More anxiety on Wall St.: Stocks dive, oil soars

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Elation in the financial markets over the $700 billion bank bailout plan evaporated Monday and was replaced by all-too-familiar anxiety, pummeling stocks and sending oil prices to their biggest one-day gain. Worries that the rescue package would cost too much, drive up inflation, swell the already-bloated deficit and hurt the ailing economy also led global investors to flee the U.S. dollar.

The Dow Jones industrials lost 372 points, wiping out the gains the index made Friday after administration officials and congressional leaders promised swift action to get bad debt off the books of banks and end the financial crisis.

"Investors had a weekend to look at the news that was streaming out, and they are now finding fault in it," said Joseph Battipaglia, market strategist in the private client group at the investment firm Stifel Nicholaus.

Oil prices briefly spiked more than $25 a barrel before falling back to settle at $120.92, up $16.37, on the New York Mercantile Exchange. That shattered the previous record for a one-day jump in crude oil, $10.75.

Monday was also the last day for investors to trade the October oil futures contract, adding fuel to the rally. But the November contract also saw a sharp gain, up $6.62 to $109.37.

The government agency that regulates commodities markets said it was working with Nymex to "ensure that no one is taking advantage of the current stresses facing our financial marketplace for their own manipulative gain."

The Commodity Futures Trading Commission said in a statement it was "closely monitoring today's large movement in the price of crude oil."

Analysts said some of the gain could have come from large investors trying to cover short positions, or bets that prices would fall.

Four days after word of a massive government rescue plan began to hit the market, investors had little by way of details. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson introduced the plan Saturday in a document that ran less than three full pages.

By Monday, investors still knew little about how the Bush administration would pay for mopping up the bad debt, how the process would work, who would run it and what the Democratic-controlled Congress would ask for to approve the plan.

The Bush administration is already forecasting that the federal deficit will hit a record $482 billion next year. Analysts say the bailout costs mean a $1 trillion annual deficit is not out of the question.

"When you try to print $1 trillion, that will kill your currency, lifting oil prices, which then in turn will not help the stock market," said Gary Kaltbaum, who runs the money management firm Kaltbaum and Associates in Orlando, Fla. "It is a vicious cycle, and we are seeing that right now."

Lacking specifics, many investors — especially foreigners — sold U.S. dollars on worries that paying for the plan would increase the federal deficit and exacerbate inflation. Over the past year, overall inflation is at 5.4 percent.

The 15-nation euro rocketed past $1.48 in late afternoon trading Monday, up more than 3 cents from Friday in its largest single-day move against the dollar since the European currency was introduced in 1999. The British pound leaped to $1.8584 from $1.8365, and the dollar dropped to 105.40 Japanese yen from 107.01.

The price of gold, a traditional safe-haven investment in times of financial turmoil, rose $40.30 to settle at $909 an ounce.

The Dow finished at 11,015.69, down 372.75 points, more than 3 percent. The sharp drop was reminiscent of last week's wild trading, which included two days of 400-plus-point drops for the Dow and two days of 300-plus-point increases.

Credit markets, the lifeblood of the economy, loosened a bit. They had seized up last week when Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. filed for bankruptcy protection and the government rescued giant insurer American International Group Inc. with an $85 billion, two-year loan.

Late Sunday, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, the country's last two major independent investment banks, were granted government permission to change their status to bank holding companies and open commercial banking subsidiaries.

As Wall Street sold off, Washington was tinkering with the plan, trying to find a compromise that Congress and the Bush administration could present to American taxpayers who would be footing the bill.

"The whole world is watching," President Bush said, prodding Congress to quickly pass the plan.

By the time markets closed Monday, the Bush administration and leading lawmakers had agreed to tack mortgage help for homeowners and strong congressional oversight on to the legislation, said Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.

Even assuming it passes, the bailout might not be a quick fix for the economy or financial markets.

According to research by economists at Merrill Lynch, after the Resolution Trust Corp. was established in 1989 to stop the savings and loan crisis, it took a year for the stock market to hit bottom, two years for the economy and three years for the housing market.

After Japan put a bailout plan in place, its stock market took another five years to recuperate, and by some measures, its economy still hasn't had a sustainable recovery, according to Merrill's chief North American economist, David Rosenberg.

"This is a complicated process that will encumber the economy for many years," Battipaglia said.

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Associated Press Business Writers Rachel Beck, Tim Paradis, Madlen Read and Stevenson Jacobs in New York contributed to this report.

