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Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:17 PM EDT
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Surrounded by an enormous, adoring crowd, Barack Obama promised a clean break from the "broken politics in Washington and the failed policies of George W. Bush" Thursday night as he embarked on the final lap of his audacious bid to become the nation's first black president.
"America, now is not the time for small plans," the 47-year-old Democratic Illinois senator told an estimated 84,000 people packed into Invesco Field, a huge football stadium at the base of the Rocky Mountains.
He vowed to cut taxes for nearly all working-class families, end the war in Iraq and break America's dependence on Mideast oil within a decade. By contrast, he said, "John McCain has voted with President Bush 90 percent of the time," a scathing indictment of his Republican rival — on health care, education, the economy and more.
Polls indicate a close race between Obama and McCain, the Arizona senator who stands between him and a place in history. On a night 45 years after Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his "I have a Dream Speech," Obama made no overt mention of his own race.
"I realize that I am not the likeliest candidate for this office. I don't fit the typical pedigree" of a presidential candidate was as close as he came to the long-smoldering issue that may well determine the outcome of the election.
Fireworks lit the night sky as Obama, his speech concluded, accepted the cheers of supporters. His wife, Michelle, and their daughters Malia and Sasha joined him as the country music anthem "Only in America" filled the stadium. Vice presidential running mate Joseph Biden and his wife, Jill, joined them onstage.
Depicted by McCain as too young and inexperienced to sit in the Oval Office, Obama responded with an oblique reference to his rival's temper.
"If John McCain wants to have a debate about who has the temperament, and judgment, to serve as the next commander in chief, that's a debate I'm ready to have," he said.
Campaigning as an advocate of a new kind of politics, he suggested at least some common ground was possible on abortion, gun control, immigration and gay marriage.
Obama delivered his 44-minute nomination acceptance speech in an unrivaled convention setting, before a crowd of unrivaled size — the filled stadium, the camera flashes in the night, the made-for-television backdrop that suggested the White House, and the thousands of convention delegates seated around the podium in an enormous semicircle.
Obama and his fellow senator, Biden of Delaware, leave their convention city on Friday for Pennsylvania, first stop on an eight-week sprint to Election Day.
McCain countered the stadium extravaganza with a bold move of his own, hoping to steal some of the political spotlight by spreading word that he had settled on a vice presidential running mate. Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman were in the running.
Rep. John Lewis of Georgia spoke from the convention stage of the anniversary of King's memorable speech.
"Tonight we are gathered here in this magnificent stadium in Denver because we still have a dream," said the Georgia lawmaker, who marched with King, supported Obama's primary rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton, then switched under pressure from younger black leaders in his home state and elsewhere.
Obama's aides were interested in a different historical parallel from King — Obama was the first to deliver an outdoor convention acceptance speech since John F. Kennedy did so at the Los Angeles Coliseum in 1960.
In his speech, Obama pledged to jettison Bush's economic policy — and replace it with his own designed to help hard-pressed families.
"I will cut taxes for 95 percent of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle class," he said.
The speech didn't mention it, but Obama has called for raising taxes on upper-income Americans to help pay for expanded health care and other domestic programs.
He did not say precisely what he meant by breaking the country's dependence on Mideast oil, only that Washington has been talking about doing it for 30 years "and John McCain has been there for 26 of them."
Criticized by the GOP for his thin foreign policy portfolio, Obama said he welcomed a national security debate with McCain.
"We are the party of Roosevelt. We are the party of Kennedy. So don't tell me that Democrats won't defend this country," Obama said. "I will never hesitate to defend this nation."
He said McCain had no standing on foreign policy, not after backing the Iraq war from the start and rejecting timetables for withdrawal now accepted by Bush. "John McCain stands alone in his stubborn refusal to end a misguided war," he said.
Obama's pledge to end the war in Iraq responsibly was straight from his daily campaign speeches.
"I will rebuild our military to meet future conflicts. But I will also renew the tough, direct diplomacy that can prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons," he added.
As he does so often while campaigning, Obama also paid tribute to McCain's heroism — the 72-year-old Arizona senator was a prisoner of war in Vietnam — then assailed him.
"Sen. McCain likes to talk about judgment, but really, what does it say about your judgment when you think George Bush was right more than 90 percent of the time?
Former Vice President Al Gore picked up on the same theme. "If you like the Bush-Cheney approach, John McCain's your man. If you want change, then vote for Barack Obama and Joe Biden," he declared.
The much-discussed stage built for the program was evocative of the West Wing at the White House, with 24 American flags serving as a backdrop. A blue carpeted runway jutted out toward the infield, and convention delegates ringed the podium. Thousands more sat in stands around the rim of the field.
The wrap-up to the party convention blended old-fashioned speechmaking, Hollywood-quality stagecraft and innovative, Internet age politics.
The list of entertainers ran to Sheryl Crow, Stevie Wonder and will.i.am, whose Web video built around Obama's "Yes, we can" rallying cry quickly went viral during last winter's primaries.
In a novel bid to extend the convention's reach, Obama's campaign decided to turn tens of thousands of partisans in the stands into instant political organizers.
They were encouraged to use their cell phones to send text messages to friends as well as to call thousands of unregistered voters from lists developed by the campaign.
In all, Obama's high command said it had identified 55 million unregistered voters across the country, about 8.1 million of them black, about 8 million Hispanic and 7.5 million between the ages of 18 and 24.
Those are key target groups for Obama as he bids to break into the all-white line of U.S. presidents and at the same time restore Democrats to the White House for the first time in eight years.
The Democratic man of the hour paid a brief visit to members of his home-state Illinois delegation before the curtain went up on his show. "I came by (because) I had this speech tonight. I wanted to practice it out on you guys. See if it worked on a friendly audience," he joked.
There was no joking about the stakes in the speech, a once-in-a-campaign opportunity to speak to millions of voters who have yet to make up their minds between McCain and him. The polls show a close race nationally, with more than enough battleground states tight enough to tip the election either way.
Obama's hopes of victory rely on holding onto the large Democratic base states such as California, New York, Michigan and his own Illinois, while eating into territory that voted for George W. Bush. Ohio tops that list, and Democrats have also targeted Montana, North Dakota, Virginia and New Mexico, among others, as they try to expand their Electoral College map.
McCain was in Ohio as Obama spoke, and after a series of sharply negative convention week television commercials, his campaign aired a one-night advertisement that complimented Obama and noted the speech occurred on the anniversary of King's famous address.
"Senator Obama, this is truly a good day for America. Too often the achievements of our opponents go unnoticed. So I wanted to stop and say, 'Congratulations,'" McCain says in the ad.
"How perfect that your nomination would come on this historic day. Tomorrow, we'll be back at it. But tonight Senator, job well done."
(This version CORRECTS Pawlenty canceled one day of appearances but not two)
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{"commentId":2627740,"authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
"I will do this", "I will do that," "I will do it all" - sounds like the same old political promises. What about the supposed change - to change politics and bring unity - why wasn't it "we will?"
