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Dump this! 7 things airlines should jettison

Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:50 AM EDT
only-on-msnbc-com, christopher-elliott
msnbc.com News — Christopher Elliott, msnbc.com - Only on msnbc.com

Planes nearly fly themselves these days. Why not remove the pilots to cut weight, columnist Christopher Elliott (half) jokingly writes.

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— Meals. Pillows. Blankets. And now, life vests.

Is there anything the airlines haven’t tried to remove from their planes? As a matter of fact, yes.

Airlines are true experts at taking. They started getting serious nearly three years ago, when American Airlines removed its galleys on some planes in order to cram in a few extra seats. Air Canada’s jettisoning of its life vests on its regional carrier, Jazz, in order to save fuel, is just the latest move in a concerted airline industry effort to strip aircraft of everything but the seats.

But they’re not done. Far from it.

Ditching in-flight entertainment systems, magazine racks, potable water — it’s all either being done or will be done.

Don’t believe me? Check out the section on fuel conservation in this presentation (PDF) from the Air Transport Association, the airline trade group. Really, they’ll stop at almost nothing to lighten their planes.

But maybe they’re looking in the wrong place. Here are seven things they should lose from their flights — but probably won’t.

Federal air marshals
Airlines must carry as many air marshals as the TSA tells them — for free. Yet the program is a failure, at least by some measures. A recent study of the Federal Air Marshal Service suggests that it spends $180 million per life saved. “As such, the air marshal program would seem to fail a cost-benefit analysis,” it concludes. Besides, pilots are now packing heat. Isn’t it time to think about grounding the marshals?

Duty-free carts
“They’re totally useless,” says Ed Kummel, an engineer from Sterling, Va. “If the airlines really want to conserve fuel, dump them.” Well, maybe not totally useless — they make airlines a tidy profit, according to one study. But in the sense that they weigh half a ton and are more of an inconvenience to passengers than an amenity, yes — ditch ’em.

In-flight magazines
No offense to my colleagues who work for these publications, but the heavy product they churn out has no place on an aircraft at a time like this. Some airlines are trying to put these magazines on a diet, but why not just get rid of them entirely? I know you’ll miss all those stories about Las Vegas, the unfunny humor columns and the ads for dating services. I certainly will. But think of all the fuel the airline will save.

Flight attendants
Federal rules require a minimum number of flight attendants for every plane — for example, an aircraft with up to 50 seats has to have one attendant, and between 51 and 101 seats, it must have two. On my last flight on a 137-seat plane I counted four flight attendants. Come on. How much money could an airline save by eliminating a crewmember? I mean, they’ve stopped serving food and now we have to pay for drinks. Why not install a vending machine at the back of the plane?

Bathrooms
Not all of them. But considering that on most flights I’ve been on lately, at least one of the restrooms was out of order, I have an idea: Why not just uninstall that nonworking loo? Passengers will wait in the same long line as before. They’ll never miss it. As a matter of fact, there are no rules that say an airline must fly with a certain number of restrooms. There’s no federally mandated passenger-to-toilet ratio, and some smaller aircraft aren’t even required to have a bathroom.

XL passengers
Most airlines look the other way when an oversize passengers boards (though not all — Southwest makes “customers of size” buy an extra seat). If the airlines don’t start charging by weight — which, though disturbing on some levels, is a logical next step — then why not send these big passengers packing? Now before you flame me for being insensitive, let me confess that I am one of these XL passengers. I’m taller than average and I have long arms that tend to sprawl. But airlines already force our carry-on luggage to fit into a template. Why not us, too?

Pilots
I’m only half kidding. But still, it’s worth noting that today’s planes practically fly themselves, or can be piloted remotely as this British test showed. Pilots take up extra space and weigh the plane down. Do we really need them onboard?

I’m not trying to be funny. At some point — probably soon — the airlines will have stripped their planes of so many amenities that it will be a stretch to call it flying, or jetting, or whatever the term du jour is. It will just be a prison sentence.

