Obama's woes have nothing to do with 'lipstick'

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TON - No, Barack Obama was not making fun of Sarah Palin when he talked about some Republican putting “lipstick on a pig.”

He was trying to be colloquial, and John McCain’s campaign knew as much – even as it was going theatrically ballistic.

That’s not to say that Obama hasn’t made mistakes. In fact, he’s made – and is making – a lot.

For two years, Obama played the golf course of presidential politics with the ice-cold self-assuredness of a Tiger Woods. But since securing the Democratic nomination, he’s made a series of strategic errors that could jeopardize his chances in November.

After traveling with him on the trail, watching him in Denver and talking to Democratic operatives and insiders, here’s my list of his errant shots:

Declining to take federal financing for the general election
This mistake is two-pronged. Obama stands accused of flip-flopping on the matter, saying in 2007 that he’d accept those funds and the cash limits that come along with it. In relying solely on private money, Obama appears to have ceded some higher ground to McCain, who, with his public funding, appears slightly more immune to interest groups. On a more practical level, Obama will have to leave the campaign trail more often to headline fundraising events. He’ll likely spend more time than he should in New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles and less than he needs in Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Detroit.

Declining McCain’s offer to hold ten town hall debates
When Obama was leading the race in leaps and bounds, he blew off this GOP proposal. Too bad. Had Obama locked in that deal, he would now be able to confront McCain face-to-face about some of the Republicans’ more aggressive – if not to say cynically manipulative – recent television advertising claims. An Obama-McCain series would also have drawn attention away from Gov. Palin, the autumn cover girl.

Failing to go all the way with the Clintons
Yes, I know, Bill and Hillary got prime speaking roles in Denver. And yes, I know, the Clintons are difficult to deal with and probably hope Obama fails. Still, it’s Obama’s task to latch on to them, even against their will. But he was too proud. Although he’s going to see the former president this week, Obama should have broken bread with Bill months ago. Obama needs the Clintons to defend and work for him. They are not eager to do so, but it was still Obama’s task to trap them into displays of political enthusiasm. It’s just my guess, but I think Mr. Clinton would have been open to the wooing – if for no other reason than to recapture his reputation as an avatar of the civil rights cause. Obama also neglected to court Clinton fundraisers and supporters in places like Los Angeles. All they want from Obama is a phone call. They would swoon.

The 22-state strategy
For months, the Obama campaign invested advertising time and organizing money in an impressive array of red states that haven’t been on the Democrats’ radar in recent elections. This made for great press clippings. But, for the most part, it was a waste of assets. Except for perhaps Virginia, most out-of-the-way states do not seem likely to end up in Obama’s fold. He’d be more successful focusing on traditional battlegrounds.

Failing to state a sweeping, but concrete, policy idea
It is not enough to be for change – everybody is, or is trying to be. To make it stick, Obama needed, and needs, to put forth an easy-to-grasp grand proposal, one that would encapsulate what his central message. That tagline? That he is dedicated, body and soul, to advancing the economic interests of hard-working, average Americans. He has the makings of such a proposal – his tax cuts for low and middle-income families. But he has yet to package that, or anything else, in an easy-to-grasp, hard-number plan for voters. Instead, he’s got more of a laundry list than an actual rallying cry.

Remaining trapped in professor-observer speak
When you listen to Obama, it sometimes feels like you’re hearing a smart but distant analysis of the political scene. He sounds like a writer or teacher, but not the leader of a political crusade. Obama has been far too “meta” – a detached commentator on his own situation and his own country. Voters want an action plan, not an exegesis.

Failing to attack McCain early
Obama was wary of attacking a man who had suffered so much during the Vietnam War – an understandable emotion. But that wariness, combined with Obama’s natural inclination to be seen as the nice guy (one who lets others do the knifing) lead to an unfortunate result. It gave two free months for McCain to build up a head of steam as a war hero, as opposed to what Obama needed to paint him as publically: a man beholden to corporate interests and a likely clone of George W. Bush. 

Does all of this mean that Obama is somehow doomed? Of course not. He is a quick study and a fast learner, and the team of McCain and Palin is capable of making their own set of mistakes.

But if I were an Obama partisan I would be worried that his mistakes have a common thread - pride.

Obama seems to want to do things on his own, and on his own terms. It’s understandable. Obama has his own crowd – from Chicago, from Harvard, and from a new cadre of wealthy, Ivy-educated movers and shakers.

“He’s an arrogant S.O.B.,” one of the latter told me today. “He wants to do it his way, and his way alone.” But politics doesn’t work that way. And has Obama should know, or is about to find out, that everyone needs a little help.

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{"commentId":2865560,"authorDomain":"jashmore-1944"}

If you think an intelligent, well education person believe any of your reports, much less values them, you need some "lipstick on your piggie". Palin is a fake, we will find out soon. Have a blessed day

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  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
{"commentId":2865696,"authorDomain":"e-Libratine"}

Palin is NOTHING but lipstick on a red herring!

....I am John McCain and I approve these lies.

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  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
{"commentId":2866474,"authorDomain":"repaite"}

Now let me understand this... I must be missing something ! Palin considered herself a "Pit bull" and Obama called his wife a "Pig"? I though his family was off-limits for any mud slinging ? Aren't they only allowed to sling mud at Palin and her family ?

And was it lipstick on a pitbull
or lipstick on a pig
or lipstick on a monkey ?

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  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:02 PM EDT
{"commentId":2866512,"authorDomain":"trueblueamerican"}

Why, oh why, are we still talking 'lipstick'? Don't you know this plays right into McCain's hands?

Move on!

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  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
{"commentId":2866629,"authorDomain":"e-Libratine"}

McCain and Palin are a virtual roadmap of  LIES, DECEIT, ABUSE of POWER and TREACHERY. To run on a transparent "change" platform is the biggest farce in American History!!!! Simply put, McCain and Palin represent big GOP "business as usual" except now, they are to be endorsed by GOD. McCain's team is filled with corporate lobbyists, Palin's regurgitated speech was scripted by Bush's former speechwriter Matthew Scully and it is on the record that Karl Rove offers up advice. That's not change! The daily vetting drip, drip, drip from Alaska is coming in louder and louder and coincidentally,  Palin STILL can't take a 3am call from the media! McCain's ONLY response? Distortions and swift-boating set intentionally loose like red herrings while the needs of the American public remain addressed with complete silence. I don't profess to have a crystal ball about the elections, but in my book, McCain will always be loser. I see no honor in anything thing he says or does only vicious, ugly, insular opportunistic greed. Tell me, which kitchen does McCain sit at the table (sexist remark coming: while Cindy does the dishes) and they talk about YOU?

