Obama ratchets up counterattacks on McCain

That will be near impossible. The media has demonstrated an ineptness validating the messages on either side. There are no Cronkites or Russerts to give us the real scoop. Only 3-6% undecided; I think most people have made their minds up already.

I hope the remaining undecideds are the ones who want to see the sarcastic wars.

It needs to get 'ugly' on the issues that matter to the American people. Because the reality is ugly for most American people. Jobs. Energy. Education. The Economy. We're suffering here.

Republicans aren't talking about that - because they FAIL at that.

The Media isn't talking about that - because they're way too corporate, and way too entranced with the ratings they're getting with all the latest titter-tatter about McBarbie.

Whatever it takes to punch through the haze that the American people are in, and the media creates, to get people thinking, "Are we better off than we were 8 years ago? Where is our country headed?" - that's what Obama's going to have to do.

oh i think by the end of october this will give a whole new meaning to ugly.

got lipstick? dam that would be good on a t-shirt huh.

i think this election will bring a whole new dimesion to lawsuits. which will keep bush in the white house another 6 months to a year before the supreme court is done.

Can't we just vote tomorrow and spare ourselves all the worthless BS.
I think every ones mind is already made up

Belittling John McCain as a relic of the disco age,

Now this is scary. Disco came out in the middle seventies. McCain's heyday was before the birth of rock 'n' roll. McCain was past being a teenager before Elvis arrived on the scene--two decades before disco.

I'm not sure what's worse: that Obama is so young that these things are so very distant in time for him that they are all schumshed up into an amorphous ball called the ancient past or that McCain is so old that he is could have been Pasty Cline's prom date.

McCain is so old that he is could have been Pasty Cline's prom date.

He could have been Betsy Ross' prom date.

digadogabone, I've reported that. Racist and sexist and hateful-innuendo laden in one line -- pity there's not an academy award for filth.

Re the "disco age" references, McCain went to Washington in the 70's. That's why the 70's icons.

No different than the crap every one else puts up. Besides why is it racist????
Why is it sexist??? I thought the gay lifestyle was accepted in America.
I will have an Academy Award before I die

you are right, The GOP had its convention in the same town as the GOP senator got busted for propositioning sex in the men's room. I wonder if the conventioneers took pictures of that airport bath room. The GOP has a great legacy with the homosexual community, and they should be proud of it.
Got to admit between Paige's bathroom sex and other unconventional sexual acts and orientations , the GOP not only accepts it but participates in it

Harvey Milk Live
Go Barney Frank

they are open about it what about the Craig and that pervert senator from Florida?
I have nothing against gays it is their choice, it is not my position to cast judgement, but it is my right to call my elected officials hypocrite's. Nothing worst than some one preaching from the cover of a bible with a copy of Beef Cake between the covers

Well, Dukakis and Kerry both tried to take the high road, and we saw where it got them. Kerry naively believed that when the Swift Boat veterans trotted out their brazen libels, the media would do its job and debunk it, which could have been done in about five minutes with a little archival research. Obama isn't waiting for anyone else to counter the smears. Good for him.

I don't know if I would call this hitting lower. Claiming Obama wanted to teach sex ed to kindergartners when all he did was vote on a bill designed to protect children from pedophiles - that's the lowest anyone's stooped in this campaign.

Claiming Obama wanted to teach sex ed to kindergartners

I missed that but I've been buried in work and travel the last week.

Truly despicable. TRULY. But here's my sad prediction: it will get worse. And this lie about the sex ed for kindergartners is really going to hit some Americans in a very dirty, ugly place, that is their programmed fear of the black man as sexual predator. That's the sad truth.

When Obama hits back with the truth it's a low blow? McCain tells the filthiest lies about Obama and Obama responds with tough, but honest ads and the GOP complains about low blows? They'd be hilarious if it was so ignorant.

NeConRon - where did you read that Obama's plan was to hit lower? I read the article twice and that wasn't in there at all.

Hitting McCain on the issues of the campaign isn't really hitting lower if you ask me. I think that is what they should both be doing. McCain's scumbag advisors (i.e. Karl Rove crowd) can only play using lies and distortions. Even if Obama does hit lower (outside of the issues) what else would you expect him to do. If someone is attacking you with lies do you just turn and walk away?

The best way to beat a bully (McCain and his advisors) is to punch him in the nose. They usually can't take it - (i.e. Charlie Gibson was hard on Palin and it isn't fair)

No Fair Obama using the truth. That's as dirty as you can get! He will destroy this country!