Blah, Blah Blah....
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- 3 votes
#2 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:49 PM EDT{"commentId":2628072,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
You Republicans criticize him for not saying what he will do and now you criticize him for telling you.
{"commentId":2628072,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 12 votes
{"commentId":2628227,"authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
Behind...
He didn't actually say how he was going to do any of it - just that he "will."
For example... he will end our dependency on foreign oil in 10 years - how? By opening up drilling in ANWR? Windmills aren't going to do it. You can't promise technology that doesn't exist on the basis that you simply believe it will.
{"commentId":2628227,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2628303,"authorDomain":"osaide"}
"I will do this", "I will do that," "I will do it all" - sounds like the same old political promises. What about the supposed change - to change politics and bring unity - why wasn't it "we will?"
Blah, Blah Blah....
You did not watch any speech, stop lying, cos if you did i am sure your clearly heard numerous times when he said he couldn't do it without the people. Arrgh whiners...
{"commentId":2628303,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"osaide"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":2628378,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
northerngirl,
no one can give you all the details. It is stupid to criticize him for not listing out the entire plan from ideas to execution. McCain has not said how he will do what he has promised....oh... now I get it... republicans don't have to make a plan because they will simply let the country rot through inaction.
{"commentId":2628378,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":2629154,"authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
Of course there are no details, because there aren't any. I guess I am just too old, I have seen this SOS before.
{"commentId":2629154,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2629364,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Read it yourself!!!!
you want him to deliver a speech about all of that? you are crazy if you think anyone can deliver that information plus the rest of what he said in an hour.
he said how he will pay for it. if you want to audit the books, he gives them to you.
{"commentId":2629364,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2630968,"authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}
Well, there will be negative and positive responses to this speech at Newsvine. I managed to garner a few photos, including a couple of the event itself, and post up a positive response.
{"commentId":2630968,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2638353,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
If you people really believe Obama, then you deserve him. Vote for him. But be careful what you wish for. There is always a catch. You cant do everything he said. And you cant do half of what he said with out move money. More money means more taxes, or more debt. Its just the way it is. You dont get something (good) for nothing. You do get a lot of promises, they are free. Talk is cheap and Obama's a talker. Has Obama demonstrated any of this handout without tax policy? I dont think so. God help us.
BTW
Attacking others because of their opinions makes you look weak. Calling them names makes you look childish. Intimidation makes you look like a bully. Try to raise above the crap and discuss like mature adults. You can do it, cant you?
{"commentId":2638353,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2627742,"authorDomain":"bfbell"}
Obama is making an ignoramus of himself when he is standing there promising more than he will ever be able to do or fulfill these promises. talking about finding Obama bin ladin, following him to his cave, Clinton could have in his time in office, but we know what he was busy doing at that time.
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- 3 votes
#3 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:49 PM EDT{"commentId":2628544,"authorDomain":"osaide"}
So please today here may i call everyone to witness this, If Obama does deliver will you eat a Sandal or shoe that we will all donate for this purpose? I will, (I prefer sandals though, has that tangy taste) ... Brian Ford will take the pics, while killfile will write the article on how we ate shoes.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2630314,"authorDomain":"thecivicvoice"}
Clinton could have in his time in office, but we know what he was busy doing at that time.
And we all know where Bush and McCain are: Iraq. OSama bin Laden is not in Iraq, he's between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
{"commentId":2630314,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"thecivicvoice"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2632052,"authorDomain":"jdl-28"}
You are a 100% right but so many people is believing everything he say, that why our country is so mess up. The only way to fix our government is have the people take control back and replacing everyone in the government.
There is no change same speech just difference wording each time someone run for President.
Beside he will not make a lot of changes unless the senate and congress agree which will not happen.
{"commentId":2632052,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"jdl-28"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2627839,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
but we know what he was busy doing at that time.
Paying off the national debt, rather than adding to it?
{"commentId":2627839,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"brianford"}
- 11 votes
#4 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:03 PM EDT{"commentId":2628393,"authorDomain":"bfbell"}
Wrong. And you know it. We all remember.
Obama promised more tonight than he can ever do, and he gave himself 10 years to do it. Duh? Will he be there in the next 10 years. I think he found out he did not give a JFK speech. No surprises in this speech it is the old promises I've heard before. So where is the CHANGE?
{"commentId":2628393,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"bfbell"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2628426,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
How am I wrong?
{"commentId":2628426,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"brianford"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2628564,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
BB,
presidencies are about moving the country in a direction. He outlined a lot of things, many are long term, but the point of his presidency will not necessarily be to see it through to teh end, but to get all of those ideas off the ground so that they can put the country in the right direction.
Kennedy promised that we would put a man on the moon...guess what... he was not around when it happened, but he put the country on the path to make it happen.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2629358,"authorDomain":"bfbell"}
Brian I think that you remember the distractions for Clinton 1996-1997.
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{"commentId":2630093,"authorDomain":"mrsprosty"}
Yeah. Eisenhower set up the C.I.A. in Cuba-- and Kennedy went through with the Bay of Pigs.
H.W.Bush set up the hatred between the U.S. and Iraq, Clinton continued the bombing. Then, Bush.
Eisenhower, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon all carried on with the Vietnam War.
Presidents are great at carrying on things. I'm sure Obama will do the same thing that Nixon did with Vietnam. Give the citizens we leave behind a bunch of guns and say: "good luck".
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630151,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
They already have a bunch of Guns. And they are already fighting with each other.
It was stupid to get into viet nam and it was stupid to get into Iraq.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2630243,"authorDomain":"redacted-"}
BMS, Have you openly criticized Biden for voting for the Iraq war? And for war funding? Or have you only criticized Republicans for it?
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630390,"authorDomain":"thecivicvoice"}
Have you openly criticized Biden for voting for the Iraq war?
Biden is not at the top of the ticket. And what credibility do you have anyway. You lost the last shred of it when you posted that youtube video with an obviously fallacious headline. And you didn't even have the guts to defend it. From what I gather, you deleted the whole seed.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2630418,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Since when is this a Democrats war? Democrats voted for it, but the lies they were told were all republican lies. the pressure was all from the republicans.
Iraq is a Republican war and thus they get the criticism.
As for the funding, we are there and we have to supply the troops so I do not consider voting to provide them with the money they need as a problem.
{"commentId":2630418,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630421,"authorDomain":"redacted-"}
rom what I gather, you deleted the whole seed.
CA, I would never delete the truth. Newsvine may have temporarily removed it, but I would venture to say my plea for the truth restored it. Videos don't lie.
{"commentId":2630421,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"redacted-"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630467,"authorDomain":"thecivicvoice"}
I would never delete the truth.
So you did delete it?
{"commentId":2630467,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"thecivicvoice"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630543,"authorDomain":"redacted-"}
Can you read? No, I did not.
{"commentId":2630543,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"redacted-"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630557,"authorDomain":"thecivicvoice"}
Bill Scoggin, I see the seed now. Please, by all means, keep it up. Just reinforces how much of liar you are. Are the Republicans that desperate?
