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Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent" or responsible for their own troubles.
The poll, conducted with Stanford University, suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference between the candidates in 2004 — about 2.5 percentage points.
Certainly, Republican John McCain has his own obstacles: He's an ally of an unpopular president and would be the nation's oldest first-term president. But Obama faces this: 40 percent of all white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks, and that includes many Democrats and independents.
More than a third of all white Democrats and independents — voters Obama can't win the White House without — agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don't have such views.
Such numbers are a harsh dose of reality in a campaign for the history books. Obama, the first black candidate with a serious shot at the presidency, accepted the Democratic nomination on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech, a seminal moment for a nation that enshrined slavery in its Constitution.
"There are a lot fewer bigots than there were 50 years ago, but that doesn't mean there's only a few bigots," said Stanford political scientist Paul Sniderman who helped analyze the exhaustive survey.
The pollsters set out to determine why Obama is locked in a close race with McCain even as the political landscape seems to favor Democrats. President Bush's unpopularity, the Iraq war and a national sense of economic hard times cut against GOP candidates, as does that fact that Democratic voters outnumber Republicans.
The findings suggest that Obama's problem is close to home — among his fellow Democrats, particularly non-Hispanic white voters. Just seven in 10 people who call themselves Democrats support Obama, compared to the 85 percent of self-identified Republicans who back McCain.
The survey also focused on the racial attitudes of independent voters because they are likely to decide the election.
Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren't voting against Obama because of his race. Most Republicans wouldn't vote for any Democrat for president — white, black or brown.
Not all whites are prejudiced. Indeed, more whites say good things about blacks than say bad things, the poll shows. And many whites who see blacks in a negative light are still willing or even eager to vote for Obama.
On the other side of the racial question, the Illinois Democrat is drawing almost unanimous support from blacks, the poll shows, though that probably wouldn't be enough to counter the negative effect of some whites' views.
Race is not the biggest factor driving Democrats and independents away from Obama. Doubts about his competency loom even larger, the poll indicates. More than a quarter of all Democrats expressed doubt that Obama can bring about the change they want, and they are likely to vote against him because of that.
Three in 10 of those Democrats who don't trust Obama's change-making credentials say they plan to vote for McCain.
Still, the effects of whites' racial views are apparent in the polling.
Statistical models derived from the poll suggest that Obama's support would be as much as 6 percentage points higher if there were no white racial prejudice.
But in an election without precedent, it's hard to know if such models take into account all the possible factors at play.
The AP-Yahoo poll used the unique methodology of Knowledge Networks, a Menlo Park, Calif., firm that interviews people online after randomly selecting and screening them over telephone. Numerous studies have shown that people are more likely to report embarrassing behavior and unpopular opinions when answering questions on a computer rather than talking to a stranger.
Other techniques used in the poll included recording people's responses to black or white faces flashed on a computer screen, asking participants to rate how well certain adjectives apply to blacks, measuring whether people believe blacks' troubles are their own fault, and simply asking people how much they like or dislike blacks.
"We still don't like black people," said John Clouse, 57, reflecting the sentiments of his pals gathered at a coffee shop in Somerset, Ohio.
Given a choice of several positive and negative adjectives that might describe blacks, 20 percent of all whites said the word "violent" strongly applied. Among other words, 22 percent agreed with "boastful," 29 percent "complaining," 13 percent "lazy" and 11 percent "irresponsible." When asked about positive adjectives, whites were more likely to stay on the fence than give a strongly positive assessment.
Among white Democrats, one-third cited a negative adjective and, of those, 58 percent said they planned to back Obama.
The poll sought to measure latent prejudices among whites by asking about factors contributing to the state of black America. One finding: More than a quarter of white Democrats agree that "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites."
Those who agreed with that statement were much less likely to back Obama than those who didn't.
Among white independents, racial stereotyping is not uncommon. For example, while about 20 percent of independent voters called blacks "intelligent" or "smart," more than one third latched on the adjective "complaining" and 24 percent said blacks were "violent."
Nearly four in 10 white independents agreed that blacks would be better off if they "try harder."
The survey broke ground by incorporating images of black and white faces to measure implicit racial attitudes, or prejudices that are so deeply rooted that people may not realize they have them. That test suggested the incidence of racial prejudice is even higher, with more than half of whites revealing more negative feelings toward blacks than whites.
Researchers used mathematical modeling to sort out the relative impact of a huge swath of variables that might have an impact on people's votes — including race, ideology, party identification, the hunger for change and the sentiments of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's backers.
Just 59 percent of her white Democratic supporters said they wanted Obama to be president. Nearly 17 percent of Clinton's white backers plan to vote for McCain.
Among white Democrats, Clinton supporters were nearly twice as likely as Obama backers to say at least one negative adjective described blacks well, a finding that suggests many of her supporters in the primaries — particularly whites with high school education or less — were motivated in part by racial attitudes.
The survey of 2,227 adults was conducted Aug. 27 to Sept. 5. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.1 percentage points.
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Associated Press writers Nancy Benac, Julie Carr Smyth, Philip Elliot, Julie Pace and Sonya Ross contributed to this report.