"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds." AE

You know who went dirty, ugly, negative and untruthful? Sarah Palin. She did what John McCain doesn't have the stones to do.

But we can't punch back at her because she's a guuuurrrrrllll and a mooommmmmyyyy.

Please. The American people need answers,not McBarbie.

But she also took the gloves off with her nasty lies and and jokes, so as far as I'm concerned Barack And Joe need to takes the gloves off too and beat her lying backside to the ground. If she wants to play rough then smack her down.

And watch how fast the McCain crowd cries Unfair treatment. It would be fun to watch both of them cry actually. Palin is only tough because she is on a stage surrounded by supporters and reading a prepared text - put her somewhere else and have her discuss issues without a script and she won't be looking so tough after all. She is kind of like a professional wrestler now that I think about it. Talk a tough game and then go in a follow the script.

Rubbish. I've actively used the internet since 1992.

Yes, we had slow connections then. We still used it. People of all age who had a brain cell in their head realized the potential of the Internet for information and communication. My dad died at age 84 in 2004 and knew how to use the Internet.

John McCain IS a slow connection - to failed Republican policies that have, pardon my bluntness, @!$%#ed America over for 8 years.

Rubbish. I've actively used the internet since 1992.

Whoopdedo for you. The internet took off in the mid to late 90's. People used to wait two minutes for one page to load. Maybe you want to demand that McCain have a Blackberry or IPhone too. People need to grow up. He's a U.S. Senator for God's sake. If he communicates by crayon or carrier pigeon that is between him and the people he communicates with.

If he communicates by crayon that is between him and the people he communicates with.

Yup, four more years of the same for sure.

Bush: "Hey look what I drawed Mr. Cheney, its a cat!!"

Cheney: "That's mighty fine work there Mr. President, we're putting that up on the fridge right away."

I demand nothing from John McCain at all. No use for the man whatsoever.

But, if someone's going to consider hiring him for the job of Leader of the Free World, they might want to know his skills and abilities. Evidently, McCain needs other people around him who actually live and work in the 21st century to make up for his deficiencies.

I'm not asking McCain to do all his communication and information gathering. But it would be nice if he could do so without dependency on others.

Given the enormously importantly role the Internet plays, and will continue to play in our society, it is perfectly reasonable to expect that our President be comfortable with using it.

Reading all this crap tells me how much of a waste the Internet is. Hell porn is the number one market...oh joy..lets' all spank the monkey. I doubt the most wealthy business men in the world can barely turn on a computer. They are just smart enough to hire people that can.
Whether a President can use a computer or not is BS. They don't even drive or carry money.

I doubt the most wealthy business men in the world can barely turn on a computer. They are just smart enough to hire people that can.

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein

Reading all this crap tells me how much of a waste the Internet is.

As you post your opinions on... wait for it... the internet!!

I doubt the most wealthy business men in the world can barely turn on a computer.

Really... so.. Bill Gates... Steve Jobs...? Like it or not, IT is extremely important in the US economy as a multi trillion dollar industry. e-commerce alone is a $200 billion dollar market.

Your correct - there isn't a compelling reason for him to use one. He has a staff that tells him what to do and he has no need for an ATM since he just calls his sugar mamma and she sends the staff over with cash.

The guy is out of touch and that is dangerous in this day and age - you can't say it isn't either. He actually got up on a stage and said with his own two lips that he doesn't know much about economics - DOESN'T KNOW MUCH - that is from his own mouth - not even something that the Obama campaign had to make up.

Good thing the economy is running along so well right now or we would be worried about electing someone that doesn't even understand it.

Good help us all.

Reading all this crap tells me how much of a waste the Internet is. Hell porn is the number one market...oh joy..lets' all spank the monkey. I doubt the most wealthy business men in the world can barely turn on a computer. They are just smart enough to hire people that can.
Whether a President can use a computer or not is BS. They don't even drive or carry money.

I'll defer to your expertise on how much porn is on the net.

The president of my company, (and digadogabone, I'm pretty sure he could buy and sell you with his pocket change), not only can and does use a computer, he demands that we all do so with competence. He doesn't hire people who can't carry their weight, innovate, research, and communicate. He wouldn't hire McCain. Neither would I.

Maybe the President doesn't carry a wallet but maybe he should? Could keep him in touch with the rest of us getting hurt by the prices of gas and food. Maybe he shouldn't be in a motorcade so that he has to deal with the crappy traffic that the rest of us suffer.

McCain is an out of touch old guy with no new ideas, and no way to get in touch with the American people.

