Dems, some in GOP question McCain's intervention

Absolutely,
He needs to act like he can throw his muscle around and all will fall into place.

Wow...

Elise - Are you off your meds? You're sounding a bit "manic".

Relax, sweetie! take your medication and go lay down.

I believe he probably provided more harm than good.
Good night all.

Paul I, I really don't have any answers to your questions, But I do have an opinion.

With all the Name calling and Bickering that Mr. J and Mr. O have been doing towards each other, I have to PAT Mr. J on the back because he recognized that this bail out plan was a TOP-PRIORITY and had told Mr. O to go F**K himself. It makes no difference in my book if Mr. J had brought anything to the table or not, his view regarding the Nation's Financial problems had more priority then the continued bickering between him and Mr. O.

I have to be fair and Just because as much as I hate Politics, I am just as much a Human being like they are.

This is why the debate is important.
Not bickering in opposing corners
Standing before the people
Debating
Talking "Straight" too us in front of everyone. No commentators (well no doubt later)

Okay Yankee, maybe you can help me. I'm trying to figure out what the upside is, but so far no supporters have even tried to explain it. So what, exactly, does the bailout process gain from John McCain suspending his ads and bringing his campaign to a halt? Does he have to be on the trail to run them? Why can't Sarah Palin hold down the campaign for a few days? I mean, she's obviously ready to be President if need be, right? Why did John McCain have to take such a drastic and public step, when he could've just gone to Washington without the trumpets, like Barack Obama did? What's the upside here?

Why can't Sarah Palin hold down the campaign for a few days? I mean, she's obviously ready to be President if need be, right?

Shame on you Steve! LOL

It takes a lot to stay focused in a campaign and it does use a huge amount of energy. McCain is wise to take formal time off to do the job he has been committed to doing in a time of real emergency. It is foolish to downplay this crisis for political points. Putting off a debate for a few days in this situation is sensible. being in Washington is essential. Waiting for a phone call if one is needed is a leadership deal-breaker and outright admission of real impotency by Obama. Right now action speaks louder than words. McCain is all action and Obama is (as usual) nothing but words.

Exactly Dragon, that is a good reason Obama shouldn't have been afraid of McCain when McCain ask him to debate 10 times in town hall venues...Which Obama refused to do.
So now that the country is on the brink of disaster McCain felt it the right thing to do for the situation that we face today, but Mr. Obama could care less if we sink or swim... as long as he gets HIS debate.

SteveHouse, I can't really give you an Honest answer as to why Mr.J did what he did. Surely, you must understand that am in no way knowledgeable when it comes to Politics and frankly, that goes for Religion also.

I may give you or anyone else the impression that am Stupid when it comes to this election BUT I assure you that am just as much as an American as you are. I do not need a College education nor be a Rocket Scientist to feel Threatened by those in powers that my nation is in trouble.

I would like to state for the record here that it is " We, The People ", who are at fault for letting this happen. You can FLAME me for whatever it's worth but you can't shake the truth from your shoulders, just like I can not.

Fine. Let him delay the debate. It's just coincidence that he decided to wait until the crisis was over a week old to put on his Superman cape and do something about it. It's just coincidence that he waited until the day Obama called him to ask about making a joint stand that he decided to but on his Superman cape and do something about it. Everyone is still missing the point: John McCain does not have to be actively campaigning for his campaign ads to run and Sarah Palin to campaign in his place. What is the benefit of that part?

Waiting for a phone call if one is needed is a leadership deal-breaker and outright admission of real impotency by Obama. Right now action speaks louder than words. McCain is all action and Obama is (as usual) nothing but words.

Oh, did you miss the news? Obama was at exactly the same White House meeting McCain was.

SteveHouse, I did not say anything about taking sides with any of these A$$HOLES !

I simply stated that I had to give Mr.J a pat on the back for what I felt as a decision based on priorities. I lost interest way back when these 2 plus that idiot in office who claims to be our PRESIDENT, start bickering and acting like the 3 STOOGES !