{"commentId":2630557,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"thecivicvoice"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630578,"authorDomain":"redacted-"}
Don't hijack this thread CA. Stay on topic.
{"commentId":2630578,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"redacted-"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630597,"authorDomain":"thecivicvoice"}
Can you read? No, I did not.
You didn't say that at first, genius. You edited after I read it. Fact is, you are one of the most dishonest person's here on the vine. You're a waste of space and I won't waste my time reading your nonsense. Ignored.
{"commentId":2630597,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"thecivicvoice"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2634427,"authorDomain":"redacted-"}
Ditto. Why do you think I don't read your articles? Yet you have commented on mine. Tsk Tsk
{"commentId":2634427,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"redacted-"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2659295,"authorDomain":"tomcat-68"}
Boys, boys, if you are going to bicker - go outside. After raising 3 boys, I can tell you it is bad to argue in the house!!. Take your fight elsewhere - nothing accomplished here.
{"commentId":2659295,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"tomcat-68"}
{"commentId":2627867,"authorDomain":"greenguy"}
Awesome speech. I had a few policy qualms but it was very well delivered. Kerry's speech was possibly better.
{"commentId":2627867,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"greenguy"}
- 5 votes
#5 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:06 PM EDT{"commentId":2627894,"authorDomain":"billandjanburker"}
Obama is not my candidate, but his speech was outstanding!! I doubt if every promise can be kept, but I was impressed!
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#6 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:08 PM EDT{"commentId":2627937,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
What a Show!
There are so many lies and falsehoods in there, it is like giving McCain a boat load of ammo.
TAXES TAXES TAXES!!!!
Oh, and I don't have to make good choices because my brother and sister and government will take care of me. What the>>>>>>!
And everything is the fault of the Repubs? Get real. And Biden has been there longer that McCain. This is going to hurt.
Oh ... $150 billion over 10 years? What a joke. Putting out a fire by spitting on it. And ending the dependance on Middle Eastern oil in ten years? Sounds like we'll be sucking some one else's oil.
I could go on and on .... Later
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- 1 vote
#7 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:10 PM EDT{"commentId":2628093,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Lies? are you serious?
drilling for oil off our coast line is spitting on it.
Are Republicans really that far off the range that they can't tell the difference between a solution (Obama's energy plan) and lip service (McCain)
{"commentId":2628093,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":2628331,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
The $150 billion is not for drilling. Did you listen?
It will take ten years before the off shore oil will make a difference. We should be able to get off oil all together in ten years. Neither party has the right energy plan. T Boone has the best one yet.
{"commentId":2628331,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2628344,"authorDomain":"osaide"}
Na they are just angry clinging to their guns and Bible... (true story)
{"commentId":2628344,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"osaide"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2628443,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Yes, Pickens has the right plan and I believe Obama told you that he will support such activities, or did you mis the part where he said "fully exploit our natural gas resources"? Do you expect him to be more direct about it?
{"commentId":2628443,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2628548,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
NG is not the answer. Coal is not the answer. Both are still part of the oil cartell. Open your mind and look at what Gore said. He's close.
{"commentId":2628548,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2628615,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
You just said that pickens has it right... do you even know what pickens plan is? I don't think you do because you just said he was wrong.
{"commentId":2628615,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2628817,"authorDomain":"redacted-"}
Behind My Screen, Don't be fooled by Obama's energy plan. He stole it from Mike Huckabee here;
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2628984,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Uhh... who is fooled? so a good idea can't be championed by those who didn't come up with it?
{"commentId":2628984,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2629005,"authorDomain":"redacted-"}
BMS, Republicans beat him to it. Obama has no original ideas of his own. The man is a fake.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2629038,"authorDomain":"blaineaggie"}
yeah T Boone rocks!!! he is all about using WIND!!!!
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{"commentId":2629158,"authorDomain":"SuperUnspecial"}
BMS, Republicans beat him to it. Obama has no original ideas of his own. The man is a fake.
Exactly what sort of criteria do you think we should use to judge a politician here? Might it be anything but endorsing, and working for good, effective ideas? Have fun with that.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2629164,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Republicans? you mean Huckaby... Huckaby was an outsider and is a populist. His ideas on most things are not part of the Republican platform.
To say Obama is a fake is baseless since the Democratic plank on energy for more than a decade has been to expand the use of renewable resources of energy. the Huckster was playing Democrat with his energy plan.
{"commentId":2629164,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2629570,"authorDomain":"redacted-"}
HA HA now that is real funny. Huckabee, a Republican, comes up with a sensible energy plan months ahead of Obama (which includes drilling) and BMS spins Huckabee's plan into a democratic idea.
Now prove it! This should be hilarious.
{"commentId":2629570,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"redacted-"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2629857,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
We need to clean up aging power plants. Americans need and rely on diverse transportation sources, and our public infrastructure priorities should reflect that diversity.
We should invest in roads, bridges, light rail systems, cleaner buses, the aviation system, our national passenger railroad, Amtrak, and high-speed trains that would give Americans choices – freeing them from traffic, smog-choked cities, and being held hostage to foreign oil.Today, technology has advanced to the point that we can drive the kind of cars
we like and live in the kind of houses we like – while being kind to the earth. We should use
some of our budget surplus to help Americans take advantage of these new opportunities. With the right investments, these new environmentally-friendly technologies can create new jobs for American workers.America is blessed with abundant low-cost sources of coal, petroleum, and natural gas, but we must use them wisely and ensure that changes in the energy sector promote a workforce whose skills are expanded, utilized, and rewarded. Democrats believe that with the right incentives to encourage the development and deployment of clean energy technologies, we can make all our energy sources cleaner, safer, and healthier for our children.
From the 2000 Democratic National Platform.
Funny how Huckster took those good ideas, and the further refinements from the 2004 Democratic platform and passed them off as his own. What a fake.
{"commentId":2629857,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2630108,"authorDomain":"redacted-"}
Don't be ridiculous. Huckabee outlined a 10 year plan before Obama even knew what offshore drilling was all about. And nuclear energy, which you guy didn't want anything to do with until..... Now!
Slam...... Dunk!
{"commentId":2630108,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"redacted-"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630192,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Who is ridiculous? The Democratic Platform talked about all the ideas in the Huckabee plan long before Huckabee thought of running for president. I provide facts and you ignore them and claim slam dunk?
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{"commentId":2630194,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
SCREEN
Yo dude, I said Pickens was the best plan. I dont agree with all of it, do you? Do you know what his plan is? Do you know Obama's plan? Or just the talking points he used tonight? Dont be fooled! Obama and McCain are both wrong regarding energy. Think out of the box a bit here. Thats the change we need. Obama is just a change of color. The message is a rerun.
{"commentId":2630194,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630301,"authorDomain":"redacted-"}
BMS show me. Show where ANY democrat was pushing for Nuclear Power and offshore drilling before Mike Huckabee.
