we help them?
These to me seem to be the people that can't easily dust themselves off and move on.
It's not the government or FHA that is the problem. It's the banks that's the REAL problem. I am a mortgage broker and the problem is that the banks have added all their own criterias onto the FHA qualification guidelines making it extremely hard for these people in the mortgage crisis to qualify for these FHA loans. For example, FHA does NOT require a minimum FICO score. However, 95% of the banks doing FHA loans require a minimum score of 580. Even for the new FHA Secured loans which is supposed to help people that have fallen behind due to adjustable rates. If a person has been late 30 days or more on their mortgage payments chances are that their credit score is below 580 therefore, disqualifying them for any FHA loan. As I said, the banks are the ones that need the overhaul here, not FHA or Fannie and Freddie. The banks need to quit raising the qualification guidelines and go strictly by FHA's guidelines that are in place. If this happened, it wouldn't cost us the tax payers any more money for these bills that are just being ignored anyhow. The "housing crisis" could be over in a matter of months. It's up to the banks.
However, 95% of the banks doing FHA loans require a minimum score of 580.
Why is that bad?
Most of you have all addressed the "little guys" who bought homes they could not afford. A few have stated it is NOT the governments responsibility to bail out these folks. You are all kidding yourselves. This is not a bail out for the little guy; it is a bail out for our banking system. i.e. "stimulus act" was not about $600 rebate checks. (see temporary (12/08) increases ($729,750) in Fannie/Freddie limits).
The problem is so BIG that this is one of the only and quickest solutions; it is also the solution the campaign contributors want. The BIGGER problem is that we don't know what will not be enough! Odds are that "foreign investors" won't stick around long enough to find out.
If limits are kept at the new proposed amount of $625,000 this will do very little for the CA option ARM & 2nd markets. (Countrywide/BAC, WAMU, IndyMac, Wachovia, Wells Fargo, etc. will all need additional help outside of Fannie/Freddie)
Most of the executive branchs' (regulators) have failed us while lending execs and Wall Street have robbed us blind. Most of our "reps" virtually encourage their behavior. No or very limited arrests. What is going on with Michal Perry (IndyMac). What about Bear Stearns arrests? How come no arrests in the FBI's 21 corporation investigation?
If nothing else we need rule of law. How can you expect the police force to do their jobs on limited budgets and arrest those who will be forced to steal bread for their families? Especially, when you let others who have destroyed our financial markets get away with trillion-theft larceny.
Once again we are attempting to conceal and delay the real problems. Unfortunately, few of our "representatives" are upholding their oath or rule of law.
$25 Billion...Please!!! We are talking at least 25% of the $5-6 trillion in existing mortgages. Most likely the entire mortgage market under $729,750 will eventually be owned by Fannie and Freddie.
Besides flaming uncontrollable inflation our entire economic system; "free market" capitalism has just been destroyed.
"The day that Capitalism Died"
profchaos
I understand your position, however if you are a owner of a 401k or any other type of investment account not shoring up these companies could cause a substantial loss in your portfolio. If you happen to own a home and the market collapse then that could affect your property value. If the tax base in your community drops the county, state or locality will have no choice but to raise your assessment or millage rate to compensate for the short falls. What we have here my friend is a system that predicated on the pyramid scheme just like the banking system. If we allow the base to collapse then the whole pyramid collapse. if you can't beat them then join them. I brought several shares of (fre) Freddie and (fnm) Fannie while they were down because I knew the system. I have made a substantial return so far especially since the president agrees to the housing bill. i suggest you get paid my friend.
Wish I'd had the money. That's the most sensible thing I've heard today.
I 100% "disagree" with this Fed bail out of the banks and foreclosures. Will the gov't step in and bail out my business if I do something stupid and get into financial trouble? I think not, nor should they. It's not up to the feds to use our tax money to fix peoples stupidity and greed. Aren't they also wanting to raise the gas tax? Go figure!
hey, i bought a new ferrari that was just recently repossessed because I could not afford the loan that I signed up for. do you think the government will create an exotic car bill that will help me get my car back???
1. a home IS NOT an entitlement
2. the federal govt DOES not belong in the middle of this
3. Let the lenders fold
4. forclose on the irresponsible
Well, the lefy loons are going to take your ferarri, make you pay for it anyway and give it to a troll who lives under a bridge.