It surprises me that almost everyone on this board KNOWS so much about what the hell is going on, THAT they failed to STAND UP AND BE COUNTED !!!!!

You can say on this board that you never voted for GWB as well as other things and make you look good BUT, It is YOU and I and everyone else here that is to be BLAMED !

I was responding to more than just you, Common, but thanks for responding anyway.

I don't think it's quite fair to place all the blame on any one place. Obviously people got into loans and mortgages beyond their means and obviously the FIRE sector greedily ate it up, and of course we've heard about how TPTB at the time encouraged it all to take place. This blame game is not worth fighting and solves jack.

I agree with your views here SteveHouse.

Even though this topic and my post are considered Off Topic, they do have 1 thing in common.

Simply stated, The problem lies in the past that we have given up our rights as Individuals and let others abuse those's rights for whatever reason other then to maintain our Nation. Some where in the past, We, The People had become lazy and fat with greed that we had forgot what our Founding Fathers had written in " The Constitution of the United States ".

I been harping to everyone on this board that it is We, The People who let our Nation become what it is today, filled with Dishonest Americans who are more intent to line there pockets with hard earned greenbacks from others. When these people have become Happy with the greenbacks that YOU and I have earned at the end of the day, These same people are the ones who could care less about the Health of our Nation!

There is so much BICKERING in our lives that our focus is on the HATRED of our fellow American who simply disagrees with our views. I did not come forth on this board to incite people Who is Better then the Next, I wanted to voice my thoughts and feelings regarding WHO is at fault. Now, all of YOUS must be thinking that if this is the TRUTH, then your saying to yourselves, Whats the answer then to our problems ?

I DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION ! Because am just an Individual but I assure YOU that the answer lies within the People of this Great Nation who are willing to STAND UP AND BE COUNTED !

I believe one of the reasons they are trying to ram this thru is so Barney Frank can continue to duck his responsibility in this mess

So Bush said to Paulson, go to congress and ask them for $700 billion dollars, (Bush's plan, his agenda). Tell them, Bush said, to give you the money without oversight, no congress or courts. Because if we don't get the money, FEAR, FEAR, FEAR, the economy will collapse.

And you think Frank is trying to "ram it through to duck his responsibility"?? Maybe he called W a couple of weeks ago and set the whole thing up?

Maybe Frank and W put the whole thing together and plan on splitting the money! Ha ha ha ha.

Obama? he chose as one of his top economic advisors one of their CEOs. And he wants us to elect him based on his ability to use good "judgement". yeah, right.

Gosh Carol, you might want to check this out before you embarrass yourself more than you already have. In March 2007, Obama Called on Paulson, Bernanke to Address Economic Crisis* Yes, he wants us to elect him based on his ability to use good judgement.

I'm not going to beat up on the woman, I almost feel sorry for Palin as the veneer wears off but do you think it was "good judgement" to put Palin in this position? Or was it just a cynical political move to try and win Hillary voters?

She's feisty, but she's in way over her head. We're talking international HARDBALL politics here. We're not talking about who gets the contract to build a road or a bridge. I was really embarrassed for America as she was paraded around the UN the other day.

*thanks arcanbliss!

For THREE years McCain has been speaking out about the need for firmer oversight and greater control over Freddie mac and fannie mae with open accountability.

He gave a speech 3 years ago, in support of S. 190 [109th]: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005. He was listed as co-sponsor of this bill. Source He has chosen not to support the same bill that Chuck Hagel re-introduced in 2007. S. 1100: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2007. Source

Obama? he chose as one of his top economic advisors one of their CEOs

A false statement: "The McCain campaign is clearly exaggerating wildly in attempting to depict Franklin Raines as a close adviser to Obama on 'housing and mortgage policy.' Factcheck.org Huslin wrote that Raines had "taken calls from Barack Obama's presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters." But does that make him an adviser? Dobbs says that when he questioned Huslin about the quote, she explained that during a photo shoot for the article, she inquired about Raines' role with the campaign. Huslin told Dobbs, "He said that he had gotten a couple of calls from the Obama campaign. I asked him about what, and he said 'oh, general housing, economy issues.' ('Not mortgage/foreclosure meltdown or Fannie-specific,' I asked, and he said 'no.')" Of course, the repub mantra is "tell a lie 5 times and it will become truth."