I'll put up here;
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Mike_Huckabee_Energy_+_Oil.htm
Question is, can you?
{"commentId":2630301,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"redacted-"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2630426,"authorDomain":"thecivicvoice"}
Oh ... $150 billion over 10 years? What a joke. Putting out a fire by spitting on it.
That's a $15 billion investment each year. In comparison, McCain only proposes about $2 billion a year.
{"commentId":2630426,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"thecivicvoice"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630471,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Oh... so all of a sudden nuclear power and off shore drilling is what Huckabee's plan has amounted to.
Drilling is not part of the solution and Nuclear is not a central element to Obama's energy plan. how is it that one little thing (nuclear) means Obama's energy plan is a rip off?
{"commentId":2630471,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630567,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
VOR,
please elaborate then as to why Obama's plan is wrong.
Pickens wants to build wind farms to replace the use of natural gas used in peak power production so NG can be used for automotive needs, nearly supplanting the use of gasoline.
From what Obama outlined, it is clear that this is something he agrees with.
Investing in the development and deployment of a diverse set of renewable sources of energy and fixing the old sources to get them clean AND get people to reduce the amount of energy they waste all seem pretty sound to me.
What is outside the box to you?
{"commentId":2630567,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2634562,"authorDomain":"redacted-"}
BMS, Go back and listen to Obama's speech again. He said offshore drilling is a stop gap measure. And he also said nuclear power is part of his plan.
Don't be naive to think the solution rest on one idea alone. It's going to take a multi-level approach. I swear Obama "Cut and Pasted" Huckabee's plan. That should be a crime.
{"commentId":2634562,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"redacted-"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2636496,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
BMS
I may be too far away from you to change your mind. But I have experience and credentials to support what I say. Read this and try to let it sink in before taking another sip of Obama-aide.
The plan is wrong because it is not progressive enough. It still relies on coal and oil. These are unacceptable to a Green nation. (that is with out a major breakthrough new technology to make coal CLEAN.) Drilling is not the answer at all. Ten year lead time and no advance towards Green.
Many call what we need "renewable". Thats the wrong nomenclature. We need "inexshastable" resourses such as solar, wind, hydro, tide, geothermal, and so on, suppemented by new nuclear power. We need to switch from burning fuels to converting without oxidation. Thats the Clear Alternative. Niether party is up to speed. Out of the box is to get away from burning fuel to make power.
And $150 billion is chicken feed as far as making any progress at all. The oil tax credits could put far more into the Rand D needed. Obama is lip service. He says what he needs to in order to get elected. McCain is no different there.
However, your definitions for Obama vs Socialism are a bit off. You can call it anything you want, but Obama wants more handouts, help, to the poor. I am not poor, so He will not help me. As it stands, there is no reason a person cant get a good education now. Little change is needed. And there is a lot of help for small business start ups, esp minorities.
I do support cutting the fat and foolish spending. But his foreign policy of talking or enemies to death will not work. Maybe you were not around to see the cold war. Talk is the weapon that best serves the weak. He will not step up when needed with real power. His power is words. Words my get him elected, but the will not win a war. He and his supporter are too naive to know that. I am not.
I think his rhetoric is beautiful. Well written and delivered. It is however, simply impossible to do what he says as he says. Most people ove 45 know this, and that is why they will likely vote McCain. Obama supports letting a child that survives a botched abortion die without med help. How messed up is that? Thats a deal killer, no pun intended, for me. It shows a clear lack of heart, lack of goodness, and a clear lack of responsibility. Just unacceptable to me. Who needs help more?
His church and there spoken and published values are unacceptable. His associations with racists, terrorists, and radicals is unacceptable to me. His wifes published view are unacceptable to me. Too much living in the past. There are many reasons to vote for some one other that Obama. Few candidates have the skeletons Obama has.
McCain is not my first choice either. But givin the two, the lessor evil is McCain. At least he would help that baby live and wont talk and talk while our enemies gain in strength.
{"commentId":2636496,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2636706,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Bill,
He was criticizing Mccain regarding off shore drilling and I believe I accept that he "ripped off" the nuclear part from huckster...
wow... out of his entire energy plan, he "took" one idea from someone who was not even the originator of the "idea"
{"commentId":2636706,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
{"commentId":2636890,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
VOR,
I am with you on energy, and Obama is better on Energy than McCain.
To suggest that this country is just fine in every other way however is foolish.
I am not poor either, but I am also not selfish and I understand that a sick society makes life harder for me.
{"commentId":2636890,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
{"commentId":2639552,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
BMS
I missed the part where I said
this country is just fine in every other way
I dont think I said that. Mostly coz its not how I feel. And we should wait till McCain's plan during the convention before we compare. You may be surprized.
There are real problems in our country. Thank God Bush will be gone soon. (Elected by the Independents you know.) But the problems are very complex and Obama is not my answer, niether is McCain. The Congress is a joke, Bush is a joke. Boarder security is a joke and on going for 20 years. Arguing over Iraq is a joke. Fact is we are there and we need to complete the mission and move on, or if asked to stay as a NATO type presence, be willing to stay. Nothing is getting done in Congress. They're the biggest joke. Along comes Obama and we hear the same talking points, plus a couple new ones, this election cycle. History does repeat itself.
McCain is bashed for saying we will be in Iraq for a hundred years. We've been in Europe for 60+, keeping peace. You know, NATO. Why is it so wrong to suggest we have a NATO type presence in the Middle East? It sounds like a good idea to me.
Our society is sick because of many things. Sometimes because people have too little money, sometimes because people have too much money. Mostly because people are lazy. Its the extremes that cause the most problems. Those of us in the middle are squeezed by both. Life isnt that hard in the middle. If you're poor you make poor choices, do things that are unacceptable such as deal drugs, steal, kill, etc. If you have too much money, many become uncaring and think they are above us. Both are unattractive to me.
We in the middle must be able to sort through the crap and make the right desisions for the poor below and the rich above. We out number both of them. We need stronger law enforcement and higher taxes for the rich. Not a lot higher, but higher. People making over say, 2 mil a year can stand to pay more. And people making 20 mil+ can pay even more. Corporations should get a choice to pay more taxes or invest in jobs/technology, R&D and such. Tax credits can help the move to Green.
Inport taxes should be higher. Penalties for shipping jobs over sea.
Anyway, the country is messed up. Obama's ideas sound great. They just arent practical. I wish it was not true. But it is.
I could go on and on if you need more.
{"commentId":2639552,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2649754,"authorDomain":"redacted-"}
BMS,
Huckabee's specific energy plan;
- More domestic oil exploration
- Energy independence within 10 years
- We will conserve
- We will pursue all types of alternative energy: nuclear, wind, solar, ethanol, hydrogen, clean coal, biomass, and biodiesel.
Source: http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Mike_Huckabee_Energy_+_Oil.htm
Compare that to Obama's energy plan, which post dates Huckabee's. He mentions everything Huckabee already covered. The only difference is he put a price tag on it, which by all accounts is too small.