© 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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{"commentId":3017542,"authorDomain":"karesony"}
Well, this has been interesting. Just for the record, I don't get Walter's friends, either. They sound confused.
Obama-Biden '08!
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#51 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:19 PM EDT{"commentId":3017565,"authorDomain":"dawicked1"}
It's always fun to me how non-blacks can comment on "What the Blacks or the Black community is or should be". You don't have any ideal what it is like to be "Black in America." You didn't get to hear the stories from your parent on how they had to drink out of a colored only fountain and places they couldn't go just because of their skin. No matter how old a man was he was still a "boy".
You know nothing of the taunts and injustice that happens not just to black but to non whites. That still goes on today. My friend just got back from a vacation with her family(Husband, 2 kids, and retired Mother and Father) to Oregon and Washington state. She is a Mexican American she told me how shock she was by the way people treated her in Oregon. They made it known to her that she did not belong there and she should go. This was last month!! Not 1960! She said it was unnerving and made her worry about the safety of her family. They didn't know that she is a law student working on a Masters degree, working full time and raising a family. You don't know how it is to be in a situation like that. IF something happens where do you go? To the local police? It may be your attackers best friend that they have known for years. Who side are they going to take your or their old friend. That is something I have to keep in mind when I travel with outside of major cities. This report talks about the elephant in the room that no one talks about.
I live out here in Los Angeles where thing are pretty good overall. But, I'm often the a victim of "stereotypes". I'm a 36yrs old 6' 230lbs Black man that played football in high school so I'm a big guy. I'm away in shorts and a T-shirt. No hood white Tees or over sized clothes. I walk down the street and women see me and hold there purses tighter or move it to the side away from me. Or I'm walking down the street full of people and the person walking in front of me glances back and sees then they get this nerves walk and keeps looking over their shoulder. Then they final stop and step to the side, and hold their breath as they wait for the danger to pass. As if I'm some animal that is about to pounce. I get that alot. They don't know that I been married for 12 yrs and have 2 very smart little boys 9 and 6 in private school. I'm a Homeowner in a nice middle class city , a PTA member, a 13 yr LA DWP employee with a prefect record, a union shop steward, Air Force Desert storm vet,wife and I both have over a 700 credit score, bought and sold restate on the side, build Hot Rods and computers, and grow up in a upper middle with both parents. Hey I even drive a Subaru!:) All the see is this big black guy coming down the street. That may be violent and attack and anytime. You don't know how sad and depressing that is for all my accomplishment that this is how I'm viewed. Like some kind of animal.
Every year we go on a trip and it's funny how we are treated outside this country. We have been to London, Paris, Germany, Puerto Rico and Amsterdam. First, they are surprised to see a young black American couple in their country. They say "Ahh your Americans!" with a warm smile and want to know all about the us and the USA. They go out of their way to make us feel at home. Sad thing is we don't get that all that often in our own country.
So before you make statements about "them" and the problems with "them". You have to realize you have no ideal what goes on. Above is just one of many things that we as "black" people have to deal with. I refuse to be a victim and fall into that victim mentality. I can't, I have 2 little boys that I have to raise into strong men that happen to be Black. We make well over 100K a yr as a household and I can tell that "whites" are not the only ones paying for welfare.
Sorry for getting on this soap box
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- 4 votes
#52 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:20 PM EDT{"commentId":3017720,"authorDomain":"raiderlaura69"}
Itsmebryan-----Hey, you hit it on the head. When me (white) and my husband (black) shop and we stop at the deli counter to choose what we want, the clerk will ask me what I would like, I tell her, and then she looks at my husband and says "can I help you sir"? I mean we are standing there together, talking and she still doesn't equate we are together. I blurt to her--he is with me! she will then say , "Oh I'm sorry", I say back, "I'm not". This is just an example to exemplify your examples. It is real and people need to get over the 20th century. What I think is funny is the white people are soon to be the MINORITY in this country, then what are they going to do. Whoops, I am white and I said 'they'. OMG!!!!! I am not proud of my race in the parts that show prejudice and never have been even as a young child. Guess the Hippy days showed me a lot for peace and hormony. Oh did I mention I am the Black sheep of my family. Go figure. Don't call them and don't care. I have tried years for their approval and it will never happen so I gave up. Ironically, they like my husband, I don't get it.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3017827,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
You know nothing of the taunts and injustice that happens not just to black but to non whites. That still goes on today. My friend just got back from a vacation with her family(Husband, 2 kids, and retired Mother and Father) to Oregon and Washington state. She is a Mexican American she told me how shock she was by the way people treated her in Oregon. They made it known to her that she did not belong there and she should go. This was last month!! Not 1960! She said it was unnerving and made her worry about the safety of her family. They didn't know that she is a law student working on a Masters degree, working full time and raising a family. You don't know how it is to be in a situation like that. IF something happens where do you go? To the local police? It may be your attackers best friend that they have known for years. Who side are they going to take your or their old friend. That is something I have to keep in mind when I travel with outside of major cities. This report talks about the elephant in the room that no one talks about.
Well, that sounds to me like an inferiority complex. Mexican-American also discriminate inside their own race. I saw in Mexico City when I left Cuba how the servants slept in the floor w/not blankets .
