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Analysis: Democrats exact price from Bush for war

Sat Aug 2, 2008 9:44 AM EDT
politics, democrats, congress, democratic-run-congress
Julie Hirschfeld Davis, Associated Press
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, right, introduces Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., second from left, accompanied by House Majority Whip James Clyburn, D-S.C., left, Rep Steny Hoyer, D-Md., third from left, at Cannon House Office Building on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, July 29, 2008. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

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— They did not end the Iraq war or tackle $4-a-gallon gas.

But the Democratic-run Congress created programs this year to educate veterans and feed and house the poor. Democrats also cuts deals with a weakened GOP president to send voters some economic help.

Their election-year strategy was to exact a steep price from President Bush for letting him have his way in some fights, while teaming with Republicans — some nervous about re-election — to defy him on other fronts.

The time for bargains is all but over.

When Congress returns in September from its five-week break, a few routine chores will dominate the agenda: renewing some tax breaks and passing a bill to keep agencies on automatic pilot until there's a new president. A second economic aid bill is a possibility; more partisan wrangling over what to do about gas prices a certainty.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., called Congress' failure to bring troops home from Iraq "probably my biggest disappointment" of the year.

Bush won $162 billion in war money — without any restrictions — well into 2009; his term ends in January. He also got expanded powers for intelligence agencies to eavesdrop, without warrants, on suspected terrorists.

Still, Pelosi said, with the help of Republican defectors and fierce negotiating with Bush, "we did find some areas where, although he initially resisted, he came around."

That was true of an economic relief measure developed quickly by Pelosi, House Republican leader John A. Boehner of Ohio and Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson that sent rebates of $600 to $1,200 to most wage-earners. The checks are widely credited for having a positive effect on the economy.

The $168 billion in economic aid was in essence a tax cut that omitted many of Democrats' highest priorities, including jobless benefits and heating and food aid for the poor. But it did fulfill the Democrats' goal of sending checks to low-income people.

When it came time to pass Bush's war spending measure, Democrats insisted on the jobless aid, plus a $63 billion, 10-year GI Bill, more than doubling the college aid for troops and veterans.

"It was a classic strategy of giving the president things he doesn't want in bills he has to have," said George C. Edwards III, a Texas A & M University political scientist.

Bush also strongly resisted Democrats' foreclosure rescue plan, calling it a burdensome bailout. But with foreclosures soaring and markets terrified about the financial health of the big mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, he relented in exchange for the power to rescue them and tighten oversight.

The resulting compromise is projected to help 400,000 homeowners avoid foreclosures beginning on Oct. 1. In the bargain, Bush had to swallow some $4 billion in grants for devastated neighborhoods and a new affordable housing fund financed by the companies, which Democrats long had sought.

"We were able to get some things done," Pelosi said.

Bush showed that even an unpopular, lame-duck president still has sway on national security issues, plus the negotiating leverage that comes with the power to veto legislation.

"In the eighth year of the presidency and in this environment, Bush's veto was pretty strong," said Candi Wolff, his former top legislative aide.

But this year, more than in the past, his accomplishments came with heavy measures of concessions.

"He had to compromise, and he had to do it in two ways: either they negotiated out a compromise or he was pushed into a compromise politically because of where the votes were," Wolff said.

The prospect of losing veto showdowns with Bush limited the Democrats' ability to win as much domestic spending as they wanted and stopped them from restricting his ability to wage war or spy on suspected terrorists.

Partisan gridlock over energy blocked any relief on gas prices. Renewing Bush's No Child Left Behind education law fell victim to disputes over money and flexibility.

Bush's veto fell flat in a couple of instances when Republicans in Congress instead sided with Democrats.

An election-year farm bill featuring a $10 billion boost in nutrition programs such as food stamps was enacted over the president's veto.

More surprising to the White House, many Republicans also sided with Democrats on protecting doctors from Medicare fee cuts by instead reducing spending on private health plans that serve the elderly and disabled. They abandoned Bush and joined Democrats to override his veto of that.