{"commentId":2649754,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"redacted-"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2677986,"authorDomain":"replytoj001"}
You can call it anything you want, but Obama wants more handouts, help, to the poor. I am not poor, so He will not help me
I must agree, well said. I will receive no assistance from Obama. Under Obama, I will pay.....more.......and perhaps more again.
If you pay taxes, work hard, and make more than$50k, you will have to pay even more to help those who are "not as fortunate"........"the least of my brothers???
I always believe it should be asked or at the very least looked at, a persons life style/cycle choices. What put(s) a person in a lower economic band? Did they do something [alcohol, out-of-wedlock birth(s)drugs, violence, drop out, convictions, etc] that compromised their ability to "enjoy the wonderful opportunities this great country provides"?
Maybe you were not around to see the cold war. Talk is the weapon that best serves the weak. He will not step up when needed with real power. His power is words. Words my get him elected, but the will not win a war. He and his supporter are too naive to know that. I am not.
I was stationed in Germany during the height of the Cold War (early to mid-eighties). I understand the power of negotiations, but I better understand that negotiating from a position of strength is better than negotiating from a point of weakness. (Please look at The Republic of Georgia, Bosnia, Europe with Hilter prior to WWII, as examples)
McCain is not my first choice either. But givin the two, the lessor evil is McCain. At least he would help that baby live and wont talk and talk while our enemies gain in strength.
Again, I have to agree....I am not for McCain......but I know I cannot vote for Obama.
It is sad that we must elect a president based on who we do not support, but rather, on who we do not support.
replytoj001
{"commentId":2677986,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"replytoj001"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2627966,"authorDomain":"zepherys"}
OK. So now every liberal with a brain should get it. THIS MAN IS NOT LIBERAL. He is as close to a socialist as can be without coming out and saying it directly to your face. And as far as the speech goes, Saul Alinsky should be smiling, for this is his best pupil.
{"commentId":2627966,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"zepherys"}
- 2 votes
#8 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:12 PM EDT{"commentId":2628191,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
socialists that believe in working to get what you want and eliminating capital gains on small business?
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
{"commentId":2628191,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":2628407,"authorDomain":"osaide"}
I dont get it, he is not liberal but is offering a Liberal solution where possible, a conservative solution where possible. It's like saying he is a good leader but he is black... makes no darn sense!
{"commentId":2628407,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"osaide"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2628479,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
I think that is why Republican sycophants are having so much trouble with his speech and are just making fun of his character... their programming tells them that such a thing can not exist.
{"commentId":2628479,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2628711,"authorDomain":"zepherys"}
OK I'll give it another try. He is a progressive communitarianist with Alinskian training? Socialism champions the worker and shares the wealth, in an elementary definition. He said that he would cut the taxes of 95% of the working class. He said that he would eliminate the Capital Tax on new businesses. He promised to reform the tax code by closing corporate loopholes. He talked about individual responsibility coupled with shared responsibility. He is talking about levelling the playing field, my friend, and that has socialist undertones. But, perhaps that is what this country needs. Talk about a change.
{"commentId":2628711,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"zepherys"}
{"commentId":2628939,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
ROTFLMAO,
Seriously? wait wait... I have to read that again.....
because he supports small business, and wants 95% of the working people in the country to get a tax cut and wants everyone to get a fair shake, and believes in personal responsibility, that makes him a socialist?
Congratulations!!!! you have just redefined socialism!!! Silly me... I thought socialism was government hand outs to people who did not work. but all this time it actually meant people that worked hard to innovate and employ 80% of the American work force.
{"commentId":2628939,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2630592,"authorDomain":"zepherys"}
I did not define socialism. I said that his plan has socialist undertones. And your thought of what socialism is is simply wrong. When you find out what the basic fabric looks like then I guess we could debate, but as long as you think that the socialist government is a government that gives handouts to people who do not work, then you have only zeroed in on a very small part of what it actually is. Socialized aspects of governments surround you. They are our allies backbones. Certainly Barack Obama has liberal socialist policies. And perhaps that is what we need. You may have the opportunity to find out
{"commentId":2630592,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"zepherys"}
{"commentId":2630748,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Sorry, I was characterizing Republican views on the matter.
Here are the facts. He has a Populist message, not a socialist one. he is arguing that to provide a level playing field and opportunities for everyone is the best way to keep America great. that is not socialism that is populism.
{"commentId":2630748,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630951,"authorDomain":"zepherys"}
Ahhhhh yes that is a fine hair that you split, but I'll let you split it. Remember though, to be called a populist is pejorative by nature and in politics. It was pretty much Hucky's downfall now wasn't it? Hopefully FOX does not get ahold of this thread and use it for a headline. I can see it now "Barack Obamas populist platform threatens your__________. And now here's the weather."
{"commentId":2630951,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"zepherys"}
{"commentId":2632644,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Anyone can look at what he said and call him populist.
I don't see a problem with populism. It is a far better than the corpratist trash we have today.
{"commentId":2632644,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
{"commentId":2628022,"authorDomain":"rdonaldsnyder"}
Fantastic! Perfect! One of the great speeches of all time! He hit all the points and hit them hard. He's going to make a great president. Probably one of the greatest!
{"commentId":2628022,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"rdonaldsnyder"}
- 3 votes
#9 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:14 PM EDT{"commentId":2628101,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
He will make a great president. Just not America's President. Maybe his Church needs a president. Or a small socialist country in Africa.
{"commentId":2628101,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2628109,"authorDomain":"otb"}
He absolutely drilled the points he nailed to drill.
I cannot wait for him to completely dissect McCain in front of a live audience.
{"commentId":2628109,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"otb"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2628244,"authorDomain":"rdonaldsnyder"}
The only thing I'm worried about in watching the debates is that Barack must hold back a little, so he doesn't get McCain the sympathy vote for making a senile old man look bad.
{"commentId":2628244,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"rdonaldsnyder"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2628438,"authorDomain":"osaide"}
The only thing I'm worried about in watching the debates is that Barack must hold back a little, so he doesn't get McCain the sympathy vote for making a senile old man look bad.
Cosign
{"commentId":2628438,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"osaide"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2628041,"authorDomain":"otb"}
So... you'd all rather not take a chance then?
You'd rather elect a senile old man?
A chauvinist?
{"commentId":2628041,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"otb"}
- 4 votes
#10 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:15 PM EDT{"commentId":2628159,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
Clinton was a chauvinist and I voted for him. So, why not McCain? And senile is better that naive. This sounded familiar. Oh yah, the promise anything and everything campaign.
{"commentId":2628159,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2628234,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Obama is not naive, you are just cynical beyond all measure.
{"commentId":2628234,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2628362,"authorDomain":"otb"}
How does that pessimism taste? Is it bitter?
Do you seriously believe senility is better than the desire to try for something better?