And it isn't just the lack of skills with technology. The guy is out of touch with the world (nothing to do with being 72) because he lives in an ivory tower with his wife's $300 million fortune. That should be enough to tell you that he isn't going to help the every day person because he doesn't know what an every day person does. Don't think for a moment that living a life of that much wealth (not knocking it at all) doesn't cloud your view on the real world. If he had earned that money himself I might think a little differently but he married it and she didn't even earn it - she just outlived her parents. Not knocking wealth - I just don't think they share my values.

We are living in a very modern technical age. I believe it's 2008. If McCain can't learn how to use the internet and email how can he learn to run our country. C'mon, two year olds are using some type of computer, whether its a Leapfrog learning toy, it's still computerized. Hey let's start McCain with Leapfrog. Anyone want to volunteer their 2 year olds to teach McCain. But be cautious if McCain gets frustrated with them he might draft them into war, just for the hell of it!

If McCain can't learn how to use the internet and email how can he learn to run our country.

Lexieb:

You assume that the man can't learn to use the internet? How nuts is that?

That he hasn't taken the time to learn might be a function of how he actually does spend his time and the fact that he has a herd of assistants to access electronic communication devices that might be handy.

What presidential duty do you think requires internet competency?

Finally, if not accessing the internet means he's reading books instead, then he's spending his time in a more educationally fruitful way.

What presidential duty do you think requires internet competency?

Making informed decisions on net neutrality and e commerce legislation?

BAjunkie

Interesting bit of reasoning. Let's see if it can apply anywhere else?

So then you think Congress and the President were incompetent to enact legislation establishing Major League Baseball's monopoly because they'd never played professional ball?

So then you think Congressmen and Presidents are incompetent to enact regulations affecting air safety unless they happen to have been pilots or parachutists?

So then you think Congressmen and Presidents are incompetent to enact regulations affecting prescription drugs unless they happen to have been drug companies?

So then you think Congressmen and Presidents are incompetent to enact regulations affecting meat packing safety unless they happen to have been butchers?

So then you think Congressmen and Presidents are incompetent to enact regulations affecting nuclear regulation unless they happen to have been the operators of nuclear plants?

Naw...................that bit of rationalization just doesn't scour. If it did, nobody would be qualified to be president or serve in Congress because most things such magistrates deal with are outside their own personal experience.

It was a notion though.

Hello! This is the 21st century, not the 18th.
We just had a Cowboy, and saw what that's like, now we are being sold a Maverick and his side kick Annie Oakley?
If you don't know why we need a Leader who knows what kind of world we live in
then you Simply just don't get it. Simple

I think the fact that he has not learned how to use the internet or even send an e-mail (quite honestly a very simple thing to learn) probably doesn't impact how he would directly perform his day to day duties as president (as I believe most presidents don't use e-mail for obvious reasons). However - that being said it does shed some light on his level of curiosity and ability to adapt to an ever changing world. That to me is the more important element in this argument. We live in a very fast paced and complicated world and I think it is important that the person running our country be "of that world" and not just in it and riding along trying to look as if he is current.

The flip side to this argument is that it has been widely reported in the last week that Palin not only knows how to use e-mail (as does her husband) but she and her staff have taken a page out of the GOP playbook and use their personal e-mail addresses to communicate state business - because they feel it shields them from prying eyes and subpeonas. That is an even scarrier issue than McCain not knowing how to turn on a computer. This is obvisouly a women who believes that what she is doing is outside what the public would approve of so she has chosen to hide her actions and have a more secretive approach to governing. This is sounding more and more like Bush/Cheney every day.

If you don't know why we need a Leader who knows what kind of world we live in
then you Simply just don't get it. Simple

SM-701919

In 1961, when Ike left the White House for retirement in Gettysburg, he picked up a phone to dial for himself for the first time since 1942. According to his biographer Steven Ambrose, when Ike heard the dial tone that had been ubiquitous for most Americans for more than a decade, he didn't know what it was and thought the instrument was broken.

Was he therefore unfit as Supreme Commander and as President because he "didn't know what kind of world we live[d] in?"

I am sorry, young fella, but if you think the internet is of such inherent importance to 'knowing" what kind of world we live in, then I think it is you who has lost touch with "what kind of world we live in."

it does shed some light on his level of curiosity and ability to adapt to an ever changing world.

Nonsense: It means he's decided there is no information on the internet that he can only get by personally accessing it. What's important is the quality of information he gets, not how he gets it. If he's spending his time reading reports prepared by experts and by books written by authors who've educated themselves on subjects of the books, then the quality of the information he's getting is worlds better than what he'd find here, for instance.