I was born in Cuba, came educated but never was interested in learning English, just the need made me. I never felt "minimize", I walked w/my head up, worked in important business and Bank in CA close to Watts. My car was spitted by blacks in a parking lot. I understood how angry they were and....... you tell me what Maxine Waters had been doing for Watts?
I live now in a chichilala neighborhood, the neighbor came w/a plate of cookies and asked me for talking to the lady of the house (we were unpacking 1000 boxes from overseas) and working from 5:00 a.m. until 10:00 pm. every day. The car in the driveway is a Hyundai and this lady thought that I was the maid. This is one of my favorite experiences.
You don't have an idea how much I enjoyed telling her: Thanks for the cookies and I am the lady of the house. Today we are friends, she stays in her home and I stay in mine, she recognized that she made a big mistake.
The point is that your friends should not inferior to anyone and even if she is treated wrong.
Remember, we all visit the loo or if not we finish in the ER.
{"commentId":3017827,"threadId":"363025","contentId":"1888792","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3018575,"authorDomain":"terranceyoung"}
So you are against Obama why determined ?
{"commentId":3018575,"threadId":"363025","contentId":"1888792","authorDomain":"terranceyoung"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3017583,"authorDomain":"raiderlaura69"}
Walter, you may not realize it but whites are as much on public assistance as blacks except they don't show it as much. They sneak!! I have a white neighbor (and I live in a very nice neighborhood) who lies to the government, works under the table, keeps section 8 housing pmts, free Medicaid and foodstamps buys new cars and parties every week-end. She claims no income thus gets everything for free. Oh did I mention she goes to the tanning booth 2 times a week and has her nails done? I on the other hand have about 5 years left to live, I am white, Illness prevented we from working any longer, with no insurance (Cobra was 945.00 a month for continued insurance of what I had but they wouldn't cover the illnesses I had) and 2 terminal illnesses, don't qualify for medicare yet (you have to be on SS for 2 years before you get medicare unless you are over 63) and don't qualify for Medicaid because my black husband works at walmart unloading trucks every night (hasn't missed work in 3 years) and makes too much money. So don't tell me public assistance is mainly for black people. Look under the frilly sheets of your neighbors and you may discover more than what you like. We are all people of this country and all equal and if you don't believe that then you don't stand for the Constitution of this great country. I am not prejudice against color--only liars and thieves.
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- 3 votes
#53 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:21 PM EDT{"commentId":3017610,"authorDomain":"julie-knudson"}
Check out this link, I think it says it all about the Hollywood slanted view of the world and politics.
How come Obama and Biden remind me so much of Bush and Cheney? I'd rather see two well known reformers in the White House, especially with all the greed we have seen associated with the financial crisis that we've been experiencing.
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#54 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:23 PM EDT{"commentId":3017619,"authorDomain":"geturstuff"}
As a white democrat, I can't believe how our party nominated the one least likely to get elected. Black political leaders have a proven record of ruining whatever city or state they have been entrusted with. I refuse to take that chance with the whole country.
{"commentId":3017619,"threadId":"363025","contentId":"1888792","authorDomain":"geturstuff"}
- 1 vote
#55 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:23 PM EDT{"commentId":3019396,"authorDomain":"Nil"}
Fedupgal,
Oh, please do give us your factual sources. LOLOLOL. In an attempt to sound aware and insightful you have completely revealed your racist bias towards blacks. The majority of this country is not even being run by blacks and hasn't been, so then it's because of blacks that we are in this mess with the economy, the Iraq War, etc.,????
Your comments and your ignorance is egregious and enormous.
{"commentId":3019396,"threadId":"363025","contentId":"1888792","authorDomain":"Nil"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":3019506,"authorDomain":"walterego68"}
Black political leaders have a proven record of ruining whatever city or state they have been entrusted with.
Wow.
{"commentId":3019506,"threadId":"363025","contentId":"1888792","authorDomain":"walterego68"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":3021105,"authorDomain":"carloz"}
fedupgal, just trolling by?
{"commentId":3021105,"threadId":"363025","contentId":"1888792","authorDomain":"carloz"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3017693,"authorDomain":"sava27"}
whats scary about this subject is the level of uneducated comments ....i can handle people saying his taxng of 250k plus incomes is unfair or his health care program MIGHT NOT WORK ....its the comments of hes a empty suit ? or hes not qualified ? hes not smart enough ? hes unpatriotic ? somehow he will give all benefits to blacks ? this stuff is truly scary ......you people cant be that dumb can you ?
let me dumb it down for you .....
JOBS .....obama wants to take our old factories which are shut down or broken down and transform them into new factories for the new century ...electric car plants , natural gas cars , hydrogen cars ...he understands that getting people back to work will fix alot of the social issues . mccain wants to continue trickle down economics ..keep giving to the rich and they will be gracious enough to hire us or open factories to put us to work . this HAS NOT HAPPENED ...ALL THEY HAVE DONE IS GET RICH BUYING BACK THERE STOCK AND THEN MOVING TO ANOTHER CHEAPER COUNTRY .