I don't see any reason why his main points can't be achieved: we couldn't withraw from a country they don't even want us in anymore, reinforce Afghanistan with said troops and actually go after the people who attacked us, invest in a variety of energy resources at home instead of sending that money abroad, close massive corporate loopholes that everyone knows exist... what's so far fetched about all these things that you refuse to believe it could possibly happen?
{"commentId":2628362,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"otb"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2628478,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
You can't measure how cynical I am? Too bad. Great speech. Long on words, short on content. Hit all the points did he? Wait for the rebuttles.
{"commentId":2628478,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2628664,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
short on content? now you are just saying stuff because it sounds good.
{"commentId":2628664,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2628869,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
It does sound good, doesnt it. And I feel its true. He is a GREAT speaker. If only it all made sense. Mostly I heard more TAXES.. Sorry, but thats the truth. If he wins, you'll see.
{"commentId":2628869,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2629057,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
more taxes? really? I heard 95% of American workers getting a tax cut. I heard closing tax loopholes for companies that incorporate outside the US ending tax breaks for companies that off shore jobs. I heard making the government operate more efficiently and ending programs that waste money.
{"commentId":2629057,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":2630247,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
If you're old enough you will recognize these are DEMs talking points that rarely come true. Clinton did it best but he closed Social loop holes and Obama wants to bring them back. You know, handouts.
Check out what a third party says Obama's tax plan means to the People. Research dude, research. McCains plan is better but not by much. and he hasnt promised the Moon and the Stars.
{"commentId":2630247,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630500,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Were did you hear hand outs? You do a good job of writing fictitious worlds. you should get into writing fairy tales.
{"commentId":2630500,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2631293,"authorDomain":"JStranahan"}
weeeeee.... I have two more on my ignore list tonight.
Keep up the good work BMS, I can't take these two morons anymore.
{"commentId":2631293,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"JStranahan"}
{"commentId":2628121,"authorDomain":"alexanderwcurtis"}
(The Obama Movie)
Wow!
That was some really good Hollywood Liberal Propaganda. Where are the credits I am dying to know who directed and produced the Obama Movie. If you believe this movie then you must believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. The fireworks were my favorite!
{"commentId":2628121,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"alexanderwcurtis"}
- 1 vote
#11 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:18 PM EDT{"commentId":2628264,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
If you believe in McCain then you must believe in fairies.
{"commentId":2628264,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":2628714,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
Then you admit you believe in fairies? Thats not a surprise. You also believe in Fairy Tales. Thank you for the insight. Maybe thats way Obama sounds good to you. Says a lot. LOL
{"commentId":2628714,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2628813,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
How do I believe in faries?
{"commentId":2628813,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2630282,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
I dont know. How do you believe in Fairies? I dont.
{"commentId":2630282,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630601,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
you just claimed that what I said some how leads you to think I believe in fairies. I support Obama so I see no connection to what I said about Mccain supporters.
Besides that, my original comment was to point out how thoughtless and empty the first comment was.
{"commentId":2630601,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2634086,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
You missed the mark. But did demostrate by example your rebuttle. Nicely done.
{"commentId":2634086,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
{"commentId":2628198,"authorDomain":"rdonaldsnyder"}
Barack Gives America what it's starving for, it's dreams back. It's idealism. Idealism is what this nation was founded upon and the dreams he speaks of are what has made this country live on and grow. Jefferson made us believe we could form our own nation. FDR made us believe we could rise out of the depression. JFK made us believe we could go to the moon. People (read republicans) are always telling us our dreams are impossible, until we show them that we can do it. Let the naysayers stay behind and whine about how are dreams are too big or too expensive or beyond our reach. America is what dreams are made.
{"commentId":2628198,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"rdonaldsnyder"}
- 3 votes
#12 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:20 PM EDT{"commentId":2628568,"authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
I had my dreams. I grew up poor. I did farm work as a child, worked at fast food, worked as waitress, whatever, I went to college and worked hard. I raised my two children and now find myself living from month to month to pay loans and bills because I struggled so that I now make a living under which I am no longer eligible for any governent aid. Now, between student loan payments, Federal taxes, state taxes, county taxes (yes, the county I live in collects income tax), property taxes, automoble taxes, gas taxes.... I'd be better off being one of the "unfortunates" that my taxes help.
What's the point of working "for the dream" just to see it all taken from you?
{"commentId":2628568,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
{"commentId":2628681,"authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
And by the way, I am a Democrat, not a Republican. Just a disillusioned one. This isn't the party I believed in.
{"commentId":2628681,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2628766,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Maybe you should ask the Republicans. They took it from you. They are the ones who believe that giving tax cuts to the rich will benefit the poor. They are the ones who raised the student loan percentages. They are the ones that made it impossible for you to declare bankruptcy to protect yourself. They are the ones who have been spending your money irresponsibly. They are the ones that have driven this countries working and middle class to the brink of destruction for the last 30 years.
{"commentId":2628766,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2628787,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
What about this party do you not believe in?
{"commentId":2628787,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2629108,"authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
I don't need to declare bankruptcy - I pay my bills - I don't take credit beyond my means. I am supposedly one of the "rich" that got a tax cut. All eliminated by the AMT. I have seen government spending - a lot of it driven by lawsuits, petitions or threats from NGO's - who supposedly represent the "public interest" - while all I've seen from them is contribution generating campaigns and self sustaining their organizations. I'm simply disgusted by it all.
{"commentId":2629108,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
{"commentId":2629236,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
If you live month to month then you are at a very high risk for needing to declare. If you paid the AMT then you are making more than 250K per year and should not be living month to month.
those suits do not constitute half of a percent of the money the Republicans have wasted and/or given to large corperations.
{"commentId":2629236,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2629404,"authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
Nope, nope, nope - you don't have to be anywhere near 250K to pay the AMT - more like $135K but because of all the the property taxes, state taxes, country taxes, mortgage deductions you take (because you have to pay them) - the US government figures you shouldn't be able to deduct that much - and nails you. You are a victim of where you live. Yes, I suppose - I can quit it all and go be a farmer in Mississippi or something, believe me, I've thought about it - it would be easier being "poor."
{"commentId":2629404,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
{"commentId":2629535,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
I make a little less than you and did not pay a dime to the AMT. I think you need a new tax guy.
and you aren't poor (unless you happen to live in Manhattan or Silicon Vally etc. you and I are part of the top 10%. Some times it does not feel that way (student loans, 3 young kids, etc for me) but, we are not poor.
{"commentId":2629535,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2629783,"authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
So BTS - you are okay with paying more for taxes, and everything else that will increase in price as a result of higher taxes? What will you have to give up?
I don't live in Manhattan, but a fairly high priced area, which unfortunately, unless I change careers is where I am. I am little to old for that, I'll become a poor farmer.
{"commentId":2629783,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
{"commentId":2629909,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Higher taxes will have to come because of the irresponsible nature of the Republican party. I am young enough that I will have to pay them either now or 20 years from now.