McBush: 4 more years of the SAME See the Real John McCain http://therealmccain.com/videos.php and see the real campaign at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/politics/ (The Huff posts it and in 24-48 hours MSM runs with it - it's great!)

Obama/Biden: Change We Can CERTAINLY Believe In

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  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
{"commentId":2868098,"authorDomain":"if-1"}

You poor bitter people! You can spew vitriol like no other because you are angry and bitter but you have no guns or religion to cling to so you have to cling to making inane remarks about two perfectly qualified people on this blog. I hope you like Canada or Cuba because McCain is going nothing but up in the polls and american women love Palin--she's up 12 points in that demographic today. The battleground states aren't looking too blue anymore either--several are already red and the rest are purple. Ouch!

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  • 5 votes
#1.5 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:14 PM EDT
{"commentId":2868697,"authorDomain":"rizaloren"}

I used to wonder how Hitler could deceive a whole country into committing genocide. I don't anymore. A country in the economic dumps, a culture war, and a myriad of propaganda. McCain's entire campaign whiffs of NAZISM.

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  • 5 votes
#1.6 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:47 PM EDT
{"commentId":2868801,"authorDomain":"e-Libratine"}

"I am John McCain and I approve these lies."

Factcheck.org
SEPTEMBER 10, 2008

McCain-Palin Distorts Our Finding..

…With its latest ad, released Sept. 10, the McCain-Palin campaign has altered our message in a fashion we consider less than honest. The ad strives to convey the message that FactCheck.org said "completely false" attacks on Gov. Sarah Palin had come from Sen. Barack Obama. We said no such thing. We have yet to dispute any claim from the Obama campaign about Palin...

Factcheck.org http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/mccain-palin_distorts_our_finding.html also on
Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/10/factcheckorg-to-mccain-ca_n_125495.html

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  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:53 PM EDT
{"commentId":2870518,"authorDomain":"sha-1"}

McCain? Thanks, but no thanks.

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    #1.8 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:13 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2871124,"authorDomain":"gerry-clough"}
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    {"commentId":2871632,"authorDomain":"angelesceb"}

    marie,

    Where are you getting your facts -FOX? Pleeeese, this year and the issues at stake a republican ticket would not win an election even if it read Jesus/Maria Magdalene. Never mind McCain/ Palin. As for all American women love Palin statement - please speak for your self and do not generalize.

    I am a woman and I will never vote for someone based on gender, color or religion. I need to see a resume and prove of record. The appointment of Sara Palin only shows the republican party's contempt tours women - that think that us idiotic and irrational individuals will only vote for her because she is a woman. I am a former supporter of Hillary and I can assure you that Sara Palin the politician and her resume did not impressed me.

    OBAMA/BIDEN 2008

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      #1.10 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:35 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2872890,"authorDomain":"wendy027"}

      Unfortunately Obama has no resume. He has not one achievement in his life except winning the democratic nomination. At least if he had been a mayor he may have one decision he can point to that he made.

      I don't see how the country can vote for a man with no resume and stated that there are 57 states. It's just to bizzare.

      {"commentId":2872890,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"wendy027"}
      • 1 vote
      #1.11 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
      {"commentId":2875007,"authorDomain":"eldon1955"}

      Dear grammie, as a LIFE LONG Republican, I want you to have a good day,,,,,,,,of course you can't,,,,,,,, but I do incourge any and all lies, hate, and {posably some fake documents? } that would be great,,,,,, please keep up the good work, and get McCain and Palin elected so this country won't be turned into the USSA. Please MORE, MORE, MORE! ! ! ! THANK YOU.

      {"commentId":2875007,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"eldon1955"}
        #1.12 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:40 AM EDT
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        {"commentId":2865716,"authorDomain":"sely10"}

        I'm putting myself in Obama's shoes now, and I think it would be stupid to give out my 'Action Plan' so they can take it apart before I'm even in the White House. The point is that most people do need an 'exegesis' to the behind the sceens of politics (which is being used against us). The media still doesn't get it either. I prefer the truth and facts and that's what I demand from my President! The media should take heed also.

        {"commentId":2865716,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"sely10"}
        • 2 votes
        Reply#2 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2868243,"authorDomain":"if-1"}

        So you will vote for him without any plan? Change is not a foreign policy. Change is not a domestic policy. Change which promises billions to special interest groups will cost them and the rest of us right out of our pockets. Obama's change (if elected/not likely now) will probably be (according to leading analysts in economics) the tipping point into Depression for the US and probably world wide.

        Give us a plan or don't expect us to believe in your change even if you call it "a change you can believe in!" We don't!

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        • 6 votes
        #2.1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:22 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2868797,"authorDomain":"mneff50"}

        I Do!!

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        • 1 vote
        #2.2 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:53 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2868843,"authorDomain":"sarahcchen"}

        Marie: in fact, I think the only change count after the election is over is the policy. After all, we may not see them in person again once they step into the office. Only the policy will effect our life. Just like Bush did twice. We liked him, we loved him, but the policy that he carries out leaving us struggling today. No doubt, anyone who steps into office will face quite difficulites since Bush left us a huge difficit. That's why we have to stop the war in Iraq. Even we stop all corruption in Washiongton, if the war continues, there will be no money spending in US. In addition to that, the eduction will be far behind the world if we don't fix it now. US is behind on this already although US has the best schools but you see more and more international students taking the higher score. Don't take from me, check it out yourself. Compare the plans line by line and see which one works for you.

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          #2.3 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:55 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2871149,"authorDomain":"gerry-clough"}
          chollaDeleted
          {"commentId":2871655,"authorDomain":"mneff50"}

          cholla, I'm sure we're all waiting with great enthusiasm for your words of wisdom.