Where do the cuts end? They end when passengers say “enough” as they recently did when United tried to cut meal service on its international flights. The airline backed down, much to its credit.

It’s not up to the airlines to ask themselves, “How much can we take away and still call it an airline?” They’ve already answered that question, and the sky’s the limit.

No, it’s up to us to tell them.

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hosphat

Try jettisoning the CEO's who made these policies. The savings would be astronomical.

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Reply#1 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:29 AM EDT
Jay Keggerlord

The real reason we still have pilots in the seats up front? Passengers feel more comfortalbe if someone with a vested interest in landing the plane safely is at the controls.

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Reply#2 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:32 AM EDT
andhanni

While some of these make sense others do not. I agree that with most flights (anything less than 1 hour in the air) it makes no sense to provide a magazine to read. For that matter if you take the reading material off you not only make it cheaper, but also greener (think of the paper and trees affected). But other ideas like the pilots I think that is not a good one.

The Weight issue also impacts a different area and I am just waiting for a group to sue Southwest over that one.

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Reply#3 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
MozeeToby

I love the idea of getting rid of the pilots. Weight goes down and safety goes up. For all of you who wouldn't trust your life to a computer; guess what, autoland systems have a flawless track record, compared to a not so pretty record for flesh and blood pilots.

There are even certain weather conditions that the FAA won't let a pilot land in, but if the airport and airplane are equiped with the best systems, the FAA will let them land as long as the pilots don't touch the controls.

Currently, those systems are only in place at extremely important airports in areas with fequent poor weather (Alaska, Colorado, etc) but there's no reason that they couldn't be used everywhere.

    Reply#4 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:01 PM EDT
    Mike-545202

    British Airways 038...Capt. Peter Burkhill and crew
    United Airlines 232...Capt. Al Haynes and crew
    Aloha Airlines 243...Capt. Rob Schornsteimer and crew

    I could go on...for every highly publicized crash there are countless examples of pilots and cabin crews making the difference between a safe arrival and oblivion. Rarely is this considered newsworthy.

    No pilots,"weight goes down'? What, 500 pounds? Wow. Autoland systems "flawless"? See BA038. Try a few less bong hits next time Mozee, my kids and I will take the flesh and blood pilots anyday.

    "Close the pod bay doors Hal" "I can't do that Dave"...Oh, and Elliott, you're a paste eater.

      #4.1 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:16 PM EDT
      Mike-545202

      BA038...Capt. Peter Burkhill and crew
      United 232...Capt. Al Haynes and crew
      Aloha Airlines...Capt. Rob Schornsteimer and crew

      I could go on...for every well publicized crash there are countless examples of "flesh and blood" crews making the difference between a safe arrival and oblivion. These are rarely considered newsworthy.

      Get rid of the pilots and "weight goes down"? What, 500 pounds? Wow. Autoland flawless? See BA038, among others. Next time you post, do everyone a favor and take a few less bong hits.

      Next time my kids and I fly, we'll be sure to pick the plane with the pilots up front, and the full complement of cabin crew in the back.

      "Close the pod bay doors Hal". "I can't do that Dave".

      Oh, and Elliot-you're a paste eater.

        #4.2 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:35 PM EDT
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        Lynden Belle

        In a very polite way, with reference to jet fuel saved and therefore available at the end of the flight, (where you really need it), waiting room passengers should be directed to use the restrooms before boarding. This would save a remarkably useless weight the aircraft would therefore not have to carry to it's destination. A 'Go Now' promotion could save the airlines millions of dollars in the course of a year. Try it... weigh yourself before and after and then multiply that by, say, 100 million.

          Reply#5 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:14 PM EDT
          Doug-384925

          Isn't deregulation great!

            Reply#6 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:08 PM EDT
            sgtstakem

            Agreed with outing the CEO's but to be clear...This is exactly why we still have pilots!

