Some people who sell things on eBay are fed up with new rules the company has been imposing in hopes of making the auction site more attractive to online shoppers. Now even more changes are coming in the next few weeks, but this time eBay Inc. hopes it can cool tempers.
Already this year, eBay has tinkered with its fee structure, search results and feedback system. These efforts might be meeting eBay's aims of improving the experience for buyers, but several sellers say their relationship with eBay is worse than ever, and some have left the site entirely.
Jonathan Garriss, executive director of the Professional eBay Sellers Alliance and head of Gotham City Online, which sells shoes on eBay, said his group's members are seeing fewer of their listed items sell, and lower average prices for things that do sell.
EBay has been rejigging its vast Internet marketplace in hopes of turning around a troubling trend: Its number of active users is barely rising. In the most recent quarter, the figure rose 1.4 percent to 84.5 million.
One big change came in January, when eBay altered its complex fee structure and said it was trying to encourage sellers to offer more items for sale, which in turn could attract more buyers.
Generally, eBay cut the fees it charges for listing an item, but raised its commissions on completed sales of products auctioned for less than $1,000 or sold at fixed prices lower than $100. Meanwhile, the company began taking a lesser bite out of higher-end fixed-price sales — as much as 4 percent instead of a previous maximum of 5 percent.
At the time, eBay said more than 60 percent of its sellers would save money under the new rules. But plenty of complaints poured in. EBay responded by cutting listing fees by as much as half for items in its "media" category — such as books and DVDs — that sell for under $25.
Still, many sellers were still unhappy that unlike in the past — when eBay consistently talked of a level playing field for brand-name companies and weekend attic-raiders alike — a new top tier of vendors seems to have an easier time flooding the marketplace.
Under a new "Diamond PowerSeller" plan, the highest-volume merchants may be eligible for reduced fees. One Diamond PowerSeller, Buy.com Inc., is offering so many goods on eBay that many sellers suspect Buy.com is listing items practically for free. EBay won't comment on Buy.com's arrangement.
Buy.com's listings also emphasize eBay's move toward sales with set prices rather than its traditional auction format. EBay says auctions are not going away, but fixed-price sales are the fastest-growing part of the company's marketplace, increasing 60 percent a year.
And more changes are afoot. EBay announced Wednesday that starting Sept. 16, it will let U.S. sellers pay 35 cents to list an unlimited number of identical items at a set price, for a month at a time. Previously, fixed-price listing fees could run as high as $4 per item, and the listings were good for a week.
EBay's president of marketplace operations, Lorrie Norrington, acknowledged there has been "a lot of change" this year. But she said the company carefully considered the moves and believes they are improving buyers' experience because "the best values from trusted sellers become better and better."
For some sellers, like Michael Knight, who dismantles motorcycles and sells the parts on eBay from Garland, Texas, the sheer volume of recent adjustments has been frustrating.
"I have no control. I have to comply with anything they choose to do and I have no voice in the matter," he said.
Knight would like to move off eBay, but says it's difficult to transfer his listings to another site. Other sites will not easily accept the photos embedded in his item descriptions, and modifying every one of his almost 4,000 listings "is just not practical."
"I'd be giving up a month's income to get that done. That's the only thing that's keeping me on eBay — the inconvenience of leaving," he said.
Bruce Hershenson of West Plains, Miss., had spent 10 years selling vintage movie posters on eBay. Instead he now does that twice a week on his own site, eMoviePoster.com, using technology offered by AuctionAnything.com Inc.
"I talk to other people who have done what I did and they're happy with their decision. They've been able to get their business to the eBay business levels or beyond," Hershenson said.
His poster auctions on eBay had started at 99 cents each, so under the fee structure eBay imposed in January, he would have paid 15 cents to list each poster, down from 20 cents. But his average poster sold for $50, and eBay's take on that sale price would rise to about $3.07, from about $2.12 previously.
Even with a discount he could get by keeping his customer-feedback ratings high, he expected to pay eBay almost $20,000 more per year.
