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McCain vetter defends Palin review

Tue Sep 2, 2008 7:28 AM EDT
politics, sarah-palin, palin, john-mccain, cvn
Liz Sidoti, AP Political Editor

Bristol Palin, 17, holds her brother Trig during the campaign rally where Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., introduced Bristol and Trig's mom, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, as his vice presidential running mate in Dayton, Ohio, Friday, Aug. 29, 2008. Sarah Palin said Monday, Sept. 1, 2008, that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant. With Bristol is, left to right, their father Todd and sisters Piper and Willow. (AP Photo/Stephan Savoia)

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WEST ST PAUL — Sarah Palin voluntarily told John McCain's campaign about her pregnant teenage daughter and her husband's 2-decade-old DUI arrest during questioning as part of the Republican's vice presidential search, the lawyer who conducted the background review said.

The Alaska governor also greatly detailed the dismissal of the state's public safety commissioner that has touched off a legislative investigation, Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr. told The Associated Press in an interview Monday.

Palin underwent a "full and complete" background examination before McCain chose her as his running mate, Culvahouse said. Asked whether everything that came up as a possible red flag during the review already has been made public, he said: "I think so. Yah, I think so. Correct."

McCain's campaign has been trying to tamp down questions about whether the Arizona senator adequately researched his surprise vice presidential selection or whether he chose the first-term governor without fully looking into her background.

Nicolle Wallace, a senior McCain adviser, told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Tuesday that Palin disclosed her daughter's pregnancy during the vetting process, and that the McCain campaign had been forced to reveal the pregnancy publicly Monday because of "lewd and outrageously false rumors" spread by "Democratic-leaning blogs and a few in the mainstream" media. She did not identify them.

Since McCain publicly disclosed his running mate on Friday, the notion of a shoddy, rushed review has been stoked repeatedly.

First, a campaign-issued timeline said McCain initially met Palin in February, then held one phone conversation with her last week before inviting her to Arizona, where he met with her a second time and offered her the job Thursday.

Then came the campaign's disclosure that Palin's unmarried 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, was pregnant. The father is Levi Johnston, who has been a hockey player at Bristol's high school, The New York Post and The New York Daily News reported in their Tuesday editions.

In addition, the campaign also disclosed that Palin's husband, Todd, then age 22, was arrested in 1986 in Alaska for driving under the influence of alcohol.

Shortly after Palin was named to the ticket, McCain's campaign dispatched a team of a dozen communications operatives and lawyers to Alaska. That fueled speculation that a comprehensive examination of Palin's record and past was incomplete and being done only after she was placed on the ticket.

Steve Schmidt, a senior adviser, said no matter who the nominee was, the campaign was ready to send a "jump team" to the No. 2's home state to work with the nominee's staff, work with the local media and help handle requests from the national media for information, and answer questions about documents that were part of the review.

At several points throughout the process, McCain's team warned Palin that the scrutiny into her private life would be intense and that there was nothing she could do to prepare for it.

Culvahouse disclosed details of his examination in a half-hour interview with the AP.

First, a team of some 25 people working under Culvahouse culled information from public sources for Palin and other prospective candidates without their knowledge. For all, news reports, speeches, financial and tax return disclosures, litigation, investigations, ethical charges, marriages and divorces were reviewed.

For Palin specifically, the team studied online archives of the state's largest newspapers, including the Anchorage Daily News, but didn't request paper archives for Palin's hometown newspaper. "I made the decision that we could not get it done and maintain secrecy," Culvahouse said.

Reports, 40-some pages and single-spaced, on each candidate then were reviewed by McCain, Schmidt, campaign manager Rick Davis and top advisers Mark Salter and Charlie Black.

Among the details McCain's campaign found: Palin had once received a citation for fishing without a license.

Palin, like others on the short list, then was sent a personal data questionnaire with 70 "very intrusive" questions, Culvahouse said. She also was asked to submit a number of years of federal and state tax returns, as well as any controversial articles she had written or interviews she had done. The campaign also checked her credit.

Then, Culvahouse conducted a nearly three-hour-long interview.

He said the first thing she volunteered was that her daughter was pregnant, and she also quickly disclosed her husband's DUI arrest.

Early on, the public search unearthed details of the investigation by the Republican-controlled legislature into the possibility that Palin ordered the dismissal of Alaska's public safety commissioner because he would not fire her former brother-in-law as a state trooper.

Culvahouse said that he asked follow-up questions during the interview, and "spent a lot of time with her lawyer" on the matter.

"We came out of it knowing all that we could know at the time," he said.

As for the financial records review, Culvahouse said: "It was very clean. We had no issues there."

Throughout the process, the campaign said, Davis had multiple conversations with Palin.

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Dan-470975

CNN did a better job vetting Palin!!

Mccain's first offical decision proved why he should never be voted in as President.

This country cannot handle anymore Bush Mccain, the economy and the dollar has tanked!
The borrowing of money from China to fund the war is outrageous!

Mcain and his sidekick are UNFIT FOR SERVICE!!

Who cares that he has a woman running?
A lot of people will not vote GENDER!

BUT this isn't about gender its all about O.I.L.!
Its all about drilling in ANWR!

Palin is a disaster as and they know it but after all the country was waiting for a prolife woman werent we? NOT!! The pubs placed the country's entire election on the prolife ISSUE period!

Look even if a woman is prolife which we are, even if abortion is legal a woman has a CHOICE she doesnt HAVE to have a abortion so if you are prolife so what that a VP is? She wont obviously make the choice for you.
( we dont need her and her family as models for OUR TEENS!)

The pubs and their issues and platforms are totally out of touch with reality!

BUT their choosing ms moose burger for VP shows the bad choices they will make for this country when it really matters!!

  • 20 votes
#1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 7:49 AM EDT
tntharlow

I am sure the country can handle the number one and the number three "pork barrel spenders" in the senate as President and Vice President. Obama and Biden would spend this countries money before they even knew where it was going. Their records on spending show a lack of control and how utterly unfit they both are at leading anything much less our country. I wouldn't let them handle my family budget with their spending records much less vote them in to spend our countries money. We do not need career politicians with bad senate records who have been in Washington since my birth as leaders of the most powerful country in the free world. However, they should be voted out of the senate and work for a living like the rest of us instead of running their mouths about subjects they are to dumb to grasp.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 8:52 AM EDT
Pamela Drew

Obama and Biden would spend this countries money before they even knew where it was going. Their records on spending show a lack of control and how utterly unfit they both are at leading anything much less our country.

Let's see some numbers for that. The Bush Administration and GoP controlled Congress dating to the Gingrich Revolution, have mighty big spending shoes to fill. Any facts you can link that show Biden or Obama in that camp will be appreciated, since no evidence I've seen points to that as true.

  • 22 votes
#1.2 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 8:58 AM EDT
MRZK.COM

If I'm not mistaken it took Bush 7 years before his first veto. Republicans obviously know nothing about debt and never met a tax break they didn't like.

  • 14 votes
#1.3 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:14 AM EDT
Austin-ite

Ha!

http://djhobby.blogspot.com/2008/08/tax-and-spend-liberal-cartoon.html

Check it out

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:37 AM EDT
MomaJ

So Palin's husband had a DUI, did he leave a Mary Jo in the car, not remember to go get her for 9 hours. Come on Dems. get a grip on life. A DUI doesn't necessarily mean he committed murder.

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:44 AM EDT
SnotRag Dave

The DUI is a non-issue... and I don't see anyone seriously arguing otherwise.

The real issue is whether Palin has any qualifications for national office.