              Reply#7 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:30 PM EDT
              akulashark

              The idea of removing pilots with current technology is unrealistic to say the least. The cited British study that showed that a plane can be flown without a pilot is misleading. A human pilot was still controlling the aircraft, just not at the conventional controls. An actual crew performed both the take-off and landing.

              Existing auto-land systems are very limited and can only be used at a few airports and in very limited weather. If the aircraft could perform the landing by itself, the extensive training and currency requirements required for the pilots would not be necessary.

              While the "not so pretty record" for human pilots may be the case in many parts of the world, the safety record here in the United States is excellent for air carriers. Pilots are the last line of defense in many cases, that is why you see so few accidents as a result of mechanical failure. Most accidents are the result of a chain of failures that accumulates in poor training and bad responses by the pilots.

              In the end technology has a long way to go and the nation's current air traffic control infrastructure would need to be entirely restructured, something that will probably not happen with current federal funding levels.

              Mr. Elliott's article is merely poorly informed hyperbole based on his own experiences, but I applaud him for at least thinking about possible solutions, which is more than most airline executives are doing.

                Reply#8 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:31 PM EDT
                snickersmom

                I think the suggestion that "XL customers" should be sent packing is insensitive, bigotted and hateful. Their money is the same color as everyone else's. How would people feel if it were suggested that people with screaming children be sent packing or people with children at all for that matter? Children and all their subsequent gear necessary for even a 45-minute flight take up a lot of room and inconvenience a lot of people.

                I think your suggestion that anyone of any size be booted off an airplane is disgraceful and you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Just because someone might be overweight or very overweight does not give us the right to discriminate against them.

                If the airlines weren't so greedy and didn't act as if they were doing the traveling public a favor by providing a service for which we dearly pay and get very little return on investment, then we wouldn't be in this mess!

                  Reply#9 - Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:36 AM EDT
                  Bayley

                  How bout tossing out the little blue carpets at the gate that the special people get to walk on (for a step and a half)?

                  Not only could they save money on cleaning, hiring the people to put them down just so, but they could cut them up into little pieces and sell them on e-bay for mouse pads.

                  Now we're talkin! Oh and if the special people feel sad that they don't have their special carpet to walk on - they could just tape off a square - still a savings right?

                  Thanks for another great one!
                  Bayley of the Bayley Blog

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                  Reply#10 - Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
                  Wendy King

                  On my June flight to Portland, Oregon, from New Orleans, LA,  I enjoyed the Continental flight attendants and the in-flight video with safety instructions. However, I'm not keen on in-flight movies where passengers buy the headsets for $1, and can take them with them afterwards. With no headset, you watch the in-flight movie with no sound. Not much fun. 

                  In-flight mags: I like them, especially Sky Mall, which advertises items most of us don't really need, and can't afford to buy. The in-flight mag articles are interesting, though. It makes more sense to bring your own book, magazine and/or newspaper on board the plane, and make sure you have it with you, when you leave, and take the free Sky Mall mag with you, as well. 

                  Re replacing flight attendants with vending machines: The flight attendants are more personable,smile, talk to the passengers,  and don't eat your dollar bills and coins, or flash a "Sorry, out of service/out of (name your favorite snack or soda)" just as you pull your money out.Vending machines have a call-for-service # stuck on their front door. That's not much good at 30,000 feet, when there's no one there able to unlock the machine, take your money, and hand you your snack or drink. There are some things airline technology can't (and shouldn't) replace. Flight attendants and pilots are first on my list. Pilots who welcome passengers aboard, remind us of the weather, and when we'll be arriving at our destination are tops on my list of what not to replace. 

                  Cutting meal service is pretty bad. Continental's meals were in little plastic dishes that the flight attendants retrieved, stacked, and removed. Even prepackaged, the meals were pretty good.  When you have to bring your own meals on board a flight, that's not a good sign. When it's Southwest Airlines (noted for its "peanuts" flights and cattle-car seating), that's one thing. When it's American,Delta,  United, or Continental, bare-bones (or no) customer service is the sign of a major airline in big trouble.

                    Reply#11 - Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:48 PM EDT
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