McCain chides a newly feisty Obama as 'testy'

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Republican presidential candidate John McCain chided his Democratic rival on Wednesday for getting "a little testy" as Barack Obama sharpened his tone amid a tightening White House race that gets nastier by the day.

"I honor his service. I don't honor his policies. I don't honor his politics," Obama said, taking on his GOP opponent with renewed vigor while some Democrats fret that their candidate has not been aggressive enough.

Both candidates also unveiled fresh attack advertisements ahead of their back-to-back national conventions.

Trying anew to tie McCain to the unpopular President Bush, Obama's TV commercial asks: "Can we really afford more of the same?" It slams McCain's tax plan as a giveaway for big corporations and oil companies. McCain's radio ad claims: "Celebrities like to spend their millions. Barack Obama is no different. Only it's your money he wants to spend."

Democrats privately and publicly are questioning whether Obama has a second act beyond his message of change and wondering whether he can throw an effective punch against a Republican Party willing to play hardball.

Obama was confronted by those concerns at a town hall meeting in Virginia Wednesday, when a woman told him McCain was running a lot of negative ads in the state.

"You think you can win by taking the higher ground? I worry about you," the woman said, but Obama insisted he was up for the fight.

"I'm skinny but I'm tough. We will hit back with the truth," the Illinois senator said. "We intend to win this election."

Republicans, in turn, are emboldened by improving poll numbers: Even ardent critics of McCain's campaign see a way he could win although Bush's unpopularity remains a drag and war and economic distress have created a dreadful political environment for the GOP.

New national polls show McCain starting to close a summer-long Obama edge.

The Pew Research Center's latest survey found Obama at 46 percent and McCain at 43 percent, tighter than the 8-percentage-point gap just two months ago. The survey found that McCain has solidified his base support, particularly among whites, men, Republicans and evangelicals. Conversely, Obama has made few gains, but has retained his overwhelming advantage among blacks and younger voters, while also leading among women.

After struggling to find his footing, McCain has put Obama on defense over the past few weeks.

In ads and speeches, he worked to plant the idea in voters' minds that Obama lacked the experience and substance to be president. McCain also reversed himself to support offshore drilling amid high gas prices, and that new message has helped unite dispirited Republicans.

More recently, the Arizona senator struck a hawkish stance during Georgia-Russia conflict in the hope of turning the campaign conversation to his strength — national security. And, he delivered what was widely viewed as a strong performance last weekend before an audience of evangelicals, a Republican core constituency he has struggled to energize.

Even so, he still has found himself on the defensive at times in trying to shed his association with Bush — a link Obama and the Democrats are making at every turn. A recent AP-Yahoo poll showed that six of 10 adults say McCain will follow Bush's policies. Thus, McCain recently launched a TV ad stressing that he knows the country's worse off than it was four years ago and asserting: "He's the original maverick."

Asked by the AP about Obama's stepped-up criticism, McCain said Wednesday: "I don't pay that much attention to his campaign."

Obama has been criticizing McCain for months, though he's used humorous lines and a light touch to blunt the attacks on the campaign trail. He's also run critical TV ads, though more spots were positive than negative compared with McCain.

Then last week, Obama started airing more hard-hitting TV and radio ads against McCain that were tailored to individual media markets. Some featured pictures of McCain and Bush, while others accuse McCain of ignoring the hardships of the working class, failing to protect jobs, and catering to oil companies.

Obama aired 10,000 spots last week, of which almost 9,000 were anti-McCain, according to Evan Tracey, who tracks political ads as head of TNS Media Intelligence/Campaign Media Analysis Group. During the same period, McCain aired virtually all anti-Obama ads; of his 13,000 spots, only 302 didn't mention Obama.

This week, the Illinois senator returned revived from a Hawaiian vacation and stepped up his criticism of McCain — sending a message to supporters that he's up to waging a fierce fight.

On Monday, a feisty Obama called the economy a disaster thanks to "John McCain's president, George W. Bush" and methodically tore into McCain's health care, tax and offshore oil drilling policies. He said McCain arrived at his new offshore drilling position "when he started looking at polling."