SOCIAL SECURITY ...obama wants to protect it and try to replenish the losses ....the more people you have working the better the shot that social security stays alive ...people working are paying for people retired . there is no magical slush fund . mccain wanted to INVEST social scurity into the stock market ...you know like in safe investments like FNMA AND FRMC ....feeling good yet SENIORS ?
foreign .....OBAMA doesnt think talking with countries for americas best interest is a bad thing . AMERICA COMES FIRST then allies fall in line .the duty of the president is to PROTECT AMERICANS not to police the world or spread some idealogy you believe in . mccain thinks we are all GEORGIANS .....not WE ARE ALL AMERICANS . we need to take care of our own house first.
REPUBLICANS were given the key to this country for eight years and have betrayed the trust ....now there keys have to be taken away until they learn how to behave. this has been the worst administration EVER.
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- 4 votes
#56 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:27 PM EDT{"commentId":3017933,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
let me dumb it down for you
Please, don't patronize a Simpleton like moi.
{"commentId":3017933,"threadId":"363025","contentId":"1888792","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":3035975,"authorDomain":"werblssed"}
Wolverine what you are not saying is that it is the congress that controls the purse string for America it is not the incumbant... and the dems have the congress...so when you start pointing the finger don't forget the other four fingers point right back at you.
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{"commentId":3017818,"authorDomain":"ygemmad"}
Racial attitude might steer away a small number of people from Obama. But Sen. Obama's biggest problem is that HIS VOTES AGAINST A BILL PROTECTING BORN-ALIVE BABIES, an identical bill of the federal BORN ALIBE INFANT PROTECTION BILL. The federal bill was passed unanimously in the Senate. Even very liberal senators Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton, Boxer and all other senators voted for the bill. But Sen. Obama voted AGAINST PROTECTING LIVING BABIES and is THE MOST LIBERAL SENATOR IN THE U.S.
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- 1 vote
#57 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:35 PM EDT{"commentId":3019875,"authorDomain":"anonymousjones"}
{"commentId":3017829,"authorDomain":"tishamauro"}
This actricle is the reason that I have always conntended that Hillary would have been a better nominee than Obama. We should not have risked the elcetion this year. It is too important. A Hillary/Obama ticket would have been the "dream ticket". The ticket would easily win and it would give the racist portion of america 4-8 years to get comfortable with Obama and then he would be able to win. I haven't thrown in the towel yet but I sure think it was a stupid year to the risk. If Obama doesn't get elected the dem's have only themselves to blame.
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#58 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:35 PM EDT{"commentId":3017901,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
And for Hillary the delicious thought of Obama going back to the Congress, as equal.
In 2006 I was sure of a Democrat President (I still think that Obama might win), right now the balance is even equal.
{"commentId":3017901,"threadId":"363025","contentId":"1888792","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":3019683,"authorDomain":"Nil"}
not over it, Racist people never get used to someone who doesn't look like them. No matter what Senator Obama does, a person who is racist still wouldn't like him. Racist people don't think in rational ways like normal people do. Their thoughts are ruled by irrational thinking. Intelligentl thought and critical thinking skills are not one of their strengths.
You can't neglect to take risks because of what a few bigots believe. Anything worth accomplishing has risks and this is a fact of life. If everyone took your point of view, nothing would ever get accomplished in America.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":3051150,"authorDomain":"kedwards1948"}
A Hillary/Obama ticket would have been the "dream ticket".
It would have been a "dream ticket" for the radical right as well. Limbaugh had to clean out miles of files that he had stockpiled, ready to dredge up and launch the smear campaign anticipated by the radical right.
{"commentId":3051150,"threadId":"363025","contentId":"1888792","authorDomain":"kedwards1948"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":3055852,"authorDomain":"tishamauro"}
I think the vast majority of the population has already heard everything that the radical right can throw at her. That is old news. I can't speak for everyone but I know 18 million people that didn't care about what the radical right has to say on the issue.
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{"commentId":3017888,"authorDomain":"thinkmaster"}
"They're lazy".
Okay, so do not vote for that person you believe to be lazy. Oh the irony.
The actions of these racists won't allow a hard working black man who through out his life has proven not be lazy, violent, etc, to get to the top job of this country and then the stereotype of black men being lazy will continue because they can't get anywhere in life. And clearly its not because of them being lazy but because people won't hire them, vote for them, because they think they're 'lazy'.
Oh what a miserable cycle.
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- 2 votes
#59 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:39 PM EDT{"commentId":3017932,"authorDomain":"jradmacher"}
I have to wonder what the poles would be reading if Obama was white. If for just a couple of weeks he was white and he took over the election by a land side what would that say about America? If Obama loses this election for the simple reason that he is black it will be a sad day for all Americans. I am white so I really don't know what it is like to be in a minority. I have seen the destructive force of what prejudice and hate can bring. Prejudice and hate can easily turn into violence and that is a road that needs to be closed forever.