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          • 1 vote
          #2.5 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:37 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2871888,"authorDomain":"jfellini"}

          Sarah, what policies of Bush's that he proposed do you think has hurt our economy? I figure you will mention the war but at the same time that increases prodiction costs and increases jobs in the US I know we do spend a lot there but that is not the reason for hurt in our economy. The rest of the world is performing at the same rate and most countries have a higher unemployment rate. The housing crisis has nothing to do with Bush but with Americans over spending, gas prices would not be as high if Clinton did not ban drilling and we would be getting oil from certain spots right now in the US. Please give me some bills that Bush has passed into legislation so that I can understand your point better. I do not think our economy is hurting from 1 person if you look into history economies always fluctuate.

          {"commentId":2871888,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"jfellini"}
          • 2 votes
          #2.6 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:55 PM EDT
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          {"commentId":2865777,"authorDomain":"daveramos"}

          I'm not sure Obama's slide in the polls have anything to do with his "misteps".
          More plausibly, I just think that most thinking Americans can't be duped into thinking that Obama's is going to have massive giveaways for just about every class. Even those who aren't math majors can understand that all of these giveaways simply must be funded through higher taxes for everyone. And of course, now that it's sunk into people that his resume simply amounts to being a "community organizer", they see that it's merely a "clean and articulate" liberal with no real new ideas...merely just fancy prose.
          Couple that with a VP candidate on the other side who has a history of reform (though brief) and I think people can see the real contrast between Obama and Palin.
          He's fading in the polls....it's only a matter of time before Katie Couric cries "racism" because people chose not to elect Obama !

          {"commentId":2865777,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"daveramos"}
          • 8 votes
          Reply#3 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:36 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2869409,"authorDomain":"sleepingiant57"}

          You better think again. It is none of the above. Check this out: Obama, the first B-L-A-C-K presidential nominee of a major political party was doomed from the start. I just can't forget how the woman who ended up getting Oprah to be her slave/ maid after having gone to jail for striking the womans husband in the movie, The Color Purple. It wasn't enough to have been her maid all those years but then the lady offered to let her go visit with her relatives for just one day, Christmas all the while knowing she was not going to let her have that pleasure. So she thought up some asinine way of keeping her from her family and then when she had her way she just smiled! This is what has happened to Obama. At first when he started his grass roots campaign, not all black people were on board, most were in disbelief that a black man could aspire and possibly attain to the office of the presidency. But the white people were flocking to Obama so the black people started to listen up. Well it hasn't taken long before the white people en mass have decided to go with the old white guy and his shiny new white woman side kick instead of Obama. voila! It was something that never was suppose to happen anyway!!!!!!!!!

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          • 1 vote
          #3.1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:42 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2870579,"authorDomain":"dwh49"}

          You are truly strange, Marie.

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          • 2 votes
          #3.2 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:17 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2871981,"authorDomain":"jfellini"}

          Marie your philosophy is so off that I do not know where to begin. Africans Americans are usually dems anyway. I think many people thought Obama would be a good candidate just on hype alone and then when they began to look into this CHANGE and his life they found many faults that would make him not able to be president at this time. He is the most liberal man in the Senate and I do not think people realized just how liberal he is. I think people also started to see that he has special interests groups and is more of an insider than they originally had though he has just as many flaws if not more than the rest of the candidates. He is a great and drawing speaker but when you look up his seat in the Senate he has literally done nothing and to have all of this passion and do nothing in the Senate makes him look like a hypocrite.

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          • 2 votes
          #3.3 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:02 PM EDT
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          {"commentId":2866023,"authorDomain":"carolync-1"}

          Obama, are you listening to Fineman? You should be - he's got some great observations. Come on, step it up! If Obama does not win, I am seriously thinking of moving to Canada...I truly cannot stomach ANY more years of the same policies as we've had the last 8, and Palin is downright frightening. A heartbeat away? OMG, people, THINK!!! This campaign IS about the issues, not about personalities...at least it should be. If not, American citizens are dumbing-down. The U.S. is on the verge of making significant change in the right direction, but only if Obama wins. C'mon!!!

          {"commentId":2866023,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"carolync-1"}
          • 5 votes
          Reply#4 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:45 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2866477,"authorDomain":"win270"}

          Why wait move Now!! Obama/ MCcain are one in the same . I think you would be better off moving to Cuba there more like what your looking for.

          DURKA DURKA

          {"commentId":2866477,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"win270"}
            #4.1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:02 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2867053,"authorDomain":"katzleo"}

            carolyn-452703 - Need any help packing? You're right; it is about issues. Remember to turn off the lights when you leave. bob-413984 suggestion about Cuba was pretty good, much nicer weather and you can be part of a nation that may eventually have a hope of the most minimal individual rights. As long as you agree with the government (government agrees with you) you will love it there. If not I'm sure they will welcome your dissent.

            {"commentId":2867053,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"katzleo"}
            • 2 votes
            #4.2 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:25 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2867791,"authorDomain":"dwh49"}

            why don't you and bob move, you people like to control everything, and when something or someone doesn't agree you are nasty and rude, just like your candidates, McCain and Palin. ANYONE who would call their wife a cun*, in front of other people should not be president. If my husband had ever called me that, he would have awaken without his most precious 2 possessions. I feel so sorry for Cindy, having to live with such a creep. Maybe she should divorce John, then he could marry Sarah, and they could live happily ever after, in Alaska away from normal people.

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            • 2 votes
            #4.3 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:59 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2867922,"authorDomain":"blu3gravity"}

            I agree. Go now. I thought the article was interesting. Most have made the same observation - that it is all about Barak Obama - his grandstanding in Europe, at the Denver convention (a temple with pillars - you have got to be kidding) Getting to the point - Obama is self-centered and arrogant. Not character traits that I admire. Also, if he is going to talk about issues - do you know that Obama now has the third version of his tax plan. It includes not raising taxes on the so called wealthy as doing that in a recession would cause more economic problems. A lot of the individuals that Obama would tax are small business owners who would then lay off workers - also if taxes are increased to businesses the costs just get passed down to the consumers. That's why if you notice - he has changed from talking about taxes to education. (if you want more information on the Obama 3.0 Tax Plan - see the September 9, 2008 article in The Wall Street Journal titled, "Obama Tax 3.0.)

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            • 3 votes
            #4.4 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:06 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2867967,"authorDomain":"rstone7-1"}

            "Obama and his running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, see America as a nation in which government plays a primary role in individual lives.
            John McCain and Sarah Palin see the individual as primary and government as a protector
            of freedom that can help the less fortunate become self-sustaining."