The sub-topic is Palin's various stances on the so-called 'family values' issues, and the teenage daughter's pregnancy -- while a private family matter -- is part of that discussion.

  • 7 votes
#1.6 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:49 AM EDT
MalamuteMan

Oh come on tntharlow,

Your economic argument holds NO water. George Bush and the Republicans have absolutely mangled the American economy! You want more of that???

Oh yeah, speaking of politicians and how they handle money, let's not forget that your anti-earmarks VP pick accepted $27,000,000 in earmarks for her little town.

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:50 AM EDT
Lazarillo

Do you really think our candidates should be chosen by such criteria as "not having a pregnant teenager?" By setting ridiculous random criteria, we eliminate 99% of Americans from participating in politics. And from what I've seen, the remaining 1% leave something to be desired.

It would be better to focus on issues, and let the best performers enter the race.

I am not saying this specific person is a "best performer." I don't know her. I'm just saying the media tendency to immediately zoom in on tabloid journalism is one of the big problems limiting our candidate choices.

    #1.8 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:05 AM EDT
    MomaJ

    CNN? Isn't that another of the TV stations that are making sure the Dems. get in?
    Seems to me they only talk Democrats.
    I class those TV stations right up there with Rosy O'D., hummm. what was it she said,
    "We all know you can't melt steel"? Wonder if that dummy ever heard of the people that worked in the factories melting steel and pouring it into the molds? Smelters, I believe they are called.
    Maybe you also would like to read the Dems. favorite web site the Daily Kos.
    My, my, what hate you can add to your own from that spot.

    • 1 vote
    #1.9 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:15 AM EDT
    Feldspar

    I didn't see any democrats waggling about her husbands DUI. That's more phony republican indignation. Just like Romney did in the primary:

    • Pay for an attack ad on himself
    • Act offended
    • Criticize his opponent for daring to go there

    Now Palin is:

    • Releasing a DUI charge that no cared about
    • Pretending indignation to distract from the real issue
    • Criticize her nameless opponents for daring to go there

    Phony

    • 10 votes
    #1.10 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:39 AM EDT
    SteveHouse

    If I'm not mistaken it took Bush 7 years before his first veto.

    Bush vetoed a bill on stem cell research in 2005. But it was stem cell research, not financial. Bush Budgets tend to have deficits in the hundreds of billions...

    • 2 votes
    #1.11 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 4:47 PM EDT
    Jan-real truth

    Obama said over the weekend that children of candidates are off limits. Were liberals listening to their leader? Or perhaps his leadership is so weak, the liberals in the media, pundits, etc. don't follow it. Thank you for showing us this major weakness with these lame hippocritical talking points all over the news today.

      #1.12 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 5:32 PM EDT
      SteveHouse

      McCain urged the South Carolina (Wasn't it South?) GOP not to run an ad smearing Obama back in the late primaries, but they did anyway. McCain said at the beginning he would run a clean campaign, but has run numerous attack ads already. Were liberalsconservatives listening to their leader? Or perhaps his leadership is so weak, the liberalsconservatives in the media, pundits,HIS OWN PARTY etc. don't follow it. Thank you for showing us this major weakness with these lame hippocritical talking points all over the news commentary today.

      • 1 vote
      #1.13 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 5:46 PM EDT
      Jan-real truth

      Psychological "projection", "blameshifting", "name-calling" all prove there's no substance or substitute for the real thing. Hence the talking points today, which appear suspiciously like fear in the camp.

      What does Obama bring to the table? What are his accomplishments....really? Here's your chance. Let's hear it!

        #1.14 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 6:39 PM EDT
        SteveHouse

        Barack Obama has energized a generation famous for political apathy into political action. He made those who don't give a @!$%#, care about what happens to their country. And he did this simply by inspiring then to believe in their own power to cause change. He brings fresh eyes to the table, fresh voices. He brings a willingness to actually learn about and work out differences with our "enemies," instead of turning a cold shoulder and killing each other as has been the norm. He brings acceptance that the economy is broken and a desire to fix it, rather than insisting that everything is fine--against the evidence to the contrary. He brings a comprehensive energy plan, rather than vague references to Chernobyl, and a desire to get off not only foreign oil, but all oil entirely, in favor of renewables that can keep this country moving in the new century. He brings a refocusing on education and a fix to the disaster that is No Child Left Behind. He brings an end to the free ride for the wealthy at the expense of you and I.

        I don't like wasting opportunities. :)

          #1.15 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 6:59 PM EDT
          Jan-real truth

          Over the years I've seen many Americans energized for many generations for quite a few elections. Most all politicians are very effective at doing that, including those who don't even really lay out a clear plan. Campaign speeches shouldn't be a shell game. We shouldn't have to get on the internet and pour over articles to find out what direction the President of the United States wants to take me an you.

          And I've seen numerous fresh eyes and fresh voices pull up to the table on both sides of the political aisle and some even have resumes to match the job. Have you really compared the McCain/Palin resume to the O/B one.

          And I believe that every President of the United States of America so far has done everything possible to avoid conflict. The ones I know who have had the misfortune of having had attacks on American soil on their watch fortunately have had the courage to respond. America's freedom isn't cheap nor free. And it never will be. History tells us it never has been from the Revolutionary War to the current war on terror. By the way there are terrorists living on American soil who are prepared to sever our heads and "turn our streets red with American blood (OBL)"...their weapon of choice. And they are waiting for the command to do so. This is real; it's not a video game we can just turn off at the switch, and even businessmen traveling in terrorist countries have observed that first hand. That's why those men and women standing in and up for you and I deserve and receive yours and my utmost support and respect. I'm even honored to know some of them personally. And I'm sure have that privilege too. They are very couragous and unique individuals. And to them killing is not the "norm" but protecting their brothers and sisters at home is their pledge, their goal, their norm. They consider it a duty and an honor. Terrorists look at cowardice as weakness they can defeat. It's a culture many of us have trouble understanding or even believing exists. John McCain understands the enemy of America and Israel. His record stands alonef. I too would like to think a handshake, a cum ba ya would suffice with Ahmed but a group hug or a conference just won't work in some cases.

          The economy: America is blessed. And we are wasteful as a result. It's something easily resolved by concerned and activist individuals, who can and should. We are the richest country in the world and many rely on us. Why do you think many come here, and many more want to. The picture of America that has been portrayed in the media, day after day for eight years, is not the America I see and I can assure you I am not one of the rich. I'm very middle class--the ones Sen O wants to tax more and then give us a credit. Hum? Is that logical? Can we do better. Yes we can. We can always do better. And yes those who need our help, we need to help them. Government programs aren't working now and larger government programs will reach deeper into your pockets and mine, and I can assure you without batting an eye that we would still have those who need assistance. I have it on good authority. Jesus said, "the poor we will always have with us". This is an individual moral issue not a throw-money-at-it government issue. That won't solve that problem either. McCain/Palin have history of saving American's dollars.

          The energy plan: inflate our tires! Come on. You're obviously educated and intelligent. PS. How can we change our dependency on foreign oil? I haven't read or heard Sen O's plan for that either...really. Renewables...have you listened to McCain/Palin.

          I totally agree. Education needs a complete 360. The solution is simple: Change the curriculum to what worked before it didn't and place teachers in schools who will teach what works. Why change for the sake of change. Or if that's going backwards too uncomfortable for some why not give parents the choice. We have choice in other areas, why not education? The curriculum is the problem not throw-more money-at-it government intervention, which is Obama's plan. McCain's plan gives parents the choice to make decisions for their own children's future. Do our children belong to the government? Do you really think in your hearts of hearts that government can best decide what a child needs.