Some of us would even like to pit white people against white people just for party affiliation. If you read some of the nasty hateful things people are saying in these blogs you have to wonder how useful they are. I guess my views make me a bleeding heart liberal just because I would rather see people unite as a country and as world citizens. We are all so lucky to have been born in America. I have been around the world several times and I have seen poverty at its worse as bad as poeverty is its better than prejudice. If we would use our wealth for good instead of greed we would all be so much better off. I guess that I am a dreamer, it would be so nice to see this election turn into positive debates and sharing of ideas instead of the us against them mentality. We should all try for just one day to stop the negativity and spend our energy trying to find solutions to our problems instead of spreading hate.
{"commentId":3017932,"threadId":"363025","contentId":"1888792","authorDomain":"jradmacher"}
- 2 votes
#60 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:42 PM EDT{"commentId":3018031,"authorDomain":"bigdaddyinpdx"}
i dont have to wonder. he'd be leading.
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{"commentId":3018136,"authorDomain":"Ches"}
If Obama was white, he would have never made it this far. Look at his qualifications, have you seen any "white" candidate run (and made it this far) for president with so little political experience. John McCain's VP candidate is only there because McCain picked her. If she actually had to run on her political experience she wouldn't be a candidate.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3018260,"authorDomain":"jradmacher"}
Polska, yes I have seen a candidate with Obama's experience level make it. John F Kennedy would be the first one that comes to my mind. If we want someone that is going to bring change to our country do we really want someone with experience in this system? Obama has showed poise and self control during this election. I would much rather have a person that is cool, calm and collect in charge of our country than another person who believes that war is the best answer.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":3019850,"authorDomain":"Nil"}
Joe,
I agree. I noticed this as well about Senator Obama's demeanor. He is always calm and he is slow to speak and quick to listen without making rash decisions. My dad always says if a man or woman speaks too quickly, they are not good leaders because they are usually people who act without thinking first. We need a calm, intuitive leader running for President.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":3021344,"authorDomain":"carloz"}
have you seen any "white" candidate run (and made it this far) for president with so little political experience
Senator Obama's experience parallels President Abraham Lincoln's pretty closely. When Lincoln ran for President he was a lawyer who had served eight years in the Illinois state legislature and one term in the US Congress -- just like Obama. In Lincoln's case his government experience had been in the Illinois and US Houses of Representatives, while Obama's has been in the Illinois and US Senates.
{"commentId":3021344,"threadId":"363025","contentId":"1888792","authorDomain":"carloz"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":3017950,"authorDomain":"margarethageman"}
There once was a generation of old white Americans who made those comments, they are on there way out.Most of this thought process came from the world war two generation. And hopefully their children learned from integration of schools and reading and just plain stupidity of their parents ( I should say lack of guidance) that their is no validity to prejudice. I remember reading the book "black like Me", I thought how interesting that this white man was treated so differently just by the color of his skin. As I remember ,he did things that were easy to do when you are white like simple things, buying a car etc. But when he did the same things as a black man ,(as he dyed his skin to look black )how hard the same things he did when he was white became. And that people treated him rudely. I feel that black society has been labeled and put down by previous generations. I feel that the new generation of people see no color, finally they look at people for who they are. There will always be lazy people of all color, I bet money John McCain is lazy, that is why he does not know how to use a computer. Would that not be a lazy mind? I am so tired of people focusing on color, focus on the brilliance of our next president and what a healthy mind and I have to say (trying to keep separation of church and state), soul this man has. Republicans cannot find any dirt on him, he is as good as a person to have come along and run for public office since I can remember. He is the "REAL DEAL". Wake up America and don't let color skew what is most important a president in office we can all be proud of here and around the world!
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- 2 votes
#61 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:43 PM EDT{"commentId":3036131,"authorDomain":"werblssed"}
Joe radamacher, are you serious you want someone with NO experience, is that how you would choose your surgeon too?
I want someone with experience especially in military matters, I want someone who has a proven record of reaching across party lines.
I want someone that I know is running for the good of my country.
I want someone I know is not standing with the Muslims til the end..(his words, not mine)
I want someone that knows what they are doing and has had the experience doing what he knows ...John McCain is that man.
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{"commentId":3068774,"authorDomain":"carloz"}
standing with the Muslims til the end..(his words, not mine)
Beverly, you keep saying "his words, not mine" but never say exactly where, other than a general reference to "his book." I assume you have the book and can give us precise details -- the name of the book, publication date, an exact quote, the page -- you know, that sort of thing.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3068977,"authorDomain":"roybatty"}
standing with the Muslims til the end..(his words, not mine)
Perhaps you should start with the entire paragraph, to give it, you know, context:
The actual quote from the book Audacity of Hope is from page 261 and is as follows:
"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
So you can't even remember the original quote to take it out of context? Classic.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3017988,"authorDomain":"bigdaddyinpdx"}
shocking.
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- 1 vote
#62 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:45 PM EDT{"commentId":3017999,"authorDomain":"Ches"}
Its not racial. It seems every time Obama loses ground or some one makes a negative comment...It's racial! I did a little research my self and asked approximately 100 white voters about the race issue. The question was: If it was Colin Powell running for president instead of Obama, would you vote for him? They "ALL" replied yes! Its not racial!
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#63 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:45 PM EDT{"commentId":3018151,"authorDomain":"vorheis-subscribe"}
More than a quarter of all Democrats expressed doubt that Obama can bring about the change they want, and they are likely to vote against him because of that.