Oh, and I agree that the AMT is screwed up and needs to be fixed, but the Republicans are the ones who would not allow it to get fixed.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2795266,"authorDomain":"tomcat-68"}
Please watch the following video, then decide if you want to trust Mr. Obama is NOT a Muslim - please think of his background and his association with his pastor:
http://video.Google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410
To those who may wonder, I am NOT voting for either candidate. I do not trust either one of them. PLEASE take a little time and watch this before it is removed. It addresses the Koran and Muslim intentions.
I post this with all due respect to everyone here. Thank you
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{"commentId":2796685,"authorDomain":"aine"}
Such a narrow viewpoint presented in that film, and I have no doubt an equally frightening one could be made from Judeo-Christian scriptures, as well.
Fear and hatred can be pretty good motivators of mobs of unthinking people, particularly when based on a cultural or religious prejudice.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2628285,"authorDomain":"arking"}
He put it pretty clearly, the biggest risk is not taking one. I would rather try something new with Obama then try the same thing with McCain.
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- 4 votes
#13 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:23 PM EDT{"commentId":2628409,"authorDomain":"WhackArnolds"}
People, people, get it straight. Republicans, and those who blindly follow them into the abyss will jump on whatever they can. Clinton changed this country and left surpluses, so I totally believe that Barack will. All republicans will talk about is their constant strife for hate and fear-mongering. It's pathetic and shows the very worst in this country. I will stand with Obama and everyone else with sense and say that hate and empty attacks are for the feeble-minded and hollow. Obama and the democrats have a plan and McCain and the republicans have more money for the rich, fewer jobs for the many, and worse conditions and equipment for our troops. If you are a believer that veterans should have the care they deserve and the equipment they deserve, then you will believe in the democrats. If you believe in the power of corporations and the idea of patting the back of our soldiers while taking away their protection...then vote McCain. The republicans need to go!!!
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- 1 vote
#14 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:27 PM EDT{"commentId":2628831,"authorDomain":"blaineaggie"}
I am a Hillary supporter but after this convention I will get on the Obama train!!
I am curious to see how the Repubs respond at their convention. I will watch as much of it as I can stomach!
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- 2 votes
#15 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:43 PM EDT{"commentId":2628945,"authorDomain":"WhackArnolds"}
You will see hate and fear-mongering. You will also hear lies and what is wrong with this country. I hope you don't puke.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2629084,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
The ridiculous comments you see on this thread are a preview of the RNC.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":2629217,"authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
I think some of the ridiculous comments I have seen are a swoon from the DNC
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{"commentId":2629267,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Just because you lack the capacity to see beyond your nose on these matters does not make the ideas ridiculous. I don't see how McCain even provides a solution to your woes (if they really exist miss AMT payer)
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2629436,"authorDomain":"blaineaggie"}
We are still very split as a country. This election is going to come down to what the Hillary voters do!!! The Dems out voted the Repubs 2 to 1 in the primaries! I think the convention convinced alot of Hillary voters. This is revolutionary!!
The repubs should not have a prayer in this election.......it does suck that Obama is black though!!! that is his biggest weakness!!!! He needs to win over the white rural people!!
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{"commentId":2629632,"authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
Behind... I am not a McCain fan - I do not think he provides any particular solutions - in fact, as a scientist, I think his stance (as well as Obama's) on "climate change" is wrong. I think I'll just become a poor farmer, because that's where they'll probably put me, anyway
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{"commentId":2629957,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
Maybe it is because I did not live through the hope of the 60's that I have not become cynical about what can be possible so I am willing to give Obama a chance. I do know that being fed up does not solve anything.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2630333,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
Whack
You will see hate and fear-mongering. You will also hear lies and what is wrong with this country. I hope you don't puke.
Thats what we saw tonight. Nice summary!! Maybe you'll see and hear some real answers instead of "I'll fix it all. if you vote for me".
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630640,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
where was the hate and fear mongering? Criticizing ideas is not hate or fear mongering. attacking the character of a person and making fun of them is hate and fear mongering... something that the Republicans have shown a very good ability to do on this comment section.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2629198,"authorDomain":"SeattleBobb"}
Either way we are doomed. There is a reason that many successful leaders and business people stay out of politics. Are you kidding me? Are Obama and McCain the two most qualified people we can find to run this country??
Whether people want to admit it or not, running the gov't is like running a business. We all can see how well run businesses prosper and poor run businesses die out. Ever been to the DMV or seen our public education system lately? Their inefficiencies and poor management are not the fault of the democrats or the republicans, its the fault of bureaucracy and politics in general. Obama is a career academic and politician with no leadership experience. McCain is old school with only military and political experience and is clueless to the private sector that is the American Public.
And to all you Clinton lovers. A good family friend of mine was the legal advisor to a prominent governor and met Bill Clinton a couple times. My friend is a Stanford Law Grad and a very successful lawyer with very high intelligence. He said that after meeting Bill Clinton for about 15 minutes, you walk away feeling for your wallet, watch, rings, car keys, etc... because he is the slimiest bastard he has ever spoken too.
Our society is becoming a herd of sheep that can't think for themselves and don't want any responsibility or accountability. We are cradling the weak, which in return is hindering the strong. Perfect for the politicians because a herd of weak sheep are easy to control.
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- 1 vote
#16 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:57 PM EDT{"commentId":2629237,"authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
SeattleBob -
You are the only person that has made sense thus far.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2629295,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
SeattleBob,
sounds like you have a problem with your state government. you might want to try and fix that.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2629468,"authorDomain":"SeattleBobb"}
Your right in some ways. I love Seattle, but I do not like a lot of political views in this state.
Too many people are wanting hand outs. I wish I could stand on the side of road or on a freeway over pass holding some sign protesting god knows what, but I can't. I can't because I choose to spend my day at WORK, so I can pay for my mortgage and bills on my own instead of expecting the gov't to do it for me.
I support change and progress, but is has to be the correct change. Everything is about balance, lean too far to right or too far to the left and you will fall!!!
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2629487,"authorDomain":"blaineaggie"}
I agree about the sheep. Humans are animals and quite sheepish.
Alot of people like to follow.
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{"commentId":2629303,"authorDomain":"kseymour"}
How do you view all the comments?
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#17 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:02 AM EDT{"commentId":2629346,"authorDomain":"blaineaggie"}
Yeah this convention is gonna be hard to follow!!
All the Repubs can say is that he made too many promises he can't keep!
That's about all they can say!!
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#18 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:03 AM EDT{"commentId":2629348,"authorDomain":"prosperity2un2000"}
WHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SLAM DUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my favorite quote: "he says he will chase McCain to the gates of hell, but he won't go to the cave he lives in'"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SLAM!!!!!!!!!!! SLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS A BLACK MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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#19 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:03 AM EDT{"commentId":2629420,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
your quote is wrong.
He criticized McCain because "McCain said he will chase Bin Laden tot he gates of hell, however, he won't even chase him to the cave he lives in"
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2630411,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
Neesy
And just how far has Obama chased him? I thought so.