Now that is what I call "fair" and sound economic redistribution!
Nicole, what are talking about? You went from banks to slaves in just few paragraphs. First of all, you need to stop tinkning in terms of where the gov't could spend money once we're out of Iraq. Try this. How about I keep more of my tax money? My last paycheck, I paid in taxes double the amount of my house note. That doesn't include the amount I pay in taxes for my business and employees. How much is enough? By the way, I'm self employed and have very high deductiblehealth insurance and I don't want the gov't (i.e., you and me) paying more in taxes so I can have coverage. I don't want others paying for my choices, good or bad.
Secondly, this country was founded and built on a lot more than slaves. Most of the people couldn't afford slaves. So, don't even go there. Know what you're talking about and quit with the emotion.
All we are doing is talking past one another.
We all have different world views.
There are those who tend to see America built off the backs of slaves, the exploited, and the oppressed.
Others tend to see it from the genius of the Founding Fathers.
It's both.
Fitzgerald said :
The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function.
We should take that into account, especially here, in the realm of politics.
WOW! An intelligent statment, from a responsible person. "Commonsense" is 110% correct. I too am self employed and have to pay my taxes as well as my employee's taxes and my own health insurance. Let me live with my choices and stay out of my pockets. If everyone took RESPONSIBILITY for their own actions then there would be no need for any of this.
Let us not forget that home owners pay property taxes. In urban and sub-urban environments this a lion-share of the county or cities tax base. Not shoring up these investments will place additional strain on city and county tax liabilities. In essence, states with large urban centers will have to resort to raising the taxes on those individuals who have invested wisely in home ownership.
Putting it simply, the Bush Administration is NOT, in my opinion, responsible for this housing mess. Also, their opposition to the housing bill was well placed, and a good policy decision. I think the change in the position is the result of the Liberal-Left, who's electoral base comes from large urban environments, is clamoring that not bailing out these unwise home-owners would result in an economic depression in the urban centers as foreclosures continue, and business move out of the area in search of a larger customer base.
This is not a problem that we should have experienced, but when you try to save the cities at the expense of the country, this is the kind of bad business decisions that get made. Raising the minimum wage and causing massive layoffs as business try to anticipate an increased cost of doing business results in job loss, and as a result, the loans held by those who lose their jobs become un-payable. As this situation snow balls, the smart home owner, who finds themselves in this position will then take on the roll of selling the home to get out from underneath the loan. When the housing market depreciates, and their home is no longer rated as highly as it was at the origination of the loan, home owners find themselves stuck in a financial prison. Foreclosure is normally the outcome.
Since the Republican Party is counting on some urban support in the coming election, it is not surprising that they find themselves trying to aid the Democratic party base with a problem that was the result of the bad economic policy of the Democratic Party base. This bill doesn't just bail out the failed home owners, it bails out the counties tax loss that would normally be experienced by the foreclosure.
I don't agree with the bill. Personally I think the foreclosures should continue so that the counties have to sell the defunct property at a lower rate in order to get the property tax liability back in line with current home values. However, it would seem that there is an effort at the county level to continue to raise the property tax liability on the homeowner regardless of the housing market situation.
Putting it in simpler terms. If the housing market is depressed, and house values are not that high any more, why the heck are the counties taxing the home-ower at a higher level every year?
The Republicans are wrong to go along with the Democrats on this one, but in the end, this is still the United States of America. The economy is all of our responsibility. It is looking like the Republicans are going to have to bail the democrats out of another mess.
Let us not forget that home owners pay property taxes. In urban and sub-urban environments this a lion-share of the county or cities tax base. Not shoring up these investments will place additional strain on city and county tax liabilities. In essence, states with large urban centers will have to resort to raising the taxes on those individuals who have invested wisely in home ownership.
Putting it simply, the Bush Administration is NOT, in my opinion, responsible for this housing mess. Also, their opposition to the housing bill was well placed, and a good policy decision. I think the change in the position is the result of the Liberal-Left, who's electoral base comes from large urban environments, is clamoring that not bailing out these unwise home-owners would result in an economic depression in the urban centers as foreclosures continue, and business move out of the area in search of a larger customer base.