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{"commentId":3048303,"authorDomain":"darthmaulrob"}

I guess they might as well make their money back some how... I notice nothing has ever been done to try to control the oil market.. Funny huh?

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Reply#1 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:30 PM EDT
{"commentId":3048512,"authorDomain":"techion"}

Do you ever wonder if Al-Qaeda might be behind the price manipulation and banking crisis plaguing America? We've put a ton of resources into preventing a "terrorist" attack but it seems our economic infrastructure is vulnerable. Maybe they can do with oil and credit what they couldn't do with jets.

Techion

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Reply#2 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:45 PM EDT
{"commentId":3049396,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

bin ladins own stated goal in his declaration of war with america was to bankrupt us,,
but bush is winning the war :P

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#2.1 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3048645,"authorDomain":"travelbizcash"}

Bail out home owners? I don't think so, I will not bail out home owners who bought to much house who now can't afford it, to bad so sad, live within your means!

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Reply#4 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:54 PM EDT
{"commentId":3048726,"authorDomain":"darthmaulrob"}

Yes this is true..but the banks are the ones that bought the 100K houses.. that most would have been able to afford, inflated them to 250K houses so the same people who could have afforded the 100K houses now are forced to pay the 250k for the same house.. its all greed. But I didn't buy because I refuse to pay that much for a 1600 sq ft house.. not enough house for the money..Yes they were stupid but they weren't stupid alone!

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#4.1 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:00 PM EDT
{"commentId":3049411,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

more than that.. they were marketed too..and the no proof loans used to be and should of have been.. criminal

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#4.2 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:58 PM EDT
{"commentId":3049763,"authorDomain":"goldnmypoc2"}

You people that have no understanding about what is happening. Let me give you a clue. This is no longer about people that bought homes they couldn't afford, or people that had ARMs. At this point it's about a sour economy that won't allow people to work that have great credit, have been responsible and have nice 5.5% fixed mortgages. This is about jobs that are not there. Jobs are needed for people to pay mortgages. To heck with a bail out of the big people that caused the crisis, they'd better work on the average american citizen who is caought up in this sour economy. Think twice before you talk, it could be you with the same problem

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#4.3 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
{"commentId":3049907,"authorDomain":"goldnmypoc2"}

There were a number of things that happened, borrowers who reached too far, mortgage brokers who pocketed big commissions on loans they knew were bad and Wall Street banks that packaged those bad loans, applied a little alchemy and sold them to investors, who didn't bother to check carefully what they were buying and relied on rating agencies who gave their unfounded blessing on the investments

Domino effect turns the economy sour, jobs start to be lost and it starts to get even deeper. Now you have your average american that didn't participate in the above but loses their job and they can't pay their own mortgage. And it isn't over.

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#4.4 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3048761,"authorDomain":"sgreenway"}

So.. either way.. we're pretty much @!$%#ed... awesome...

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Reply#5 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:02 PM EDT
{"commentId":3048856,"authorDomain":"darthmaulrob"}

Yeah pretty much.. unfortunately.

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#5.1 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
{"commentId":3049041,"authorDomain":"sgreenway"}

Figures... I finally graduate from college and get a decent job, and the economy collapses. Well, I guess at least I can buy a few stocks dirt cheap and hope that in 25 years one of them turns out to be the next Microsoft, Walmart, or McDonalds...
Or maybe I should just cut my losses and start investing in Euro's..

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#5.2 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:25 PM EDT
{"commentId":3049119,"authorDomain":"darthmaulrob"}

Yeah theres 2 good ideas..

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#5.3 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3048893,"authorDomain":"seward"}

I thought that headline about the stocks rallying was rather premature. This is far from over.

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Reply#6 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:12 PM EDT
{"commentId":3049139,"authorDomain":"maxhousewell"}

When Capitalism goes bad. Greed, and self serving 1% of the population putting the rest of the country in debt, now they want taxpayers to bail them out. Less than 8 years of GOP Administration. The Bush trickle down economic theory. My theory is the best part of the Bush family trickled down their mothers leg. Sorry, but listening to Republicans for 8 years and losing just about everything I've worked my life for go down the tubes makes it a little bitter. CEO's walk away without any remorse for what they've done with pockets full of money, and the Oil Company's keep raking it in.

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Reply#7 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:32 PM EDT
{"commentId":3049153,"authorDomain":"MGDasef"}

I'm okay with six more weeks of showing the US exactly how the Republicans handle the financial crisis.