"Who would be afraid of him?" Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

Democrats, however, did join with Bush this summer on one of his initiatives. He wanted to double U.S. aid for fighting AIDS in Africa and other poor countries. Democrats instead tripled it, to $48 billion over five years. Bush went along.

They also forged a deal on a top Democratic goal, new rules to ban lead in toys.

"The president doesn't get involved much with what goes on around here," Reid said. "Once he does, we're able to accomplish a lot."

For now, Bush is not even going near the idea of another economic aid package. "Talking about a second stimulus package right now is premature," said Dana Perino, the White House press secretary.

Democrats plan to advance a bill this fall that could include more public works spending, doubling home heating and air-conditioning subsides for the poor, increasing food stamps, and providing more aid to states.

Lawmakers left for their summer vacation stalemated over energy, particularly on Republicans' desire to open the Atlantic and Pacific coasts to oil drilling. It is certain to crop up again — probably repeatedly — when they return.

They also are expected to pass a measure that has become an annual fixture to prevent millions of families from being hit with the Alternative Minimum Tax, at an average cost of $2,000 to $2,500.

Congress is under pressure, too, to extend expiring tax breaks mainly to solar, wind, other renewable energy developers, but also for teachers and families.

Before they scatter for the elections, lawmakers also have to cut a deal to keep the government running — probably into 2009. Republicans have pledged to make their stand on offshore drilling there, but they have little appetite for being blamed for a government shutdown. So some sort of compromise is all but assured.

The "fights that await our return won't be easy," Reid said Friday. "We'll fight if we must, but we'd much rather dance."

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EDITOR'S NOTE — Julie Hirschfeld Davis covers Congress for The Associated Press.

© 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Sgt. Pepper

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., called Congress' failure to bring troops home from Iraq "probably my biggest disappointment" of the year.

What a bunch of BS! Anyone with a small understanding of Congress knows that cutting the appropriation of the Iraq war will end it. The only reason the war is continuing is because Democrats want voters to have the war in their minds when they vote in November.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
MaryGJ

No, perhaps the Democrats do not want the obstructionist republicans to try to have a cut and run argument. Obama will end the war that the disastrous George W Bush lied us into.

BTW Sgt, the military will NOT vote overwhelmingly for more lies from the republicans.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
Danny McGee

What a bunch of BS! Anyone with a small understanding of Congress knows that cutting the appropriation of the Iraq war will end it. The only reason the war is continuing is because Democrats want voters to have the war in their minds when they vote in November.

Or maybe simply ending the funding without any sort of reasonable plan for withdrawal is perhaps one of the stupidest and most irresponsible things Congress could possibly do about Iraq. There were several bills put forward in attempt to begin the withdrawal, and Republicans struck them all down. Don't act like the Democrats aren't trying just because they're not doing it the way you want them to.

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
MaryGJ

Republicans = Obstructionists

NEVER gets reported by the MSM.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
ComSen

Obama will end the war

What war is that? What fighting is still going on?

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 2:47 PM EDT
Hot Rod Stewart

There should be a prize for the biggest "acting dumb" statement on nv

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 2:57 PM EDT
MaryGJ

Com Sen don't try one of your nonsensical answers--won't work.

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
VisionCoast

ComSen,

"What war is that? What fighting is still going on?"

It's probably the war in Iraq, where these soldiers died last month:

Sgt. 1st Class Anthony L. Woodham
Spc. William L. McMillan III
Sgt. 1st Class Steven J. Chevalier
Sgt. Alex R. Jimenez
Pfc. Byron J. Fouty
Lance Cpl. Jeffery S. Stevenson
Staff Sgt. Danny P. Dupre
Aviation Boatswain Mate Third Class Petty officer Daniel R. Verbeke
Staff Sgt. Jeremy D. Vrooman
Staff Sgt. David W. Textor

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
MaryGJ

Republican politicians don't care about those people dying in Iraq--they just want to "win" whatever that means. Why do you think even the young republicans can get on TV and talk about staying in Iraq forever. It is not their arses on the line dodging bullets. Everytime I hear one of them say it I want to know why they don't join the military and volunteer to go over there and stay. I thought so...