This is not a problem that we should have experienced, but when you try to save the cities at the expense of the country, this is the kind of bad business decisions that get made. Raising the minimum wage and causing massive layoffs as business try to anticipate an increased cost of doing business results in job loss, and as a result, the loans held by those who lose their jobs become un-payable. As this situation snow balls, the smart home owner, who finds themselves in this position will then take on the roll of selling the home to get out from underneath the loan. When the housing market depreciates, and their home is no longer rated as highly as it was at the origination of the loan, home owners find themselves stuck in a financial prison. Foreclosure is normally the outcome.
Since the Republican Party is counting on some urban support in the coming election, it is not surprising that they find themselves trying to aid the Democratic party base with a problem that was the result of the bad economic policy of the Democratic Party base. This bill doesn't just bail out the failed home owners, it bails out the counties tax loss that would normally be experienced by the foreclosure.
I don't agree with the bill. Personally I think the foreclosures should continue so that the counties have to sell the defunct property at a lower rate in order to get the property tax liability back in line with current home values. However, it would seem that there is an effort at the county level to continue to raise the property tax liability on the homeowner regardless of the housing market situation.
Putting it in simpler terms. If the housing market is depressed, and house values are not that high any more, why the heck are the counties taxing the home-ower at a higher level every year?
The Republicans are wrong to go along with the Democrats on this one, but in the end, this is still the United States of America. The economy is all of our responsibility. It is looking like the Republicans are going to have to bail the democrats out of another mess.
This is exactly why we need the fairtax enacted....everyone pays a tax...it just doesnt fall on a few out of many to pay for everything....at what point is enough enough?...Its not the government doing everything for everybody....its the taxpayers....and I cringe everytime another new program is created...my paycheck just gets smaller and smaller....it makes you want to just give up and jump on the welfare train to nowhere with everyone else.
Again, lets call a spade a spade the reason is not "high cost loans" it is because people made bad decisions. I love the PC nature of the article attempting to soft peddle the problem as "high cost loans".
People who are going to be bailed out with "our" money should have their and address published so to alert other lenders that these people are victims and as such should be contacted on every whim in further attempts to separate them from their money, oh I mean my money!
When did it become the government's job to take care of our personal business and take responsibility for everyone's poor choices?
I would like for them to leave me alone & stop taxing me to bail out wicked, greedy folks, and self-entitled individuals whose choices I don't want to encourage nor support. This way, I will be able to use more of my own resources to use in my own "village" in a free manner, as I see fit.
This coming November, I'd love nothing more than to see a political revolution at the polls that results in all Republicans & Democrats get voted out, for no other reason than to let them know that "We the People" still long to be free...
Yes, TonyB. I noticed that too. There was another article that referred to the "cause" of this housing crisis being that housing prices went up faster than income! No kidding! God forbid they admit that the real problem is that the greed of bankers & investors (both Wall Street & Individuals) lead them to behave in a very, very bad manner...
I read recently that last month (June '08) one in 501 homes received foreclosure notices. That amounts to about 1/2 of 1% of all homes. And the article went on to say that only half of those who were sent notices will actually go to foreclosure.
Am I missing something? Does this crisis in foreclosures only involve 0.25% of the homes in this country? Leaving 99.75% of homes that are NOT in foreclosure?
Please help me understand.
jen orozco,
You are partially correct. It was a combination of all those factors and not not just one entity that made this country what it is. However, there's big difference in discussing legitimate ideas backed in facts and those ideas in which someone chooses bits and pieces of facts to conclude what they want to hear.
I am extremely frustrated with the amount of taxes I pay and I can't for the life of me understand why so many others don't get what damage high taxes are doing to our country. Part of why the country became so great was because people have the freedom and independence from gov't, including taxation. I just won't sit quietly and let someone like nicole0779 fabricate her own version of history to persuade others. I'm quite sure fitzgerald was not considering ideas to be the same as outright lies. At least that's my take on it.
-Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Indymac, Countrywide , Freddie Mac Fanny Mae, legislative and executive branch etc… all the same, run by the cronies of the mafia I mean elite. It all seems to smack of something out of the sopranos with all of the fraud and manipulating of the uneducated. The FBI/government leaders and Fed's knew about the corruption going on out there and still is. I guess if the players didn't f#uck up the script and let the sheep find out, all would had gone well and their would not be all these investigations going on to distract us of who the real villains are. We each have our own ideal of who created the problems, some say the government because of lack of or over regulating. Some say the stupid people who got loans that they couldn't afford because they moved to fast to get a piece of that American dream. Some say the greedy bankers and lenders who gave the money out just to increase profits for their share holders and pay interest to deposit owners of their institutions. I could go on and on in placing blame, but the blame still falls back on we the people because this is our system. Its designed for the knows to always take advantage of the don't knows, it's impossible for everyone to be on top. That's why those at the bottom and middle believe that with education and hard work someday we will make it to the top and we don't want the game to change before we get there. That old saying the more you know and who you know the better off you will be. If you can't beat them join them : ).
Socialism? Well, you know what else is socialism? The public school system. So, I guess you believe that your tax dollars shouldn't be going to pay for free education, right? So, are America's children feeding off the "teet" of a socialist parent? I am not being mean or sarcastic I am merely asking a question that often perplexes me. Some people talk about how we shouldn't have national healthcare because it's socialism as they put their kid on the bus to go a free public school.
Who are you talking to nicole?
Nicole, move to Europe, please. I, for one, want to keep my money and spend it how I choose. And yes, I donate considerably to charities such as Mercy Ship (in Africa) and St. Judes children hospital. I'd donate a lot more if the increasing socialist gov't would keep their hands out of my pocket. Doing something for our children and taking care of every deadbeat adult are two different matters. Unviersal healthcare may sound good, but it would be a disaster. I can't control how people take care of their bodies, what they eat, choose to smoke, etc. Why should I have to pay for some other "adult's" choices and lifestyle? I shouldn't nor should you.
a permanent affordable housing fund financed by the two mortgage companies
Want affordable housing? Simple. Just don't bail out the current over-inflated prices and let prices fall.
Who can fault Americans for wanting homes with a minimum of 4,000 square-feet. Let's have a little compassion here. Compassionate conservatives must prevail.
Thinking big in America is a national obsession, and we shouldn't have to declare bankruptcy for having big dreams. Many of us deserve to be bailed out.
I think families making $40,000 and buying a $600,000 dollar home should be bailed out.
However, Americans should be denied the right for universal health coverage. Of course if a person is in failing health and he/she can't pay his high health insurance premiums, the government should clearly not intervene. Clearly! I think that's understood by most of us here. That would be socialism--a concept so alien to us Americans. I shudder to even type that word. Ohhhhh! The government housing bailout is thankfully not socialism by any stretch of the imagination.
When you scratch a little below the surface, there's a number of issues at play. I'll mention a few:
1. The government has the right to know what you do sexually in your bedroom. If you DON'T own a house, or your house is foreclosed, how is the government going to know what you're doing sexually in bed. Snooping in an apartment building is problematic compared to a single-family house. This big housing bailout will solve this important issue and conservative, fundamentalists can sleep easier at night knowing sex is strictly for procreation and a rare event.
2. If gays, lesbians, and minorities move into the house next door, it's much easier for people with hate in their hearts to let them know they're not very happy. For example, painting a brick wall with certain words is a common practice. Tell me, how are hateful people going to paint ugly words inside an apartment building wall. They can't. For too many Americans, discrimination and hate is a way of life, so the housing bailout will continue fan the flames of hate and discrimination. Some politicians play into this hate and it works like a charm. You see, this housing bailout was a no-brainer.
3. So many of us don't want to talk to our neighbors, and it's so easy not to talk to your neighbors when you live in a house. Heavens, even waving to a neighbor would take too much time. Homes are a must, so we don't have to talk and wave to our neighbors. When you live in apartment building, you've got to talk a little to your neighbors. Often times its, "Turn the damn stereo down."
Thanks Congress for a job well-done. I'm depending on you.
Yesterday, I just bought a $125,000 Mercedes. If I can't pay the monthly payments down the road, I know Congress will be there for me.
Apparently, no one else caught this...
Are you aware that there is a provision of the law that will require the banks to report to the federal government each and every credit and debit card transaction?
Why does our government need this data?
Apparently, no one else caught this...
Are you aware that there is a provision of the law that will require the banks to report to the federal government each and every credit and debit card transaction?
Why does our government need this data?
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