A day later, Obama said McCain "doesn't know what he's up against," asserted that his rival was questioning his "character and patriotism" in his Iraq war stance and challenged McCain to stop.

"I have never suggested that Sen. McCain picks his positions on national security based on politics or personal ambition. I have not suggested it because I believe that he genuinely wants to serve America's national interest. Now, it's time for him to acknowledge that I want to do the same."

McCain countered Wednesday, saying: "Sen. Obama got a little testy on this issue. He said I was questioning his patriotism. Let me be clear — I am not questioning his patriotism. I am questioning his judgment."

McCain then pressed his attack. "Washington is full of talented talkers," McCain said. "The bottom line is that Sen. Obama's words, for all their eloquence and passion, don't mean all that much."

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Associated Press writers Jim Kuhnhenn in Washington, Beth Fouhy in Lynchburg, Va., and Philip Elliott and Alicia Caldwell in Las Cruces, N.M., contributed to this report.

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{"commentId":2521173,"authorDomain":"MGDasef"}

I'd get testy, too, McCain. How many lies from your campaign does Obama have to let slide?

Lies, lies, lies. That's all McCain has to offer and the American public is so stupid that they're buying it. The voters will get what the big oil companies pay for. A PTSD-ridden old man who cheated on his hospitalized first wife to take up with a new cutie, then let Ross Perot pay her medical bills. A man who couldn't fly a plane well enough not to crash it. A guy who doesn't know squat about economics. A jerk who votes one way and says he's voted another. A nitwit who has supported Bush's criminal activities from the beginning.

Yeah, I'm getting testy, too.

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Reply#1 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:41 PM EDT
{"commentId":2523047,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}

Come on, McCain, why don't you just come out and say what you really mean: "uppity n****r."

I want Barry to pound him into the ground with the truth. Make the truth hurt, Barry. Make it hurt bad.

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#1.1 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2529767,"authorDomain":"idcmanager"}

well, we'll all have time to discuss this at the "after-riot-party".....yep we will have one because (a) Obama got elected (b) Obama didnt get elected (c) hell we didnt have a big one in awhile (d) all of the above

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    #1.3 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2617167,"authorDomain":"rqcemanes"}
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    {"commentId":2621215,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}

    I had the idea that if Obama does or says something that scares me out of voting for him, too, I'll do a write-in vote for one of the founding fathers as a protest against being given a choice of "the lesser of two evils" - As it stands right now, Obama's got my vote, though.

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    #1.5 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":2521189,"authorDomain":"kokayi"}

    Good for McCain. Unfortunately nothing he says makes him worthy of being elected as president. It's the same crap you hear on Faux Mews.

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    Reply#2 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:42 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2524692,"authorDomain":"rqcemanes"}
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    {"commentId":2688616,"authorDomain":"kokayi"}

    You think?

    Opps, silly question.

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      #2.2 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 11:33 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":2521195,"authorDomain":"beachbabies1"}

      10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't):
      John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.1 According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."2 His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.3

      McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."4 The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.5 He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.6 Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."7 McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.8 McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."9 He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.10

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      Reply#3 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:43 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2521339,"authorDomain":"aine"}

      A clear case of "say one thing, do another" if I've ever seen one.

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      • 6 votes
      #3.1 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:57 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2521466,"authorDomain":"jwbuchan"}

      Original content?

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        #3.2 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:08 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2521561,"authorDomain":"jppager"}

        A couple of thoughts on those points. Some of them are good, but some are ridiculous.

        "1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws."

        I hardly believe that establishing a holiday constitutes as supporting civil rights. It's just another day for government employees to get off. Big whoop.

        "6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations."

        Just because McCain is filthy rich doesn't mean that people should be bitter that they are not. You should look at what is best for the prosperity of America. I really don't feel right having my tax dollars spent to help someone pay a mortgage they shouldn't have gotten in the first place.

        The other points are range from valid to splitting hairs.

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        #3.3 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2523872,"authorDomain":"vmithgurther"}

        The various points may or may not range from valid to splitting hairs but on one, you both seem to be missing a minor detail. Maybe it's splitting hairs, maybe it's not, but to myself at least, it's worth knowing:

        Richard said: "'1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.'"