Three in 10 of those Democrats who don't trust Obama's change-making credentials say they plan to vote for McCain.
Still, the effects of whites' racial views are apparent in the polling
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Perhaps what is more apparent is your stories' viewpoint and its obvious bias in want to make this election a racial one, instead of one on the issues.
I have no problem with a black - or a halfrican american such as obamo - if they represent my views and values .
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- 2 votes
#64 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:54 PM EDT{"commentId":3018154,"authorDomain":"jradmacher"}
Its not racial. It seems every time Obama loses ground or some one makes a negative comment...It's racial! I did a little research my self and asked approximately 100 white voters about the race issue. The question was: If it was Colin Powell running for president instead of Obama, would you vote for him? They "ALL" replied yes! Its not racial!
Polska, a poll that generates a reply in which all people give the same response isn't a poll it is a remark. I can't believe a poll in which one hundred percent of the people agree. It sounds like another fib that the McCain camp would tell. Why don't you tell us the truth?
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- 3 votes
#65 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:55 PM EDT{"commentId":3018331,"authorDomain":"jcoleman1911"}
As my father used to say "white folks will always be white folks." That is not a bad thing to me. I have never and will never expect anyone white to respect or appreciate anything that I do as a black man and I don't think that BO expects that either. The main thing I can do is live better than those who don't like or appreciate me, especially financially. It makes me very very very very proud that my wife and I are in the top 5% of all income earners in the United States and it says 2 things. 1 this is the best country in the world and 2 the cream always rises to the top. So as we continue to earn more money in our mid thirties and live a financially independent life that is not controlled by people who fundamentally think that I am a whiner, violent, and lazy that is the best revenge. I will see you at the Four Seasons in Maui for Christmas, but make sure you can pay your mortgage first.
This man has done all that is required of him and it is still not good enough. The criticism is amazing especially from people who do not have the intellectual capacity to question anything about him whatsoever.
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- 2 votes
#66 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:05 PM EDT{"commentId":3018438,"authorDomain":"vorheis-subscribe"}
Joe RadmacherPolska, yes I have seen a candidate with Obama's experience level make it. John F Kennedy would be the first one that comes to my mind. If we want someone that is going to bring change to our country do we really want someone with experience in this system? Obama has showed poise and self control during this election. I would much rather have a person that is cool, calm and collect in charge of our country than another person who believes that war is the best answer
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Joe, the public school you learned history from didnt do its job;
John Kennedy - world war II Vet and a PT boat commander ; US congressman , 1946-1952; US Senator, 1952-1960; ran for VP nomination , 1956 democratic convention ;
How does Kennedy's experience in 1960 compares with Obama;s again ?
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#67 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:11 PM EDT{"commentId":3018774,"authorDomain":"jradmacher"}
WestCoastGuy, I didn't go to a public school so they didn't let me down. While Kennedy did have more political experience his life was not near as diverse as Obama. When Richard Nixon ran against Kennedy he sited Kennedy's lack of experience, sound familiar. I have the up most respect for John Kennedy although he was born into his political career. Obama on the other hand has gotten to this point without the help of a father as did Kennedy. It is OK to disagree with me although the fact that you attacked my education shows more about your character than anything else you said.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":3021466,"authorDomain":"carloz"}
Look at my post above about Abraham Lincoln. Oh, I forgot to mention that Lincoln was only 4 years older than Obama when he was elected. I know no one mentioned age, but JFK and Bill Clinton were younger than Obama when they were elected.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3022479,"authorDomain":"wingod"}
Look at my post above about Abraham Lincoln. Oh, I forgot to mention that Lincoln was only 4 years older than Obama when he was elected. I know no one mentioned age, but JFK and Bill Clinton were younger than Obama when they were elected.
And lincoln led the U.S. into a war that claimed almost 3/4's of a million American soldier's lives.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3022610,"authorDomain":"carloz"}
I'm a Southerner and I don't think that many Southerners, much less many other Americans, would agree with your statement that Lincoln "led" us into war. Seven states seceded before Lincoln even took office. And the fighting was started by the South, when Confederate soldiers attacked US soldiers at Fort Sumter, South Carolina on April 12, 1861. Lincoln then asked for volunteers to join the an army, which was followed by the secession of four more states. Do you think he should have just let the South secede, or let the attack on the US military go by without a response, or let slavery in the USA continue? Lincoln didn't lead us into war, he led us to victory in a war that was started by others and in the process saved the United States of America and ended the evil of slavery in North America.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":3018531,"authorDomain":"sava27"}
reformers are republican ? ......alaska has the highest corruption in the country ..mrs palin refuses to let her staff testify after she said she would ...she charges taxpayers per diem rates for living at home and her husband seems like getting involved in govt business .
i know she can see russia from her house but it just doesnt do it for me .
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- 3 votes
#68 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:16 PM EDT{"commentId":3019086,"authorDomain":"chocker21"}
I love some of the comments. I can tell many folks haven't actually seen the results. The article was biased discussing dems and indies views. Gp to Yahoo and look at the graph.....