          O want to tax the wealthy and not the backbone of the tax base. That's not the Obama plan I hear. Neal Cavuto says Sen Obama needs to do the math. I trust Cavuto and the financial experts. I wouln't take my car to Senator O or Oprah for a tune-up. No one with all their faculties would. Obama wants more of my money...and yours. Further he said in his speech last week he wants more of my time as well. I am currently a community volunteer and have been for the past 22 years. I love doing it, but I sure don't need the government telling me I must volunteer. Would you? I resent a dictatorship. Don't you. If I want that I'll move to Europe, Russia, Canada, etc. I volunteer because in my little corner of the world I can make a difference and I have. McCain/Palin have a record of letting us keep and spend our own money and reducing government spending. They are for less government interference in our money and in our personal lives.

          Contrary to what I heard Senator Kennedy (and I have great compassion for the Kennedy's) say on the radio a couple of years ago "The American people are too stupid to spend their own money, we have to spend it for them. I don't know about you but I resent that too. And I hope any red-blooded American who understands what he meant would as well. Further I believe our country is abundant with resources for solutions and people very capable of delivering great things. This election is not about Obama's hope or him giving us hope, it's not about Obama's feelings, it's not about Obama'a ability to deliver a speech on a very expensive extravagant stage that his supporters provided with their hard earned contributions for him to give them tingling feelings. That's not enough. it's about you and I caring and unselfishly taking care of our own neighbor, friend, famly and giving on our own without a bigger govenment taking my time and yours on Monday night football to work for the government. That's not the America I know.

          I'm sorry I don't depend of any polititicial for hope, but I expect and deserve much more...And so do you.

            #1.16 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 2:19 AM EDT
            SteveHouse

            We shouldn't have to get on the internet and pour over articles to find out what direction the President of the United States wants to take me an you.

            Right you are. But that's not exactly the candidates' fault. If you aren't getting information about their proposals from their websites, you have to turn to news media. You can find plenty of analysis in print media, but that tends to take a very blatant slant. Then there's TV news--you're not finding policy discussion there. That's boring. That's not gonna get anyone viewers. That's not a Story™. And you can't really give a whole lot of details in a 30-second spot, either. (Not that McCain has tried. I've yet to see a McCain ad that wasn't about Obama.)

            Re: the block on terrorism: This is just something we really shouldn't get into. You and I will never agree on the War on Terror. You (seem to) believe it's a matter of us against them in a zero-sum game, that they hate us for who we are, etc. I believe they have very specific reasons, and many of them justified, to hate us, as abhorrent and detestable as their methods are, and that the entire campaign is a political football designed to give us a common enemy to unite against behind our waving flags, in the absence of crack or, more accurately, the USSR. Afghanistan? Cool. They were harboring bin Laden. Iraq? That's a stop at a Quickie Mart on the way to find the real killer. The rest? Increasing government power over the populace. But again, us getting into that will be hopeless.

            The picture of America that has been portrayed in the media, day after day for eight years, is not the America I see and I can assure you I am not one of the rich. I'm very middle class--the ones Sen O wants to tax more and then give us a credit. Hum?

            I don't know where you're seeing this America that isn't hurting. I see it constantly. For a side-by-side comparison of Obama's and McCain's tax plans, a great visualization lives here. If you're a part of the bottom 60% of taxpayers, you'll pay far less less under Barack Obama. If you're in the top 1%--especially the top 1/10 of 1%--You'll want John McCain.

            The energy plan: inflate our tires! Come on. You're obviously educated and intelligent. PS. How can we change our dependency on foreign oil? I haven't read or heard Sen O's plan for that either...really. Renewables...have you listened to McCain/Palin.

            Go here and click "Read the New Energy for America plan." It's his entire energy plan, lain out in detail; that's something McCain doesn't offer, ironically, proposal details. The tire gauge remark was--and this has been independently verified as accurate--a crack at offshore drilling. The benefit from offshore drilling is about the same as the benefit of everyone properly inflating their tires, and it won't hit the market for at least five years, and that's a short estimate. Oh, what else....

            Education

            Don't get me wrong, McCain says he'll bring education to the front too. I wouldn't mind a voucher system, and I actually grew up in a K-8 school district that took my parents' property taxes, even though I only went there for kindergarten and the local middle school (6-7) was literally visible from my back yard, so I know how little sense it makes to not pay the school you go to. In case that was confusing, the middle school was the town's school, and I was in a rural district.

            O want to tax the wealthy and not the backbone of the tax base. That's not the Obama plan I hear.

            Check back at the side-by-side visualization from WaPo up there.

            Further he said in his speech last week he wants more of my time as well. I am currently a community volunteer and have been for the past 22 years. I love doing it, but I sure don't need the government telling me I must volunteer.

            Do you totally ignore this whole Republican buzz-line-du-jour, "COUNTRY FIRST"? Their whole deal now is this big "service" thing. It's intended to play up McCain as a veteran, but it really plays out as a call to service. Now, I doubt Barack Obama would tell you you need to volunteer more. He'd probably use you as a shining example, actually. The only thing I can think of Obama saying that you could reference as "must" volunteer would be expanding federal Pell grants but requiring volunteer work to get them. I don't just love it, but I don't hate it either. It's a way to get college kids helping their community.

            "The American people are too stupid to spend their own money, we have to spend it for them. I don't know about you but I resent that too. And I hope any red-blooded American who understands what he meant would as well.

            I do. How fortunate that Ted Kennedy isn't running for anything.

            it's not about Obama'a ability to deliver a speech on a very expensive extravagant stage that his supporters provided with their hard earned contributions for him to give them tingling feelings.

            Don't even try to belittle grassroots support. With grassroots support you get real democracy, not lobbyist aristocracy (or at least closer to the former). And don't even try to convince me you know why every Obama supporter donated. I guarantee you 95% of them had little to do with "tingling feelings," not because I do know, but because people aren't imbeciles. It's curious that you get indignant at Ted Kennedy saying we're too stupid to spend our own money, and then say this.

              #1.17 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 3:42 AM EDT
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              ComSen

              CNN did a better job vetting Palin

              If McCain already knew about this before CNN, can you support that statement?

              The rest seems to be unsupported as well.

              • 7 votes
              Reply#2 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 8:06 AM EDT
              Tappy McWidestance

              If McCain already knew about this before CNN, can you support that statement?

              The real question is knowing what we know about Palin, was she really the best candidate the Republicans could have presented for VP or did McCain kowtow to the right wing... again. Last night on Larry King the Republican spin meisters had no answer for whether Palin was the best person the Republican party could nominate for VP. They had to keep falling back on "it was John McCain's decision and he made it."

              This, of course, contradicts the reports from inside the campaign that until Thursday night, McCain was set to announce his best friend Joe Lieberman. But after Barack's speech, the right wing went nuts and put a stop to McCain making his own choice.

              Palin is just like Harriet Miers. She will not make it to election day on the ticket.

              • 11 votes
              #2.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 8:56 AM EDT
              demmywemmy

              This, of course, contradicts the reports from inside the campaign that until Thursday night, McCain was set to announce his best friend Joe Lieberman. But after Barack's speech, the right wing went nuts and put a stop to McCain making his own choice.

              Fascinating, if true. Any source for this?

              • 7 votes
              #2.2 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:06 AM EDT
              MRZK.COM

              They also held off on donations until the selection to make it look like a "spike" in donations due to all the support.

              Also, call me crazy but isn't there a significant difference between a teenage mother of 17 and a teenage mother of 18? Seems to me there are male prisoners in jail that made this mistake and the Republicans passed a lot of legislation to make it so.