        Jppager said: "I hardly believe that establishing a holiday constitutes as supporting civil rights. It's just another day for government employees to get off. Big whoop."

        To myself at least, it's an important fact on his views towards civil rights when it was hand in hand with his close ally at the time, Govoner Symington who declared on national television about that vote: "Well, I'm sorry we upset all you picka---ies."

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        #3.4 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:52 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2524745,"authorDomain":"rqcemanes"}
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        {"commentId":2521228,"authorDomain":"MissDev"}

        Not experienced enough? Experienced in what? Life? Politics? Look where political "experience" has gotten us. So Obama's not a career politician - is that really what we want? We need fresh views and new ideas in Washington. A lack of "experience" in this context is not a negative, it's a positive.

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        • 11 votes
        Reply#4 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:46 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2521699,"authorDomain":"geejay"}

        Exactly my thoughts. Since when has been a career Congresscritter been a plus? Since when do we like Washington insiders, ingrained with lobbyiests and the like?

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        • 9 votes
        #4.1 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:33 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2524780,"authorDomain":"rqcemanes"}
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        {"commentId":2521367,"authorDomain":"Rixar13"}

        McCain has an anger and memory problem and does a terrible job simply running his home finances with megabucks income and unpaid taxes on some of his several homes. He is out of touch with the average American working just to maintain low average living standard. Obama 2008

        Hit him hard Barack Obama.

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        • 6 votes
        Reply#5 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:00 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2524801,"authorDomain":"rqcemanes"}
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        {"commentId":2521515,"authorDomain":"visioncoast"}

        There's this gut feeling I have that Obama is smart enough to know he'll have to be creatively tough for a Democrat if he's going to beat down the Republican campaign machine. If it's wrong, I can't imagine facing yet another four years of GOP dictatorship.

        After the deficit Bush is going to leave us with, how can this quote from McCain really resonate with any Republicans:

        "Celebrities like to spend their millions. Barack Obama is no different. Only it's your money he wants to spend."

        Whose money does he want us to believe Bush has been spending? It's as though McCain thinks we're all suffering from amnesia.

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        • 5 votes
        Reply#6 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:12 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2522296,"authorDomain":"aine"}

        More to the point, whose money do you think McCain [has been and] will be spending if he's elected president? 8 years of Republican fiscal mismanagement has wiped out the balanced budget left by the last Democrat in the White House.

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        • 5 votes
        #6.1 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:45 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2522966,"authorDomain":"Jivatmanx"}

        Moreover, many people feel that spending money on war to invade soverign countries is more than simply a wasting of taxpayer money.

        I think it is morally reprehensible to use my money to slaughter innocents, to create, and then ignore, one of the worst refugee crises in history (Iraq), and then immediately step in for Georgia, because, well, they're Christians.

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        #6.2 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2523054,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
        More to the point, whose money do you think McCain [has been and] will be spending if he's elected president? 8 years of Republican fiscal mismanagement has wiped out the balanced budget left by the last Democrat in the White House.

        Well phrased, Aine - glad to have you back in the debate.

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        #6.3 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2523142,"authorDomain":"aine"}

        Thanks, P H. :)

        It's been a while since I heard a presidential candidate saying the words I'd typed on the screen... but it did happen... couple of times. Never think what you write isn't being read by people who can do something about it. It can happen.

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        #6.4 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:16 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2523212,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
        8 years of Republican fiscal mismanagement has wiped out the balanced budget left by the last Democrat in the White House

        Let's hope that Democrats can finally come up for air long enough to realize just how great the opportunity is before us. The pickings are easy - if we can focus on the right facts.

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        #6.5 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:23 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2524823,"authorDomain":"rqcemanes"}
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        {"commentId":2526639,"authorDomain":"visioncoast"}
        Let's hope that Democrats can finally come up for air long enough to realize just how great the opportunity is before us. The pickings are easy - if we can focus on the right facts.

        Ah, this has been bothering me for quite a while now. What ails the Democrats that they can't grasp and grab the opportunities right in front of them? Why do they lack the toughness it takes to compete succesfully against this relatively new, cut-throat GOP? Has a single Democratic strategist learned anything from Karl Rove (not that I recommend being a snake)?