  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
Dan Hallo, aka, Zoilus

Cut funds and they cry. "Damn Democrats don't support the troops!" Fund the troops and ""Damn Democrats said they would end the War!"

  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 5:30 PM EDT
MaryGJ

No win situation just like Iraq...

    #1.10 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
    Neesy08

    Tsk, tsk, tsk! the repub senators just blocked a bill to provide more funding for the troops.
    happy? keep up with the news.

      #1.11 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 11:15 PM EDT
      VisionCoast

      Dan: Cut funds and they cry. "Damn Democrats don't support the troops!" Fund the troops and ""Damn Democrats said they would end the War!"

      That's too true. It seems to me that Democrats take way more complaints from their supporters than Republicans do. Or am I dreaming again?

        #1.12 - Sun Aug 3, 2008 8:54 AM EDT
        Dan Hallo, aka, Zoilus

        visioncoast,

        And the constant referrals to the "Failed Democratic Congress" when they only have a the "Majority" enough to give them the "Speaker of the House" and set the agenda, but not the 60 votes needed to pass laws and override Presidential veto's.

        This is a clearly a calculated scheme by the GOP to discredit the Democrats and take back the House. Nothing more. So even if the Democrats win the Presidency, they can continue to be as partisan as the are now and always have been. Bush did not veto ONE Bill until the Dems held the House agenda in '06, Not ONE. But you can bet all our cookies that it will be the GOP whining of bias if and when the roles are reversed.

        • 3 votes
        #1.13 - Sun Aug 3, 2008 11:50 AM EDT
        VisionCoast

        Dan,

        Yes, thank you! for addressing the so-called failed Democratic Congress. The article seeded here is the first I've seen that explains to any extent what the Democrats have been trying to accomplish, what they've accomplished, how they did it and what they gave up in exchange.

        It's odd to see that Bush has worked with the Democrats at all and now at the end of his last term. This was his promise in 2000, to be a "uniter." We all know how untrue that was and the machine that was put together that has politically divided the U.S. in way so complete as to be likely unprecedented.

        I'm relieved to know the Democrats have accomplished what they have...because the odds are still stacked against them.

        • 3 votes
        #1.14 - Sun Aug 3, 2008 12:40 PM EDT
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        JoulesBeef

        geez

        Bush won $162 billion in war money — without any restrictions — well into 2009; his term ends in January. He also got expanded powers for intelligence agencies to eavesdrop, without warrants, on suspected terrorists.

        Still, Pelosi said, with the help of Republican defectors and fierce negotiating with Bush, "we did find some areas where, although he initially resisted, he came around."

        That was true of an economic relief measure developed quickly by Pelosi, House Republican leader John A. Boehner of Ohio and Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson that sent rebates of $600 to $1,200 to most wage-earners. The checks are widely credited for having a positive effect on the economy.

        we gave bush everythign he wanted but we got a few more people to get a rebate that was nothing bu a small speed bump on our way to recession and she is proud of that?

        sounds like she likes fighting hard from small concession with bush and then completely capitulatiing at other times. Its sickening. and the dems call her "leadership". It just looks like a damn wrestling match..you can see the punches beign puilled.

        • 6 votes
        Reply#2 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 11:23 AM EDT
        Kim-401394

        I'm NOT a supporter of the war by any means and I understand your frustration BUT we have to support the troops already there. I have had friends over there. Bush f^cked up! Big time! The Iraqis need to get their act together and we can leave. Then, if they want to kill each other....well. We can't just leave! Won't happen and would be irresponsible to consider! And Petraius is just another Bushbaby yea-sayer. (Bush forced those who really had ideas on what would happen if we went to war in Iraq to retire. And they were right!) YOU want to put the all blame on us being there on the Democrats. How misguided of you. Typical of the neocons. Shameful of you!

          Reply#3 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 11:28 AM EDT
          Sgt. Pepper

          Neocon? Pleeeeease! (Voting Obama 08) I'm just a guy who hates being lied to. Pelosi and Reid said in 2006 that there will be a new direction in the Iraq war. Almost two years later and we are still here, minus thousands of Iraqi citizens and US troops.