              • 3 votes
              #2.3 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:35 AM EDT
              MomaJ

              You do have sources for this?
              "They also held off on donations until the selection to make it look like a "spike" in donations due to all the support."

              • 4 votes
              #2.4 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:19 AM EDT
              Chello

              There was no vetting process. McCain knew Palin about as well as you and I do. This pick was to pander to the pro-life side who are skeptical about him. they are trying to use gender against Obama since race hasn't worked liked they hoped.

              • 4 votes
              #2.5 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:58 PM EDT
              Feldspar

              Wow,

              Rank and file republican's really do lick up anything the GOP leadership drop on the ground don't they?

              Talk about unquestioning loyalty to a bunch of self serving politicians driving the GOP train strait off a cliff. The GOP could say absolutely anything and these ditto heads would buy it.

              That may the difference between liberals and conservatives right there.

              • 1 vote
              #2.6 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 6:13 PM EDT
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              MrCerebellum

              Do you think if America knew that Cheney's daughter was a lesbian BEFORE he became VP America would've given it the same media attention - or they've would've voted against GOP simply because conservatives detested his daughter?

              Do you think they feel as strongly about pre-marital sex than they do homosexuality - or will they overlook it just to keep Repub. in the Oval Office?

              Why do they call them buildings if they're already built?

              Discuss.

                Reply#3 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 8:31 AM EDT
                Tappy McWidestance

                Do you think they feel as strongly about pre-marital sex than they do homosexuality - or will they overlook it just to keep Repub. in the Oval Office?

                The Conservatives will try to sweep this under the rug in order to remain in power. That is all they really care about. The entire abortion issue is just a wedge issue to drive people apart. Did you ever notice when they are in power the Conservatives do nothing to try and overturn Roe v. Wade? Of course not because they like having that issue to bring people to the polls. The same goes for gay marriage. It's just a way to turn out their base.

                Sarah Palin promotes abstinence only sex education, no contraception even for married couples and teaching creationism in school. What she doesn't believe in is having children who don't have premarital sex, using your political position for personal gain, protecting the environment or telling the truth to the American people about her positions.

                She also doesn't appear to have been too concerned with the health of her last baby since she admitted giving a speach in Texas and then flying 8 hours home to Alaska AFTER her water broke. Does any mother out there see a problem with this kind of behavior?

                • 10 votes
                #3.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 8:51 AM EDT
                Pamela Drew

                Does any mother out there see a problem with this kind of behavior?

                I try not to judge what other people do in extreme circumstances, even though some situations are pretty clear my choices would be different. It is unusual for an airline to let a woman fly after six months of pregnancy, much less board a long flight once labor has begun, but that's history now.

                What matters is the future and however much I love and support working mothers, there's no question that a special needs infant and teen mother under her wing present special demands for a mother in her own home.

                The office of VP is one that demands extraordinary time and energy that are best served by someone whose lifestyle is less demanding than the one Palin has now. Let's call it honestly, her plate's full.

                • 14 votes
                #3.2 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:08 AM EDT
                SnotRag Dave

                Palin's ambition has overwhelmed her common sense.

                She saw the chance to be ushered onto the national scene and decided to go for it, either not knowing or caring about the intensity of the media spotlight.

                I wonder if all of her children welcome this attention.

                I can't say if the teenage daughter's pregnancy would have been newsworthy within Alaska's borders, but it certainly would not have warranted national attention if Palin had not been placed on the ticket.

                Parenting is a full-time job. Those of us who have balanced raising children with the demands of a two-paycheck household know this very well. All good parents know... sometimes you have to sacrifice your personal goals for the sake of the children, especially when they are infants.

                Palin's plate is full, no doubt.

                • 6 votes
                #3.3 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:33 AM EDT
                jazzman646

                The office of VP is one that demands extraordinary time and energy that are best served by someone whose lifestyle is less demanding than the one Palin has now. Let's call it honestly, her plate's full.

                Pamela Drew,

                Really?

                Please explain what about being VP "demands extraordinary time and energy".

                Duties of a VP

                The formal powers and role of the vice president are limited by the Constitution to becoming President in the event of the death or resignation of the President and acting as the presiding officer of the U.S. Senate. As President of the Senate, the Vice President has two primary duties: to cast a vote in the event of a Senate deadlock and to preside over and certify the official vote count of the U.S. Electoral College. For example, in the first half of 2001, the Senators were divided 50-50 between Republicans and Democrats and Dick Cheney's tie-breaking vote gave the Republicans the Senate majority. (See 107th United States Congress.)

                The informal roles and functions of the Vice President depend on the specific relationship between the President and the Vice President, but often include drafter and spokesperson for the administration's policy, as an adviser to the president, as Chairman of the Board of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), as a Member of the board of the Smithsonian Institution, and as a symbol of American concern or support. Their influence in this role depends almost entirely on the characteristics of the particular administration.

                Basically the VP doesn't have a lot to do as far as official duties , which are very limited by the Constitution.

                Dick Cheney has been in the position for the last 8 years with a known heart problem. I doubt he would have remained in the position if it was so stressful a job.

                • 2 votes
                #3.4 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:34 PM EDT
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                dingler

                I'm for Obama

                who freeking cares

                this is not newsworthy.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#4 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 8:54 AM EDT
                Zaki

                please use the spell checker built-in the comment maker. By using poor grammar you're making the rest of us Obama supporters look bad. Thanks :)

                  #4.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 1:19 PM EDT
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                  Ladyinred1

                  What a national joke the republicans (sp. w/a small "r") are! They preach (i.e. no separation of church/state) as if they can walk right into your bedroom and condemn you straight to h if you are not doing "it" in the missionary position. Oh puleeze. They could not be more hypocritical. They are just more programmed to hiding their supposed sins.

                  And yet, on the issues that really count and do matter, they haven't the foggiest clue how to solve them and seemingly could not care less. Drill, drill, drill. Bomb, bomb, bomb! Best they can come up with.

                  May God in Heaven help us all if we're are so stupid as to return this corrupt, inept, bunch of clowns and jokers to the WH and Washington!

                  • 9 votes
                  Reply#5 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 8:59 AM EDT
                  MomaJ

                  So disgruntled Dems. Let's put in Change.....
                  Change what?
                  The only thing I hear the Great One say is,
                  Let's take care of our brothers. Feed them, clothe them and give them housing.
                  Is this why his own brother is living inside a cubical of fencing?
                  Couldn't the Great One think far enough ahead and send his brother an extra
                  24 dollars a month to make sure he had a roof over his head?
                  Go ahead, vote Obama and let's watch Castro Jr. take over the Land of the Free.

                  • 5 votes
                  #5.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:51 AM EDT
                  CarrieJo

                  Bravo to you. I have thought that for awhile now and it is great to read your view on the subject. I am fearful that we will get McCain and be back to the same old stuff over and over again. We need someone who will put this country on a better path once more.
                  McCain and his group picked this woman because she is a woman and are looking for the Hillary people to vote for her. Wrong! We are not that stupid I hope anyway.

                  • 2 votes
                  #5.2 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:21 AM EDT
                  Reply
                  Ladyinred1

                  What a national joke the republicans (sp. w/a small "r") are! They preach (i.e. no separation of church/state) as if they can walk right into your bedroom and condemn you straight to h if you are not doing "it" in the missionary position. Oh puleeze. They could not be more hypocritical. They are just more programmed to hiding their supposed sins.

                  And yet, on the issues that really count and do matter, they haven't the foggiest clue how to solve them and seemingly could not care less. Drill, drill, drill. Bomb, bomb, bomb! Best they can come up with.