Sellers have also bristled at changes in eBay's feedback policy, one of the site's traditional hallmarks. In the spring, the company removed sellers' ability to leave negative or neutral feedback for buyers, though buyers can still offer negative assessments of sellers. EBay also adjusted its search engine so that items being hawked by people with poorer feedback ratings come up lower in search results.
Some sellers complain that this put them at the mercy of unscrupulous buyers who try to take advantage of the rating system.
"Many times you feel like they're really pushing it to see if you'll give them some kind of a refund," said Bill Cartmel, who sells records on eBay from Lewiston, Maine. "They'll float the suggestion that 'This isn't exactly what I expected.'"
EBay's Norrington said that sellers can report such abuse, and that the company hasn't seen it much.
Even with the rancor, some sellers clearly have benefited from eBay's changes. Steven Holt and his wife, Crystal, who sell DVDs from Denison, Iowa, say they've seen record sales since the spring, when eBay search results began favoring vendors who, like them, have high feedback ratings.
Yet Holt understands why some sellers may be upset. He notes that the uncertain effect of fee changes, combined with an iffy economy, "is naturally going to be a concern."
"When eBay makes these dramatic changes, it can make you very nervous," he said. "But again, eBay is doing what eBay believes it has to do to protect its marketplace."
There is an old saying, if it ain't broke don't fix it, guess Ebay never heard of this.
It as broke. I had stopped buying on eBay until recently, after I received bad feedback from two sellers. One lost the item, sent it out, but didn't know who to. The other did a bait and switch. Both had my money (I use "buy it now') and my address, and I waited a week before contacting them about the merchandise. Sellers on eBay traditionally waited until after buyers left feedback to determine what their feedback would be. I left the site and started shopping anywhere but eBay. My solution to the feedback problem was to have sellers leave feedback first, because once they have your money and shipping information, the rest of the sell is on them.
Also, shipping charges tend to be higher on eBay than on Amazon, Overstock...
They are following the standard business model of start-ups:
Germination - appreciation - propagation - monetization - litigation - consultants.
It should be noted that eBay owns PayPal, and takes a percentage of the payment made this way. So, by forcing all payments to be electronic, they now stand to make even more money.
Sadly, other online auction sites only get a fraction of the traffic, thus keeping eBay as the only place to do business.
People who make livings selling online don't have much of a choice. If they leave - they lose. If they stay - they lose.
Count me in the group of people who ditched ebay.
It is outright impossible for a person selling new, readily available items (LEGO sets, in my case) for a profit. Average prices range between 15-20% above cost with an average 12% in fees between ebay and paypal. A guy can't make money. Then you have the hassle of posting feedback, dealing with ebays complex online interface, and all that, and it isn't worth it. That is why I launched my own website, and at $80 a year and 3% fees per payment, I am saving $500-$1000 a month at the cost of only about $1000 a less in sales.
It was broken. I had stopped buying on eBay until recently, after I received bad feedback from two sellers. One lost the item, sent it out, but didn't know who to. The other did a bait and switch. Both had my money (I use "buy it now') and my address, and I waited a week before contacting them about the merchandise. Sellers on eBay traditionally waited until after buyers left feedback to determine what their feedback would be. I left the site and started shopping anywhere but eBay. My solution to the feedback problem was to have sellers leave feedback first, because once they have your money and shipping information, the rest of the sell is on them.
Also, shipping charges tend to be higher on eBay than on Amazon, Overstock...
I started selling items on EBay earlier this year but I've now practically quit. You can't sell your items when EBay has become so commercialized. Everyone is now a POWERSELLER, flooding EBay with products for sale with PURCHASE IT NOW.
EBay is no longer an auction site where the little guy can sell his junk. Too bad.......... A good thing has come to an end.
I started selling items on EBay earlier this year but I've now practically quit. You can't sell your items when EBay has become so commercialized. Everyone is now a POWERSELLER, flooding EBay with products for sale with PURCHASE IT NOW.