            Obama/Biden are doomed to fail because they are not discussing issues. They are more concerned with their own egos.

            {"commentId":2867967,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"rstone7-1"}
              #4.5 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:08 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2869867,"authorDomain":"sleepingiant57"}

              Sorry you bought that ocean front property in Arizona from McCain. I hear his political speak all over again when I read your comment. You must be rich or you are one of those who believe McCain when he said he wants to make you rich. (LOL) In any event, I can see that the last 8 years has been kind to you enough so that you want at least 4 more. When the price of gas reaches $7, $8 or $10 a gallon and this country is enbroiled in a third war and we are having massive oil tanker spillage. not to mention more global warming. I do hope you have invented the first hydrogen powered car or not have any children you will have to send into battle, or you can't take a decent vacation to a beach resort because the beach is an eyesore and is closed, and lastly I hope you can afford to cool or heat your home in summer/winter but maybe it won't even matter by then because you will have voted for McCain and you and him wanted "country first and real change and you got it!!!!!!!!!!

              {"commentId":2869867,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"sleepingiant57"}
                #4.6 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2870513,"authorDomain":"betty-s13"}

                bob-413984Why wait move Now!! Obama/ MCcain are one in the same . I think you would be better off moving to Cuba there more like what your looking for. __________________
                Dear Bob: are you part of the dumbing down of America????? Your and you're are two SEPARATE words/comcepts. You should have used you're which is a contraction for you are. So republican of you to make this mistake LOL

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                • 1 vote
                #4.7 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:12 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2872152,"authorDomain":"jfellini"}

                integrity first who really cares in here if someone uses your instead of you're if you are in here to debate or make comments these ones are always annoying. Republicans are wealthier and more educated than democrats. If Clinton did not put drilling bans on everywhere we would not have the gas prices that we do now. Marie I think you should do some research on global warming and cooling. Neither President will change much considering that other countries are lacking in participation to reduce their emissions. People who vote republican do not have to be rich but understand tax code more so than dems the difference in tax people pay is ridiculous it ranges from 0-40% with the top tax payers supporting 80% of the US.

                {"commentId":2872152,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"jfellini"}
                  #4.8 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:13 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":2883184,"authorDomain":"judylwalter"}

                  If you really were intelligent you would know the facts on who placed the ban on off-shore drilling. It wasn't Bill Clinton, it was George H.W. Bush. I read the posts of many of the McCain supporters and am amazed at how little knowledge they have when it comes to facts. They accuse Obama supporters of drinking the Kool-Aid, yet they are the first ones to believe anything someone from their side throws out, without even doing their homework first. That's what you call "more educated"? Sounds more like what a dunce would do.

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                    #4.9 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:52 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":2890688,"authorDomain":"jfellini"}

                    It was actually not George H.W. Bush, in 1982 the senate and house voted to place this ban. G.W. Bush was VP then. The dems in the senate are fighting to not lift it and it could be lifted in Oct. I guess we will have to see when they get back from their summer vaca. The House in 2006 voted to end the ban but the Senate did not.

                    {"commentId":2890688,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"jfellini"}
                      #4.10 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:48 PM EDT
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                      {"commentId":2866053,"authorDomain":"wurtin"}

                      One of the points of Obama's campaign is to do it differently. Maybe he can, maybe he can't, but he is trying to run a relatively clean race. IF he wins, it could potentially change how races are run across the country where mudslinging may get toned down a bit.

                      McCain on the other hand should be ashamed of his race he has run. He himself was the victim of horrid lies from Bush in 2000 and yet here he is using the same type (admittedly not as nasty) of tactics to win an election. It's coming to the point where he will say or do anything to win. This has completely turned me off from McCain who I voted for in the Primaries as a registered Republican.

                      {"commentId":2866053,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"wurtin"}
                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#5 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2866329,"authorDomain":"Jason144"}

                      McCain is floating in his own sewage and can't be clean in his frenzied effort to keep the power and money on the Republican side.

                      Obama is having a hard time staying on the high road because of the misleading and deceptive lies that McCain is throwing at him.

                      Everyone needs to get out and speak to those who will vote in November. The survival of our American Democracy depends on it.

                      {"commentId":2866329,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"Jason144"}
                      • 3 votes
                      #5.1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:56 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2867814,"authorDomain":"dwh49"}

                      Good point, fisherman. It is amazing, just look around my small town and see all the Obama bumper stickers, and yard signs and I live in a middle class neighborhood in the South.

                      {"commentId":2867814,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"dwh49"}
                      • 1 vote
                      #5.2 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:00 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2878249,"authorDomain":"dbutler-1"}

                      I don't know how it is in your part of the country but the only reason you see only Obama swag out here in the Pacific Northwest is because if you put out anything else, your property will be damaged and you will be abused - verbally and physically.

                      We have a big music event over Labor Day called Bumbershoot and Obama's people got into the King County GOP tent, ripped up everything and then tried to set it on fire. The regular abuse of conservatives out here may keep them quiet but it doesn't stop them from voting.

                      {"commentId":2878249,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"dbutler-1"}
                      • 1 vote
                      #5.3 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:25 AM EDT
                      Reply
                      {"commentId":2866242,"authorDomain":"debmassey"}

                      This is another lame attempt by the media to dissuade voters to their way of thinking. If you recall, this happened earlier this year when Hillary was making headway, not to mention HISTORIC HEADLINES! The media bet her up unmercifully, and the result is, well, Obama was eventually nominated. Unfortunately, many "WalMart Moms" [Candy Crowley-CNN] and Dads will fall for this line of crap. It's intellectual journalism aimed specifically at those types who are currently on the fence and don't know how to think for themselves.

                      {"commentId":2866242,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"debmassey"}
                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#6 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:53 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2869564,"authorDomain":"sleepingiant57"}

                      Well said, I agree whole heartedly. The media use to report the news and they would explain things that need an explanation. Now they entwine their own political biases into their reporting so most people hear what they should think instead using their own reasoning power and coming to their own conclusions. But the American public has had this mind conditioning so long from the media until they cannot even tell when it is their own thought or something planted by the media which is almost entirely conservative. If they aren't, with just a little pressure from the right wing conservatives, they cave!