                  May God in Heaven help us all if we're are so stupid as to return this corrupt, inept, bunch of clowns and jokers to the WH and Washington!

                    Reply#6 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:01 AM EDT
                    A. H. Min

                    Wow. Her daughter is pregnant. And her husband was arrested twenty years ago for drunk driving. Yeah, those are two things that should DEFINITELY not permit her into the White House.

                    Except that she wasn't responsible for either.

                    • 7 votes
                    Reply#7 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:06 AM EDT
                    LunarTick

                    No, she's not directly responsible for either. But being a major influence in both her husband's and her daughter's lives, she absolutely does bear some responsibility.

                    • 7 votes
                    #7.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:36 AM EDT
                    newsguru

                    Diane Sawyer seemed to stump a McCain spokeswoman this morning on GMA: She quoted a statistic that teens are 60% less likely to get pregnant or get someone pregnant if they've had a comprehensive sex ed class rather than an abstinence only policy, then proceeded to ask her isn't it relevant since Palin supports abstinence only and has a pregnant teen.

                    Personally, I think that makes Palin pregnant teen situation a relevant one. Not the teen herself, but the Governor's stance (incorrect stance) on the issue.

                    • 11 votes
                    #7.2 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:53 AM EDT
                    MomaJExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                    Maybe you could take more responsiblity and feed a few of the never do wells.
                    Or is your plate too full of trying to beat the tax man to your door?
                    Tax here, Tax more, Tax now, that should be Nobama's theme.
                    You will go for it.

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.3 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:53 AM EDT
                    SnotRag Dave

                    Mr. Palin's DUI is not worthy of discussion.

                    Gov. Palin DOES bear some responsibility when it comes to the pregnancy of her teenage daughter. Not the fact that she caused or could have prevented it... but she sure did her best to hide the fact.

                    Now we know why her daughter was selected to carry Palin's infant son for Friday's announcement. (I did think it was strange that Mr. Palin wasn't holding his son.) Nothing hides a baby bump quite like an infant and a blanket.

                    • 5 votes
                    #7.4 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:03 AM EDT
                    BB-375952

                    Give me a break. So if your family member gets a ticket for drunk driving you should go to jail, it is your responsibility? If your daughter gets pregnant it is your fault your responsibility? People make their own mistakes. These family problems doesn't question her ability to be the VP. She is a very intelligent woman.

                    You know what you all find wrong with her really ????

                    She is Republican

                    She is a Woman!
                    Or she isn't Hillary, and I am thankful for that. She is much more genuine.

                    • 2 votes
                    #7.5 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:05 AM EDT
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                    Uncle Jack

                    People will judge anyone they dont like..especially in this heated election season...no one is perfect..does the judgement of your children change the type of person you are?? Your kids reach a point when they will make their own choice positive or negative..dragging something up that happened 22 years ago while in college?..come on I wonder how many of the liberals where smoking dope/drinking while they were hold up protest signs while they were in college..they just didn't get caught...you can't change what happened but at least she's taking responsibility and not using the liberal form of birth control....

                    Truth is neither party is going to fix the Gas/Healthcare issues anyway..there's too much money in it and the big companies will get into everyone's pockets..we the people are the only ones that can fix them by the way we live our lives..

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#8 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:06 AM EDT
                    MomaJ

                    The Dems are still using their drugs. That is why they are so fast to jump on anything that happens in the lives of the Republican's. Got to keep the heat of themselves. The only thing I
                    have found out for sure, is the Dems are a nasty bunch of haters.

                    • 2 votes
                    #8.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
                    Reply
                    Ladyinred1

                    Sorry for the double post. It said "Apologies, your post didn't go through" - or something to that effect.
                    Not sure I can delete either one or just how.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#9 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:06 AM EDT
                    my3sons

                    If this is all the "dirt" they can dig up about Sarah Palin HOORAY! She is about as squeaky clean as a politician can get. Who cares if her husband got a DUI when he was 22. It is no one's business if her daughter is pregnant. Many families experience the very same thing. Face it--McCain picking her was the boost the party needed.

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#10 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:22 AM EDT
                    MRZK.COM

                    Amazing how "compassionate" you law and order types are when it is one of your own. If it was a Democrat you would be having a field day on the evils of "liberalism".

                    I also recall all the noise about the firing of Hillary's staff, yet Palin clears the way for her family and there is not a peep.

                    C'mon people think for yourselves and at least TRY to be consistant.

                    • 5 votes
                    #10.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:47 AM EDT
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                    bluecollarbytes

                    Since McCain publicly disclosed his running mate on Friday, the notion of a shoddy, rushed review has been stroked repeatedly.

                    Keep on strokin. You may reach a personal climax, but average American clingers aren't bothered. They have an opportunity to get one of their own in the White House. The complete ignorance of elitists, professional politicos, doctrinaire Leftists and media stars is rising to the top-the ignorance of what it means to live one's conservative, evangelical values. They created the stereotypes and are now stuck with defending and reinforcing them.

                    Family values isn't some plank in a platform. It's what millions upon millions Practice daily. If the practice makes others uncomfortable, it's Their problem, Not Palin's.

                    Any talk of Palin's inexperience serves to highlight's Obama's-who evidently thinks running a presidential campaign is somehow on a higher plane of importance and experience than executive governance.

                    Palin might flame out. I doubt it. But Democrats now need to destroy Palin as completely as possible. Her outside the beltway persona is a serious threat to the Democrat/Republican politics as usual, including Obama/Biden.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#11 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:37 AM EDT
                    MRZK.COM

                    Executive? Like coaching a basketball team and being a mayor and a newbie governor who (we are told) was elected by a few hundred thousand people (read: possible ballot box tampering)?

                    The disgusting part is how inconsistent and elitist you folks are. It's the good ol' boy network gone mad. "Your either with us or against us".

                    Return the rule of law and prosecute.

                    • 1 vote
                    #11.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:51 AM EDT
                    SnotRag Dave

                    possible ballot box tampering

                    Doubtful.

                    A few hundred thousand people in a statewide election is a comfortable margin of victory, even more so in a less-populous state like Alaska.

                    • 1 vote
                    #11.2 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:10 AM EDT
                    Reply
                    Shiloh2008

                    I think John McCain tanked his election with Sarah Palin as his running mate. She is an unknown with little experience and apparently enough baggage to make people talk. Now the gossip is about her excesive use of federal earmarks in small town Wasilla, AK and a bridge to nowhere (BTW, did you know she is a former beauty queen to boot?). With McCain's age, he needed a younger VP selection and Palin may draw in the Hillary fans but overall, it seems to be a poor choice.

                    Gotta be able to drill for oil ANYWHERE!

                    Actually, it was a good choice if you are a democrat supporting Obama/Biden ;).

                    • 7 votes
                    Reply#12 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:39 AM EDT
                    MalamuteMan

                    "...may draw in the Hillary fans..."

                    Sarah Palin is SO DIFFERENT than Hillary Clinton! The notion that Hillary supporters would vote for McCain JUST because his pick is a woman is absurd... it's an insult to people that really care about women's issues! I know there are some who say that is what they are doing, but those people are so terribly misguided it makes me wonder why they EVER called themselves Democrats. People that think of Palin as a good substitute for Hillary belong in the party of NON-Thinkers!

                    • 1 vote
                    #12.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:05 AM EDT
                    Shiloh2008

                    Have you ever given any thought to what would have happened had McCain chosen Hillary as his running mate? A new era in politics crossing party lines. He would have taken the country by storm! Definitely would have been better than an unknown.

