Ambassador: al-Qaida leaving Iraq for Afghanistan

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WASHINGTON — Al-Qaida's foreign fighters who have for years bedeviled Iraq are increasingly going to Afghanistan to fight instead, the Iraqi ambassador to the United States said Wednesday.

"We have heard reports recently that many of the foreign fighters that were in Iraq have left, either back to their homeland or going to fight in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is now seeming to be more suitable for al-Qaida fighters," said Ambassador Samir Sumaida'ie.

Al-Qaida had training camps and a headquarters in Afghanistan, under the protection of the then-ruling Taliban, until the U.S. invaded after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. With al-Qaida forced out of Afghanistan, the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 quickly drew outside fighters there.

Sumaida'ie said al-Qaida is finding it now increasingly difficult to operate in Iraq, beginning with the rebellion of the largely Sunni tribes in Anbar Province in 2006 and 2007. Until then, al-Qaida had ruled by intimidation and violence, establishing physical control and setting up a shadow government in large swaths of Iraqi territory.

"There were large tracts that were run by al-Qaida, administered by al-Qaida — they had ministers, administrators, paid salaries and so on. This no longer exists, so they do not have any territory to control (where it) is safe for them to move in and around Iraq," he said. "In whole areas they ceased to operate as effective terrorist networks."

Sumaida'ie's comments echoed those of the top U.S. military commander in Iraq. Gen. David Petraeus told The Associated Press last week that al-Qaida appears to be reassessing its chances of success in Iraq.

"They're not going to abandon Iraq. They're not going to write it off. None of that," Petraeus said. "But what they certainly may do is start to provide some of those resources that would have come to Iraq to Pakistan, possibly Afghanistan.

"We do think they are considering what should be the main effort," he said.

A U.S. counterterrorism official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence reporting said foreign fighters are generally not leaving Iraq for Afghanistan, but new recruits to al-Qaida are being sent to Afghanistan and Pakistan instead of Iraq. The numbers in all countries are small, however. The vast majority of al-Qaida in Iraq are native born, and extremists in Afghanistan and Pakistan are overwhelmingly Pashtun fighters from the region.

Sumaida'ie's remarks come as Democratic presumptive nominee Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois is conducting an overseas trip which included stops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama toured two war zones with Sens. Jack Reed, D-R.I., and Chuck Hagel, R-Neb.

Last week they issued a written statement saying that Afghanistan and Pakistan's border area, where the Taliban is resurgent and Osama Bin Laden is believed to be hiding, should be the central front in the war against terrorism.

Monthly death tolls of U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan surpassed U.S. military deaths in Iraq in May and June, even though there are far fewer coalition troops in Afghanistan.

Both Sumaida'ie and Petraeus warned, however, that security progress made in Iraq is not irreversible and al-Qaida could reassert itself there.

"If things break down in Iraq, they are capable of coming back," Sumaida'ie said.

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{"commentId":2263104,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

To get a little background on Pashtun culture watch the movie "The Kite Runner." These are very proud people and consider themselves to be nobility among men.

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Reply#1 - Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:33 PM EDT
{"commentId":2263278,"authorDomain":"mysticchick"}

The book was awesome, too. I cried!

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    #1.1 - Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:52 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2263428,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

    I'll look for the book used at Amazon.

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      #1.2 - Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:13 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2263717,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

      Yes, calling everyone Al Qaida, a terrorist, when they see the West, Nato, and the U.S.
      the foreign occupiers, will lead to the same defeat, as the Russians, the Brits, under colonailism. and anyone, including OBAMA, if he makes the fatal mistake of carrying out war against what is a criminal crime, and turns that into war crimes itself.

      We will lose this kind of colonialism, imperialism, stupid foreign policy. OBAMA, is part of the problem in Afghanistan, as he was with Iraq and Iran, with the endless funding for occupation, and endless threats. He will bankrupt this country even further than Bush has, and he will be blamed for this stupidity.

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      #1.3 - Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:46 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2266202,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

      Eric A,...Your rhetoric is a constant as is your vocabulary. As time goes by I begin to see what your pointing to. It's a little like reading Blake's later poems they tend to be at a limit or edge but once you become aware of another horizon, comprehension floods in.

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        #1.4 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:34 AM EDT
        {"commentId":2267140,"authorDomain":"grantmcmillen"}

        i agree eric.
        the war machine must continue to profit for the few. gee i can see the terrorists now boarding commercial aircraft bound for afganistan to start a new front. the pilots are the US government.

        we must beleive there is a threat in order to continue spending billions and lining the pockets of the few.