Of course, the repub mantra is "tell a lie 5 times and it will become truth."

And if it doesn't, tell it 5 times louder.

C- noone has to make Obama look bad he can do that on his own

Um, what? I'm sensing some cognitive dissonance here.

You cannot help small men by tearing down big men. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income. You cannot further brotherhood of men by inciting class hatred.

Okay, not a Robin Hood fan I see, but I can respect that.

You cannot establish security on borrowed money.

Hang on, aren't the Republicans the party who've been deficit spending out the wazoo?

You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.

Like, bailing them out with $700b?

All you ostentatious Dems should seriously move to Europe if you are seeking a socialistic party.

Holy @!$%#, Bush is a Democrat! Who knew?

@caleb

Enron and a few MAJOR other companies that blew up under Clintons admin???

Seriously dude, you've got to check your facts. Enron went bankrupt in 2001, in 2002, WorldCom, Tyco and Global Crossing filed for bankruptcy. (Under Bush's watch)

One thing I've learned here on the Vine though, and it's been very helpful, is to simply ignore the irrational. You and elise have been added to the list, along with BevH. You're all quite a group I have to admit, and it sounds like you should probably all get along pretty well.

I just don't have time to read your ridiculous posts. It's funny that you would assume that Obama got into Harvard Law School because of a "special diversity" requirement, (your bigotry is showing). But I don't have to assume that the grades he earned at Harvard were much higher than the grades you earned at Harvard.

So go have fun with your little friends, making up stories and twisting peoples names into funny sounds, Obamamama is just so clever, and leave the real commentary to the grown ups. Bye!

KenPac - Bush took office in 2000. Companies the size of the ones mentioned don't "go broke" in 12 months. It takes more time than that. So yes, they basically collapsed under Clinton's watch and policies. Bush was just unfortunate to inherit them while they were still in their death throws.

As for the tech bubble: There were actually two bubbles 1) the tech bubble, and 2) the .com bubble. The tech bubble started to burst in 1997 as a result of NAFTA agreements that related to the tech industry. The .com bubble (because the concepts it was based on are called illusionary economics, again, under the Clinton watch) started to bust in 1998-1999.

LOL!!! Sleestak, that was fabulous!

lol, yeah cause his wife is treated like muslim treat women allowing her to go out and campaign. He is christian and not muslim. Thrid, who says Hillary wants it, she may want supreme court over VP. the clintons aren't VP type of people.

elise, Obama's not selecting Hillary as Vice President and the Muslim faith you're so content to project on him so you can hate him even more is not on topic here. Please stop spamming up the thread.

I see no shame in it, but perhaps he has a touch of arthritis or something. Most people are surprised to learn FDR was confined to a wheelchair (except for carefully staged events).

Actually if I was feeling uncharitable I'd suggest McCain's handlers told him to curl his fingers, in order to conceal liver spots, whenever photographers are around. I guess it must be a ladies' man thing.

I noticed it too, he probably grinds his teeth a lot has so much anger, he is a patriot and like most he suffered physiologically for it.

Actually it was CBS News. My apologies.

No, Wall Street has reformed. They no longer want a free market, as the motto has now come home:
"Past performance is no guarantee of future returns"...or some such.

Free market means you make profits and sometimes absorb losses. Let Wall Street absorb, Lehman sold their assets off in three days, Morgan sold 20% of itself to Bank of Japan, Merrill is now Bank of America, and Bear is JP Morgan Chase. I hear Goldman will join with a commercial bank????

There is no shortage of capital out there willing to step in, my family could really use that extra 10K, I don't want to bail out CDOs, MBSs, credit default swaps, etc, etc, etc, let Warren Buffet use the opportunity to bring value to investors in Berkshire Hathaway, and maybe do a little philanthopy on the side.