                    This country is so obsessed with party lines, it's scary. I vote for whom I think will do the best job, not straight party ticket as my parents have always done and will continue to do. Elmer Fudd could be on the ticket and they would vote for him.

                      #12.2 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:00 PM EDT
                      MalamuteMan

                      While I wasn't happy with everything Hillary did during the primary, I think of her as a VERY smart woman, a tremendous leader, and a real force to be reckoned with in politics. If Hillary accepted a VP invitation from McCain it would totally destroyed my respect for her.

                      I think your thoughtful approach to politics is great! I must admit I pretty much put my X next to the D almost no matter what. Not that I don't spend plenty of time investigating and thinking about the candidates and their positions... it is just that America has been lead into such a wacky and dysfunctional place that I figure I need to everything I can to swing the pendulum back the other way.

                        #12.3 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 1:15 PM EDT
                        Shiloh2008

                        Wacky and dysfunctional is right on the money. It is so difficult to figure out who to vote for. As sad as it is, there is no one candidate for any office, in either party, that does not have skeletons in his/her closet, some funky relative, or has been associated with some questionable practice.

                        Picking the best of two evils is the way to vote today, perhaps we should have more than two to pick from. In France they have unlimited parties and unlimited candidates - there can be as many as 400 people running for office. Talk about confusing!

                        Everyone thinks they are right (especially me) and that is what makes this country great! May the best candidate win!

                          #12.4 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 1:55 PM EDT
                          jazzman646

                          While I wasn't happy with everything Hillary did during the primary, I think of her as a VERY smart woman, a tremendous leader, and a real force to be reckoned with in politics

                          Is that why she lost?

                          • 1 vote
                          #12.5 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
                          MalamuteMan

                          Oh course it isn't why she lost jazzman! She lost because:
                          a) Initially she had a very poorly managed campaign
                          and
                          b) Barack is an even better choice

                            #12.6 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 4:08 PM EDT
                            MalamuteMan

                            Shiloh2008,

                            This IS NOT a lesser of two evils situation!

                            Barack Obama is a GREAT choice, an even BETTER choice than Hillary!

                            McCain is a JOKE!

                              #12.7 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
                              Shiloh2008

                              I do agree with you on Obama. Also, I am from Delaware so Biden only added to the package. I refer to elections in general in reference to the lesser (or better) of two evils.

                                #12.8 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
                                Reply
                                MRZK.COM

                                Besides, Chelsea was a good girl. ;-)

                                  Reply#13 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:08 AM EDT
                                  MomaJ

                                  I can see people voting the Bush/Cheney ticket, even knowing that his daughter was Gay.
                                  You cannot stay behind your children 24/7 to make sure they "think" like you do.
                                  You Liberal's act like your children never went against you in anyway. Give it up.
                                  I was raised by a Union/Democrat, he told us if you don't like the man, vote the party.
                                  Yep, that would work.
                                  On the other hand, My mother told us, when you go inside that voting booth, no one but you
                                  will ever know who/what you voted for. I took her advice. I voted Republican.
                                  Go McCain/Palin '08

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#14 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:10 AM EDT
                                  Frankie-473204

                                  At least there are 3 of us on this message board with brains...

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #14.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:51 AM EDT
                                  Shiloh2008

                                  So you are happy with the last 8 years? Happy that you were lied to about a war that we can't get out of? Happy with the economy? Happy with education (lack of), health care (lack of), and environmental issues (no lack of issues - just help)?

                                  What part of Utopia do you live in? I want to move there.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #14.2 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
                                  Reply
                                  Bob-472761

                                  There is nothing that was not discovered during the vetting process that deserves this much attention. Obama is correct when he said these issues have no place in the Presidential race and family issues should be off limits. I think his followers should respect his decision and the privacy of Palin's family. The federal money appropriated for Palin's home town can't always be based on population proportion if you ever managed public utilities.

                                    Reply#15 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:15 AM EDT
                                    M Harris-390682

                                    SHE AIN"T NO HILARY !!!!!
                                    "PLAGARIZED "
                                    In picking a diaper-changing, gun-toting former beauty queen, McCain, on the other hand, made a decision consistent with his own track record. While Palin lacks experience, she has a string of real accomplishments to show for herself.
                                    As a mayor, she cut property taxes 40 percent and reduced her own salary. She came across as forceful, a trait that attracted the leaders of Alaska's Republican Party. They arranged for her to be appointed to the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in 2003.
                                    Just after joining the commission, Palin led an ethics probe of the commission's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, who was also the state GOP chairman. Facing conflict-of interest-allegations, Ruedrich admitted ethics violations and resigned.
                                    As governor, she opposed a federal earmark for the $400 million so-called bridge to nowhere. She used her veto power to cut nearly $2 billion from the state budget. She was successful in enacting ethics reform legislation. While pushing to develop more energy resources, she increased taxes on oil production, saying the companies had bribed legislators to keep taxes low. That will enable her to deliver a rebate of $1,200 to each state resident.
                                    In contrast, Obama has virtually no accomplishments beyond getting himself elected. While he often talks about his work as a community organizer, he never achieved his one goal—eliminating asbestos from a single housing project in Chicago.
                                    In both the Illinois Senate and the U.S. Senate, Obama developed a reputation for voting "present," thus avoiding controversial decisions that could be used against him later. In the U.S. Senate, he has missed more than one in five votes. Only one of the measures Obama has sponsored as a U.S. senator was enacted: a bill to "promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo."
                                    Contrary to Obama's portrayal of himself as a unifier, on every bipartisan effort in the Senate to forge compromises on tough issues, Obama has been missing in action.
                                    When it comes to change, Palin has done it; Obama has mainly changed his mind.
                                    In the end, people make their decisions on whom to vote for based in large part on character. They want to know if the candidate is the genuine article. In choosing Palin, McCain demonstrated that he is.
                                    The real Barack Obama is not the moderate we heard in Denver. The real Obama is illuminated by his own record.

                                    They are 100% correct THIS IS NOT NO HILARY ,,, she has class , intelligence , integrity , and SHE IS CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN ((( as supported by her record not by empty words )))

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#16 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:22 AM EDT
                                    Frankie-473204

                                    Amen~

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #16.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:50 AM EDT
                                    M Harris-390682

                                    Thanks Frankie,
                                    Know what I like most that is not being talked about :: immediately after becoming governor - she appointed an oversight committee to follow election promises .
                                    Then report to the voter district about how the elected official actually voted after he had become elected .. If you said one thing in your campaign speech – but voted the opposite way after elected , she exposed them to the voters .. So – many politicians campaign one way , and once elected go back to the status quo . . Just like Obama will do if elected . .
                                    She exposed the politicians who lie and say what ever they need to, to get elected . That's ethics worth believing also . . I hope she will do something similar to congress and the senate . Hold a man accountable for his campaign promise , or at least force him to explain his change of mind / vote .. She didn't do it during their next election campaign , she did it when it occurred , and allow the voters to remind him about who he worked for . .I haven't heard anything about her I don't like , Including the fact , she ain't no hillary ..

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #16.2 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
                                    Reply
                                    MomaJ

                                    How come the double standard..... Palin is a mother, therefore should stay home with her kids.
                                    Biden was a single father..... but he can leave his motherless children and keep working in the Senate.
                                    Seems to me that the double standard would turn off any Woman.
                                    It doesn't matter what Palin's choice is for Abortion. If you believe a woman's choice is to abort, then do it.
                                    Women should get behind her and show everyone that a woman can do the same job as a man and should get equal pay for it.
                                    The one thing you hear the Women Dems. say, we need to be paid the same as a man for a job well done. I am sure Palin believes this too. Even if she did cut her own pay, sell the jet and go after corruption. The men were not doing it.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#17 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:46 AM EDT
                                    niafabo

                                    Biden was a single father..... but he can leave his motherless children and keep working in the Senate.