        McCain presents myriad weaknesses through which the Democrats can punch holes. Let's hope they do it this time.

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        • 2 votes
        #6.7 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:19 AM EDT
        {"commentId":2617203,"authorDomain":"rqcemanes"}
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        {"commentId":2521980,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

        Those Republicans sure can't take what they dish out, can they?

        McCain, denounce John Corsi's book, do so specifically and do so in strong language. Then and only then will I listen to a word you say about "negative campaigning" by your opponent.

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        Reply#7 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2524860,"authorDomain":"rqcemanes"}
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        {"commentId":2542200,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

        The Republicans started it, however. And they started it in 1988 and have used the identical tactics in every election since.

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        • 1 vote
        #7.2 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:13 AM EDT
        {"commentId":2617321,"authorDomain":"rqcemanes"}
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        {"commentId":2522147,"authorDomain":"backroadsbubba"}

        I don't believe Obama honors anything. He dishonors his grandmother, which is mighty sleazy. He can't discern a terrorist (Ayers) when he sees one. He terms a baby as punishment, thus dishonoring human life.

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        • 1 vote
        Reply#8 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2524888,"authorDomain":"rqcemanes"}
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        {"commentId":2526151,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

        Backroads, better make up your mind about the "grandmother" issue. Didn't you get the fax about how Obama was a snooty elitist foreigner for going to Hawaii on vacation to see his Granny? People who live in the 50th state are not quite American, you know, because Hawaii has only been a state for 50 years, and it's elitist to go surfing there. So says Cokie Roberts, and she should know, because as a Senator's daughter, born in a mansion in the French Quarter of New Orleans, she understands the true pulse of Middle America.

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        • 5 votes
        #8.2 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:34 AM EDT
        {"commentId":2529634,"authorDomain":"torabu"}

        /facepalm

        According to backroads, America's founding fathers were terrorists. Absolutely brilliant. You might want to go back and realize what exactly a terrorist is. Ayers was what is more commonly known as a "rebel". No, not like the teenage punk "rebel", but a real one. You know, like in Star Wars -- the Rebel Fleet. Also, no, that doesn't make his actions any more justified; what he did was obviously not a great thing, but he most certainly was not a terrorist. In fact, Weather Underground went to great lengths to ensure no innocents were harmed in their protests.

        Then, just tie in trex's comment, and that pretty much shows how ridiculous some Republican ideology can be.

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        #8.3 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:43 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2617635,"authorDomain":"rqcemanes"}
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        {"commentId":2522626,"authorDomain":"bluecollarbytes"}

        This time IS the time where Obama should be selling his "politics" over the "politics" of McCain.

        Where's the compelling reason to support Obama? He has every opportunity to sell his positions on issues. It's up to him to convince Americans that his inexperience doesn't matter. It's McCain's job in part to point out that Obama is an inexperienced pop-star.

        Obama was maybe counting on "castrating" McCain like he did Hillary, PC style.

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        Reply#9 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2522831,"authorDomain":"torabu"}

        After watching a ton of Obama and McCain campaign ads, Senator Obama was busy talking about policies he would act upon in office, with reference to bills he participated in to substantiate his position.

        Meanwhile, Senator McCain was busy talking about Senator Obama, and offered things with no back-up or previous experience (assuming he offered anything at all -- depends on the ad).

        Now, granted, I was never a McCain supporter, but how on EARTH do his ads gain him support? It's mind boggling to me.

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        • 5 votes
        #9.1 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:42 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2523789,"authorDomain":"tabhi2004"}

        Torabu
        I also have watched McShame ad and they are all ways about Obama. not anything about his position on anything with substance I believe it is because he has others writing for him and they only know how to attack.

        I support Obama because he want to start the country back on there feet, by helping the job situation and the woman working for less pay and the gas prices, and food up and out of sight, the fact that he says it is going to be hard and we will have to help him and we all have to work together, that;s the part I really like and that is the fact that we all have to work together.

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          #9.2 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:36 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2524924,"authorDomain":"rqcemanes"}
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          {"commentId":2525722,"authorDomain":"lakeworthguy"}
          Voters nowadays mostly are wise and looks more on concrete proofs.