          Plane and simple: Democrats can end the war now, but they won't.

          • 4 votes
          #3.1 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 11:53 AM EDT
          Rixar13

          Sgt. Pepper, I too am voting for Obama in 2008. Without 61 votes in the Senate it was impossible for Democrat's to end the Iraq war. Hopefully this election will throw out many of the Republicans stifling end to this disaster. Two that come to my mind are Alaska Senator that has been indited and in my state of Maine Democrat Tom Allen will replace Replace Republican Susan Collins in the Senate.

          I believe the neo-cons house of cards will fall this election.?

          • 3 votes
          #3.2 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 1:19 PM EDT
          Sgt. Pepper

          Without 61 votes in the Senate it was impossible for Democrat's to end the Iraq war.

          Well, you are part right. Yes, without 61 votes in the Senate, Democrats cannot stop the authorization for the Iraq war. However, they can pass an appropriation bill that will stop funding for the war. Even if the bill is vetoed, it won't matter because Bush will not have any money to continue the war, thus it would have to end.

          • 1 vote
          #3.3 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
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          Katie-girl

          As if they have done anything but waste our money and time. Lets get real! It took a Republican control Congress and Democrat president to get us out of this mess last time. Its should happen again and we should learn our lesson.

            Reply#4 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
            Sgt. Pepper

            Agreed. I like Obama, but I don't want him to have a rubber stamp from Congress.

            • 3 votes
            #4.1 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 11:56 AM EDT
            Reply
            Dawn Allison

            So, in other words, dems did nothing to benefit your average, overtaxed struggling taxpayer, but they did use our tax dollars to again, raise folks from cradle to crave. They grew gov. when we should be shrinking it. Democrats used emotion with the Iraq war to get into power, much as the same way they use emotional issues with vets to grow welfare. they lied to get into power, and I wish this country would stop depending on dems and repubs and vote third party.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#5 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 12:00 PM EDT
            Hot Rod Stewart

            "The $168 billion in economic aid was in essence a tax cut that omitted many of Democrats' highest priorities, including jobless benefits and heating and food aid for the poor. But it did fulfill the Democrats' goal of sending checks to low-income people."

            They can keep their check, I want health care, food aid, and a REAL solution to the housing market.

            • 4 votes
            #5.1 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 12:59 PM EDT
            jfrank

            They can keep their check, I want health care, food aid, and a REAL solution to the housing market.

            That would be nice.

            • 2 votes
            #5.2 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
            Reply
            Bob Omaha

            Democrtas s-k.

              Reply#6 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
              John-384989

              If you put the United States Government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there
              would be a shortage of sand.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#7 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
              bluecollarbytes

              Look at the photo folks. This is the sum total of an Obama presidency- same old Democrats same as the new Democrats working together to take more of your money, rights, & choices, while imposing more convoluted interference on the real world of those who Produce. Obama is nothing more than the pretty face slapped on top.

                Reply#8 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 2:07 PM EDT
                Elvis-362920

                We read the article entitled "Analysis: Democrats exact price from Bush for war". Now when will they write the article entitled "Analysis: Democrats exact price from war IF WE DID NOT FIGHT IT?". Also, why is it always "Bush's" war? Unfortunately the word "Bush" is used by those intellectually defunct liberals for everything that has, is or will go wrong in America. If they are so intelligent, can they explain to me where the World Trade Center is?

                Harry Reid is a joke. With his moronic statement of "We'll fight if we must" from this pathetic little man who claims we lost the war. Now big mouth Harry is now ready to duke it out with President Bush. I served in three foreign conflicts Harry, how many did you serve in?

                • 1 vote
                Reply#9 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 2:10 PM EDT
                jfrank

                World Trade Center is?

                Not in Iraq, that's for sure.

                I'm still waiting for Bush to tell me where Osama bin Laden is, you know the guy behind the terrorist attacks. The ones Saddam had nothing to do with.