Do you think when he says, "Hey you! Lackey "A", tell Lacky "B" to reschedule my speech in Omaha," that the Lackys ain't using Email on his behalf.

I frankly think it is a mark of credit to his curiosity that he doesn't waste his time exploring the intricacies of communication tools used by his underlings.

Does it follow from your argument that he can't be interested and curious about music because he doesn't own an IPOD?

Jess - you missed the entire point of my post. And interestling you assume that I am a young fella?

I said in there that it probably wouldn't have an impact on how he was president in the day to day functions. While your Ike story was interesting - what you fail to mention is that Ike was considered one of the most mediocre presidents of our time. Not a bad president but he didn't move the ball forward one inch. He was a great commander - can't say that he wasn't. However his was a seat warmer of a president - could have been caused by the serious heart attack while in office.

Your references to rebut my curiosity comment are beyond silly. You took that idea and when small time with it instead of big picture. I never said he should search the web or chat online with his secretary. Bring your game up a notch.

Signed -

Young Fella - or Maybe Not (hmmmm interesting isn't it?)

Look it is not over till it's over..

That's a good one. When the left was ceaselessly trashing Sarah Palin a couple weeks ago, one of the resident goofs at Newsvine was touting her story that "it was over" because of something or other that she thought completely disqualified Palin. I guess the shoe is on the other foot now, and "it's not over" has supplanted "it's over" as the Obaman rallying cry.

Sarah was trashing herself. Except for a few rumors that no one believed all of the garbage the media dug out about her was created by her. She asked for it, she got it. I mean it's not like the media made her unmarried daughter pregnant or asked for hundreds of millions in earmarks or got her commissioner fired for not firing her ex-brother-in-law. Sarah brought all of these things down on herself.

Is tunnel vision a Republican trait?

Ms. Palin came out swinging. The mccain camp broke the news about her daughter.
Mccain/Palin/Rove have been criss=crossing the country reciting the same debunked lies.

The media went after Palin because of the way camp mccain handled the roll out.

Again this campaign is not owned by karl rove/bush and the republican big wigs.

Obama's campaign is powered by the people. You can laugh and be in disbelief but there is a movement that is occurring of everyday people just like me who are working for change and we will have our due...

OBAMA/BIDEN=CHANGE

Obama tried to take the high road but...

We are dealing with people who will do anything and everything to win...following the lead of their leader Mccain's dirty trick and ads.

If camp Oama tells the truth that will be worst than any lie they can create.

My message to Ms.Palin...This ain't no tea party. You are not going to get a pass if you want to be treated like a girl grab your barbies and go home.

Palin/Mccain =The Real Bridge to Nowhere

Its amazing how our fine feathered friend and SELF described Maverick has pulled another Maverick move and hired the same people that ran Bush's campaigns. These are the same people that dragged he and his wife and kids through the mud in South Carolina in 2000 - the ones that he said her disgusting. Now they are his buddies and the maverick is writing them big checks to be disgusting on his campaign.

Sorry - just another example of how this guy isn't a maverick. Probably the worse example because he has actually sold his soul with this little maverick move.

Wow 29 is a great age!

Don't let the success of failure of this election discourage you from being involved in the process.
I am much older and believe me after the last election I was almost paralyzed for two day.
I was so depressed because I could not believe that so many people could not see that another 4 years of the bush administration would not be good for the country.
I believe that history has proved me and millions of other to have been right.

We were right then and we are right now.
This is not a spectator sport get out there and do something to help make this happen.
It is not about just you or me it is for the good of our country.
Obama/Biden 08

digadogabone...

I would encourage you to not put yourself in the place or position to get so upset over words expressed by those that have the right to their own opinions. We still live in a democracy, which allows for persons to have a voice.

Try to be a bit more tolerant, state your opinion, but do so with respect and a little dignity and diversity.

You seem so stressed out.

Nicely said DIGADOGABONE - hate the name calling and then end with YOU BOTH SUCK. The reason it gets this way is because no matter how much people say they hate the mud slinging, they actually like it and particpate in it. Its like having Access Hollywood on location - all the smut you can handle about things that don't matter.

Too many people in the US like trash and gossip - until that changes this will all stay the same and we will deal more with Britney Spears than we will fixing our country.