                      {"commentId":2869564,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"sleepingiant57"}
                        #6.1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:55 PM EDT
                        Reply
                        {"commentId":2866244,"authorDomain":"Jason144"}

                        Obama HASN'T slid in the polls.....the media is selling advertising by making conflict between politicians. Money is the root of all of it. McCain is throwing crap toward the fan to divert the important questions of the day. McCain/Palin are studying the dirty, nasty Rovian politics they think will get them elected. The American people, when all is said and done, will see through the mud thrown by the Republicans and elect the Obama/Biden ticket.

                        Talk about failed policies that McCain wants to support....read this -
                        WASHINGTON - A top Pentagon official conceded Wednesday that coalition forces are not winning the battle against an increasingly deadly insurgency in Afghanistan, adding that the U.S. would revise its strategy for the region to include militant safe havens in neighboring Pakistan.

                        "I'm not convinced we are winning in Afghanistan. I am convinced we can," Navy Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in sobering testimony before the U.S. House of Representatives Armed Services Committee. The testimony came nearly seven years after U.S.-led forces toppled Afghanistan's former Taliban regime following the Sept. 11 attacks.

                        Neither Bush or McCain have a clue how to put our anti-terrorist efforts where they're needed.

                        Cut the crap and start telling the truth McCain, or is that impossible?

                        {"commentId":2866244,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"Jason144"}
                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#7 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:53 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2866304,"authorDomain":"noladarlin"}

                        Obama did not "f" this country up, it was GWBush!! He is the arrogant one, it was his way or the highway!! How many generals did he go through?!!!!!!!!!!!

                        And, with all the movement taking place overseas, ie. Rice going to Libya, Cheney to Georgia giving them billion of dollars and now moving weapons to Entirea, seems like US is positioning itself for a showdown with Iran.

                        Is anybody paying attention? McCain will finish what Bush started!!

                        Obama for Prez

                        {"commentId":2866304,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"noladarlin"}
                          Reply#8 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:55 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":2866357,"authorDomain":"taggco"}

                          The dishonesty and hypocrisy coming from the left, the right, both campaigns, and the media, is nauseating. A vote for either candidate is a vote for the corrupt, self-serving, failed bureaucratic Washington status quo. The real (on-going) tragedy for America ....... is the nationwide epidemic of public apathy that returns all of these same self-serving Washington politicians to their positions of public trust, term after term.
                          Profoundly, sad.

                          {"commentId":2866357,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"taggco"}
                            Reply#9 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:57 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2866433,"authorDomain":"phil-e"}

                            Fineman is just a Liberoid Pig without lipstick. LIE LIE LIE for Obama!

                            {"commentId":2866433,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"phil-e"}
                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#10 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:00 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2866446,"authorDomain":"dnvergrl"}

                            I respect Mr. Fineman and agree with some of what he wrote here. I think Senator Obama must go on the attack and now. he can't afford to wait. As much as Mr. Obama should seek out the Clinton's help, well so should they be more out there helping him. Not doing it for Senator Obama but for their country. I am sick of the McCain campaign's lies and distortions. I can't wait till Sarah Palin has to finally sit down with reporters and actually answer their questions. I hope they ask her the tough questions too. Questions like, when did you actually bow out of supporting the bridge to nowhere? Oh and what happened to the funding for the bridge? Simple questions. It seems to me the media are all afraid of the Republicans. They sure didn't mind shouting questions at then President Clinton, or John Kerry even Al Gore. Most of my anger I have to direct at the American people. I guess they liked how Bush did things and do want more of the same or worse. The really big question, will we even have fair elections this time around???

                            {"commentId":2866446,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"dnvergrl"}
                              Reply#11 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:00 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2867871,"authorDomain":"dwh49"}

                              philly, fineman is an American just as you are, and we still have much of our freedom of speech even though you and your candidates seem to want to curtail it. If you don't like what you are reading, go to some other place that fits what you believe, you don't need to be calling people names for expressing their opinion.

                              Elaine, I agree, I think it's time for Obama to get down and nasty, although that isn't his style, so maybe Joe can do it for him, like the way Sarah is pulling the press away from McCain. The media is so wrapped up in the Sarah frenzy that they are totally ignoring all the stupid stuff that McCain doing now.

                              {"commentId":2867871,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"dwh49"}
                              • 1 vote
                              #11.1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:03 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2867872,"authorDomain":"kab459"}

                              Palin doesn't ever have to sit down with the reporters and answer hard questions. Remember - they said they will follow their own agenda and do what's best for the campaign. As long as she is getting the glamorous magazine cover shots and favorable attention in the media, she will just smile and wave, and speak the pre-approved sound bites.

                              {"commentId":2867872,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"kab459"}
                              • 1 vote
                              #11.2 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:03 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2869631,"authorDomain":"ffreefalling"}

                              Joe cant do it for him... Joe said Today that Hillary was the better Choice. thats funny even Joe Biden thinks that Obama makes Bad choices..

                              {"commentId":2869631,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"ffreefalling"}
                              • 2 votes
                              #11.3 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2872394,"authorDomain":"zcuracao"}

                              What if Biden resigns and Obama ask Hillary to be VP.
                              This would stop Mc Cain/Palin in their tracks.

                              {"commentId":2872394,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"zcuracao"}
                                #11.4 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:29 PM EDT
                                Reply
                                {"commentId":2866485,"authorDomain":"brewster55555"}

                                Obama has always been great with the prepared rah-rah, promise the moon speeches. What we all want to know is just what are the specific plans you have for the economy, social programs, and national security? With that gigantic list of promises you unveiled in Denver, how the hell do you plan on paying for them? Obviously questions that he cannot answer. They are questions that no one can answer. It is Obama's biggest problem, and it will be what prevents him from winning the election. Swing voters and many undecided former Democrats will come to the realization that Obama is just another slick talking politico and not the political messiah Obama tried to make himself out to be.

                                {"commentId":2866485,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"brewster55555"}
                                • 2 votes
                                Reply#12 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:02 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":2867877,"authorDomain":"carolync-1"}

                                McCain has laid out NO plans. At least Obama has some. McCain thinks he's going to win on his and Palin's personalities, not issues. How sad is that?