                • 1 vote
                #9.1 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
                Elvis-362920

                Oh yes, Saddam Hussein. He's is the guy that tried to kill President George H. Bush. He's is the guy who openly admitted to paying the families of suicide bombers $25,000 when they killed Jews in Israel (Jew hating anti-semite's will omit this fact) which constitutes the fact he supported international terrorism. He is the guy who had the capability to make biological and chemical weapons, which he did, and he did use them on the Shietes, Kurds and Iranians. He probably would have used them against US forces in the Gulf War, but he is not that stupid since it is the policy of the US to not use Bio, Chem or Nukes as a first strike, BUT if the enemy uses them, well all those submarines in the Red Sea were ready to Nuke him! He is the guy that did not have any WMD, but kept jerking the UN inspectors around and threw them out; and further was handed an ultimatum by the UN, NOT the US of A that military action was authorized. Did I miss anything here? Or did Saddam miss anything, not that it really matters since the Country of Iraq tried him for his murderous crimes and hung him. In regards to Osama Bin Laden, who really cares? He has had to live like a rat, that is if he is still alive for the past seven years. Some other half educated idiot will take his place.

                • 1 vote
                #9.2 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
                jfrank

                In regards to Osama Bin Laden, who really cares? He has had to live like a rat, that is if he is still alive for the past seven years. Some other half educated idiot will take his place.

                I care and so should every American citizen.

                The Iraq "war" is still bogus. The idea of saying it's the same as going after the Taliban is crap. Two different bad people.

                • 2 votes
                #9.3 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
                Elvis-362920

                Your statement "I care and so should every American citizen." is 100% correct. So correct that a couple days after 9-11 I requested to come out of retiremnt from the Army. My family and friends thought I was nuts having already participated in three foreign conflicts. But then from the words of a Great Greek philosopher only the dead have seen the end of war. Do Americans care? Some, not many. I do not remeber our youth lining up at the recruiting stations like in WW II, even though during the Viet Nam War you all the cowards say they would fight if our country was attacked. All nonsense.

                If you beleive that Saddam Hussain hated America then read on, if not goodbye. Still there? We beat and humiliated him in the Gulf War. Come September 11, 2001, Saddam realizes that their are people like him that not only hate America, but are willing to attack us right here. That gives him motive to further his sponsorship of international terrorisim. You admit he is "bad people" . You do beleive he did sponsor international terrorism by supporting attacks in israel? Dan Rather interviewed him and Saddam admitted that fact. Saddam need to go. He had his chance and made the wrong decision.

                In regards to the Iraq War, it is not bogus. How it has been planned and executed is bogus. Donald Rumsfeld in my opinion is an idiot. I wish I could have put my two cents in at the Pentagon, but they had all the Rumsfeld clones there. Big mistake to have disbanded the Iraqi Army, they should have disarmed and had them stand down. The cleric leaders and militias should have been approached to join in stabelizing the country. Did someone forget Iraq belonged to the Iraqi's, not America? The boarders with Iran and Syria should have been guarded and anything moving into Iraq destroyed. I wonder if Donald Rumsfeld though of those ideas? No and his Divisonal Generals though they were playing D-Day. Unfortunately people die and are injured in war. What is unacceptable are command decisons that knowing lead to more deaths and injuries. History books are full of screw ups any military novice could have predicted.

                • 1 vote
                #9.4 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 9:26 PM EDT
                jfrank

                Yeah, Saddam was a bad guy and is against Israel. But Saddam had known of Taliban and their world wide terrorist attacks ( not the size of 9/11 but attacks none the less ) before September 11th 2001. Saddam & Osama weren't linked. They wouldn't even like each other, both are about being the supreme power. Each other is a threat to that.

                I'm glad Saddam is out of power. I don't agree with us being there. And hated that the media pretending it is linked to 9/11. There is no real goal in this war. To achieve peace in the middle east, they will need to do it themselves.

                Sorry my reply was short, I'm hyped on cold medication currently.

                • 1 vote
                #9.5 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 11:21 PM EDT
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                Dan Hallo, aka, Zoilus

                Lets see how often they change the headline this time.