                                    First off he took a two hour train ride everyday to be home for his kids. All you have to do is see him standing next to his boys to see how outrageously close and down to earth they all are. He also married a beautiful woman five years after their mother died. A resonable amount of time to grieve for the mother of your children and a lost children if you ask me or pretty much everyone for that matter.

                                    It doesn't matter what Palin's choice is for Abortion. If you believe a woman's choice is to abort, then do it.

                                    I think there were enough horror stories to warrant anyone who doesn't necessarly ever think about considering an abortion should be very concerned about having it criminalized again.

                                    Women should get behind her and show everyone that a woman can do the same job as a man and should get equal pay for it.

                                    Now if only Palin supported equal pay for women...

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #17.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
                                    Reply
                                    niafabo

                                    Asked whether everything that came up as a possible red flag during the review already has been made public, he said: "I think so. Yah, I think so. Correct."

                                    That quote is what concerns me since it tells me they did very little research or that they're hiding something.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#18 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 10:56 AM EDT
                                    TheMichaelDeleted
                                    Dawn Allison

                                    I could care less about a 22 yr old DUI-I just know Palin has no experience, and she was not McCain's firtst choice-he wanted Lieberam. But oh, no. The religous right does not care about winning. They dont care about the economy. They dotn care about the fact that they knew liberals would have a filed day about an umarried teen mom as Palin's daughter. They will risk losing to a radical left wing socialist (Obama) just so they can say they voted for someone who is "anti abortion." The repubs deserve what they get for pandering to zealots to get elected. I want Reagan type repubs. I want the repulicans I was loyal to back in the 90s up intil around 2005. I saw this train wreck coming when politicans (who are by nature, sexually immoral and corrupt, both right and left), preaching to the voters about "morality." I knew once that we, as republicans, started teaming with Evangelicals, the party would implode. REpubs should talk about law and policey. If they are worried about "morals" they should do something about revamping social services and parental rights laws. They should talk about fences to keep out illegals who are driving up our birthrate. They need to get tough, like back in teh 90s. Today, as long as a repub "says" he or she is pro life (and Palin is-she did not whisk her kid away for a private abortion-she is risking her career over her pregnant teen daughter), regardless of experience and personal life, he or she is almost considered sainlty by evenagelicals. SOrry, character does count. Until repubs stop pandering striclty to the anti abortion crowd and stop spending like wild animals, they will not have my vote again. When liberals get kooky, I expect it. When conservatives marry the religous right, I get sick and vote third party. I am a Christian, but I make mistakes. I believe politics and religion should never mix and God is probably sick that His name is being used to help get phony slimy politicians elected.

                                      Reply#20 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 11:02 AM EDT
                                      WOW!

                                      If people would get out of her personal life, and let the process begin, this could be a fun time. Many new voters are really getting and education into the process of the Presidential election. I think she brings a WHOLE new look to the "Good-Ole-Boy" process. You Go Woman!

                                        Reply#21 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 11:02 AM EDT
                                        WOW!

                                        If people would get out of her personal life, and let the process begin, this could be a fun time. Many new voters are really getting and education into the process of the Presidential election. I think she brings a WHOLE new look to the "Good-Ole-Boy" process. You Go Woman!

                                          Reply#22 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
                                          Chandler Hill

                                          What group excels more at getting into the personal lives of other people than Republicans? They just don't care for the magnifying glass to be turned on them.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #22.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:17 PM EDT
                                          Reply
                                          Dawn Allison

                                          Maybe we could all admit it-we are all screw ups today. The voters, me, you, and the politicians we keep electing. Our teenagers are allowed to run wild, we cannot discipline our kids without fear of socilal services interevening, we allow our brats to grow up too fast, so really, it is no surprise that Palin's daughter is any different. Maybe we are all too obsessed with our careers, both men and women (not just female Palin). Maybe we should stop worrying about the personal lives of all candidates, and maybe the media are a bunch of sleaze mongers who report crap to get ratings. Lets focus on policy issues. Lets pick a repub VP who appeals to moderates and libertarinans-not just someone who is anti abortion. If repubs dont change, we are all going toward extreme tax funded socialist at the hands of leftist Obamma and his gang of socialist democrats (along with their interest groups like PLanned Parenthood and the ACLU). Face it, most AMericans allowed the bull@!$%# of the 60s to become law and many folks were too afraid to stand up against it, for fear of being "policitally incorrect" and "uncool." Well, the result has been a disaster. Dont preach about morals-preach about law and personal responsbilyt. If the repubs would not have pandered to the religous right about morals and abortion, nobody would have said a word about another dumb girl getting knocked up. But, Palin gets the VP spot because she is "anti abortion" and anti gay. Go figure. Fact is, if politicians preach about folks' sex lives, the public will revolt when we hear their sex lives are filled with sleaze. Get back to republican/libertarian gov. principles and leave poor Jesus out of the whole sickening equation. Too many neocons are using God's name to get votes from thse truly devout. face it-repubs wil never wipe out abortion. If they did, the voters would revolt and for the next 20 yrs only liberals would be on the Supreme COurt. Folks are tired of welfare and crime, and most dont want the abortion option for high risk women and teens taken away.

                                            Reply#23 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 11:39 AM EDT
                                            BB-375952

                                            she is anti-abortion, Pro-contraception, and against gay marriages, not GAY'S

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #23.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:07 PM EDT
                                            Chandler Hill

                                            Dawn, You are absolutely right about the disastrous effect that the religious right has had on the Republican party and the conservative agenda. But it is the GOP who have buckled to the politically correct dictates of the fundamentalists...and that is a shame because it will spell the end of any credibility that the Republican party has. Those hypocrites were the wrong group to let hijack the agenda.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #23.2 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:27 PM EDT
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                                            Sheila in Bowie, MD

                                            M-Harris, you are wrong about Palin's accomplishments. I hope you are doing your homework and not listening to McCain Camp and some media. Do your research. The problem with Palin is that people are telling us what they think we need to hear. Her 90% approval rating is more like 67% is which steady in decline due to flip/flopping on major issues and unethical practices.

                                            Most politicians flip/flop so I won't hold that against her, rather I'm more concerned about the unethical issues. Can you imagine having a new Administration in the White House that does as they choose and says "So" as Cheney recently did. I want a government that really cares about fixing the problems we have in this country. Certainly not one that mimmicks a Bush/Cheney Admin.

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                                            Reply#24 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 11:45 AM EDT
                                            M Harris-390682

                                            thanks Sheila ,
                                            I want government reform in BOTH parties .
                                            I want the insiders pocketing my money stopped and apply my tax dollars to work for useful programs .. I know there will always be corruption , but - I want morre diligence in stopping it .I think she brings that with her . . I vote mcCain for President Now - and - Palin for president in the future , if she remains the way she is now .
                                            The biggest point i was trying to make is - everyone trys to make her a Hilary replacemnet ... Well she ain't no hilary for sure . .
                                            In fact - If hilary could win the white house - - It would b a LONG time before anyone would trust a woman in politics again . . I think , she can do MORE for the advancement of women in politics than hilary ever can . . .

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                                            #24.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
                                            M Harris-390682

                                            Forgotten response : 67% approval rating !!! pretty impressive .Anyone checked on Biden, McCain , Obama approval rating ?? Doesn't matter , so far she has my 100% approval rating .. she didn't boast her approval rating anyway - it was the Manipulating media ...