                                {"commentId":2867877,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"carolync-1"}
                                • 1 vote
                                #12.1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:03 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":2867950,"authorDomain":"dwh49"}

                                It is hard to believe, cityofangels, that if you want to know about Obama so bad why you haven't bothered to find out. It's all there on the internet, all you have to do is go to his website. It hasn't changed since the thing began.

                                {"commentId":2867950,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"dwh49"}
                                • 1 vote
                                #12.2 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:07 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":2868382,"authorDomain":"brewster55555"}

                                Whitebird, You are such a fool. Obama has no specific plans to solve any of the problems that he continues to speak of. You are typical of the lambs that fall for the political rhetoric spewed by politicians. All Obama has done is recite a litany of problems he is going to solve. That isn't a plan. Where are the details? He has none. I don't want to know "about Obama", I want to know , SPECIFICALLY, how he plans on doing all he says, and how he plans on paying for it. You are to caught up in the imagery and political BS.

                                {"commentId":2868382,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"brewster55555"}
                                • 2 votes
                                #12.3 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:29 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":2869308,"authorDomain":"sarahcchen"}

                                cityofangels 1: which part do you want to know about Obama's plan? I am not a democrat. I am try ing to find out the plans from both sides. I think it is common sense if you spend billions of dollars a month in Iraq, there is no money spending in domestic. That causes the major trouble the last 8 years. If there is no money spending domestically such as infrastructure, such as paying higher salary for people, people don't have money to spend. Just like if we are struggling paying college loan, we will not have money to spend on the other stuff. I did business with China and manufactured goods for Macy's and other chain stores, I noticed the business becoming harder and harder. The US dollar value is dropping, Chinese kids are doing better in school than our kids. Even the Internet speed is faster than ours. It is a serious time for US not to getting worse. My prayer is may God guide us to put the differences aside and do the right thing for our children. So we do need look into both sides proposal carefully. After all, they can get us excited, getting emotional, at the end of the day we are the ones who pay our own bills.

                                {"commentId":2869308,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"sarahcchen"}
                                • 1 vote
                                #12.4 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:32 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":2870129,"authorDomain":"dwh49"}

                                Only fools call other people fool, cityofangels. And believe me I am not a lamb. You are too caught up in yourself obviously, to check the truth out. Why don't you tell US what McCain, the old man, has planned for the United States? I would be interested in hearing from someone as intelligent as you. What do McCain and Palin plan to do about the $470,000,000 deficit, about health care, about Iraq, about Iran, about education? Let's hear from cityofangels, he's( or she) going to tell us why McCain is better than Obama. Go.......hello cityofangels, we are waiting. drum roll, please.

                                Good post, sarah. I, too, worry about the children, since I am a teacher.

                                {"commentId":2870129,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"dwh49"}
                                • 1 vote
                                #12.5 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:41 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":2871188,"authorDomain":"gerry-clough"}
                                chollaDeleted
                                {"commentId":2872319,"authorDomain":"jfellini"}

                                Although we do spend money in Iraw hopefull that war will be ending in the next 2 years with victory and an ally. We spend triple that in welfare a year and Obama plans to increase it, along with adding universal healthcare, another stimulus chech, tax cuts for the poor, the only reason why Bill did decent was because he cut welfare and military spending and then increased taxes. What is the working class that he speaks of? Is that middle class or lower class I am not sure when I here that phrase. Obama will not be able to get us out of war that much faster and he will spend more money than other presidents on social bills. If you look at the bills he votes yes to in the Senate they come with a high price tag. If he increases taxes it will only hurt business and will encourage job loss. Economys always fluctuate, in the 70's and 80's we had some issues and we always bounce back, the main problem right now is that Americans are awful with their money and have enormous credit card debt, mortgages, etc. This time the fluctuation is different because people had so much debt to begin with.

                                {"commentId":2872319,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"jfellini"}
                                  #12.7 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:24 PM EDT
                                  Reply
                                  {"commentId":2866510,"authorDomain":"markker26"}

                                  Fineman is a right wing stooge parading as an independent voice.

                                  {"commentId":2866510,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"markker26"}
                                    Reply#13 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":2871242,"authorDomain":"gerry-clough"}
                                    chollaDeleted
                                    Reply
                                    {"commentId":2866514,"authorDomain":"jdavid61"}

                                    Howard, three of your points are issues that are moot. Why go back on and on about financing and the Clintons? That is so worn out. The town hall debate is a red herring. We had 23 debates in the primary and anyone who wanted to know what the candidates thought has plenty of information available to them. If people want to react to code words and surface issues, no amount of town hall meetings would have changed their minds.

                                    The 22 state strategy is an outgrowth from the 50 state strategy that helped the Democrats take back control of the Congress. Obama has done somethings that no other candidate has done before - without the advice and help of the Howard Finemans of this world. I give him the credit if he wins and I'm sure that he will take responsibility if he loses. That's the kind of man he is.

                                    {"commentId":2866514,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"jdavid61"}
                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#14 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":2866517,"authorDomain":"dscott-2"}

                                    I have always been a strong Republican voter but after seeing how the party has conducted this election I will be voting for Obama. In fact, I have donated money to him on-line. I am absolutely ashamed of how low McCain is willing to go to secure this election. I have spent more time researching the candidates than I have on any other election and I cannot believe the lies and distortions coming out of McCain's camp. They have sunk to a new low, and that's saying a lot when you consider the tactics they've used in past elections. I watched the whole "Pig on a lipstick" thing and can't believe that the GOP has turned this comment into a sexist slur. It has cost them my vote.

                                    {"commentId":2866517,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"dscott-2"}
                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#15 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":2868683,"authorDomain":"ide57"}

                                    doesnt matter ur in ca, it goes for obama anyways

                                    {"commentId":2868683,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"ide57"}
                                      #15.1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:46 PM EDT
                                      {"commentId":2870015,"authorDomain":"captahab"}

                                      I am a Republican who resided in NY. Every year my vote would get ignored by the democratic majority. Now, I have semi-retired in Florida, along with hundreds of thousands of other former NY'rs. We live in Florida, and now our votes count. In the current election, the Florida Republican vote will count and will have an affect on the outcome just as it did in the last election.

                                      It is so good to finally have a voice.

                                      {"commentId":2870015,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"captahab"}
                                      • 1 vote
                                      #15.2 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:34 PM EDT
                                      {"commentId":2871264,"authorDomain":"gerry-clough"}
                                      chollaDeleted
                                      {"commentId":2872359,"authorDomain":"jfellini"}

                                      social, You are obviously a democrat. No intelligent republican would switch parties and vote for the most liberal democrat.