Oh God is this that guy who pulls up quotes all day and tries to impress us? How the hell did my parents generation get past the great depression and WWII?
All we have now is a bunch of crying babies who don't even know what hard times are.
Life is to hard, I can't make it, I need more free stuff. This country is sucking wind because the men act like women and the women think their men.
This country needs a sex change and time to take the baby bottles out of their mouths

Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it. If you are not impressed with the Founders of America, then How can you call yourself an American? You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. Your comment fails to offer any meaningful dialog or information, and are worthless except to pander to emotionalism, and in fact, reveal you to be emotionally insecure with these matters. Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such "Ad hominem abusive" tactics?

"Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn."
Benjamin Franklin

I do just fine. I think on my own two feet and have better quotes than most founding fathers. And the last thing this county is doing is following in the footsteps of our founding fathers. 75% are egg sucking gutless wonders who want everthing for free and don't even try. And the last thing they do is give a s h i t about AMERICA.
So pull up all the quotes you want sonny, because no one is paying attention.
Play I HAVE A DREARM 100 more times on TV and tell me about the black mans plight.
I still can't walk down in Compton without fear of getting shot just because I'm white.
So pull up a quote and show me the error of my ways.

might be easier walking down the street in Compton, if you remove the rebel flag from your jacket

Dan Hallo...

"An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics." Plato

How true, how true. And that is just what Bush and his administration have gone and done. And we do not want more of the same doctrine. The Republican party is very well known in bringing on the great dvide in society's across the country. The rich got richer and the hard-working man and woman got poorer.

That is not what their political positions were meant to do to citizens of this nation. We must start moving in a different direction under Obama's lead.

BEV_OKC_CITIZEN
That's what I hope for as well. this top down crap has been a failure for millennia, why do we want to go back to the time of insane kings and warlords? That's what the republicans will lead us to.

The difference between a thriving country and a third world country is the middle class. Ours is deteriorating. We need to do something now. Obama/Biden 08

How the hell did my parents generation get past the great depression and WWII?

In short, they elected a Democrat who brought about the New Deal, a plan to redistribute wealth and power from an elite class back to the masses. Sound familiar?

Actually, if you watched the entire forum last night--Obama and McCain almost completely agreed on everything. Am I the only person who sees the nastiness, ugliness, and mudslinging from both sides? It's there. We have no innocent candidate here.

Rixart...Proud of your service to America and BRAVO in supporting Obama!!!

Rixart I agree and I am also a veteran (DAV AF). My vote is Obama/Biden

usa1 thank you for sharing my brother, I am (DAV CG). Obama/Biden 2008 in 52 more days.

Amen Nancy in WA!

Does Palin and her new found buddy really believe they can say one thing and then say another without the world questioning thier intentions?

I have heard no less than 4 outright lies, since she has opened her mouth and as for Mickey C...well...I haven't heard much from him lately, but I do know he represents more of the same and yet claims the adverse.

He and she will be called in on their outright lies...America turn to and start working for a better America...write, donate, educate voters...do whatever you can to support Obama and his team.

she also thinks the hijackers of 911 were from Iraq

Oh dear God...where did you hear that? Okay...she needs to go back to the igloo and stick her head in between two ice blocks...

WAKE UP AMERICA...IGNORANCE IS NOT AN OPTION OR A PREREQUISITE IN RUNNING A COUNTRY.

I agree, now McCain is resorting to lies. He is a true inept snake in the grass.
I am awaiting the debates!!!!!!

Oh ... me too... waiting with baited breathe as to the showdown we're going to see when both parties debate the issues.

If McCain speaks the truth and Obama brings out the truth, McC and P haven't a chance in hell.

I'm planning a party...wanna come? unlike Republicans, looking to make a buck whenever and wherever possible...It's free admissions for all!

I will be there with my TIVO recording each second of the debate!!!!!.

No McGovern ...

I am affiliated with AARP and I must inform you that the majority of older citizens I have had the pleasure of talking up politics are hands down, with fist on table, rooting and looking for change and believe Obama / Biden (a senior citizen) will bring it on home. And I'm talking countrywide, not just in FL!

Not to worry...there are more educated and intelligent older persons than you realize and they have felt the monetary pain and suffering McCain has brought on and has effected their generations. Thank God..huh!

McCain is aware of technology, he is able to use a telegraph, and knows what a gramophone is. He just has a problem with these new fangled phones, he keeps looking for the crank.

He IS the crank. His new campaign slogan is "Hey you kids! Get off my lawn!"

LOL, I don't understand McCain's campaign is upset because McCain is compared as a relic of the disco age. They should be flattered since he is actually a relic from the bronze age

lol R Donald! lol usa1. Maybe he's a relic from the Mezozoic period? Methusalah? (sorry, i'm getting carried away)