          Unfortunatly, voters nowadays are still the same idiots who voted for Bush the second time around.

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          • 2 votes
          #9.4 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:48 AM EDT
          {"commentId":2526707,"authorDomain":"visioncoast"}
          ...how on EARTH do his ads gain him support? It's mind boggling to me.

          I have a theory that those who support him are hardcore partyliners who don't want to be confused by facts. Actually, I think they don't want to have to change their opinions and admit any mistakes. They have made up their minds. If McCain was arrested today for raping a child, they'd still vote for him in Nov. if he was on the ballot.

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          #9.5 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:24 AM EDT
          {"commentId":2529684,"authorDomain":"torabu"}

          visioncoast, #9.5: "I have a theory that those who support him are hardcore partyliners who don't want to be confused by facts."

          I'm not so sure, though; he seems to be gaining popularity, and although polls aren't accurate, they're at least SOME sort of representation, right? Blows my mind.

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            #9.6 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2530247,"authorDomain":"visioncoast"}

            Torabu,

            I have a friend who calls himself a Libertarian, but he's actually more of a Republican in disguise, a charge he laughs at with a touch of admission. He will not vote for any candidate with a (D) near his/her name, simply on principle. Which principle, I have no idea, for he won't elaborate with any coherence. He doesn't like McCain and doesn't want McCain, but he's going to vote for him anyway.

            This example is one that leads me to think hardcore partylining is part of the problem. We all have a tendency to become entrenched in our belief systems and are very reluctant to consider other ways of thinking. It makes me think of the line from songwriter Tanita Tikaram:

            "I don't care about their different thoughts, Different thoughts are good for me."

            We'd benefit enormously as a nation if our citizenry would finally drop the blinders, listen to their opponents, discover and consider the facts, then admit that we all are subject to making mistakes. I've been doing this with the current criticism about Obama. Of the two candidates, he's my choice, but I don't want to go into a new presidency wearing rose-colored glasses. It's difficult at times, but it's the only honest thing to do. And I don't always succeed...yet!

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              #9.7 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
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              {"commentId":2622653,"authorDomain":"torabu"}

              Only in America have I seen people vote in politics like it's American (or any other country) Idol.

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                #9.9 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:58 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":2522636,"authorDomain":"rgallops"}

                Recently, Fox News presented two evenings of biographical documentary on Obama and McCain. After Saturday's Forum with Rick Warren, this UNDECIDED voter began to lean toward McCain. Unfortunately for McCain, Fox News presented a thorough – and hopefully accurate - walk through the accomplishments and personal lives of both candidates. To be quite frank, aside from John McCain's admirable loyalty to comrades in the Hanoi Hilton, we know the following: Poor and Disruptive student, bottom of his class at Annapolis, jerk-off womanizing less than stellar pilot, to wife and children with an extremely wealthy woman 20 years his younger, divorce, 30 years as a professional politician, defended a con-artist billionaire as member of the "Keating Five", worked to pass a bi-partisan but highly ineffective McCain-Feingold Act, profane outbursts of temper, knee jerk reactions, is in favor of re-instating the draft (as of today). Aside from the behavior of a few Obama supporters (aka Rev. Wright) and some experimentation with drugs in his late teens, Obama seems to be the exact opposite of the John McCain portrayed in the Fox bio: brilliant student, Harvard Law Review President, faithful husband and father, 20 years as an activist working with the "poor in spirit", controlled and thoughtful temperament. AS A CHRISTIAN I AM OBVIOUSLY CONFUSED REGARDING WHO I SHOULD VOTE FOR…or am I ?

                P.S. After nearly 10 years of Republican policy, we still have abortions, gay people, war, and excessive greed.

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                • 5 votes
                Reply#10 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:23 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2523893,"authorDomain":"tabhi2004"}

                Ron -434959

                I heard that he said he was would re-installing the Draft, that does not leave me with a good feeling cause if this guy does become our leader, the guy with attention deficient,

                THERE IS A PROBLEM!!! I AM NOT VOTING FOR THE OLD DUDE

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                • 2 votes
                #10.1 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:54 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2524936,"authorDomain":"rqcemanes"}
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                {"commentId":2526757,"authorDomain":"visioncoast"}

                Ron-434959,

                Read your comment again and maybe it will help clear your confusion. The difference are clear, as you wrote them. Just keep writing them till the facts sink in and you know in your gut which way to vote.