Only half Black if its Obama.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2630676,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
it is about McCain's desire to chance him. Obama has wanted to put more troops on the ground in Afghanistan since he came into office.
I guess you would have to actually care to know facts and truth though to know such things.
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{"commentId":2634131,"authorDomain":"informedvoter"}
You missed that part where Obama said He would get Bin Laden? Pay attention nuvosoc.
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{"commentId":2637082,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
I didn't miss that. And that is the point of what he said. McCain pays lip service to Bin Laden's capture, Obama has been attempting to do what he can in teh senate to catch him.
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{"commentId":2629538,"authorDomain":"carloz"}
His speech was right on target! I liked the way he took on McCain and the Republicans so directly. This is obviously a tough, intelligent guy who knows how to express himself. I am looking forward to seeing him wipe the floor with McCain at the debates -- and then, of course, with the November vote!
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- 1 vote
#20 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:12 AM EDT{"commentId":2629567,"authorDomain":"mnguyen4"}
After watching the last day of the Democratic Convention in Denver, I am disappointed by what I have seen. I have seen that the organizers send a lot of speakers talking and celebrating Martin Luther King's legacy. While I appreciate that Dr. King is a great American, I don't think that this election is about putting the first African-American or the first woman in the White House. This election is about ordinary people retaking back the government from powerful interest groups, ending the wars, and restoring the American Middle Class.
The GOP is a difficult enemy. It is more determined than Adolf Hitler, and it is more cunning than bin Laden. John McCain has often said that he would rather lose an election than a war. The truth is he sees an opportunity in winning another victory over Obama, like George W. Bush victory over Al Gore. Even through Gore knew the devious tactics of the GOP to win the White House in 2000, he waged a "gentlemen" campaign of defeat. Al Gore, in the end, would win graciously than fight Bush head to toe. For this gracious attitude, Gore won the Nobel Prize.
I need to remind voters of what former President Clinton has said yesterday. We cannot afford the next 4 years like the last 8 years. Yet the Democratic Party keeps on playing the nice guy who wants to unify every body. Speaking of the country's unity just before the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln could never have convinced men like Jefferson Davis to give up their slaves and the highly profitable cotton industry for some abstract idea like the Union. As a result, the Civil War lasted for 4 years; only after Lincoln approved Emancipation, and the war plans drafted by Sherman and Grant.
Senator John McCain is not well liked by the people I have known. He is even liked less by members of the GOP. Yet many prominent Democratic politicians start by saying "I have great respect for John McCain's service for his country, but I respectfully disagree …". How can they respect John McCain while disagreeing with his ideas at the same time? For God's sake, the GOP had no mercy in tearing a highly decorated Vietnam vet John Kerry with lies and character assassination in 2004.
Having said that, we need to focus on what this election is all about. This is not an election to honor the memory of someone who has sought voting right for colored people. Although there are 12 million people who live and work in America today, yet they can not vote nor do they have any rights like other citizens. However, this is another story. This 2008 election is about the American people taking back the government from interest groups, of ending Bush-Cheney wars, and of ending Free Trade and Globalization. A few years ago, Electrolux a manufacturer of refrigerating equipment decided to close a plant in Western Michigan and moved it to Mexico. In spite of the state and city's concessions, 2,200 workers were permanently laid off. Now these people, their family, and their community will not be impressed today by watching the DNC honoring Martin Luther King dream speech. In today's economy of Globalization and Free Trade, we need to hear heroes like Cesar Chavez who fought to organize unions to protect migrant workers and their families from exploitation. We need to hear John Sweeney president of AFL-CIO telling us the stories of heroic union organizers who risk their comforts and lives to wage concessions from ruthless business owners and managers. These are the heroes who are responsible for the creation of the Middle Class. We need to hear from veterans against the Iraq War of what they have seen and heard in their tours of duty. We need to hear a lot of whining from invisible Americans who have suffered and left out in the last 8 years. We need to know what the Democrats have to offer.
There are about 2 months left before election. It is time for the Democrats to wake up and make necessary changes to win the elections of 2008. Only after Obama's victory can we afford to have occasions to celebrate Dr. King's dream speech. Until then, Obama may be nothing more than another Jesse Jackson.
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#21 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:13 AM EDT{"commentId":2629685,"authorDomain":"WhackArnolds"}
All Republicans will say is "Rock star". Get out of the way of your own hate and vote for a better life.
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- 2 votes
#22 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:19 AM EDT{"commentId":2629900,"authorDomain":"dayna-2"}
Typical tell a republican they are hateful or racist because they do not like a empty suit candidate. The majority of Republicans do not like Obama becuase he is way off on the issues not his skin color as many of you assume. Frankly i find it offensive you even claim such and even if i agreed with Obama on the issues i would not vote for him based on the way many of his supporters act calling people they disagree with racist.
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{"commentId":2629977,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
If they don't like an empty suit, why did they elect Bush and why are they supporting McCain?
{"commentId":2629977,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2629862,"authorDomain":"dayna-2"}
Anyone who changed their vote over a speech is a fool.
Again Obama makes a bunch of promises he cannot deliver on. Like talking about technologies that do not exist like they already exist. Then making a plan based on such technology. Like the plug in hybrid cars. Umm hello even if they were made it would take energy and money out of your pocket to charge them.
Obama's economic sense is even worse his plans for the oil windfall tax and capital gains taxes will cripple our economy.
On the Windfall Tax the oil companies will just pass the tax on to you through the cost of gasoline. The $1000 a year gas credit he gives you that the tax pays for will be worthless then.
On the Capital Gains tax if Obama almost doubles it as he plans, it will cripple the stock and real estate markets becuase noone will want to buy if they have to pay outrageous taxes to buy. Instead more people will be selling.
People voting for him need to look atthe big picture not all these handouts hes offering.
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#23 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:28 AM EDT{"commentId":2629987,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
What technologies do not exist?
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2630342,"authorDomain":"otb"}
And what wouldn't 150 billion dollar pay for, if we were simply to to invest in them instead of bombs?
Wow, if only these guys had a little more money
Or how about these guys? ?????
You've really got nothing to lose. The worst that can happen is you get an articulate, intelligent president who will command instant respect around the world.
{"commentId":2630342,"threadId":"342647","contentId":"1799264","authorDomain":"otb"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2629884,"authorDomain":"northerngirl"}
Good night NewsVine - I have to go to work tomorrow.
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#24 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:29 AM EDT{"commentId":2630354,"authorDomain":"csfoster2000"}
And some people had the audacity to say Senator Obama had set the bar to high for himself to clear. That Barack Obama could not possibly be personal, specific, pragmatic, aggressive, challenging, combative, and inspirational all at the same time in one speech.
Yet he truly almost easily cleared that bar giving perhaps the greatest nominee acceptance speech of all time.
And the truth is America was hoping to see and hear him do it and more are more ready than ever to vote him the opportunity to serve as Commander-in-Chief, as our President, and work with him to fulfill the possibility of America's Promise.
Simply Stated.......A Brilliant Speech!
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- 1 vote
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