EBay is no longer an auction site where the little guy can sell his junk. Too bad.......... A good thing has come to an end.
Stupid west coast mindset. Left wing. Can't be bothered with customer service.
To heck with the little guy, to heck with freedoms FOUGHT for by our fathers.
SOMEBODY PLEASE START UP A FREE -BAY.
I stopped selling on EBay two years ago when this same type of situation happened.
They do this every year, wait out the bad publicity and then go on with business as usual. They will do this again this year as well.
The majority of sellers on EBay are not going to make any money selling on there anymore. They haven't for a long time now.
YOU ARE FORGETTING TO ADD A NEW DEVELOPMENT! EBAY HAS NOW ANNOUNCED NEW MAXIMUMS THAT A SHIPPER CAN CHARGE FOR SHIPPING AN ITEM AND NO MORE CHECKS AND MONEY ORDERS..
FOR EXAMPLE, ONE CAN NO LONGER CHARGE A SHIPPING PRICE ABOVE 3.00 FOR A DVD. SOUNDS GOOD, HUH? BUT WHEN MY COST TO SHIP A DVD IS 3.28 AND DOESN'T INCLUDE THE COST OF PAYPAL AND EBAY FEES, I AM IN THE TOILET. I WILL NEED TO RAISE MY STARTING BIDS AND THIS WILL RESULT IN A DECLINE IN SALES, SO I WILL NEED TO LIMIT MY LISTINGS.
35% OF MY SALES ARE FROM CHECKS AND MONEY ORDERS. WE CAN NO LONGER ACCEPT THEM, BEGINNING IN OCTOBER 2008. MANY PEOPLE DON'T TRUST ELECTRONIC TRANSACTIONS WITH REGARDS TO BANK ACCOUNTS AND CREDIT CARDS. SALES WILL DECLINE AND SO WILL MY REVENUES. THIS WILL FORCE PEOPLE TO NAVIGATE TO OTHER SITES SUCH AS IOFFER.COM OR CRAIGS LIST (DOESN'T EBAY HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL FINANCIAL INTEREST IN BOTH OF THOSE TWO SITES)?
KEEP IN MIND WHAT EBAY IS. EVEN THOUGH EBAY IS A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY, IT IS A MONEY LAUNDERING OPERATION. EBAY IS OWNED AND OPERATED BY ORGANIZED CRIME! SALES WILL NEVER DECLINE AND SALES WILL ALWAYS INCREASE. THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO STEP IN AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL SELLERS HAVE A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER AND THAT ALL SALES ARE REPORTED TO THE IRS. EBAY IS LYING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED USERS IN ORDER TO LAUNDER MONEY. THINK ABOUT IT! THANK YOU!
Why is it $3.28 for you to ship a DVD when you can ship it via first class for less than $2.00? I ship DVDs from half.com all the time via first class and have never seen a first class weighing DVD cost that much. Even media mail is less than $2.50. If you want your buyers to absorb the price of a roll of brown paper and tape you can get from a dollar store, then maybe you should put that in the price of the DVD instead of shipping because like I said before, I ship DVDs all the time and always go first class or media.
Well that's the whole problem. There are no other auction sites that have the same type of power as Ebay. People leave and go somewhere else, but who knows where those places are? So because Ebay is so well known, you're almost forced to use them. I agree with another poster that Ebay is no longer the great auction site. It's now a store front with too many buy it now items. So sad that money is what is driving this company rather than the original intent of a place all people could come and auction whatever they have. Just a shame.
Remember a month ago when eBay announced it was closing down eBay Live Auctions? There is a lawsuit against eBay filed by buyers for shill bidding and now lawsuits have been filed against eBay Live for offering a competitive edge to a few live auction sellers who may have reaped millions in revenues by using an option/tool to flood the front of eBay core categories (during the last few years). The story is being followed at There's much more to this story then anyone could have imagined. The story can be followed at www.legaleagles.wordpress.com
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