                {"commentId":2526757,"threadId":"335890","contentId":"1767412","authorDomain":"visioncoast"}
                • 1 vote
                #10.3 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:28 AM EDT
                {"commentId":2617678,"authorDomain":"rqcemanes"}
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                {"commentId":2522735,"authorDomain":"greenpagan"}

                last week, Obama started airing more hard-hitting TV and radio ads against McCain that were tailored to individual media markets. Some featured pictures of McCain and Bush, while others accuse McCain of ignoring the hardships of the working class, failing to protect jobs, and catering to oil companies.

                All Obama should harp on is this.

                ====

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                • 5 votes
                Reply#11 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:33 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2522870,"authorDomain":"emartens"}

                Priceless!

                ROFLMAO!

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                • 2 votes
                #11.1 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:46 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2522958,"authorDomain":"aine"}

                I dunno what I was expecting to see at that link, but ... yeah! LOL

                {"commentId":2522958,"threadId":"335890","contentId":"1767412","authorDomain":"aine"}
                • 4 votes
                #11.2 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2523080,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}

                Not only was he hugging the dude, he was getting ready to pull down his zipper...priceless indeed.

                Guess that Monica's got nothing on him...:-)

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                • 4 votes
                #11.3 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2523355,"authorDomain":"kear1221"}

                That's my new screensaver.

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                • 1 vote
                #11.4 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:39 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2524736,"authorDomain":"vmithgurther"}

                Oh please don't dis Monica. The older I get, the more I become convinced that woman was a true patriot maligned by us all for far too long. Lord knows, her actions did more good for us then this administrations has for the last eight years. I mean, think about it for a second: she gave Billy a happy and he gave us a balanced budget and a decent economy. Talk about taking one for the team- that girl took one for the country!

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                • 1 vote
                #11.5 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:09 AM EDT
                {"commentId":2526773,"authorDomain":"visioncoast"}

                Laugh, then puke. Then laugh again.

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                • 1 vote
                #11.6 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:29 AM EDT
                {"commentId":2617699,"authorDomain":"rqcemanes"}
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                {"commentId":2523317,"authorDomain":"knh"}

                Whatever McCain is paying his new strategist, double it. What a platform. If Obama doesn't respond, he's weak, if he does, he's testy. And this from the guy known for his temper and outbursts.

                They have no shame and certainly no platform so they just swing the bat and hope the ball smacks into it. Conversely if Obama can't handle it, he's not ready to be president.

                So while I think it's stupid of McCain in a perversely brilliant sort of way, I also think Obama will rise up to meet the challenge and then we'll see the real measure of the man, which I believe will be phenomenal when he's president.

                He will win of course and this is wonderful training for commander-in-chief. Small-minded rhetoric is not.

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                  Reply#12 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:35 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":2523527,"authorDomain":"Sem0lina"}

                  Ahh, hahahaha, John McCain, after spending the last weeks blowing poison darts at Obama now thinks he's 'FEISTY' when he holds a shield up????

                  Give me a break! This is just delicious. I hope he does choose that clown Lieberman as a VP and flush himself down the drain, he is not the McCain of 2000. The maverick part has made a hasty departure leaving only the gross and disgusting part behind.

                  Too bad Obama is the alternative for most people...

                  {"commentId":2523527,"threadId":"335890","contentId":"1767412","authorDomain":"Sem0lina"}
                    Reply#13 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:01 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":2527174,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

                    The word was "testy," actually. McCain will get his poetic justice if he loses and then follows in the footsteps of Bob Dole as a Viagra spokesman.

                    {"commentId":2527174,"threadId":"335890","contentId":"1767412","authorDomain":"wood-s"}
                    • 6 votes
                    #13.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:57 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":2528779,"authorDomain":"Sem0lina"}

                    Ha, ha, ha!

                    So I guess the rumor earlier this year about his affair with a younger woman was false...

                    Good, let him suffer a draught of female attention.