                Analysis: Democrats exact price from Bush for war

                If this is not the first one, someone please teach me.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#10 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 2:11 PM EDT
                Noran Taylor

                "Americans" will accept anything, so let's all laugh at another one of McCain's new ads while oil prices go up, food prices go up. The housing market goes in the toilet, big business take in big profits and outsourcing our jobs, and we sit let the hard earn money we make flow through out pockets like water. If gas reached five dollars or more, Americans would say 'Oh well let me dig a little deeper in my pocket" and pay the price. If anybody out there has a "gimmick" that can make quick money better strike while the iron is hot, because the money is out there and "American" are willing to shell it out! And as far as Obama goes about his changing his mind on the oil issue, there are ten congressmen from both sides (5) Dem and (5) Rep. decided that something must be done to help the pockets of American at the pump. Obama at a press conference say that he would sign to this plan.
                The plan is to let the states decide whether or not to drill off their shores for oil and other things that will help cool the oil crisis. Now you want to say that Obama flip-flop, no he did not he saw it as bi-partisanship at work something he has done as a senator in his state of Illinois. And why not sign off on a "good deal when you see one" at least bi-partisanship can work.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#11 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
                VisionCoast

                What an interesting fly-on-the-wall look at what Congress has been doing this year. I have to hand it to the Democrats for negotiating how they did and on the issues they chose. It's a relief to see some help coming to the working poor...maybe Democrats could return to their roots? I guess there's hope.

                Bill Moyers Journal last night re-aired "Capitol Crimes" with an update at the end, which explains a lot about the "rot at the core of government" and how it happened during this administration's time in D.C. Watching the program, it's not too difficult to understand how Bush still holds some sway. If anyone's interested in the program, you can find it at the PBS website under Programs A-Z.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#12 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
                Wake Up To Reality

                The fact of the matter is, had the idiot and his cronies (including McWeasel and Lieberman) NOT bullied the American people into invading Iraq we wouldn't have to argue this issue to begin with.
                Just like this "solving of the anthrax drama" coming out of the woodworks all of a sudden." Close to election, Dubya's days are numbered, and he and McWeasel still working on their trademark scare tactics. This whole thing is too fishy for me.
                In case people forget:
                On October 18, the Wall Street Journal featured no less than three articles blaming Iraq for anthrax. Meanwhile, Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen screamed, "Saddam and his bloody bugs have to go," and two days later, Senators McCain and Lieberman advocated attacking Iraq.

                http://www.ccmep.org/hotnews/creating120201.html

                Everyone should really be doing fact finding, and using their brains and not their emotional feelings. Do you really want McBush as president? A one track mind, backward thinking, contradictory, ambivalent, hot tempered, emotional, greedy friend of lobbyists, oil companies, large corporations, and special interest groups?
                McFlip can not even get his facts straight, on the verge of senility and/or Alzheimer's. He does not know anything of the economy, or truly understand the healthcare issues. All he knows about is making war! Do you guys want the draft back??
                Do you want this 72 year old hypocrite to hand us another 4 years of the Bush administration? If you say yes, you guys are in for a very, very rude awakening, because McDud will be a puppet ruler of the cronyism who is pooling money into his campaign.
                You all should be more internet savvy than McBush, and you should be able to gather your facts, such as recently with ExxonMobil profits of billions of dollars this 2nd quarter, and yes, donating over a million to McSame's campaign last June – alone.
                Fact that McSame voted 95%WITH Bush in 2007, and God knows how many times this year. That he is a total hypocrite, because he had voted against any funding for them – yet he is willing to sacrifice the lives of American soldiers for a war he help Bush create. For what?!
                http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559

                And just in case you wondering whatever happened to textile mills in SC – well, we are now getting everything from China. As for the car manufacturing Michigan, they are now in Canada, as stated by Fareed Zakaria in 360's Special Edition last night. Why? Because Canada has a universal healthcare so companies do not need to provide health insurance for their employees! Obviously, we are losing our jobs here in America thanks to Bush/McCain cronyism.