                                      {"commentId":2872359,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"jfellini"}
                                        #15.4 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:27 PM EDT
                                        Reply
                                        {"commentId":2866553,"authorDomain":"krustyklown2"}

                                        And if Obama were taking advice from everyone else and allowing himself to be "handled" ala Al "You are Sexier in Earth Tones" Gore in 2000, everyone would be saying that it was political suicide not to just "be yourself." So a big "no thank you" to the author of this piece; I am sure Obama is not sitting at home crying hoping you will call with your political genius.

                                        The fact of the matter is Palin gave McCain a huge polling plus in the South where people were never going to vote for the black-skinned Barack Hussein Obama anyway. As we learned in 2000, it is Electoral Votes that matter, so Palin driving McCain from 58% to 70% in the deep south really doesn't matter, except when you take a "national" poll so every wimpy Dem can scream "Oh no! We are losing again!"

                                        Once Palin is actually made available for rigorous unscripted questioning (if ever), all of her actual positions will be known and her appeal will drop. That will leave McCain to look foolish on his own. Then the national vote will be 51-49 Obama, but Obama may still lose because he is down to needing Ohio, Colorado, Virginia, Nevada and/or New Hampshire to get him to 270, and he may lose every single named state.

                                        We are a very divided nation that voted for the idiot George W. Bush....twice. Did everyone really expect that a black man with a Muslim middle name would commend 55% of the vote and an electoral landslide? Who is being unrealistic now?

                                        {"commentId":2866553,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"krustyklown2"}
                                          Reply#16 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:05 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":2867993,"authorDomain":"dwh49"}

                                          I'm from the South, white, and voting for Obama, as are plenty of my friends and co-workers. So I don't know where you get your information from.

                                          {"commentId":2867993,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"dwh49"}
                                          • 2 votes
                                          #16.1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:09 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":2872385,"authorDomain":"jfellini"}

                                          Wow the whole 10 of you will really turn this election around and make up the majority. Thanks for the input.

                                          {"commentId":2872385,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"jfellini"}
                                            #16.2 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:29 PM EDT
                                            Reply
                                            {"commentId":2866561,"authorDomain":"phil-richardson81"}

                                            I usually respect Fineman, but his reference to Palin as the "Fall cover girl" is clearly demeaning and sexist.

                                            {"commentId":2866561,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"phil-richardson81"}
                                              Reply#17 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:05 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":2870639,"authorDomain":"bmtillman"}

                                              The only reason McCain picked Palin is to distract the country from himself.

                                              And it has worked!! The only thing the guys at work talk about is how hot she is, lol, funny how republicans make their own candidate for VP the butt of the joke.

                                              If she can't take the criticism and the sexist nature that this country spews, then she has now business running for office.

                                              Perhaps she needs to make sure she has on her big girl panties!

                                              {"commentId":2870639,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"bmtillman"}
                                              • 1 vote
                                              #17.1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:21 PM EDT
                                              Reply
                                              {"commentId":2866582,"authorDomain":"markker26"}

                                              Howard Fineman is a right wing stooge parading as an independent voice.

                                              {"commentId":2866582,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"markker26"}
                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#18 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:06 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":2868009,"authorDomain":"dwh49"}

                                              MKR, haven't you posted this before? Just wondering.

                                              {"commentId":2868009,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"dwh49"}
                                              • 1 vote
                                              #18.1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:10 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":2869639,"authorDomain":"whiles-29839"}

                                              MKR wrote: "Howard Fineman is a right wing stooge parading as an independent voice." I've been listening to Howard Fineman quite a bit during this election year and I have yet to hear him say anything complimentary about Obama without sounding forced. Fineman has pushed the "Obama is uppity, uh excuse me, I mean proud, Obama has too much pride meme since it the possibility of Obama winning the primaries became more than wishful thinking.

                                              {"commentId":2869639,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"whiles-29839"}
                                                #18.2 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":2898389,"authorDomain":"lindamshin"}

                                                Obama is proud and stubborn.

                                                So is EVERY other politician out there. It is part of what makes them successful in their field. Whether his pride, or arrogance (depending on one's POV), is more glaring than others or whether it is beyond what the majority of voters will be able to stomach remains to be seen.

                                                {"commentId":2898389,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"lindamshin"}
                                                  #18.3 - Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:28 AM EDT
                                                  Reply
                                                  {"commentId":2866626,"authorDomain":"taggco"}

                                                  The dishonesty and hypocrisy coming from the left, the right, both campaigns, and the media, is nauseating. A vote for either candidate ....... is a vote for the corrupt, self-serving, failed bureaucratic Washington status quo. The real (on-going) tragedy for America ..... is the nationwide epidemic of public apathy that returns all of these self-serving Washington politicians to their positions of public trust, term after term. And now .... two of these same folks are in line to be President ?
                                                  Profoundly, sad.

                                                  {"commentId":2866626,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"taggco"}
                                                    Reply#19 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":2866660,"authorDomain":"jeffwhite59"}

                                                    It's the debates and Obama's hesitant, lengthy style of answering questions. He's got to clean that up or he is toast.

                                                    {"commentId":2866660,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"jeffwhite59"}
                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    Reply#20 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:09 PM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":2870553,"authorDomain":"sha-1"}

                                                    They won't be able to touch Obama in the debates, can't wait.

                                                    {"commentId":2870553,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"sha-1"}
                                                      #20.1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:15 PM EDT
                                                      Reply
                                                      {"commentId":2866818,"authorDomain":"joelj"}

                                                      MSNBC and Howie writes, "Gov. Palin, the autumn cover girl.", and it won't hit a single radar screen.

                                                      I wonder what would happen if Bill O' Reilly called BHO the "summer poster boy".

                                                      Lefties would go THROUGH the ROOF.

                                                      {"commentId":2866818,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"joelj"}
                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      Reply#21 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:16 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":2866850,"authorDomain":"win270"}

                                                      LOL!! Obama binliden supporters have to admit they follow MCcain's lead and steal his lines ! Plagiarists !! You people are killing me!! Obama on Sunday Said "Let's not play games, you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith".