No Money. No Bailout. No. Ron Paul would say no, and I do too.
Let the markets work it out. It's freedom.

Dan---You really need someone to help you think things out--1st, if you think only one man
should get credit for something going well--and forget that there are over 535 other men in
Congress, who have Legislation-powers to make laws & funding Bills--who deserve credit
for passing "Good Bills", which went well--it's discrimination to give just the President, all of
the "Credit"! When things turn out "Badly", don't point your 'finger' at the President & say,
"Blame 'HIM', He's the one that DID IT!!"--and again, you haven't included the Members of
Congress to share the BLAME-(I'm saying) Both Political Parties, Are included in Congress!
When you're doing your 'finger pointing'--remember 3 fingers are pointing back to you...!
You should "Write" your Congressmen & be sure"They" understand your "legal" complaint!
Did you do this? If not, you also, are partiallly--To Blame!! It doesn't apply to just "One"
person--but "Many"! I do not place total "Blame" on a prior-President, nor present one in
Office...because of the following "Researched" observations--!

During the President Clinton Administration--The truth happens to hurt, but it does involve
an "agenda" where there was a "Push it thru Drive" at that time. A "Bill" was proposed in
Congress--that more "Renters in America"should be able to 'Buy their Own Home'! So 'the
Bill' went thru Congress, enforcing that Loan Institutions "Had to Find a Way" to make loans
availuable to 'all persons' that applied--without a 'Hint of Discrimination'. In the Billl was a
penalty-clause against any Company that did not comply... So the Loans were made, "No
Down Payments, no serious Ability to Pay audits, No Credit Histories etc. Because of the
increasing Sales of Homes, Prices were Over-valued by liberal Appraisers & all homes went
up & UP!! The houses were then over-valued as much as 25%. Banks & Mortgage Co's then sold these Loans to "Fannie-May"&"Freddie-Mac". Houses normally valued at $100,000
were now $125,000. Now, many speculators went into the market. (Make the 'big money'
while you can--you can become a 'Millionaire' in six-years at this rate!!)This was over-done
by 'Late-nite' TV commercials-- And 'They' drove the housing market up another 25%. The
$100,000 house was now valued at $150,000. And then came the housing market "Slump"-
too many houses, besides the one's being 'Fore-closed' because he lost his job, or drugs.
And now, you've the "Big Problem"!! 1 Million homes being fore-closed, where the Federal
Govt. only guaranteed 80% of the Loan-- You got a $140,000 Loan, and can't sell the house
now, for only $105,000!! What happens NOW--let's guess? Can you see the problem getting
bigger & bigger? Can you see how this Govt. Law trying to improve "everybodys' welfare" comes out--especially where you "FORCE" all 'Lending-Institutions' to forget common-sense
"Business-Principles"?? Does it really matter--who voted on this Bill, Both Parties 'passed it'
in Congress, and President Clinton signed it--not President Bush! How is it, "His Fault"?! It's
your fault--when you don't see the Facts!! So suddenly, Uh, 'We get this Financial Company
"Melt-Down", but it's gradual, it's not all-of-a-sudden!! Do you-all understand it, Now?! Am
I Wrong on What Happened?! Let's hear your truthful views--without the 'name-calling'...
Before I quit on this, the Democratic and the Republican Parties in Congress are "both"
equally to blame for passing tthe Bill, and President Clinton did SIGN it, but he's not solely
to blame either! Both Parties bear "Equal-Guilt"--! In 2000, as I understand, President Bush did request Congress to 'propose' a Bill, which would place some restraints & place
some 'regulations' on these loans. Mostly, he was ignored, or the proposals were tabled &
defeated at the 'committee-level'. In 2005, McCain did support a Bill, which proposed some
"Loan Regulations", but it also was "Tabled & Killed" in committee... Understand, Presidents
DO NOT LEGISLATE--that JOB BELONGS TO CONGRESS!! And it take the Majority of Congress to pass a BILL to the President!! Am I Being Fair?!