                If we want to change the politics of Washington and regain our country back and provide a future for our children and grandchildren in this country – vote for Obama.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#13 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
                MaryGJ

                Amen JM from another Florida voter who will be watching very, very closely starting now if they decide to purge the voter rolls again.

                  #13.1 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 5:05 PM EDT
                  VisionCoast

                  JM,

                  If U.S. voters would do their homework instead of watching CNN or FoxNews, it would enable them to make a much more informed vote. But people are too busy, too biased, too lazy, too whatever. Then you have those who are of the "don't confuse me with the facts" ilk. They want their ideology, no matter what. Those are the people who scare me the most.

                  The information is out there. It just takes some and effort time to dig it up. But voters have a responsibility, a civic duty, a patriotic obligation to know the facts (and forgo the emotions) before they select the leader of the free world.

                    #13.2 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 5:36 PM EDT
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                    Epictetus

                    Not sure how to feel about this article. The lingering thought in the back of my mind is, how are we a s a country supposed to afford all the initiatives, and aid? Aren't we already continuing to go into deficit each day with what we are spending now?

                      Reply#14 - Sun Aug 3, 2008 12:56 PM EDT
                      MaryGJ

                      End the war in Iraq. Do not renew Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy and pass a windfall profits tax on the oil companies for starters. Stop spending billions on another failed war that would be the drug war.

                      Only with a republican congress and only an arrogant republican president would pass tax cuts extending past his administration into another.

                      If this government can file lawsuits against the cigarette companies and raise taxes on them, surely they can do the same for the oil companies. I am not equating the two in terms of what they are, just the profits and the desired results.

                        #14.1 - Sun Aug 3, 2008 9:16 PM EDT
                        Bob-405795

                        So Mary, how do you decide which companies should be taxed on their "windfall" profits and which ones shouldn't? Is there a threshold % that once the company starts earning more, they should hand it over to the government?

                          #14.2 - Thu Aug 7, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
                          Bob-405795

                          Let's just tax every profit generating company in America so we can redistribute all that wealth that came from hard work to those that do nothing and are nothing but a drain on society. Every person in this country has the opportunity to do something wonderful, meaningful, and EARN a living IF they WANT to.

                          Should we provide a home, healthcare, and a job for all the illegal immigrants?

                            #14.3 - Thu Aug 7, 2008 3:53 PM EDT
                            MaryGJ

                            Tax the oil companies just like they are doing the cigarette companies they are the ones holding people hostage...But wait, poor folks smoke cigarettes and rich white folks make the oil money. So let's just keep on taxing to poor to death til they give up cigarettes but the rich can continue to benefit from America's use of foreign oil.

                            Let the Bush tax cuts expire since he and the crooked rubber stamp congress had no business passing tax cuts into another administration.

                              #14.4 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:38 PM EDT
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                              VisionCoast

                              Bob-405795,

                              Let's just tax every profit generating company in America so we can redistribute all that wealth that came from hard work...

                              You mean like the CEOs, COOs, CFOs, CIOs, president, Board of Directors and friends of Exxon, ConocoPhillips, Chevron, Shell Oil et al. who have "earned" their obscene annual salaries, bonuses and stock options?

                              ...redistribute all that wealth that came from hard work to those that do nothing and are nothing but a drain on society.

                              You mean like the single mom who works two jobs and still can't afford healthcare for herself or her children, or the responsible husband who supports a family and their American lifestyle then loses his job, exhausts his unemployment compensation and is looking down the barrel of bankruptcy?

                              Your thinking is far too generalized. There are some who actually deserve their big, fat paychecks and others who steal them from the uninformed, distracted consumer. There are lazy, uneducated people who take the easy way out (read: drug dealers, sex workers) and there are decent, hard-working people who need help through no fault of their own.

                                Reply#15 - Fri Aug 8, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
                                MaryGJ

                                You mean like the single mom who works two jobs and still can't afford healthcare for herself or her children, or the responsible husband who supports a family and their American lifestyle then loses his job, exhausts his unemployment compensation and is looking down the barrel of bankruptcy?

                                But I bet you the company CEOs and officers made big bucks.

                                  #15.1 - Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:40 PM EDT
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