                                                      I laughed so hard I pee me pants! LOL!!!!! Better get Hillary back this Obama is a imbecile !! DURKA DURKA A BURKA FOR EVERY B+ITCH!!!

                                                      {"commentId":2866850,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"win270"}
                                                      • 4 votes
                                                      Reply#22 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:17 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":2868102,"authorDomain":"dwh49"}

                                                      Bob, my friend, I think you are a tad confused, must be why you like McCain so much. It's McCain who steals from Obama, hello. Obama was talking change and here comes the old man, gotta have change. How weird. Isn't McCain a Republican? Isn't Bush a Republican? Yes, last we checked, McCain agreed with Bush at least 90% of the time. How can you change from what your party wants? They pay the bills after all. Strange, just what ticket does the feeble old guy think he's on this week?

                                                      {"commentId":2868102,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"dwh49"}
                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #22.1 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:14 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":2868727,"authorDomain":"ide57"}

                                                      obama voted (agreed) with democrats 97 percent of the time, so much for change.

                                                      {"commentId":2868727,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"ide57"}
                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #22.2 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:49 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":2868871,"authorDomain":"mneff50"}

                                                      that's because democrats ARE right 97% of the time. I'll give you 3% 'cus I'm in a good mood.

                                                      {"commentId":2868871,"threadId":"354328","contentId":"1850719","authorDomain":"mneff50"}
                                                      • 3 votes
                                                      #22.3 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:57 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":2868973,"authorDomain":"ide57"}

                                                      I suppose what is correct is more of an opinion. Still not change, more of the same from both sides. Congress, with democrat majority, has lower approval rating than bush.

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                                                      #22.4 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:03 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":2869067,"authorDomain":"mneff50"}

                                                      Once Obama is president we'll see lots of change for the better.

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                                                      #22.5 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":2869159,"authorDomain":"ide57"}

                                                      I wish for once an accountant would run for president and and maybe economist for vp. Both sides are spending too much. All the lawmakers and lawyers arent very good at math as they cant seem to keep spending inline with revenue. Forget terriorist, I am more worried about owing money to foreign countries.

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                                                      #22.6 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":2870182,"authorDomain":"dwh49"}

                                                      We have one really intelligent person running, one with a law degree, graduated top of his class. He probably knows a little bit about accounting and economics, too. And we do owe lots of money to China now. Hope Obama is up to fixing the deficit. Obama/Biden '08

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                                                        #22.7 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:46 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":2872471,"authorDomain":"jfellini"}

                                                        I think Obama will be great for the deficit when he increases spending on welfare, universal healthcare, another stimulus check, and increases taxes on those evil rich people and we will see how much we can get out of them. We do deserve their money and they should provide not only jobs for the country but almost 80% of the funds for the gov to run on. Maybe by doing so more jobs and opportunity will come about. This change you people want is for the worse.

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                                                          #22.8 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:34 PM EDT
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                                                          {"commentId":2866854,"authorDomain":"jaigd"}

                                                          Ah, but arent you one astute, know-it-all reporter, Fineman ! You sound like one slow-burning, rather irate camper at the moment ( who just happens to be a reporter ), a rather ordinary fellow watching his dream slip away - & so, of course, someone has to be to Blame. And you're apparently the guy to do it ( though, interestingly, i don't recall your writing or talking this way a short time ago, like on the last day of the Democratic Convention.) How extraordinarily helpful & how timely !

                                                          If the same mentally challenged Americans who twice voted for the Disgrace who presently occupies the Oval Office weren't once again showing signs of confusing their future with theatre - this time by signing onto a desperate, aging candidate's playing Russian Roulette with their welfare by way of Hail-Mary-Palin & her Jerry-Springer-Brilliant-Put-Downs-Passing-For-a-Resume - you would surely be quite happy to continue to be supportive. Now, on the other hand, when what was & should continue to be a serious dialogue about the Nation's & indeed the Very World's Future has disintegrated into the usual mash pit mayhem of the past, you are are content to pile on & criticize the one candidate with his eye still fixed on the country's overriding interests !

                                                          If you need to blame someone, how about blaming those apparently still-mindless masses who voted in what is arguably The Most Disastrous American President in History because they thought he was either " sexy " or because they'd "like to have a beer with him " - & who seem about to elevate yet another 357 to their already apparently empty heads ??

                                                          OR, alternatively, how about blaming the Macbeths & their outrageous, protracted disregard for anything but their own personal political ambitions, which so shattered the Party inwardly, & the nation's welfare along with it, that it was never quite able to get on its feet again ?

                                                          Or . . how about blaming the folks who were too cowardly to stand up to the Macbeths ( including You ) ??

                                                          Those are glaringly absent from your lengthy list of " Blameables " . . glaringly absent from what your article touts as " ANALYSIS " . .

                                                          Get your Priorities straight, Fineman, & THEN lecture the few remaining adults onstage about where they went wrong. Until then, you and those like you remain an integral part of the problem : the politics of delusion & theatre over sanity.

                                                          you're a disappointed reporter ? well, i am, yours truly,

                                                          a disappointed reader

                                                          ( blamegame lipstick on flawed analysis doesn't make it any less flawed - & certainly doesn't make it any more helpful )

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                                                            Reply#23 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:18 PM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":2866917,"authorDomain":"cthrnlouise"}

                                                            First, yes, there are some great point in this article but I think that last comment on Obama being an "arrogant S.O.B." was completely uncalled for and besides, it's just one person's opinion (or was Mr. Fineman trying to hide his own opinion in someone else's quote?). Also, whatever happened to presenting both sides of a story? Why not ask Obama or one of his surrogates about how they feel about these comments and about the type of "help" that is being offered, and why they are seeming to work alone? There are always two-sides to a story, or at least that's what I was taught in my introductory journalism classes. With all due respect to Mr. Fineman, your ending the otherwise thoughtful and constructive article the way you did makes me think that maybe it's time for you to take a few days off to regain some of the "smart and distant analysis" of the political scene for which you so strongly criticize Senator Obama.

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                                                            Reply#24 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:20 PM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":2867017,"authorDomain":"sparkeyrules"}

                                                            Perhaps Fineman is correct, but he was such an apologist for George W. Bush that he has no credibility to discuss political issues anymore.

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                                                              Reply#25 - Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:24 PM EDT
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