                    {"commentId":2528779,"threadId":"335890","contentId":"1767412","authorDomain":"Sem0lina"}
                      #13.2 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:48 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2542216,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

                      Actually, the possible affair with a lobbyist would have been some years ago. The really rich irony of that story is that it was probably someone on McCain's own staff that leaked it.

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                      • 2 votes
                      #13.3 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:15 AM EDT
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                      {"commentId":2523908,"authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}
                      John McCain chided his Democratic rival on Wednesday for getting "a little testy"

                      NO! Tell me that Senator McHotNoggin did NOT have the audacity (senility?) to go there!?!

                      {"commentId":2523908,"threadId":"335890","contentId":"1767412","authorDomain":"KyanaBelle"}
                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#14 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:56 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2523914,"authorDomain":"tabhi2004"}

                      OBAMA GO!!!

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                        Reply#15 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:57 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2524076,"authorDomain":"pttkou"}

                        There is a MW radio station called "six thirty WMAL". It sounds like time stands still for this station and sure enough if you can tolerate 10 minutes listening to Sean Hannity you'll agree that his style of simplistic conservatism has no courage to move forward and it gets to be nagging with distaste.

                        John McCain's ads and talks are the same. Whites Republicans Evangelicans etc. don't be brainwashed by Hannity's style of indoctrination He is just repeating the same tiresome stuff dishonorably to drag Obama down to McMcain's level. Surely one can love America but not be proud of it especially when there are people like John McCain and Hannity around. Add Mark L. and Rush L. to the list.

                        Having totally switched off I am signing off.

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                          Reply#16 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:25 AM EDT
                          {"commentId":2524108,"authorDomain":"gobbledegook"}

                          Cantankerous, crotchety curmudgeons insist on the natural virtue of economic irregularity, and expect you to honor that. Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac-- McCain fans agree, pwning God and Country is the way to be.

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                            Reply#17 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:31 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":2524222,"authorDomain":"cpaul44"}

                            As soon as the Convention ends and the Democratic VP is settled, the truth about John McCain and the danger he poses to America will be exposed. Truth, Not Lies will be told about John McCain and his ambition to create and engage in Foreign Wars of Aggression. His Impatience for Diplomacy and preference for War.(Ref: the Russia/Georgia conflict). Americans will be informed about McCain's Economic Policies that favour the Rich and has no concern for the poor and Middle Classes. About his Arrogance and Temper that will see an Unstable Cabinet and Conflict after Conflict with Congress. With an increasing gridlock between the President and Congress. McCain is more like Cheney than Bush. Cheney is Arrogant but Smart in his support of the American Elite and will do anything possible to ensure the privilege position of the Big Corporations. Bush is Unconcerned about Americans Opinion on his MisRule to the point of being Uncaring and unperturbed.But his jovial personality and his wife's compassion makes him less dangerous than Cheney or McCain (remember Cheney is the Architect of the Iraq War not Bush. Bush is the instrument of Cheney's mission and ambition for America). McCain like Cheney is Arrogant. He is Obsessed with War and the Defeat of perceived Enemies of America. He is only concerned about the Welfare of America's Elite. McCain is of the Elite Privileged Ruling Class and is their Political Representative. He belongs to the Military Elite Branch, which is the most revered of all the Elites as they, by virtue of their military role, defend the power, privilege and wealth of America's ruling class. John MC Cain, however, is an angry man in the evening of his life, who wants revenge for his treatment in a POW camp in Vietnam. A treatment,he feels is below his Elite Status. His revenge is to show his perceived enemies (of America ?) that they will be punished for supporting the Viet-Cong during the Vietnam War). The danger is, who were the supporters of the Viet-Cong? They were Russia and China. The major Nuclear Powers are the USA, Russian and China. Could we imagine first time military conflicts with these countries? Or the possibility of War with Russia and China? What connection does McCain have with the Georgian President? Who gave the OK for the Georgian action? This Election is perhaps the most important since the Civil War. It may be a choice between, on the one hand (Obama) - Peace, International Co-Operation and the Resurgence of the American Economy and its People. On the other hand (McCain) - War, International Conflicts and the Continued Economic Downturn and Crisis of the American Economy and more Economic Pressures on it's People. American voters need to decide based on facts and not emotion.