        Jade-log your a sheep in a country of wolves. your ignorance to the big picture is common with the masses. you my friend are part of the problem

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          #1.5 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:58 AM EDT
          {"commentId":2267417,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}

          Not a big surprise.

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          #1.6 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:19 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":2263116,"authorDomain":"babin"}

          Wow. Obama just said we should focus more on Afghanistan.

          How odd. He was right.

          Thank you AP.

          Good timing.

          What an ironic world we live in.

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          Reply#2 - Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:35 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2264139,"authorDomain":"luckydog"}

          The government can't hardly respond fast enough to attempt to steal Obama's thunder. They seem to know so much about ALQ's plans but yet oddly enough they still can't find Bin Laden.

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          #2.1 - Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:36 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2267439,"authorDomain":"arcanebliss"}

          Media outlets like NPR and BBC have been covering a large variety of stories addressing the fact that al-Qaeda is weakening in Iraq and flourishing in Afghanistan. Our government has been aware that we've lost focus on Afghanistan, it's just that our troop levels are too low and stretched to immediately respond. It takes dozens of soldiers dying for anyone to put some fire under their butts and do something about it. Also, I'm pretty sure Obama got his advisement on this issue from Biden originally as he has been advising Obama and now Petraeus who has similar views with Obama regarding Pakistan and Afghanistan.

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          #2.2 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:22 AM EDT
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          {"commentId":2263272,"authorDomain":"mysticchick"}

          Guess where our troops are going next.

          One point to Obama for being ahead of the curve.

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          Reply#3 - Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:51 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2263483,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

          Did you watch "Charlie Wilson's War?" It reveals how we first got involved. We bought the Taliban Russian weapons through an Israeli weapons dealer. We helped them win the war against the Russians. Russia pretty much depleted their treasury and so the wall came down.

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          #3.1 - Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:19 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2263542,"authorDomain":"mysticchick"}

          Yep, I did see it and several of the documentaries that came out while it was in theaters.

          We should be kicking ourselves right about now. What a bad move.

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          #3.2 - Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:27 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2265766,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

          Yup we're all BOZOS on this bus. Pogo says, "I have seen the enemy and they is us."

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            #3.3 - Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:30 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":2263476,"authorDomain":"lilybart"}

            The area on the afgan-pakistan border is basically ruled by the pushtuns and they do not consider themselves answerable to any government .It is going to be a great challenge as to how to contain this area.

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              Reply#4 - Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:18 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2263509,"authorDomain":"lisag"}

              We've been seeing this handwriting on the wall for a while now. As long as Pakistan doesn't bring down its military on al-Qaida, the Afghanistan-Pakistan border is an excellent place from which insurgents can operate, with many obstacles for the U.S. military.

              The terrain is almost impossible for our soldiers to effectively navigate; there is no infrastructure to aid any conventional military operations. The elevation rises as high as 15,000 feet in places, and the location is so remote that locals mistook U.S. soldiers for Russians. The mountainous landscape allows insurgents to make quick, targeted nighttime attacks and then disappear under cover of darkness, even taking their dead with them and slipping away like phantoms. This means that sometimes our soldiers can't confirm who it is they're actually fighting. This has created rising resentment among the locals each time U.S. troops accidentally kill innocent civilians, "collateral damage" in military vernacular. Even the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan is virtually imperceptible.

              To make matters worse, our soldiers have been demoralized by the lack of support they have received to execute their missions and being lied to about how long they are to be deployed.

              The only good that might come of an al-Qaida shift to Afghanistan is that perhaps the U.S. will finally exit Iraq and put whatever resources it has left in places where it can make a real difference.

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              Reply#5 - Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:22 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2263595,"authorDomain":"hotlink"}

              "The only good that might come of an AL-Qaida shift to Afghanistan is that perhaps the U.S. will finally exit Iraq and put whatever resources it has left in places where it can make a real difference."

              Currently the source of the infection is located in Pakistan. So the question is do we merely stay in Afghanistan and treat the symptoms or go in for the kill and to be rid of it completely? It seems to me that in order for things to get better in the less immediate future we are going to need an escalation which will more immediately make things worse. Politically I don't think we are willing to go for victory. Victory is messy.

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                Reply#6 - Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:33 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2265810,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

                Invading Pakistan would cause a third World War. The whole theater of war already encompasses many players and add to that our dunderhead cultural awareness. It is becoming the Mother of All Wars. Saddam is laughing from his grave. Thanks decider.

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                  #6.1 - Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:36 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":2266030,"authorDomain":"hotlink"}

                  Wold War? With whom?