Some of your points are well taken Vet, but I offer 4 words of rebuttal: Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act

Giving a trillion to wall street will stabilize nothing.

McCain is doing nothing but tantruming like a two year old because he's delusional and sees it as a free photo op.

The republicans may not roll over. They have to face voters this fall, most of whom, according to every poll I've seen, are strongly AGAINST any form of bailout. The media may chant NECESSARY over and over till their tongues dry out, but it looks like that last 10K hit to every family in the country was enough to open the curtain and reveal the little man frantically working the levers.

NO BAILOUT

It is the one useful service that McCain may ever have done for the country, as napalming little children doesn't count for a whole lot to me.

Funniest post all year.

The only viable solution to this financial crisis is to keep the government from intervening any further. The Federal Reserve has already loaned hundreds of billions of dollars through its numerous lending facilities, and the Congress has passed legislation authorizing further hundreds of billions of dollars to bail out Fannie and Freddie, yet each successive crisis event seems to be advertised as larger and more severe than the previous one. It is time that this Congress put its foot down, reject the administration's proposal, and allow the bust to work itself out so that our economic hangover is not as severe as it might otherwise be. Ron Paul

Tbone - You're very correct in stating this "needs to work itself out". Government intervention is the one of the main contributors to what has caused this problem. By government, I mean Republicans AND Democrats. BOTH are guilty as h@##.

You state a very valid fact that hundereds of billions have been injected into the economy by means of loans and a handful of investors (Warren Buffet, anybody). The economy is showing no signs of recovery.

Although I support McCain, I applaud you for sticking by Ron Paul. His concepts, I believe, represent the true intentions of our country's founding fathers. Unfortunately, in our two party system he stands no chance of being elected. Especially in this year's election.

Doesn't mean we can't vote for him.

You got that right dude, I'm bringing my pencil with me to the voting booth. Oh, wait, they already have a pencil for me. All I gotta do is write Paul in.

I still think I am going to write in Pamela Drew, maybe Celestina as VP.

It's true my grandmother and my Uncle Terry are both democrats that have donated to Obama's campaign and they both received the absentee ballot thing. My grandma almost sent it back until my gpa told her what it might do.

Do you have any sources on this? It´s not that I don´t believe you, but now it is strictly hearsay.
Find a source and seed it, would be my advice.

I can't speak to the veracity of these web sites but I did find some links to this story:

OpEdNews Reports from around the country advise that John McCain's campaign has sent confusing or incorrect absentee ballot request forms to voters in ten states at least. Affected so far are Florida, Iowa, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon (reported by blogger, not confirmed) Minnesota, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin so far. In each state, the mailers have a different error, in any of these cases, the voter could be disenfranchised by the error.

Michigan Messenger: This website shows the different tacts taken in each state.

There are a lot more results by Googling "mccain absentee ballots"

I just seeded it on Newsvine.
McCain's Absentee Ballot Mailer Fiaso Spreads - Could Disqualify Some Voters

And then there's this GOP direct-mail piece sent to Democrats. The Republican machine is hard at work undermining confidence in one of our most important constitutional rights.

Another fine example of doing "whatever it takes to win" regardless of the legality on behalf of the GOP.

Sickening.

As far as my common sense can tell, the GOP has no ethics in elections, therefore, no ethics, period. If we can't place any trust in them to campaign truthfully and ethically, how can we expect them to govern the same? We can't.

The same might be said for the Democrats, but it wasn't the Democratic Party sending out the direct-mail pieces to registered Republicans. There is a difference.

Any presidential candidate that does not favor abolishing the IRS does not deserve to be president. Any presidential candidate that supports the criminal payola of the "rescue" does not deserve to be president. The only thing that bothers me about Obama is that he claims to be a constitutional scholar yet he seems to favor big government. The irony makes my head hurt.

TBone, did it ever occur to you that he actually does know more about the constitution than you do?

"Big Goverment" is just another code word used by the right while they INCREASE the size of government themselves.

Lord I hope so. It just doesn't show.