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                            • 3 votes
                            Reply#18 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:52 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":2524422,"authorDomain":"donlmartin"}

                            As an Obama supporter, I agree Obama should respond where it is needed. Obama must throw some mud at McCain. John McCain has a lot of factual positions that are ripe for picking a fight. And taking him off message.

                            The Obama camp seems to be expert defenders rather than expert offenders. Maybe they need some personel changes in the war department, I am available .

                            The McCain camp are using the tactics from the Karl Rove play book that got GW Bush elected twice and the Republicans via John McCain appear to be using it with success once again according to the latest poll results.

                            {"commentId":2524422,"threadId":"335890","contentId":"1767412","authorDomain":"donlmartin"}
                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#19 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:43 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":2529757,"authorDomain":"torabu"}

                            In reference to the Karl Rove tactics...

                            "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

                            What about if it happens a third time?

                            {"commentId":2529757,"threadId":"335890","contentId":"1767412","authorDomain":"torabu"}
                            • 1 vote
                            #19.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2542183,"authorDomain":"wood-s"}

                            A country gets the government it deserves. The question is whether we've learned enough from our stupidity to deserve better this time around.

                            {"commentId":2542183,"threadId":"335890","contentId":"1767412","authorDomain":"wood-s"}
                            • 3 votes
                            #19.2 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:12 AM EDT
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                            {"commentId":2524664,"authorDomain":"singularvox"}

                            Ms. Sidoti, a member of the Associated Press, wrote:

                            "In ads and speeches, he *worked to plant the idea in voters' minds* that Obama lacked the experience and substance to be president."---Not very objective or sophisticated writing here. Did McCain say these words? If not, what words did McCain say to lead to Ms. Sidoti's conclusion, printed as fact?

                            "McCain also reversed himself to support offshore drilling amid high gas prices, and that new message has helped unite dispirited Republicans."----I think Obama's the one most famous for reversing himself on this issue---following McCain's lead.

                            "More recently, the Arizona senator struck a hawkish stance during Georgia-Russia conflict in the hope of turning the campaign conversation to his strength — national security."

                            ---I wonder if it has occurred to Ms. Sidoti that Senator McCain's statements were about Georgians and Russians, rather than about "turning the campaign conversation." McCain, like many Americans, is genuinely and justifiably concerned with the situation there. He has known the Georgian President, who is only 40 or so, for a long time, and likely considers him to be a friend.

                            John McCain had the conviction to use the parable "we are all Georgians" and to provide moral support to a people facing overwhelming odds, while some were hiding from difficult questions about European history from reporters, and others were doing who knows what.

                            It is shameful that so many in his own country, our own country, held John McCain to scorn for speaking in the way a man of McCain's experience and stature SHOULD. McCain wasn't calling for war; he was expressing moral support. McCain dropped in the polls after stating his support for the Georgians, and he likely knew he would. If you watch the footage of him taking the time away from his campaign to EXPLAIN what was going on in Georgia to his audience, you will notice their reticence---they cheered wildly over getting cheap gasoline and DRILL DRILL DRILL!!!!

                            Sen. McCain's recent rise in the polls is not because of the Russo-Georgian conflict; it is because of the Saddleback Forum. And a rise there should be.

                            {"commentId":2524664,"threadId":"335890","contentId":"1767412","authorDomain":"singularvox"}
                              Reply#20 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:50 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":2529113,"authorDomain":"kirt-silvers"}

                              I feel that Obama should throw mud right back in the face of McCain. While the press is blaming Clinton style campaigning on Obama drop in poles let not forget it was the Bush style of dirty tricks and camping, look who were on his staff then and who is on John McCain staff now.

                              {"commentId":2529113,"threadId":"335890","contentId":"1767412","authorDomain":"kirt-silvers"}
                                Reply#21 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":2532769,"authorDomain":"mgultch"}

                                Hey, this is getting settled the old fashioned cyberspace way. Google bop-o-rama and check out the Bop-O-Meter. this is a new real-time open poll the let's you get your bops in on-line. Your bops count real-time!!!

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                                  Reply#22 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:14 PM EDT
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