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                    #6.2 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:09 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":2266222,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

                    Well Russia and China for starters and then maybe Australia would get involved which would make Indonesia take up arms. Finally Brazil and the various capitalist and communist influenced states of South America. We can count on Antarctica to opt out.

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                      #6.3 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":2267144,"authorDomain":"grantmcmillen"}

                      and what difference will it make? none excpet drive up the debt and make a few rich beyond belief.

                      AL-Qaida was never in iraq. and AL-Qaida is a CIA name given to a bunch of camel jockies to perputuate war with. phantoms that dont exisit and never can be defeated. War on drugs has never been won because a few in the country profit by it. its ongoing spend spend spend.

                      sheep

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                        #6.4 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:02 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":2269285,"authorDomain":"lisag"}
                        jade-log: Invading Pakistan would cause a third World War. The whole theater of war already encompasses many players and add to that our dunderhead cultural awareness. It is becoming the Mother of All Wars. Saddam is laughing from his grave. Thanks decider.

                        Don't forget the tensions rising between Pakistan and India. And then there's Iran waiting on the sidelines, not to mention Syria.

                        Our going into Iraq was the most disastrous thing the U.S. could ever have done. And now it's too late.

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                        #6.5 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:16 PM EDT
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                        {"commentId":2264101,"authorDomain":"kenalmoore"}

                        Makes one wonder how this will play out. Al-Qaida shifting to Afganistan? I'm not completly
                        sure this is happening. Obama wanting to withdraw from Iraq he has made clear so I my view
                        we could be chasing terrorist back and forth between countries. Not sure but sound plauseable!
                        Our Armed Forces have done and are doing a great job, just need to leave the political people
                        out of it. Not saying American policy should not be a factor in foriegn country deals. One thing terrists are going to fight and make life misserable for Americans all over the globe
                        and our values and way of life a great thing to enjoy..... period...

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                        Reply#7 - Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:31 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2266456,"authorDomain":"slider1981"}

                        So are democrats going to be for more troops in Afghanistan, since Obama seams to like that idea?

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                          Reply#8 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:30 AM EDT
                          {"commentId":2267147,"authorDomain":"ktdid"}

                          No, because Afghanistan is the war we left behind to go to Iraq. There are 30,000 troops, mentors and trainers there already that are in need of resources and assistance.

                          I can't speak for anyone else, and neither should you. I don't think that US troops, who by the very nature of what they are doing are in remote areas and small villages, should be left hung out to dry. This situation has been evolving for some time and the hesitancy with which bush and the pentagon seem to make decisions is further evidence that no more planning for contingencies was done for Afghanistan than was done for Iraq.

                          Since Obama was the candidate who first mentioned Afghanistan, don't you find it odd that suddenly mccain, bush and the pentagon are finally addressing what has been a problem for over a year?

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                            #8.1 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:03 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":2269413,"authorDomain":"lisag"}
                            capitalK: I don't think that US troops, who by the very nature of what they are doing are in remote areas and small villages, should be left hung out to dry.

                            Right you are.

                            Our soldiers have had an impossibly huge mission on their plates in Afghanistan. They were ordered to root out insurgents village by village, secure the Nuristan border with Pakistan (a 1,500-mile line with elevations up to 15K feet), and they were to supply the province of Nuristan with potable water, electricity, schools, bridges and roads. Since when is civic engineering part of a soldier's duties?

                            Charlie Company went more than two months without hot showers or hot food. Soldiers have died from falling in the Hindu Kush region (elevation as high as 6,500 feet). Soldiers have been told to pack light for missions of a few days, then run out of food and water when their mission extends to two weeks. They didn't even have tents. They were not trained for the terrain and altitude they're dealing with. They've been dropped on ridgelines without any plans for picking them up, and then not given the provisions they need. It's been very demoralizing to our soldiers, and many of them feel abandoned by their "leadership."

                            If this is how the DoD, the Pentagon and the Bush administration is going to treat our soldiers, we're already defeated. It's shameful and inexcusable.

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                              #8.2 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2269688,"authorDomain":"ktdid"}

                              Agree, Lisa

                              There are military trainers and mentors in remote villages where they will not see hot showers til November when they leave. Meals are prepackaged, bottled water dropped in along with mail every 2 weeks or so. They do have generated electricity but no phone service. There is no 'safe, comfortable' place (green zone) for them to escape to as their mission won't end until they get ready to leave the country.

                              It's a sorry situation for all of them.

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                                #8.3 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
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