                                              #24.2 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:58 PM EDT
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                                              Harmony-470365

                                              Mrs. Palin was open about her past. Tell me the Clintons were! How much hiding there is in the political arena. I don't see the Palin family hiding anything. It was Palin herself who offered the information about her daughter's pregnancy and her husband's DUI.

                                              No matter who McCain chose as a running mate, the opposition would have sent out the nit picking detectives to find something to condemn. If the Clinton's were not tossed out of the White House for their shady personal lifestyle I think it ill becomes anyone to judge this woman and her family.

                                              Do I think having an unmarried, pregnant 17 year old daughter is a good thing? No. We raise our children the best we can. Our children do what our children do because we have to cease holding their hands at every moment if we want them to grow up and be responsible. I admire the couple for choosing to accept the consequences of their daughter's mistake and going ahead as as a family, meeting the daily demands of those consequences.

                                              The liberal response would be to "get rid of the bastard" so that the girl could be free of the consequences and responsibility of her life choices. Slap on the band-aid and cover the infection! The consequences of abortion are far more devastating than we can imagine. But thousands deny those consequences and suffer a plethora of psychological conditions as a result.

                                              Is Mrs. Palin's first responsibility to her family? Is President Bush's first responsibility to his family? Is your first responsibility to your family? Is there never a call for a family to embrace a difficult decision together for the good of their country? Isn't that the decision each family makes when a family member is deployed to serve in a military operation? Some people set family aside for personal addictions, others for personal gain, others for sports, some to serve their country. People who do so for less than respectable reasons don't consult family before the decision. Those who do so for respectable reasons have the integrity to make it a family decision. I think two responsible teenage girls in a household can be a great help to a mom who is giving her life to serve her country. Are these teen daughters responsible? I don't know. But I do know that one of them is taking the responsibility for her mistake in an ethical manner. That says something. Doesn't it?

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                                              Reply#25 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 11:49 AM EDT
                                              BB-375952

                                              Yes, it says a lot about her being a very responsible person, a devoted Wife and mother and she loves her Country.

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                                              #25.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:10 PM EDT
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                                              Chandler Hill

                                              Republican family values just get better and better. Pregnant underage daughters. Lesbian children. Husbands soliciting sex in airport toilets. Ministers frequenting hookers. You are not doing a very good job of instituting your bogus morality at home. Stop inflicting it on the rest of us.

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                                              Reply#26 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:01 PM EDT
                                              BB-375952

                                              The morals of the Democratic Family, TK in 1973, I can go further back than that, and I can come up with a lot of gossip and truth in the Democratic Family. Can't even compare a young 17 year old that got pregnant to.

                                              If you want me to I will be glad to make a list of them. Let's not forget the Rumor about Hillary Clinton....and you know who. VF OK! Then there Billy Boy and Johnny boy and even a lot worse than that. I could go on. But there isn't any use.

                                              My mother always told me to sweep off your own porch steps before you start sweeping off others.

                                                #26.1 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
                                                Chandler Hill

                                                Your mother would have been more helpful in suggesting that you read a few books rather than fill you with platitudes. You might have developed the capacity for critical thinking which would have allowed you to recognize the transparent subterfuge and sloppy misdirection of your response. So many lazy thinkers with so little to say!

                                                  #26.2 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:31 PM EDT
                                                  BB-375952

                                                  I have read the books Chandler Hill. Where did you think that I got my information from. What do you think that you were doing when you talked about cheney's daughter, it is alright to say things about a Republican, but we had better leave the Democrats along. Is that how the game is played?

                                                  So I suggest to you to keep your front porch steps clean.

                                                    #26.3 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:38 PM EDT
                                                    Chandler Hill

                                                    It is absolutely fair game to go after those whose want to force their morality onto others, but can't seem to get it right themselves. Forget about the front porch you seem obsessed with and think about the glass house. The bottom line is when you tell me how I should live my life don't be surprised when I'm right there pointing a finger when you can't make it happen. Simple solution is stay out of my life with your morality.

                                                      #26.4 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
                                                      MomaJ

                                                      Yes, let's just bring it all on.
                                                      J. F. Kennedy and his Marilyn Monrow connections
                                                      Obama, smoking crack, while riding with his friend Larry Sinclair. Getting his.....
                                                      Edward Kennedy, driving a car into a river, drowning his pregnant girlfriend and then forgetting that she was with him.
                                                      Edwards, "That ain't my baby"..... we will see. Leaving his wife who was in remission from cancer... last time I looked remission was a good thing for her.... She stayed home while he took his girlfriend to a big Democrat thing.
                                                      Clinton, taught Monica how to crawl around under his desk.
                                                      Hey, both sides need cleaned up. But don't just put down the Republican's, put the mistakes of both sides.

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                                                      #26.5 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
                                                      Chandler Hill

                                                      Which one is the family values party?

                                                        #26.6 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:58 PM EDT
                                                        M Harris-390682

                                                        amen

                                                        all those you mentioned , were full grown when they made their choices .. . not 17 Yr. old .

                                                          #26.7 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 1:03 PM EDT
                                                          M Harris-390682

                                                          amen

                                                          all those you mentioned , were full grown when they made their choices .. . not 17 Yr. old .

                                                            #26.8 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
                                                            Chandler Hill

                                                            No one is criticizing the kid. They are taking issue with the mother who raised the kid. The one who is making a big deal out of her wonderful family because she has no political track record to brag about.

                                                              #26.9 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 1:19 PM EDT
                                                              M Harris-390682

                                                              well - if this is the best they can do - she is closer to pefect than i have seen in a long time ..

                                                                #26.10 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
                                                                M Harris-390682

                                                                I personally like her track record ..
                                                                In picking a diaper-changing, gun-toting former beauty queen, McCain, on the other hand, made a decision consistent with his own track record. While Palin lacks experience, she has a string of real accomplishments to show for herself. As a mayor, she cut property taxes 40 percent and reduced her own salary. She came across as forceful, a trait that attracted the leaders of Alaska's Republican Party. They arranged for her to be appointed to the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in 2003. Just after joining the commission, Palin led an ethics probe of the commission's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, who was also the state GOP chairman. Facing conflict-of interest-allegations, Ruedrich admitted ethics violations and resigned. As governor, she opposed a federal earmark for the $400 million so-called bridge to nowhere. She used her veto power to cut nearly $2 billion from the state budget. She was successful in enacting ethics reform legislation. While pushing to develop more energy resources, she increased taxes on oil production, saying the companies had bribed legislators to keep taxes low. That will enable her to deliver a rebate of $1,200 to each state resident. In contrast, Obama has virtually no accomplishments beyond getting himself elected. While he often talks about his work as a community organizer, he never achieved his one goal—eliminating asbestos from a single housing project in Chicago. In both the Illinois Senate and the U.S. Senate, Obama developed a reputation for voting "present," thus avoiding controversial decisions that could be used against him later. In the U.S. Senate, he has missed more than one in five votes. Only one of the measures Obama has sponsored as a U.S. senator was enacted: a bill to "promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo." Contrary to Obama's portrayal of himself as a unifier, on every bipartisan effort in the Senate to forge compromises on tough issues, Obama has been missing in action. When it comes to change, Palin has done it; Obama has mainly changed his mind. In the end, people make their decisions on whom to vote for based in large part on character. They want to know if the candidate is the genuine article. In choosing Palin, McCain demonstrated that he is. The real Barack Obama is not the moderate we heard in Denver. The real Obama is illuminated by his own record.

                                                                  #26.11 - Tue Sep 2, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
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