Examine White Pubs vs White Dems. On every category white pubs are more racist. They can say race doesn't play a factor in their decision but anybody taking psych 101 knows that attitudes and underlying belief systems affect decision-making. My mom is a pub, who is racist (she has said many racist things over the years) and yet she told me she can't support Obama (something about her gut feeling). She opposes McCain on most issues but she told me her decision wasn't about racism....huh just like many of you other pubs.
Since many most of the country doesn't even make over 100k a year....most of you continue to support a party that doesn't care about you. And don't talk to me about socialism. Most americans want social security (socialism). If we would have privatized it like the chimp wanted and McBain, it would be game over. Thank the lord people resisted. And this country is on the brink of disaster due to republican economic philosophy. And who is purporting socialistic stances to save the country---Bush. You folkls are all over the map lately but one thing is clear...ya'll goose step together like lemmings over a cliff.
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- 1 vote
#69 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:51 PM EDT{"commentId":3019095,"authorDomain":"felix19"}
i run a small business in savannah ga. if i use a vendor and he/she fails me - i give them a second chance [bush term 2] however if that vendor continues to fail me - then it is time to replace him/her [republican 2 terms - time for give the dems a shot at it. how much worse than the rep' can the dems mess it up?]
race or not - we are americans need to face the music. the house of cards is falling right before our eyes. are we too blind to see that the country has been bankrupted by the same man who has so bankrupted every business he has run?
i am a registered republican. i have been one way back before reagan before it was hip to be one. but i must tell you - i will not support my party this time around!
again race or not - time to get our heads out of our a$$e$ and change that which is obviously not working!
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- 4 votes
#70 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:51 PM EDT{"commentId":3019323,"authorDomain":"LIAMD"}
felix,
Well said, however, I believe BOTH parties have patently failed the American people. It's time for a legitimate third party which represents the majority of Americans. Not two parties which are so entrenched in: of the party, by the party and for the party politics. To try and blame one of the two parties for what is happening is (I'm sorry for the bluntness) STUPID!! The two parties are set up to divide and keep the country from uniting. The 3 best examples:
1. Abortion - Dems, kill all the unborn children you want but you can't kill an adult regardless of how heinous the crime. Reps. don't you dare kill an unborn child, once they commit a crime off with their heads.
2. Religion - Dems. outdated concept the state is the new religion. Reps. God is the best (I definitely side with the Reps on this one)
3. Gun Control - Dems. The 2nd amendment should be abolished, Reps. You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.
Yes, this is a huge generalization but it shows they want us divided not united, because most of the people I know are somewhere in the middle and both parties have been hijacked by the extreme wings.
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{"commentId":3019177,"authorDomain":"equalizr"}
You know, if Barack wins, the case could be made that it is because of racism that he won, as well.
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#71 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:57 PM EDT{"commentId":3019288,"authorDomain":"fisico"}
You know it's a shame that after all the mostly intelligent discussions on Newsvine about issues and defending one's points of views, that this election might be decided by some ignorant people that dont trust blacks! I knew we should have picked Hillary. After 200 years, the country is still not ready for a black president! Sad, but true!
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- 3 votes
#72 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:05 PM EDT{"commentId":3019643,"authorDomain":"tishamauro"}
I agree is it sad. But true, like you said. Hillary/Obama would have won hands down and given the racists 4-8 years to used to the idea of a black president.
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{"commentId":3019968,"authorDomain":"Nil"}
Racist people never get used to someone who doesn't look like them. No matter what Senator Obama does, a person who is racist still wouldn't like him. Racist people don't think in rational ways like normal people do. Their thoughts are ruled by irrational thinking. Intelligentl thought and critical thinking skills are not one of their strengths.
You can't neglect to take risks because of what a few bigots believe. Anything worth accomplishing has risks and this is a fact of life. If everyone took your point of view, nothing would ever get accomplished in America.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":3021524,"authorDomain":"carloz"}
FredC and not over it, the article did not say he would lose; it just pointed out something to be aware of as he and his campaign work to overcome the remnants of prejudice that still exist in our country. He can win! Obama-Biden 08!!
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3021836,"authorDomain":"tishamauro"}
I know it didn't say he will lose and I hope he doesn't. My point is that the democrats needed to make sure they had the best possible candidate this and every year. I don't believe they did. I don't think we should have rolled the dice. This country is in the midst of the most precarious circumstances in my lifetime and risking losing the white house this year especially was stupid.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3022057,"authorDomain":"carloz"}
This country is in the midst of the most precarious circumstances in my lifetime
That's why we need to work hard to make sure Obama wins! We all need to donate, volunteer, register voters, and/or help get out the vote on election day -- do as many of those things and others as possible. Can you imagine the hate and vitriol that some would have had hurled at Hillary Clinton? There'd be prejudice and scare tactics -- sexism, snipes about Bill Clinton, attacks on her as a "Washington insider", etc. There'd be people calling her names like "feminazi" and unfounded accusations of her secretly being this or that. Different words but the same treatment. But that hate and sleaze would have actually energized some supporters. I think that what's being hurled at Obama can also help to energize Democrats, Independents and Republicans who want change to work for Obama so that he can change Washington and the downhill slide our country's been on for the last 8 years. Obama-Biden 08!