Dang! I forgot. They'll blame it on the Democrats. See, eight years of horrible governance from the Administrative branch (you know, the one who thinks it'd be great if he's a dictator) and the US populace will think, "Duh, I guess we need to put them into the driver's seat again."

If McCain is elected, that will put a stamp and seal on the statement that the US population is at least half-filled with congenital idiots.

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Reply#8 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:33 PM EDT
{"commentId":3049667,"authorDomain":"WarmongerXtreme"}
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{"commentId":3049186,"authorDomain":"jms2qc"}

"When you try to print $1 trillion, that will kill your currency, lifting oil prices, which then in turn will not help the stock market," said Gary Kaltbaum, who runs the money management firm Kaltbaum and Associates in Orlando, Fla. "It is a vicious cycle, and we are seeing that right now."

This is only the beginning. If the financial powers are panicky now, just wait until the dollar means nothing. It really is going to begin snowballing. Right now the middle class takes the hit, but it will eventually begin to affect all consumers.

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Reply#9 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
{"commentId":3049824,"authorDomain":"Rixar13"}

Printing more dollars will fuel spiraling inflation and as noted above, "lifting oil prices". I knew things were going to get much worse and intuition tells me this will be a rough ride for some time to come.

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Reply#10 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:34 PM EDT
{"commentId":3050120,"authorDomain":"maureen-spiegleman"}

I work in the mortgage industry and have some idea of what is involved in modifying a note in order to prevent a forclosure. If not one more loan went delinquent as of this month, it would still take at least a year to clear the pipeline. Even if you could prevent any additional defaults, what do you offer the people who have already lost their homes? How do you differentiate between a family man who got a loan, that based on current income, job stability and credit worthiness was a thoughtful, prudent action to buy a modest home and some yahoo who had five jobs the past two years, lousy credit and gets a sub prime no down, no doc, neg am loan to get his hands on a badly built over priced McMansion that he never intended to live in but bought because a good buddy assured him he would make a killing on it in six months? As you try to make a Solomon like decision between these two borrowers, keep track of your time and then multiple the time it took by a million. It actually takes about 20 hours to resolve every applicant.

An even bigger concern is what do our leaders tell those of us who are making payments on greatly devalued properties in neighborhoods that are turning into slums because of the abandoned properties surrounding us? What the hell is in it for us? Maybe we have a patriotic duty to make payments like it's our patriotic duty to pay taxes? The government is broke. Additional tax breaks are not going to improve the situation. You would not believe the number of people who are taking cash advances to make mortgage payments! Sounds crazy huh? Why would any one use borrowed money to pay bills? I rest my case.

When I look back at what I have just written I realize that I am scared. I don't know how we can borrow our way out of this. I don't know if we deserve to be rescued. I do know that under no circumstance will I allow a Rebublican to officiate at our demise. This crisis may bring a Democratic President and two totally Democratic dominated Houses. When we do get our financial house back in order it will look vastly different from what we have now.

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Reply#11 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:01 PM EDT
{"commentId":3050347,"authorDomain":"indebted"}

Elation was replaced by anxiety... when specialists began dumping billions of shares of stock that changed hands... after ten of millions of September call options finished unexpectedly in the money last week. Congratulations! Where do want ten thousand shares you just acquired from Harry at five bucks apiece? Can't pay for them? No problem! We'll take them off your hands right now and simply sell them next week. We have a few days to do so you know. Here's your profit on the purchase and sale, minus our commission. Harry can buy the shares back next week assuming he feels like it.

Ironically there might have been an even greater effect in the opposite direction, starting today, if even greater numbers of put options finished in the money (or so it seemed at a glance last on Friday, at least in the banking sector). Someone would today have been buying shares "sold" to those who wrote such options, thereby closing out the short positions typically used to cover them. In as much as the options expired worthless, the short positions presumably remained open. And who would want to close them today?

Thus the SEC shot the administration in the foot. Offhand why should I trust a plan when it's own proponents seem to know so little about their own industry?

Obama-Biden '08

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Reply#12 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
{"commentId":3053066,"authorDomain":"nskrenes"}

I have a laugh when i read some of these comments,this is the land of plenty why worry most all of us are in the same boat.The only one who got over on us are now telling us Give ME Money And ABSOLUTE POWER will work out the details later.And you cant do nothing about it just sit here and watch it. I wonder if they might come busting my door down cause iv said something!I feel like they have destroyed the AMERICAN DREAM and any hope of recovery.'Home Owners got screwed Bill'were about to pass.I hope it turns into vote them out Bill !!!

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Reply#13 - Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:53 AM EDT
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