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3022223,"authorDomain":"tishamauro"}
I don't have imagine the hate and vitriol that some would have hurled at Hillary. They already have. We've been through all that before. It's old news.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3019402,"authorDomain":"jsy224"}
No doubt there are those who will not vote for Obama because he is black. This is deep seeded race bias that is en-grained from childhood and environment. Unfortunately those who are in this group are ignorant and will remain so. Voters in a perfect society should vote for the best candidate on issues because it will affect their lives and future generations. I'm for Obma because of the issues, but if I don't have any animosity for anyone if they vote for McCain for the same reasons. It is the issues that are important in this historic election. Unfortunately many with weaker minds are like lemmings and are distracted by hearsay, and untruths and are ready to follow over the cliff. MAKE YOUR MINDS UP OVER THE ISSUES! RESEARCH AND DIG FOR THE TRUTH AND YOU WILL BE AN EDUCATED VOTER! I sorry but I think this is too much to ask of our citizens. but hope it will come to pass.
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- 4 votes
#73 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:14 PM EDT{"commentId":3019483,"authorDomain":"fisico"}
JeffY: you are right. It is too much to ask of many of our citizens. There are too many lemmings!
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":3020035,"authorDomain":"vorheis-subscribe"}
JeffY-410821
No doubt there are those who will not vote for Obama because he is black. This is deep seeded race bias that is en-grained from childhood and environment. Unfortunately those who are in this group are ignorant and will remain so.
Unfortunately many with weaker minds are like lemmings and are distracted by hearsay, and untruths and are ready to follow over the cliff. MAKE YOUR MINDS UP OVER THE ISSUES! RESEARCH AND DIG FOR THE TRUTH AND YOU WILL BE AN EDUCATED VOTER! I sorry but I think this is too much to ask of our citizens. but hope it will come to pass.
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FredC and JeffY - Gents, so what is the solution ?
The issue I have with Sen Obama is that he and his party don't represent and reflect my value system, and has nothing to do with his race .
That said, I believe a deeper problem our society has is not race, but in the fact that if someone wants to believe something, then they should be left alone to believe it . I believe , for example , if people were not told they have to be tolerant but instead just left alone, then I also believe that what homosexuals chose to do, or not do, would not be an issue as well.
In the long run , I believe many more people will vote against Obama because he is black, not because they are racist or bigots, but because they are tired of being told what they should believe, or not.
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- 1 vote
#74 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:03 PM EDT{"commentId":3020171,"authorDomain":"jradmacher"}
WestCoastGuy,
Just because people don't agree with you isn't a reflection of their education. I thank more people are tired of you trying to decide who is educated than they will ever be of Obama. It's pretty compelling when you start judging other people, who are you trying to impress besides yourself.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3020071,"authorDomain":"terranceyoung"}
You know as a black man I am really sick of the spin being put on this election. I am tired of hearing reporters report that because Obama is black 90 95 percent of black will vote for him. I am going to do something almost unheard of in this thread. Provide some information that actually has stats to back it up.
Now after reading that please don't say to me that blacks are voting for Obama because he is black. Unless you have some new statistics that will counter those I have posted.
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- 3 votes
#75 - Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:06 PM EDT{"commentId":3020183,"authorDomain":"terranceyoung"}
And here is one other article that will help kill the "because he is black" idea.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":3023896,"authorDomain":"beescats51"}
You know, as a white woman over 50, I'm tired of the spin put on this election also. I've been for Barack Obama even before he said he was running. This man has the Values that we need returned to our HomeLand. And this BS that is going around that some white voters won't choose Barack because he is Black is ludecrous and they should be ashamed of themselves. Who cares where he was born and what color his parents were, he's a human being and should be given the same respect and consideration that anybody else gets....
All I will say is God Bless America and GO Barack and Joe!
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3024467,"authorDomain":"werblssed"}
Terrance that is nothing, its put out by Marxist thought...not what I'd believe.
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{"commentId":3030054,"authorDomain":"terranceyoung"}
Beverly H,
Since you refuse to believe the 2 links I posted I doubt a 3rd will do any good but here goes anyway.
And closing your eyes and saying I refuse to believe actually doesn't work to well in the real world.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":3050086,"authorDomain":"kedwards1948"}
@terrance
Obama is black??! LOL
I really appreciate your perspective on this Terrance.
I fully agree with beesfromga comments above, that his values reflect what I want to see in America's leadership in the coming years. I think the stories of 90-95% is a red herring and in some ways race-baiting.
If I were black, I too would be offended by those who say I'm voting for him ONLY because he's black.
Obama has a vision that I believe is shared with a lot of Americans. He may have energized the Black Community, but to say someone is going to mark their ballot "because he's black" is ridiculous!
And just a heads up Terrance, I finally just clicked "ignore" on Beverly H. She is so stuck in her mind-set that no matter what "facts" are presented, she'll dismiss them out of hand, i.e.
Terrance that is nothing, its put out by Marxist thought...not what I'd believe
From her previous posts, it's obvious that she has bought into every lie and smear being circulated on Obama and continues to repeat them in her comments.
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- 1 vote
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